#bakudeku discourse

[theweeklydiscourse]

God forbid you ever criticize the lack of consequences Bakugou experiences in MHA, or suddenly you’ll find dozens of Bakugou stans pouring into your mentions to make a speech about how cruel you are for forcing him to eat cement. They’ll act as though “consequences” inherently involves throwing him into the dungeon or putting him in detention for 100 years and then moan about how him facing consequences would only perpetuate a cycle of abuse/discrimination.

Listen, it’s not really that much of a consequence if the “consequence” in question isn’t directly connected to his current or past bad behaviour. “Oh but his scars!” “When he died that one time!” “His guilt for getting kidnapped” None of those are related to his bullying, and in my opinion, that makes them insufficient as consequences in an arc about changing for the better.

The consequences I would actually like to see could be as simple as: Izuku feels sad/mad because of what he went through, or certain characters reflect on how Bakugou’s past impacts their perception of him. More introspection on the victim’s end is needed, Bakugou doesn’t necessarily need to be pilloried for the arc to be satisfying.

[arottenlust]

‘I can write xyz character however I want bc they’re fictional!’

yeah ofc! people are still allowed to complain. to critique perceived mischaracterizations. should they be rude? No. but if you yourself are admitting that you are changing a character (bc it’s ur right and they’re not real yadda yadda yadda) then why are you mad that people are pointing it out ? If it is not rude, if it isn’t a direct attack, if it’s a simple observation, then what is the issue? idk

Another thought, one that idrk how to communicate so bear with me, is I feel that a lot of people are extremely resistant to any form of conflict or critique, basically anything that isn’t support or silence. and it’s a little off putting to me, like how is anyone meant to improve without input from others? furthermore, a critique of your work is not an attack on you, but more an observation. so why is it so wrong to share? are creative spaces not a place for discussion?

but I also do think u have a right to reject advice wether its constructive or not. if u do not want it then it shouldn’t be forced on u. a hobby can be a hobby without the need to get better or improve, like if it’s smth u do for the joy of it then thats that.

both of these sentiments ring true to me.

so idk how to even explain what I feel. idek what I feel tbh

bleh

[eternalera]

i hate when people go "why cant people just be friends :((( why cant we have strong platonic bonds anymore?" to ships

and do you wanna know the reason? like do you really wanna know the reason. okay well here we go ig-

(click read more for an actual analysis of why this doesnt happen)

no one writes strong platonic bonds well anymore.

at least they cant do so without it seeming romantic because of one thing.

shipping and romance.

without a doubt it has taken over our society as a whole and this is for quiet a few reasons, we literally have a holiday about romance, one of the many things moments people experience in high school is taking out their crush to a dance (of course many people take friends and make just as fun if not longer lasting memories), influencers share their lives on the daily, most fans are teens going through puberty so yknow what that means, and hollywood.

the main reason being of course hollywood.

with all of these reasons combined hollywood sees this and basically goes "oh look at all of these opportunities for romance and most importantly drama!!" and then they take it, make a romantic bond, get you attached and then proceed to put you through hell with it getting you addicted to it. but why a romantic bond? why not platonic? because its simple, when tv and stuff started pushing out they wanted to get people heavily attached and they didnt think or care about platonic bonds because why have platonic bonds when you can instantly take it to the much "juicier" step? aka romantic bonds?

now im gonna lump in all of our previous reasons together. its no big surprise that our lives TYPICALLY (most likely not for people on the ace spectrum) are heavily centered around romance and sex and so in order to relate to the MAJORITY (from what large companies can tell) of people they tend to make that platonic bond romantic to get people swooning over it and thinking 'oh thats what i want in a partner'

so we tend to perceive these actions as romantic when in reality... theyre typically not, not unless youre kissing or actively having sex these actions arent all that romantic. even holding hands isnt really that romantic. ive had several friends who desire no romantic relationship with each other hold hands and jokingly press their faces close together as if they were being 'romantic' with each other. ive in fact shared a bed with my friend a few times and found that yeah... theyre just my friend. these actions are not romantic. so why do we think that they are?

hollywood, from our past memories and "experiences" (experiences in quotations because lets be honest... its just movie watching) we see these actions as romantic because theyve been dont with romantic undertones. for example let me put the absolute stupidest thing thats been romanticized.

giving someone your jacket or umbrella when its raining. especially when its friend.

yes. hollywood was romanticized basic human decency towards someone that you care about. im 90% sure that anyone reasing this would gladly give their jacket to their friend if it was raining and they didnt want them to catch a cold, or if they had an extra layer to just simply give them. OR if they had an umbrella they would share.

because thats what you do for someone that you care for

but in hollywood this was romanticized by the enemies to lovers trope or the rivals to lovers or... whatever you want to call it- it was romanticized and soon enough they began doing it with everything. friends to lovers. (i dont know which trope made it romantic first so dont quote me on this the main point is that they made it romantic when the gesture itself is NOT)

point being, like it or not romance is something that was heavily implemented into your mind as a child and will always be there. and its why we cant perceive friends as 'just friends' anymore or whatever youd like to call it. the implication of past experiences with media will always be there and guess what? suck it up. its always going to be there and theres nothing you can do about it.

so yeah. thats why people cant perceive things as just friends and why strong platonic bonds quite literally cant really be written well anymore. unless of course they shove it down your throat with the constant 'oh youre my best friend!' but even then- oops it was romanticized by hollywood...

so thats my take on the whole situation. personally i think you should just let people ship whatever they want as long as its legal lol

[scftizuku]

Seeing people arguing over bkdk vs dkbk on the bird app makes me lose brain cells. I don’t understand why so many people take that very seriously and can argue daily on whichever ship dynamic they like more. Thank goodness that many people here are actually peaceful and I rarely see those arguments.

[chandralia]

IM GONNA BE SICK SHDKDHSSJSH Hori’s really saving him for last,, we’ve got panels of every single character guiding Deku, cheering him on, pushing him through… except Bakugo?

we’re about to get something so incredible

[retrofailing-icor]

I'm more open on ships than anything but sometimes I gotta point out how odd ships can be.

Like how Izocha is so underdeveloped that it makes me genuinely cry.

Or how bakudeku had to grow through sh/t before actually fixing things.

Or how tgchk started off the same foot as bkdk.

I'm happy the people get to ship their ships. Cause like. You can ship the weirdest ship in front of me as long as it's legal. And I wouldn't fkn mind.

But the moment you tell me "character is a homewrecker! They're ruining the ship!" ? ... ?

I'm sorry. WTF DO YOU MEAN.

"Izocha is canon! Uraraka ruined bkdk!!!" THE F/CK SHE DID NOT???

"IZOCHA CANON! YOU GUYS SHOULD STOP SHIPPING YOUR TOXIC BKDK. BAKUGO LITERALLY TOLD HIM TO SWAN DIVE" how the hell does Bakugo ruin izocha.

"tgchk was better! Deku just had to be the main problem" BACK THE FK UP—

BACK THE FK UP. BACK THE FK UP.

if you wanna ship. Then SHIP. don't drag other characters and blame them for your ship not ending up the way you wanted it to.

Don't blame Uraraka bc bkdk couldn't be canon. Horikoshi legit said no ships will be canon.

Don't blame Bakugo for "getting in the way" of izocha. He isn't in the way.

Don't blame Deku for being a wall that separates Uraraka and toga. HE AINT. HE AINT.

At times like this I genuinely wonder what tf is going on through people's heads.

Cause when I ship I don't blame a canon character.

Take it for example I'm a hardcore bkdk shipper. But god do I worship Uraraka. She has matured so much that seeing her fall for Deku at the end makes me genuinely cry.

No this isn't about tgchk. This is just me complaining about how Uraraka doesn't need a man or Deku or toga to be strong and independent.

Toga and Deku were Uraraka's keys of development and what made her mature. To see her linger on them both makes me genuinely sad. Like wdym she's still not over them both? Wdym she still needs them? No she doesn't. She's come so far on her own. God please they don't deserve Uraraka 😭 my queen my girlboss 😭

But back to the main topic.

Shipping is meant to be for fun, but if you diss another character for "getting in the way" of your ship, you might as well just stop being in the fandom at all.

Dissing on my girl like that. MAN F/CK YOU. dissing on Deku and calling him a. Green goblin? F/CK YOU TOO. like back the fk. Up. My kids did nothing wrong. Go shoo. Shoo. Leave this fandom you aren't welcomed here.

This also just doesn't apply to bkdk, izocha nor tgchk btw.

I get pissed every time I see someone shipping two characters then diss another character for getting in the way.

And I'm not dissing the ship here I'm dissing the shipper. Like damn. What typa Wattpad bullsh/t did you read up your a// tf?

To make things short? No. Character does not get in the way of said ship. (Unless you're the man from Nana then I accept)

Come at me. I will protect my kids from your delusional a// they did nothing wrong to get in the way of your ship.

[that1passionatedyke]

Something that irks me about shipping is they act like queer people can’t have toxicity or not end up together, like toxic and doomed yuri/yaoi exists. If the characters are super close they are so quick to pull out the “ just friends” card as if homoerotic friendships don’t exist. Then the “siblings” card, buddy if you act like that towards your siblings I’m gonna need you to turn yourself into the police. Don’t even get me started on when the character has shown interest in the opposite sex, guys bisexual people/ characters exist. They hate on people with queer ships that have barely interacted or have shown interest in each other when if it was a straight ship they’d be glazing the hell out of it. Things don’t have to be explicitly stated to be allowed to ship it, it’s fucking shipping, just ship. Like just say it out right you don’t like queer ships.

[rirururu]

Bakugou in chapter 1 said his goal was to become the number one hero and the richest person in the world. He was adamant that Deku couldn't do anything without a quirk.

He went from that to working his butt off for 8 years and spending his entire life savings to give adult quirkless Deku his dream of being a hero back. And expecting nothing in return except the wish that they can "compete and chase each other for the rest of their lives." 😭

Bakugou Katsuki grew so much. I will miss such an amazing character. 🥹

[oshawottmain]

As a multishipper, I didn't care who Deku ultimately ended up with. I just wanted him to be happy. So I'm glad everything's working out in the end.

Please, let's not fight. As always, if canon doesn't live up to your expectations, fanon is always there, but there's no need to crash out or complain or try to undermine anything just because you don't like or disagree with it. Let's just enjoy our favorite fandom together.

[cvntkisser]

Once i saw a post that was like "am i the only one who thinks it's not wrong to hate a female character for getting in the way of mlm/gay ships" and then they started to justify it and like. it is wrong. you're allowed to not like characters but hating a female character for this reason is sexist. like if she was a man you'd have no problem but she's a girl so now there's no mlm ship so now you hate her. like it's obviously sexist to hate a female character if you'd be okay with the male version of them. and obviously sexism is wrong. and obviously I shouldn't have to say that.

[kathrahender]

One of the things I dislike most about fandoms is the hypocrisy of their fans. And this is about ships again, yes (it's about characters too ngl).

Every anti-Bakudeku/Catradora fan says things like "How can you ship couples like these? It's so abusive! It's disgusting! Catra/Bakugo were so mean towards Adora/Izuku! Catradora/Bakudeku is so toxic and you shouldn't like it!" and then, when talking about Hiccstrid people always love them together. Even if Astrid was also a bully to Hiccup. Even if her development was null (don't say she had development, her "redemption" arc was shit and she needed more time in screen and more scenes between her and Hiccup to change from "I hate all the dragons" to "I was wrong about them". And one scene with an OST called "Romantic Flight" is not enough to make her redemption believable). Talking about development, do I really have to say that you hate Catradora/Bakudeku, but at least Catra and Bakugo apologized to Adora and Izuku? Astrid didn't say sorry to Hiccup for bullying him/hurting him. And you should be aware of that.

Bakugo and Catra didn't redeem in one day, they didn't get up one day and decided to be nicer. No, they had to work in their redemption and they also had to work in their relationship with the people they hurt (Izuku and Adora). Astrid didn't do that. All she needed to change was flying in a dragon with the person she used to hate.

Having all of that in mind, tell me, which relationship would be more healthy, logical and believable? The ones where the bully had to work hard to make amends for their mistakes, to heal their scars to make it better for the MC? The ones where the bully apologized to their victim, to the people they hurt? Or the one where all it took to change from "I hate you so much" to "I like you" was one scene, and they didn't even apologize for being a bully/being a bad person? Think about that.

And think about another thing too. A girl hurting a boy is bad. "But she-" No. "But she's not being cruel and she-" Enough. Don't fucking justify female-on-male violence. Violence is violence. If you hate Bakugo/Catra so much for hurting Izuku/Adora, then treat Astrid the same way, because she was not an angel before changing. She's not innocent. She was a bully too. And if you despise Bakugo/Catra's past actions, despise Astrid's past actions too.

Where I also saw Double Standard in media is in shows where there's a female character stalking a male character. Two examples that come to my mind right now are Hinata Hyuga from Naruto and Marinette Dupain-Cheng from Miraculous Ladybug.

The thing about them is that a lot of people love them. A lot of people love a female character stalking a male character. Dear God, Marinette learned the daily schedule of Adrien, and she even traveled to another country for him. Because she couldn't bear thinking he was in another country where she couldn't see what was he doing. That's not freaking normal, you guys. "She was a girl" "She didn't know what was she doing" "She's just in love". Excuse me- What. the. hell. Okay. So you're saying you're okay with a girl being so jealous that everytime her "crush" talks to a girl she needs to be around. You're okay with a girl entering her crush's house without permission (Do you know that's a crime, right?). You're okay with a girl having her bedroom full of photos of her crush (and I'm not talking about a fictional character from a show she likes. I'm talking about a real person. Because in Miraculous Ladybug's world, Adrien is Marinette's classmate, not a character from a show). I'm sorry, but if you think that's okay, there's something wrong with you. People can like someone and have a crush, sure, but what she has is an obsession. What she's doing is not normal. (And she can do that in the show, after all she's a character, but don't act like she's a nice person and an innocent person because she isn't. And definitely don't see her actions as a normal thing).

People, please, don't think what she's doing is "iconic" or something like that. If you're watching this show, please, don't do the same as her with your crush because is awful and disgusting. She's not "cute" for doing this. She has a problem, I'm being serious.

If she had a better love story with Adrien, like she did in the movie, I would understand the Adrinette ship because in the new movie it's just beautiful and wholesome and it's actually healthy. But when it comes to the show, the Adrinette ship can't be nothing more than toxic. So stop acting like Marinette's actions towards Adrien are okay (Yes, Adrien's actions towards Ladybug weren't okay neither, but this post is about female characters).

What Hinata Hyuga did -in comparison with Marinette- is not that bad, but even then, following her crush (Naruto Uzumaki) everytime he's with his friends/classmates is not nice. It's not cute. It's not something people should do. And the Naruhina ship honestly makes no sense. Okay, I get it. It's the type of romance we all want to have. We all want our crush to fall in love with us. We all want to have a relationship with the person we used to have a crush on. But if you want to include that trope if your story, if you want them to end up together in a show/book/movie, give them development. The ship has to feel natural.

We have to feel/see the chemitry. And I saw (and still see) no chemistry between Naruto and Hinata. Sasunaru, on the other hand, has a lot of emotional moments together and moments when they bond (their chemistry is right there). And it's not for my own preference, but they would have made a better couple. Mostly because they shared more screen time with each other. Even though Shikanaru and Gaanaru are also good options for a canon ship. Because they also had chemistry. But Naruto's love for Hinata in my opinion didn't feel natural. It was forced.

After all of this, let me say something more. You probably don't care about a girl stalking a boy in fiction. You're probably like "She's not doing anything wrong" "She's a teenager" "Stop being judgmental, she's a good character" "She's a nice person". If what they do it's okay for you, let me ask you a question. What if their gender was reversed? Yeah. Imagine if Marinette and Hinata weren't girls. Imagine if they were boys. Imagine if a boy went to another country to control the actions of another girl. Imagine if a boy entered his crush's house without permission. Imagine if a boy stalked the girl he likes to see if she's talking to another boys. Imagine if a boy had pictures of the girl he likes in his bedroom. What would you think then? Oh- You would think it's disgusting? It would be disgusting for you, right? Why? Because it's a boy?

People, have this in mind:

👏👏👏 If a boy does something bad and a girl does the same thing they both need to be treated the same way 👏👏👏

A girl hitting a boy isn't funny. It shouldn't be played for fun. As well as a boy hitting a girl. Neither of them is funny. And neither of them can be justified.

A girl stalking a boy isn't funny. As well as a boy stalking a girl. Neither of them is funny. And neither of them can be justified.

That's why I ask you to stop being two-faced. If you despise someone's actions, you despise someone's actions, whether it is a boy or a girl. You want equality? Then fucking stop with the double standard.

A bad action is a bad action, no matter who makes it. Period.

[frostfires-blog]

So BKDK is my first m/m ship ever. Yeah, until then, I always ship m/f ones and saw the same sex ones as just platonic (sorry I don't mean anything negative or being homophobic, it's just the way I was at that time).

Can I tell you something? When I first follow BNHA with my brother (about 8 years ago), I ship Bakugou with Uraraka (I know! It's random right?). My brother who dislike shipping, ships no one and said, "The endgame must be Midoriya with Uraraka. And there will be moments when they'll got closer just like Naruto and Hinata" (yes both of us are also Naruto fans)....

But as we enjoy the series over the years, I can't help but saw how special it is the bond between Izuku and Katsuki. Even my brother and I agree that, "Because of these canon moments. It's very clear that Katsuki have the role kinda like the love interests of the mc. Heck, the pining is so clear! Those BKDK shippers are really onto something." 🤩🤣

And that is why, I became BKDK shipper since 2022. My brother is not a shipper but an ally. So, you can imagine how shock we were when we read the epilogue! So agree with your post about the ending.

I found you because of your Hanakotoba of various anime/donghua. Thanks for sharing those beautiful posts. I never knew how important the meaning of the flowers. I also surprised when reading the posts about Fruits Basket, Gintama and Apothecary Diaries (these three have become my all time fav ever)....🥰😊😆

My friend asked me, how come I ship BakuDeku and not NaruSasu shipper? Honestly, I'm confused on how to answer that myself. Until I found your answer to why you love Naruto and Sasuke's dynamics but not shipping them. That's exactly what I feel, too.

It's also hard for me to start shipping them or seeing their bond as romantic.

I said that, but I'm not a fan of Naruto/Hinata or Sasuke/Sakura. I can't really explain (sorry cause I'm bad at explaining). But I just don't feel anything for the canon main ships.

Sorry for my rambling, feel free to skip the above because below are my questions for you.

1. What I want to ask, are, what made you love these ships? Why are they're special to you? For : BakuDeku, MinaKushi, ShikaTema?

2. If you were asked, what flowers that remind you of Bakugou and Midoriya, what would they be?

Note.

The last two are the only canon ships that I love from Naruto. For non canon, I ships Naruto/Sakura, Kakashi/Sakura (can you tell, how much I love Sakura? This is why I dislike how Sasuke treat her throughout the story), and Kiba/Hinata. Sorry for being random.

If you love the main canon ships, I hope you don't mind with what I said. Please, do know that I don't mean to bash any ships. They're all wonderful in their own way...

Hi! Thanks for sending in an ask... I'm so sorry that it's taken me this long to complete it.

I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but my first m/m ship was BakuDeku as well haha... So, I really relate to what you're saying... You're so correct about Katsuki filling many aspects of the role associated with the main heroine/love interest. I'm just glad that the new special chapter relieved most of my dissatisfaction with the epilogue and helped to restore the confidence of many bakudeku shippers... Horikoshi essentially said that we should imagine things the way we want, and I'm going to take that to heart. No ships were made canon for Izuku or Katsuki, so we're all free to envision the ending that we all wish for... And that's the best outcome we could've gotten after the epilogue...

Wow! A fan of Fruits Basket, Gintama and Kusuriya no Hitorigoto?! You have immaculate taste; those three series are all in my top 10! I'm glad you enjoyed my hanakotoba posts... I put a lot of work into them, so it always makes me happy when I see others appreciating them. Sadly, I can't do them as often as I want since there isn't always material...

Honestly, I've been evaluating my feelings on this SasuNaru/NaruSasu a lot lately since it's come up in asks a lot lately... Even my tiktok fyp is filled with the "I can't defend Naruto/Sasuke anymore" type posts... The more I see clips of scenes of them, the more my heart wavers a little. So, at this point, I don't quite know whether I can only see them as a platonic duo or whether I've gradually come to ship them and am just in denial... I get why people aren't fond of NaruHina or SasuSaku... I've been a Naruto fan for practically half of my life at this point, so my feelings have shifted a lot over time as well... To put things into perspective, when I first started watching Naruto, my older brother lied to me and told me that NaruSaku was canon... Ten-year-old me, who wasn't yet aware of the concept of shipping and fandoms, was not at all happy about that lol... But I was gullible and took him at face value, so I never allowed myself to formulate my own opinions about shipping for the main trio to avoid the inevitable disappointment. This is why I gradually became much more focused on side couples like NejiTen and ShikaTema even though practically everyone else was concentrated on the four-sided battle between NaruHina, NaruSaku, SasuSaku and SasuNaru. So, when NaruHina and SasuSaku became canon, I was surprised but decided to just roll with it and tried being optimistic about things... Though admittedly I grew fond of NaruHina primarily because of The Last Movie but was never as big of a fan of SasuSaku. Over time as I watched more anime and have grown to realise that the intentional romance in the Naruto series for the most part isn't nearly as decent as I once thought it was... Consequently, I've come to like NaruHina, and by extension SasuSaku, less and less—which is why neither pairing is in my top 30 anymore.

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Anyways, I feel like I've already rambled too much and have yet to answer your actual questions...

[1.) What I want to ask, are, what made you love these ships? Why are they're special to you? For : BakuDeku, MinaKushi, ShikaTema?]

-> 1.1. BakuDeku

I honestly could write an entire paper about the intricacies of their dynamic, as well as how consistent and central their development is throughout the series... However, there are many posts on this topic made by others far more eloquent with words than I am—so, I'll mostly focus on why I'm infatuated with this ship. As you know, BakuDeku is currently my second favourite ship, having formerly been my favourite for a considerable period. Although part of me was always drawn to their intriguingly complex dynamic, I only fully came around to the idea of them in a romantic context while watching season 3. Part of this shift can be attributed to my dissatisfaction with envisioning Uraraka as Izuku's love interest, given that Katsuki was the one who consistently fulfilled most of the key aspects of the role associated with the main heroine/love interest in shounen manga—a situation that especially reminded me of what happened with IchiRuki at the end of Bleach. My favourite aspect of their dynamic is undoubtedly its focus on emotional depth and growth, in addition to their inherent natural chemistry. Throughout their turbulent relationship, Katsuki and Izuku have constantly gravitated towards one another. Katsuki has only disclosed his innermost insecurities to Izuku, while the latter has always reached out to Katsuki during his lowest points. In a similar vein, it is constantly noted that Katsuki is the closest person to Izuku and understands him best, which enables him to get through to Izuku during the latter's lowest points. Throughout the series, it is often stated that Katsuki and Izuku are two sides of the same coin—that their seemingly opposed concepts of heroism are incomplete without the other. Only by learning from one another will they account for the flaws in their ideals and effectively embody the hero they both revere. In this sense, despite their differences, they do not contradict one another but instead accentuate each other's strengths while compensating for each other's respective weaknesses. Another aspect of their dynamic I adore is their tendency to mirror each other, whether intentionally or inadvertently. For example, in chapter 285 (Katsuki Bakugou: Rising), Katsuki's body moves on its own to defend Izuku, putting himself in danger, exactly as Izuku did in chapter 1. Another reference to this is found in chapter 119 (Deku vs. Kacchan Part 2), where Izuku admits to himself that at times he can't help but emulate Katsuki when he finds himself yearning for victory.

-> 1.2) MinaKushi

Although many Naruto fans only regard MinaKushi as being the protagonist's parents, it is probably the best canonical ship in the Naruto series in terms of writing—which is why they're my favourite canonical ship within the series. While Minato is an incredibly popular and relevant character, Kushina is oftentimes overlooked—even though Minato and Kushina's narrative roles, character designs, and names/titles are greatly intertwined with each other. While this pairing incorporates a few classic tropes, these tropes are implemented into their dynamic in a way that enhances their richness and strengthens their foundation. The way the Red String of Fate trope was incorporated into their narrative is probably my favourite aspect of this pairing. Their presence in the series remains palpable in the way their son embodies their shared ideals. This adds to their richness, helping to make their narrative arc feel concise and fulfilling despite not getting a lot of screen time. From a personal standpoint, their duality in terms of tone is deeply satisfying. Although their relationship and narrative role involve many serious themes, their dynamic has a humorous element created by their dynamic personalities. While their relationship was unquestionably fulfilling and secure, the tragedy of their early deaths imparts an element of angst and complexity.

-> 1.3) ShikaTema

Aside from NejiTen, ShikaTema was the only other pairing that I supported entirely on my own accord—rather than only supporting it after receiving canonical confirmation, as was the case with the others. This can be attributed not only to their instant natural chemistry, but also to the series' persistent, yet subtle hints—which go a long way in a shounen series that avoids overtly romantic displays. They greatly complement each other with Temari's strong-willed and diligent personality bringing out a more determined and assertive side in the usually lazy and relaxed Shikamaru. Conversely, Temari oftentimes shows a gentler and less haughty side of herself while with Shikamaru. Their dynamic is perfectly captured in their symbology, as Shikamaru is often symbolised with clouds while Temari is associated with wind. To explain more thoroughly, the title of episode 489 '風雲"—which contains the kanji for "cloud" and "wind" respectively—is a translates to "clouds appearing before the wind starts to blow" and is a phrase that implies that even although there is trouble ahead, something or someone will drive it away. Overall, this imagery suggests that any troubles on Shikamaru's mind will be swept away by Temari. This is made apparent when Temari shows up to rescue Shikamaru twice in the series. Another amusing yet endearing aspect of this pairing is Shikamaru's frequent inadvertent comparison of their dynamic to his parents' relationship, despite his insistence that he has no interest in romance.

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[2.) If you were asked, what flowers that remind you of Bakugou and Midoriya, what would they be?]

This is a really interesting question... While both the BNHA anime and manga are filled with symbolism, the series isn't particularly rich in hanakotoba symbolism compared to other series. Despite this, Katsuki and Izuku have been repeatedly depicted alongside cherry blossom trees, which perfectly encapsulate the growth and development of their dynamic across the series. I'm planning to cover this in an individual post where I can fully elaborate. So, for brevity's sake, I'll refrain from repeating things here. Since their dynamic is so nuanced, there are many other flowers that I think could suit them as well...

That being said, to the best of my knowledge, neither character has been individually associated with a canonical flower. So, if I were to pick one for each of them, I'd pick chamomile for Izuku and gloriosa for Katsuki. I tried to take both colour and meaning into consideration when selecting, though I'm sure there might be something better suited that I might not know about.

A) Izuku Midoriya: In Japan, chamomile flowers are called kamomīru (カモミール) and are associated with endurance and strength amidst adversity in hanakotoba. In Western floriography, they represent possessing patience and energy in adversity. The symbolism of the chamomile flower is primarily derived from its ability to persist when trampled on, as it continues to grow stronger as it is trodden on. The chamomile's symbolism greatly complements Izuku's enduring determination, empathy and resilience, which persist despite the challenges and obstacles he encounters.

B) Katsuki Bakugo: The gloriosa lily's name―which is derived from the Latin word “gloriosus” meaning splendid―was inspired by its bright, fiery colouration and majestic, wave-like petals. In Japan, gloriosa lilies are known as gurorioosa (グロリオサ). They are associated with glory and bravery in hanakotoba. In Western floriography, they symbolise passion, purity, beauty and pride. The gloriosa's association with glory, bravery and passion greatly complement Katsuki's determination for victory and drive to succeed―while its symbolism of pride is a reference to Katsuki's superiority complex. Gloriosa are also known as flame lilies or fire lilies, which serves as a nod to Katsuki's fire-based, explosion ability.

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People need to understand the IzuOcha shippers are the toxic ones

These people want to make me leave MHA fandom and stop liking IzuOcha. I'm not talking about all the shippers I'm talking about the majority. I have had no pleasant conversation with these shippers and how focused they are on Canon. I don't care if it's Canon it's a fandom not cannon-dom it's supposed to go beyond cannon. With the interview with the MHA creator interview the question was "did ochako love Izuku?" And the response was go back to the last chapter and use your imagination. A relationship could be one-sided and blush is not always love. If blush is only love then when Loid was blushing at Ayna when she got into the academy he loved her. Blush does not mean love, it's an expression of emotions. And it's clearly stated and not implied the Izuku had not talked to anyone in UA class 1A in years including ochako if it was love it would be weird because "hey I know we haven't talked in years but I love you and let's date"

"sure"

But I've seen many people try to defend this because I saw one person that started Endeavor didn't 🍇 Rai because it's implied so IzuOcha is canon. if Endeavor 🍇ing Rai is canon then IzuOcha is canon. Those two things are not the same thing and using 🍇 as away to prove a ship is messed up. And the threat oh my God are cruel. Tell someone to KTS and saying they deserve to be 🍇 because of fiction characters. They project their behavior onto BakuDeku shippers. And the homophobia is clear closet. Saying things like "finally a normal ship" you straight people are not oppressed. Canon only matters to them when it gay ships. When you ship a straight ship that's not IzuOcha to these shippers are okay with it but the second you ship a gay ship "it'll never be cannon" "not cannon" it's so annoying.

The issue is that this is the majority of the shippers. It's like sticking your hand in a box of needles and one piece of hay and it needs to change

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Heyyy olá pessoal! Esse é um blog DEDICADO a vc que ama o shipp bakudeku, aqui quero trazer bastante coisa sobre esse shipp maravilhoso! Antes de mais nada, quero dizer que respeito todos os shipps, e se você não gosta de bkdk ou não shippa peço que se retire dessa página, pois aqui e EXCLUSIVAMENTE para os fãs! Bjuuus

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this showed up on my feed and.. two things.

1. bakudeku are NOT childhood friends to enemies to lovers idk what show this person watched. bakugou and izuku were NOT friends at any point. bakugou was izuku's bully and it stayed that way until the present timeline.

they also never become enemies, they were not even rivals, the rivalry was purely imagined by bakugou, while izuku always tried to stay on good terms with him.

do people not know what "enemies" or "rivals" mean anymore? it doesn't work that way if the aggression and animosity is one-sided.

2. same goes for c//a. they were friends, sure, but catra was adora's abuser at the same time. and while they could be called enemies while they were on opposing sides, like bakugou, catra was the one who imagined a betrayal and used it as an excuse to continue hurting adora.

i do agree with the fact that these two ships are similar though. they're both instances of abuse being glorified and the abusers treated like cute little tsundere babies.

[chandralia]

can’t wait to throw up next episode