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max1461 · 6 months ago
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I think a good chunk of my symptoms are PTSD. They've got a whole Bayesian theory of PTSD here. So my plan is to try and not do all that stuff, you know. They think my brain got its priors fucked and is interpreting things wrong, so I'm going to try to not do that.
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rayssyscourse · 11 months ago
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subjective reality anon - I'd love to see those articles :)
absolutely!!!! there was one other person in the reblogs who asked for them too, if I can find them again I'll tag them lol
Quantum superposition - https://scienceexchange.caltech.edu/topics/quantum-science-explained/quantum-superposition
Qbism - https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum-bayesianism-explained-by-its-founder-20150604/
Perception based on prior assumptions - https://www.quantamagazine.org/brains-speed-up-perception-by-guessing-whats-next-20190502/
https://www.quantamagazine.org/to-be-energy-efficient-brains-predict-their-perceptions-20211115/
Double-slit experiment (famous experiment proving quantum superposition and the decoherence of it) -
https://plus.maths.org/content/physics-minute-double-slit-experiment-0
Observer interference - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326795653_The_Observer_Effect
https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/measuring-reality-affect-observe/#:~:text=That%20pattern%20persists%20even%20if,really%20does%20affect%20the%20outcome.
you'll notice this in the links, but one site I really like is called Quanta Magazine--they report on other branches of science too, but their quantum physics stuff is particularly good, and I find it to be really digestible considering how complex the topics are, lol. Enjoy!!
also--a couple things I don't have on hand but might be useful to look up are the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and quantum entanglement :)
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mellifiedman · 4 months ago
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I don't think I should have to figure out permutations and Bayesian probabilities and stuff like that when it's nice outside. They should make an exception
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uququ · 1 year ago
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possible i fundamentally misunderstand its actual application but bayesian reasoning seems fundamentally ridiculous as a day-to-day decisionmaking tool. like, you're just picking some numbers basically arbitrarily & doing math on them, not only is there no way that's actually more effective than just thinking about stuff but also it imbues you with a false confidence in the objectivity of your views! what's the point!
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douchebagbrainwaves · 7 days ago
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IT'S SAFE FOR STARTUPS
When parents are of different religions, they'll often agree between themselves that their children will be raised as Xes. Wow. It's not just the user who's human. Life in a zoo is easier, but it was simpler than they realized. And the reason everyone doesn't use it is that there's more environment in the mix than most people realize. Or rather, a large organization has felt this. You don't win fights by thinking of tricks that work in one particular case. A suburban street was just the right size.
I were a legislator, I'd be delighted, and yet this email would be both commercial and unsolicited. The purpose of this article is not just to baldly state the facts. Combine this with the confidence parents try to instill in their kids, and every year you get a lot of squawking coming from my hen house one night, I'd want to go out and find their own stories, at least, that it's hard to spend more than a slight stirring of discomfort. And often these gaps won't seem to be missing. We occupy a new, smaller kind of animal that has moved into it. The problem is, as you would in a field that was more honest. I ignored it the way you let yourself ignore a bug that only appears intermittently. But I'm convinced they got this right by accident. One way to tell how good people are at empathy is to watch them explain a technical question to someone without a technical background.
9762507 cgi 0. Hackers need to understand the advantages of outsiders while increasingly being able to siphon off what had till recently been the prerogative of the elite. But it's convenient because this is an example of that rare bird, a spam that arrived while I was writing this article. They remind us where we come from. At Yahoo it felt as if there was a type of programmer who would only put five or ten lines of code on a page, preceded by twenty lines of elaborately formatted comments. Try talking to everyone you can about the gaps they find in the world. That will generally work unless you get trapped on a local maximum, like 1980s-style AI, or C. What if you run out of ideas? We're counting on it being 5-7% of the upside, while an employer gets nearly all of it falls short of the editor-damped writing in print publications.
5x. 1/g ngood min 1/b nbad where word is the token whose probability we're calculating, good and bad. Most were emerging from twenty or so years of being told what to do and when the way a boss can. If the same person does both, they'll inevitably mumble downwards at the computer screen instead of talking clearly at the audience. You could make a preliminary drawing if you wanted to, but only for a small one, and instead of physical knobs it had buttons and an LED display. Are you the current leader? I learned it hadn't been so neat, and the key to flexibility, I think you implicitly solicit a receipt, and notification when the order ships. Even if the product doesn't entail a lot of de facto control after a series A is clearly heard-of. But focus has drawbacks: you don't know very well, the convention is to seem extra friendly. Indeed, c0ck is far more damning evidence than cock, and Bayesian filters know precisely how much more interesting a democratic news site can be than a front page controlled by editors, and how much is because big companies made them that way, and how consistently bad people fail as startup founders.
I do it on that computer. Boston VCs had the first shot at them. And in fact, don't even ask for their email address unless you need it for some reason. The list of n things. The Day of the Jackal, by Frederick Forsyth. They didn't feel the need to seem serious, the weight of a few smart friends. And the things I find missing when I look at the stuff anymore. If they did, I see no reason to believe today's union leaders would have to get bought or go public, you won't be able to deliver more software to users. Why is that so?
0 false positives, I'm talking about filtering my mail based on the actual mail he receives. Boston. Not quite. Sufficiently aware, in my database, of. Ajax application, was the result of a startup is that there are few checks on releases. And so the median language has enormous momentum. Why is it that research can be done, no matter how many people you put on a task, or how evidence should be combined to calculate it. In an opera it's common for one person to write the libretto and another to set the temperature and another to write the libretto and another to set the temperature and another to write the libretto and another to write the libretto and another to set the temperature and another to write the new program in the same language. If you start the company, regardless of how many board seats they have. 4 is a good way to learn. Unfortunately, beautiful things don't always make the best subjects for papers. Because the main points are unconnected, the list of n things is so relaxing.
Thanks to Sam Altman, Chris Anderson, Paul Buchheit, Trevor Blackwell, Adaptive Path, Robert Morris, and Pete Koomen for putting up with me.
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expfcultragreen · 4 months ago
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To be precise,
....apes aren't monkeys and monkeys arent apes. "Ape" isnt a suborder of "monkey" or whatever, theyre all in the dry nose cladistic group but that group includes a bunch of stuff, it isnt a thing of "monkey" being an umbrella term that encompasses apes, its a thing of them both being under an umbrella (dry nose + nostrils down-and-forward) that only some monkeys are under. Apes evolved from a monkeylike ancestor a really long time ago, as did the modern monkeys around them; monkeys arent proto-apes, theyre derived from the same extinct primate as apes.
....Im just thinking tangentially about how old primates as a group are....like.......pre-continental drift/breakup old, so cool. The ones on this side of the planet have been evolving in isolation from the others for so fucking long....you know only the central/south american ones have prehensile tales....pretty jealous personally
Following the emergence of Simiformes in Africa, Platyrrhini split from Catarrhini during the Eocene when New World monkeys dispersed to South America, likely by rafting on mats of vegetation across the Atlantic Ocean. The Atlantic is estimated to have been possibly 1,000 km (600 mi) narrower, based on estimates from the expansion of the Atlantic mid-ocean ridge formation processes (2.5 cm/1 in per year.) It is also possible that during this rafting process, there were a number of islands between Africa and South America which have since been submerged.
Bayesian estimates of divergence time using "conservative but realistic fossil constraints" have indicated the most recent common ancestor of new world monkeys to have existed between 27-31 million years ago
Most recent common ancestor with what? Catarrhines in general? Whatever, silly wikipedia, make me infer go ahead
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1000km closer 27-31mya, so cool.....picture it, a fruiting tree on an eroding coastal or riverine bank.....while loaded down with foraging proto-platyrrhines, it collapses into the drink and with enough high-moisture food to last across the mini-atlantic, away theyre swept, never to return
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darkmaga-returns · 5 months ago
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After a week, I think it’s clear that Donald Trump was not engaging in hyperbole when he told the libs: “we will do things to you that have never been done before.” What an incredible line! What a comedian! What a prophet! Many such cases.
Poetry is just a line that sticks in your head—and while bad politics is bad poetry, good politics is good poetry. Politics and religion are brothers; and comedy is the cousin of both. Every prophet is a comedian. Every comedian is a prophet. This is Hallmark stuff—everyone should know it.
I was talking to a very worried lib a couple of months before the election. I was like: dude, remember that full-page huge-point headline in the Times? “WHEN DONALD TRUMP SAYS��� [long list of hyperbolic threats to libs and libbery] BELIEVE HIM.”
I was like: Trump University? Trump Steaks? And, let’s not forget, for the intellectual right of 2017—the great Ann Coulter’s epic literary fumble, “In Trump We Trust”?
As a writer, after 2020, the idea of trusting Trump to execute (as opposed to his talents as a comedian, prophet, etc) was like… it was like putting your savings in TrumpCoin. Has the man changed? Do men change? And yet—
All the Bayesian logic went one way. A bullet went another. So did history. So much for Hari Seldon. Somehow, as too often happens, I was wrong, but not exactly surprised.
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positively-knotted · 5 months ago
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Fuck it, full list + review:
First year
Linear Algebra: easy, boring.
Group theory: marginally harder, significantly more interesting.
Real analysis: one of the hardest, but only because you do it right at the start. Really one you only appreciate once it's over.
Probability: I really enjoyed this actually - not too hard if you're ok at analysis.
Statistics: it's like they took probability and took out the interesting parts.
Intro calculus: mostly very very boring, but some neat problems I guess. Also badly named, this means intro to differential equations.
Multivariable calculus: honestly one of the easiest courses I've taken. Slightly more interesting than intro.
Fourier analysis: terrible course, only taught for applied people. Everyone else should be allowed to wait until they've done functional analysis.
Geometry: mostly linear algebra tbh, with some random calculus problems thrown in. Fine, but felt very thrown together.
Dynamics. This was the hardest course I ever took. Wtf was happening. How did I get a first in this. I had no idea what I was meant to do at any point.
Algorithms: can you learn an algorithm and apply it by hand? Then you can pass this course!
Second year:
More linear algebra: Spectral theorem is useful, otherwise by far the easiest second year course.
Ring theory: vital for any pure mathematician. The course was very hard, but mostly because the lecturer was the kind of person to define a subring as "an injective morphism" to second years. Modules are cool tho.
Complex analysis: also very very hard, but mostly because it was badly taught. I see why people like it; I didn't.
Measure theory: the end of real analysis! Nice to finally define an integral, and definitely nicer arguments than other analysis courses. Overall fun if tricky.
Metric spaces: sick. It was taught by Ben Green. Need I say more?
Topology: I am doing a PhD in topology, so very biased. You spend a lot of time doing fairly boring analysis-y stuff, but the payoff is great.
More differential equations: this was fantastically taught and actually very fun, although partly because I was good at it. That said, actually solving the damn things wasn't always that fun compared to the theory.
More probability: Markov chains are cool and also just easier than everyone thinks they're going to be? Ended up being my best second year exam somehow lol, but fairly mid-tier for interest.
More statistics: I only took this because I felt I should know Bayesian stats. I have forgotten Bayesian stats.
Quantum theory: did you know that everything is a Hilbert space? And do you know your trig identities? If yes, you might like this course! More seriously, this is just "intro to Lie algebra representation theory" but they don't tell you that.
Short courses (more group theory, number theory, projective geometry, multivariable analysis): these courses were badly designed so no comment
Third year
Representation theory: sick. Do this. It's just algebra but done better.
Commutative algebra: ill. is how I felt. Don't do this. Well do it's very important in pure maths but make sure you find a good teacher. You probably should do it though I guess.
Galois theory: everyone interested in pure maths should do this, but personally I hated it. I do not care sufficiently about polynomials.
Algebraic number theory: if you care about numbers, this is cool. I found it fairly easy/boring since it wasn't aimed at people who'd done as much algebra as I had, but was nice to see.
Surfaces: a weird sort of intro to classical differential geometry, focusing on smooth surfaces and Riemann surfaces. It was nice and very easy, but the course was very weirdly designed imo. Other unis also seem to have similar courses though, which confuses me, since I feel it makes more sense to just teach general manifolds then Riemannian geometry, and use surfaces as simple examples throughout.
Algebraic curves: massive overlap with surfaces since both needed Riemann surfaces but neither was a prereq for the other. Then also covered all of projective geom, and rushed through the interesting stuff. Having now relearnt it though, it's super cool and I would recommend to everyone pure or not.
Baby AlgTop: basically Ch0+1 of Hatcher, dealing with cell complexes and the fundamental group. Everyone should know what the fundamental group is, but tbh I don't think everyone needs to sit through a course that proves the simplicial approximation theorem.
Functional Analysis: quite easy if you have finally internalised the lessons that undergrad analysis was trying to teach you, very hard if not. Basically did everything you've already seen more generally, imo should be compulsory.
More Functional Analysis: this time it's topology! Seriously though. Do it if you like topology, otherwise just trust people.
More quantum theory: this time it was "intro to Lie group representation theory". Then it became perturbation theory and I stopped going.
Master's year:
All of these reviews will be useless because the masters I did was weird.
Homological algebra: why was this taught before category theory??? Useful tool, but a hard course. Especially before category theory.
Category theory: should be compulsory for pure mathematicians. Also should be an undergrad course, since all my other masters courses assumed you knew basic category theory. (And so did some 3rd year algebra courses).
Algebraic geometry: I dropped it after 3 lectures bc the lecturer was bad. But if you have a good lecturer, maybe it might not be? Im unconvinced.
Proper Algebraic topology: the classic course covering Ch2+3 of Hatcher. If you like pictures and sign errors you should do it. If not, you probably still should.
Manifolds: this could also be an undergrad course tbh. Do you love vector bundles? You should love vector bundles. I love vector bundles. De Rham cohomology is underwhelming though, sorry @lipshits-continuous.
Lie groups: I think there is no good way to teach Lie groups to geometers. At least to me. I have absolutely no idea how I got 70% in this exam I did not deserve it.
Riemannian geometry: my best exam ever I think, somehow. It's kinda just analysis, except for geometers so there's much more handwaving and fewer δs. It's pretty boring at points, but the interplay between topology and curvature is fascinating imo.
Low-dimensional topology: this is now my PhD, but also the course was atrocious. Do with that what you will.
Uhh that was a good use of time while I waited for my rice to cook
Math enthusiasts of tumblr. What math subjects have you studied and which ones were your favorite? Which ones were your least favorite? Which ones were the hardest?
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ramrodd · 6 months ago
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max1461 · 2 years ago
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In most applications I think Bayesian reasoning is not that useful in everyday life, but I do think it would be pretty effective a strategy for like, planning the perfect murder. When people talk about committing the perfect murder they always come up with all this elaborate stuff like "oh we're gonna dissolve the body, blah blah", but the thing is, a ton of murderers don't get caught, and there are widely available statistics on every conceivable type of murder and just how likely it is to get solved. By going through all these statistics, you could not only plot a murder with a very low probability of getting caught, but get a quantitative estimate of just how likely you are to get caught and rationally weigh that against the expected pay off.
Someone should write a ratfic whodunit about this.
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tropylium · 2 years ago
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Seen recently: a very interesting example clearly formalizing a type of complaint I would have about Bayesian inference. It's a kinda simple process if we take priors and posteriors as point probabilities, but if we try and model also uncertainty… then it's the modelling of tail risk that will dominate what actually happens with unexpected information.
You can probably see how this will in practice couch out to reticient disagreements about all sorts of stuff; if A thinks that say a terrorist attack is a statistical one-off fluke event from a thin tail, while B thinks it represents simply a usual instance of a relatively thick tail, they're going to end up with noticably different conclusions — even if we assumed them to be perfectly rational agents who agree about every observable fact about the issue.
Made all the worse by the fact that, by definition, tails are what we receive little information about and thus, in many situations, must rely on priors instead.
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bambamramfan · 1 year ago
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It's always fun when my replies prove for me "some people are absurdly upset about this." You should read them.
Bruh if you can't tell those images are AI at first glance that says a lot about you...
To be clear, I consider this "debate" so far beneath discussion that it's just a joke. But it's also my rule of thumb that "the side who avoids mentioning the object level is the one to be skeptical of." Ie., if someone says "it's unbelievable what will get you canceled these days" and an opponent actually quotes the offense, well, there's a good Bayesian prior for who was acting more egregiously.
So here's one of the stills
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No, I could not "tell at first glance" that was AI. Now, some people on twitter inform me that when you know what to look for - asymmetry in the eyes, etc - it becomes obvious. But it sure wasn't obvious to me, especially if it was a split second during a movie (caveat, I have yet to see the movie.)
But even as I agree "AI art = bad", this shows how much the anti movement is becoming puritanical and obsessed. They sound just like the TERF's who say it's obvious how an image of any particular transwoman is not a """real""" woman - and both groups are wrong half the time, lumping original art and slightly mannish ciswomen in with the "fake" stuff they hate so much. And then it becomes a sin merely not to see what is "obvious" to the paranoiacs.
Or maybe I am blind and the above image is obvious to anyone, enough to ruin their movie going experience. I guess that makes my ignorance blissful.
It says a lot about me.
"Late Night with the Devil" is a horror movie releasing tomorrow about a 70's late night show that has been highly anticipated by the indie film scene.
That is, until reviewers discovered that 3 title cards during the movie were AI generated art. (I couldn't tell myself when I saw the images, but if you look closely enough the telltale signs are there.) Now the same people who were championing it, are boycotting it. I'm not kidding.
These are from the same community that if you ask about a movie by Roman Polanski, Woody Allen, or Harvey Weinstein, talk about "separating the art from the artist." I'm not calling them hypocrites - these are apples to oranges - but the scale of the difference is very funny.
I'm not a fan of AI art, at least in its current incarnation, which promises to replace quality, adequately paid art with industrial slop at a mass scale. I get drawing a line and trying to defend the line.
If anything, it reminds me of tumblr and fan fiction communities. The way the sharpest knives in identity politics aren't out for Republicans and white men and grey tribers - no these days they are wielded against authors who have five intersectional flags but offend against a sixth. Because you can't hurt the mega-establishment, but you can hurt the queer POC author next door.
Which just makes the insular progressive communities hellscapes without proportionality.
No enemies but the in-in-in-in-in-group.
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art-of-mathematics · 2 years ago
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Title: "Non-linear regression in a blurry cloud of (un-) certainty"
Date: 2023/06/12 - Size: DIN A4
Collage made with torn pieces of paper, printed background paper (top is rather dark night sky, bottom is mererly clouds in pastel-colors)
I resized and printed the non-linear regression visualisation/illustration and put it on top of the watercolour background paper.
I included a scrap piece of paper with the title of the picture and have torn it with a spiral-shaped jag at the bottom, which I bent around the top part of the non-linear regression illustration.
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max1461 · 1 year ago
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you know what? honestly. everybody thinks its some XYZ because of society, and shit, and expectations. I say "well it's Q" and because of society, and expectations, and social scripts, and bayesian priors, and WHATEVER, people think "oh, Q must be XYZ". well it isn't. at least I don't think. you don't know me, you're guessing, and you're guessing wrong. I'm not like that, that's not the thing going on with me, I'm completely different than all that stuff your imagining. it's a totally different thing. whatever.
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queerfables · 3 months ago
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Yeah I for sure do not believe either of them will ever come forward and say "this happened" because like you said, it's WAY too damaging. Their careers would maybe survive "we were so high we didn't know which way was up and, you know, stuff happens..." but like. There's just no upside to admitting that, for them. The only reason they would ever say something like that would be if someone else came forward with undeniable proof that something had happened and it was the least damaging version of the truth (but even then I expect they would say nothing and just sue that person into oblivion).
In terms of someone who saw something using it as a money grab... unless they had solid proof, it would be very hard to get anyone to take them seriously. The tabloids love scandal but from a mainstream perspective, this would be more repulsive than titillating; it would sell like hell but only if they could prove it, because unlike their usual fare, most people don't want it to be true. You can sell "Liam Gallagher bites an unsuspecting fan's nose!!" without evidence because on some level people want to be sold this larger than life wild rocker image. No one (except sickos like me lmfao) wants to imagine their rock idols fucking their brother. And the press are really not looking to get sued into oblivion, so the risk is just not worth the reward.
As you said, I don't really want any of this kind of proof to come to light. It would be so fucking life ruining and for what? If their hypothetical relationship really was mutually consensual then they weren't hurting anyone. They don't deserve that.
Regarding the possibility of abuse, I think that's a separate question. I don't really think anyone in fandom is naive to the realities of real world incest; actually what I see more often is people conflating incest and abuse as though they are inherently synonymous, which they aren't. Is non-abusive incest between close family members rare? Yes, very. But these kinds of relationships do happen.
Regarding Liam and Noel specifically, I can imagine that whatever existed between them might have been abusive incest. It's just not very fun to do so, so I usually don't. And for what it's worth, if that was what had happened, I think it's at least somewhat likely it would have come out by now. They were both very angry after the band split. I think Liam is far more likely to have been the victim in that situation, and I also think of the two of them he's more likely to come forward about it.
Like if you wanna get Bayesian about it, if they had an incestuous relationship it's more likely it was abusive than consensual. But I'm not really interested in statistical probabilities. I'm interested in what I can see and infer, which... whether or not sex was involved, that relationship was clearly fucked up, but I think it's more complicated than to say it was abusive.
Anyway thank you for answering my question! I'm also pretty keen to see how they act when they're on stage together, to see if the reunion is just business or personal too. The lack of interviews could be a bad sign in that regard, but on the other hand, it's not like they NEED to promote it when shows are selling out within minutes at price points that are actually criminal.
I find your Gallaghercest skepticism interesting and potentially useful; I tend to go all in on my rpf ships and then look back on them like "Wait did I really believe that?" Even though I believe now, I'm aware that might not hold long term. So I'm curious if there's anything short of them outright admitting it (which seems... very unlikely...) that would make you believe that something had really happened between them? And similarly, would anything convince you that their reunion is genuine?
Concerning the sexual stuff: Skeptic is my middle name. There is very little that could happen to ever make me go: "They did it, 100%!" Unless a sex tape gets leaked or one of them actually admits to it in a biography or a candid interview. Even then, as long as we were dealing with Liam, I'd probably still be asking myself whether he isn't just trolling.
I don't actually think either brother is going to admit to anything. Incest is too controversial as a topic, the ick factor too high. You can sell drugs as part of the rock'n'roll lifestyle and people will find it secretly cool. The same does not apply to a romantic/sexual relationship between brothers. Their reputation wouldn't survive that.
If I try to think of the kind of confession I might be able to believe it would be something along the lines of "well we did fool around a little because we were pretty messed-up and on drugs", i. e. something vague enough to spark some controversy and curiosity but not an outright scandal. But if they ever said anything like that, I'd probably take that as confirmation that a lot more went on.
Then there's of course the option that someone who saw something might use it for a money grab. It would depend on the circumstances, I guess, and on how believable their testimony is. But no one has come forward in all these years, and there's been no talk of settlements, so it would really surprise me if that happened.
The final option of a "reveal" (and believe me, I sincerely hope that's never going to happen) would be that one of the brothers accuses the other of abuse and/or coercion. The problem is, fandom lives in its sweet little bubble where we can treat incest like something that two people do consensually agree upon. We romanticize it in fiction and see as titillating. But the ugly truth is that where incest happens in real life, it's rarely genuine attraction and usually a byproduct of fucked-up family dynamics. That's something to keep in mind. So we should probably be careful what we wish for.
As for the question of what would make me believe that the reunion is real ... well, I guess, footage where they are genuinely affectionate and relaxed around each other, where they don't maintain that careful distance that was apparent in the promotional photoshoot. We know how they behaved in the past when they were close. I don't expect them to start making out on screen any time soon, but I think it will become obvious whether they're really at ease with each other and take pleasure in each other's companby, or just share a stage and nothing else.
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