#cardan greenbriar

[ekbelsher]

"I will lie down," he says, guiding me toward his enormous bed. Once there, he does not let go of my hand. "If you will lie with me."

The Wicked King Holly Black

[darlingod]

TCP Ch. 22 by Holly Black

TCP Ch. 25

Jude is so funny for scaring Cardan like this to get him to take her seriously. Sis was intentional leaving out the fact (at first) that Valerian was the one who came after her, and Cardan later realizing that is almost even funnier

[weebssecretattic]

So, I was reading QoN and for some reason I decided to search up what briar meant in flower language for funsies, and I was expecting something like appreciation or superiority or ""bow down the king is here" something cheeky and smug, cuz that's what cardan appears to be right? And-

I am DEVASTATED, either this was an abrupt cry for help from cardan if he grew them consciously and knowingly, OR the earth responded to his emotions and grew briars.

[xcruelprincessx]

at the end of the day it's always the one that tried to drown you in the lake 💗

[balladofareader]

Jude: I saw the letter with my name written all over it, I know you hate me and I do too

Cardan: Okay...if that's what you understood...

[myhyperfixationisbooks]

Cardan: you're ruining my reputation

Jude: then get off my lap

Cardan:*clearly upset*

Cardan: no

[thejudeduarte]

"When I allow myself to truly think on it, I cannot fault Locke for choosing her. I am violent. I’ve been poisoning myself for weeks. I am a killer and a liar and a spy. I get why he chose her. I just wish she had chosen me."

- Jude Duarte, The Cruel Prince (page 280)

[slarxsa]

Reminder that Madoc had beef with Valerian, Locke, Nicasia AND Cardan.

[jkriordanverse]

Cardan gets distracted by laser pointers. thanks for coming to my ted talk.

[swiftievolturra]

nicasia : cardan, Jude is trying to kill you

cardan: oh my God ! Yaaay! It’s finally happening!!!

nicasia: SHE IS LITERALLY TRYING TO KILL U!

cardan: what do you mean she’s trying to kill me? It isn’t a declaration of love?

[mxngieemanhaa]

"Do you remember in my maze garden? How I kissed her while you watched?"

"I recall that your hands were on her, but her eyes were on me."

[the-way-astray]

okay wait if you don’t mind me asking why don’t you like incorrect quotes?

anon, i swear this was not meant to be this long

my reasons are 100% subjective. over the years, i've dabbled in several different fandoms. and i find that the same incorrect quote format is used to describe relationships between characters in different series that i find to not be alike at all. for example, i've seen multiple of the same incorrect quote formats used for both percabeth and sokeefe, when i don't find the relationships to be that similar to one another at all. it's just that people see one dimension of sophie and annabeth (let's say smart) and one dimension of percy and keefe (let's say funny) and then the entire incorrect quote becomes about that. i find sokeefe and percabeth to be two entirely different relationships with few things in common (which i've talked about), but the incorrect quotes flatten them to those qualities only and i don't like that.

the sokeefe-percabeth thing is just an example, by the way, one i picked because i feel most people i'm talking to would understand it, but i've also seen the same incorrect quote formats used to describe relationships like jurdan or kanej . . . and if you've read tfota or soc you know how drastically dissimilar jurdan or kanej are to either sokeefe or percabeth (and each other). and i find that these indirect comparisons drawn between relationships like this flattens certain characters quite a bit. this is how we get stuff like "sokeefe is basically kotlc percabeth" and stuff like that.

then, once a character has been given a "role" (i use the term loosely) they have to occupy all the aspects that come with that "role". so then they're only allowed to be that "role" in the incorrect quote, even if the quote requires them to say/do things they would never say/do, because they've been slated into that role based on that one aspect. take this quote for example:

keefe has been slated into the role of "one that has a crush on sophie" for the purposes of this particular quote. but keefe doesn't ramble like this. he doesn't like his dad and would never discuss a crush on sophie with him (but this one i'm not that mad about since you could as easily change cassius to ro or something). he doesn't use exaggerated metaphors to describe things and he doesn't speak in purple prose. he does a pretty good job hiding his crush and would never inadvertently reveal it like this. do you see what i mean? because of the fact that the format requires him to be "one with a crush on sophie", he now has to fulfill all the other aspects the format requires, even though they don't apply to him. and it no longer feels like keefe. it flattens him down to this one aspect.

i feel like this flattening aspect of incorrect quotes does have a (very small, sort of indirect) effect on the way characters are perceived in fanon. and i don't like it? it's very weird to me. so i prefer to stay away from it. (best examples i can think of are cardan and kaz, who are both morally gray, but lots of incorrect quotes portray them as hopelessly in love with their love interests or malewives, and while that's true, them being slated into that role for the purpose of the incorrect quote often makes them out to be the kind that would doodle hearts around names in notebooks or blush or be in that sort of cutesy-teenager-with-a-crush kind of romance. and . . . uh . . . yeah, they love jude and inej, but that's like. not at all what either relationship is like. it's just not.)

also some incorrect quotes are so desperate to slate characters into certain "roles", as i call them, that they forsake crucial aspects of the character in the process, or actively make them do/say things that go against something that is a core aspect of that character. and i don't like the way the quote is willing to misinterpret something so crucial to the character for the sake of the incorrect quote exemplifying something much less important like "the funny one" or "the one with a crush on ___".

incorrect quotes also have a tendency to portray what a character actually wants to do, rather than how they would realistically behave, given the circumstances. take this quote (and ignore the weird anti-sophitz-ness for the moment, i'm trying to make a point):

in canon, it's kind of a point that sophie "isn't aware" of her crush on keefe, so to speak. she knows she has a crush on fitz. she may subconsciously want to kiss keefe, but remember, she thinks she likes fitz. so this incorrect quote just frustrates me because that's not what sophie would do!!!!!!! she would kiss fitz. actually, she would get all nervous and blushy and try to worm her way out of it. and if this is a post-stellarlune quote, and she knows she likes keefe, she wouldn't address fitz directly like that??? she would trying so hard not to look at fitz because omg omg omg i have to kiss my new boyfriend in front of my old boyfriend who appears to still not be over me. like the quote requires you to change fundamental aspects of sophie's personality/behavior to buy it. my analysis brain can't handle that. my problem is that i can't enjoy the quote for the quote, because my brain is always instead picking apart how un-character the incorrect quote feels.

having said all of that, i fully understand that anyone who likes incorrect quotes or engages with them frequently knows all this. i don't think you all are stupid. obviously keefe would never say something like that first example i showed in canon. that's understood! the point is to make fun of his crush on sophie. i get it. it's all in good fun. i just prefer not to engage with incorrect quotes because the flattening aspect makes me personally want to scream that the character would never do or say that, because at this point the character doesn't even feel like the character, so what even is the point of the quote anymore??? and then i get stuck in a loop.

and like i said in my original tags, i would never want to completely get rid of incorrect quotes. they're easy to make, fun, easily digestable, and in general sort of a safe way to get started in fandoms. they're the safety net of fandoms, and i think they really are crucial for smaller/more obscure fandoms where nobody wants to do hardcore analysis stuff but people still want to talk about their favorite media. so i think, for the purposes they fulfill, they're alright.

[xcruelprincessx]

Other book boyfriends: "Have I told you how beautiful you look tonight? 💕"

Cardan Greenbriar: "Have I told you how hideous you look tonight? 😏"

[kaipaedyn]

[myhyperfixationisbooks]

Cardan: I hate you.

Jude: You just saved my life!

Cardan: Finding someone else to hate is too much effort.

Jude: And keeping me alive at all costs isn’t?

Cardan: See, this is why I hate you. Nitpicking

[cloversjean]

Cardan: I bet you’d look adorable grasping the sheets on my bed.

Jude: no matter how many times you compliment me I’m not making your bed.

Cardan: *looks into the camera like he on the office*