#chryseis

[angevinyaoiz]

Rage!!!

[theodysseyofhomer]

kinda wild that the inciting incident of the iliad is about enslavement; specifically with chryses and chryseis about how it disrupts families and there's no recourse against absolute power unless the gods get involved. slavery is ubiquitous but not invisible. and yet the only reason it's so visible in this case is that agamemnon violates different social norms: he offends the gods and disrespects another warrior. in the world of the text, that's what he does wrong. that's it. if a priest of apollo weren't involved, chryseis would have died in argos like agamemnon says

[galusandmalus]

Iphigenia's weird adventures post sacrifice

i got a bit annoyed at how everyone goes with iphegenia death like she has some adventures post death and even post euripidies and generally other versions to the play first tho she fucking whack bro and we love her for it "For Iphigeneia asked everyone who was caught and brought to her to be sacrificed, what country they were from, and then she slaughtered them, because she wanted to learn about her father Agamemnon and his affairs, and what happened about the war with the Phrygians. The cowherds told her, “One of them called the other Pylades, but the name of his partner we don’t know. He didn’t say.” She told them, “What business is it of a cowherd at the sea?” They said, “We came to bathe the cows in the cool sea.” She sent Scythians, who caught them.

She examined his right shoulder blade and saw it had the Pelopeian stamp. She embraced Orestes, and ordered that his ships be brought on shore along with the sailors. Having beached the ships, they remained through the winter. When summer came, Orestes and Pylades took Iphigeneia and the solid gold statue of Artemis secretly and fled in their ships. They crossed over to the land of the Adiabenians. From there they came to the eastern Saracen border. They went up in the land of Palestine toward Trikomia [Three Villages]. The people in Trikomia noticed Iphigeneia’s priestly garb, and received her with honors. They stayed there, and Orestes was taken with madness there too. The Trikomitai built a great sanctuary of Artemis and asked Iphigeneia to sacrifice a virgin girl, whose name they would give to the village (kome). They brought the girl, whose name was Nyssa, and made the sacrifice to Artemis. They made a bronze statue of the slaughtered girl as Tyche. Iphigeneia called the city, which had been a village before, Nyssa, after the girl she had slaughtered, and made an altar for her. On it she wrote, “Accept the fugitives from Scythia, plant Goddess Nyssa,” which is still written there." "and opposite the channel of Mt. Silpe you will find a mountain named Melantion, where there is a great temple of Hestia. There put aside your rabid mania. Go there. What I said will happen.” Having been thus advised, Orestes noted it down"

"Orestes and his companions reached Syria. Disembarking, they asked where the Melantion mountain and sanctuary of Hestia were."

"Finding it, they went into the sanctuary. They made a sacrifice and stayed to sleep there. Orestes was delivered of his most cruel disease and left the sanctuary."

“On that mountain, in the sanctuary of the divine Hestia I put off the cruel mania. The Ionitai immediately made a bronze statue of him in that pose, when he was showing them, and stood it on a column to the memory and glory of the land and the sanctuary of Hestia. They indicated to those coming after where Orestes put off the rabid mania"-Malalas, Chronography

"Others say it is a chasm in Tauris, from which they say flame is brought, into which Iphigenia threw the ones being killed. "Feasting" refers to cooking and the killing of strangers in Tauris" "the Black One" either Persephone or Iphigenia" -Tzetzes, Ad Lycophronem

*after iphigenia among the taurians "Iphigenia, seizing the opportunity, took the statue, embarked with Orestes and Pylades, and by a favouring breeze was borne to the island Zminthe to Chryses, priest of Apollo" (he's the son of Chryseis and Agamemnon)

"Later, when Chryses was about to return Iphigenia and Orestes to Thoas, he [Chryses the Elder] learned that they were children of Agamemnon, and revealed to Chryses his [grand]son the truth—that they were brothers and that he was a son of Agamemnon. Then Chryses, thus informed, with Orestes his brother, killed Thoas, and from there they came safe to Mycenae with the statue of Diana.

To Electra, daughter of Agamemnon and Clytemnestra, a messenger came, falsely saying that her brother and Pylades had been sacrificed in Taurica to Diana. When Aletes, Aegisthus'son, heard that no-one of the race of the Atreidae survived, he seized the kingly power in Mycenae. But Electra went to Delphi to inquire about her brother's violent death. She came thee the same day that Iphigenia and Orestes arrived. The same messenger who had reported about Orestes, said that Iphigenia was the murderess of her brother. When Electra heard this, she seized a burning firebrand from the altar, and in her ignorance would have blinded her sister Iphigenia if Orestes had not intervened. After this recognition they came to Mycenae, and Orestes killed Aletes, son of Aegisthus, and would have killed Erigone, daughter of Clytemnestra and Aegisthus, but Diana rescued her and made her a priestess in the Attic land." -Hyginus, Fabulae

 "But I shall explain how this temple came into being. When Orestes had departed in haste from the Taurians with his sister, it so happened that he contracted some disease. And when he made inquiry about the disease they say that the oracle responded that his trouble would not abate until he built a temple to Artemis in a spot such as the one among the Taurians, and there cut off his hair and named the city after it"

"The disease continued to be as violent as before, if not even more so. Then the man perceived that he was not satisfying the oracle by doing these things, and he again went about looking everywhere and found a certain spot in Cappadocia very closely resembling the one among the Taurians. I myself have often seen this place and admired it exceedingly, and have imagined that I was in the land of the Taurians. For this mountain resembles the other remarkably, since the Taurus is here also and the river Sarus is similar to the Euphrates there. So Orestes built in that place an imposing city and two temples, the one to Artemis and the other to his sister Iphigenia, which the Christians have made sanctuaries for themselves, without changing their structure at all. This is called even now Golden Comana, being named from the hair of Orestes,” -Procopius, History of the Wars “There are two cities of this same name in Cappadocia, not very far apart, and they covet the same honours; for the stories they tell, and likewise the relics they exhibit, are the same in every case, including the sword, which each possesses, supposed to be that which belonged to Iphigenia. So much for this matter.”-Dio Cassius, Histories

[blue-lotus333]

Epic cycle/Trojan War characters as LPS's (pt 2)

Time for the ladies!

Helen of Sparta - Lps #870

Penelope - Lps #64

Cassandra - Lps #334

Andromache - lps #1211

Hecuba - Lps #466

Penthesilea - lps #807

Briseis - Lps #19

Chryseis - Lps #563

Clytemnestra - Lps #2249

Iphigenia - Lps #634

[sarafangirlart]

The only reason we think that slavery was considered “okay” back then is bc stories back then were mostly written by wealthy upper class men, who were one of the few ppl who were literate at the time. If slaves were able to read and write back then we’d get a very different perspective.

Just look at how enslaved women are portrayed in the Iliad, mourning and loving their captors and abusers, when anyone in that situation would feel relieved, even celebrate if it didn’t mean being given to new owners.

[nora-durst]

Chaos Walking by Patrick Ness ○∘◦ The Ask and the Answer (Book Two)

We just keep on having to save each other. We ever gonna be even? I hope not.

[joebloggshere]

Mythica: A New History of Homer’s World, Through the Women Written Out of It by Emily Hauser

Wow. So when I heard this book was coming out I couldn’t wait, it ticked so many boxes for me but I wasn’t actually near a bookshop on day of publication so decided to get the audiobook. All I’m saying is, now I’ve finished it, I’m also going to get a print copy so I can refer to it.

If you are interested in Homer, and/or mythology, and/or Ancient Greek history and/or gender studies and/or the recent novels reimagining the myths from the female characters’ points of view, then this book is for you. It has something for everyone. It really helps contextualise a lot of information.

Emily Hauser reads the book herself. But for me, the negative of the audio version is that Hauser quotes from other writers, but in the audio it’s not possible to know where or whom the quote is from.

Some other readers have said that Hauser is skewing the information towards females but as she says herself at the end of the book, every history written is subjective. On the other hand, this review from Goodreads nicely summarises my views on the book - https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/7461864082

Highly recommend.

[cinabre]

Dévastée par la perte de mon amie Patricia Lyfoung, autrice brillante et adorable. Elle va laisser un vide immense. Elle m'avait offert ce fan-art Candélabres il y a plus de 20 ans. Repose en paix ma douce.

Communiqué Delcourt

[dagondelrio]

Second poll for my book. I want to get a couple of points of views of multiple women on each side of the conflict.

[clouds-of-wings]

This band uses exclusively Latin lyrics. The first album will come out later this week.

Based on the 1st Book of the Illiad by Homer, PHEBEVS FVROR tells the story of the rescue of the Trojan girl Chryseis from the Greek King Agamemnon who had abducted her. Her father Chryses, the Trojan High Priest of Apollo was insulted by Agamemnon when he had come to ransom her, and he prays to Apollo for help. Apollo, enraged at the offense to his priest and abduction of his daughter punishes the Greeks, and assists Chryses in her rescue.

[galusandmalus]

*after iphigenia among the taurians "Iphigenia, seizing the opportunity, took the statue, embarked with Orestes and Pylades, and by a favouring breeze was borne to the island Zminthe to Chryses, priest of Apollo"

"Because of this Apollo destroyed almost all the army, partly by famine, partly by pestilence. And so Agamemnon sent back Chryseis, though she was pregnant, to the priest. Though she claimed to be untouched by him, when her time came she bore Chryses the Younger, and said she had conceived by Apollo.

Later, when Chryses was about to return Iphigenia and Orestes to Thoas, he [Chryses the Elder] learned that they were children of Agamemnon, and revealed to Chryses his [grand]son the truth—that they were brothers and that he was a son of Agamemnon. Then Chryses, thus informed, with Orestes his brother, killed Thoas, and from there they came safe to Mycenae with the statue of Diana.

To Electra, daughter of Agamemnon and Clytemnestra, a messenger came, falsely saying that her brother and Pylades had been sacrificed in Taurica to Diana. When Aletes, Aegisthus'son, heard that no-one of the race of the Atreidae survived, he seized the kingly power in Mycenae. But Electra went to Delphi to inquire about her brother's violent death. She came thee the same day that Iphigenia and Orestes arrived. The same messenger who had reported about Orestes, said that Iphigenia was the murderess of her brother. When Electra heard this, she seized a burning firebrand from the altar, and in her ignorance would have blinded her sister Iphigenia if Orestes had not intervened. After this recognition they came to Mycenae, and Orestes killed Aletes, son of Aegisthus, and would have killed Erigone, daughter of Clytemnestra and Aegisthus, but Diana rescued her and made her a priestess in the Attic land." -Hyginus, Fabulae

GOD I LOVE HYGINUS CAN ME MAKE HYGINUS THE MAIN GUY WE GET STUFF FROM NOW ON. do I even need to add more. in later versions thoas is trying to marry iphegenia against her will. Ok I guess I did add more. either way love it.

i swear there is a insane iphegenia retelling full novel out there waiting to be written and its not me cuz I'm mostly a perseus guy.

it would be kinda funny if Chryseis was telling the truth it makes sense since apollo favors orestes specifically and not Agamemnon obviously. which in itself is an interesting concept.

[bug-and-lamp-studios]

I’m abridging the Iliad with doodles~

[sarafangirlart]

what's your take on the "if it's not explicit, it didn't happen" or "well, the male character said he likes her" kind of interpretation when it comes to the rape of women taken as war prizes? lately i have seen the argument that agamemnon cannot have raped chryseis and cassandra because the text does not make this explicit and he praises both of them. i saw the same kind of argument with briseis and achilles using as an argument what he said in book ix about loving her the way menelaus and agamemnon love their wives

The thing is, slavery was viewed differently back in the day, ppl knew it sucked being a slave but they also viewed it as a normal natural part of life, ppl couldn’t comprehend a world without slavery even in Aristophanes’s The Birds the utopian Cloud cuckoo land still had slaves. The thing is you’ll see some instances of slaves being treated well by the “good guys” and treated badly by the “bad guys” (if you can even call them that but an example of a slave being treated badly by an antagonist is Dirce and Antiope).

Agamemnon and Achilles treating the women they keep as slaves “nicely” doesn’t mean that these women weren’t still very much slaves, or that they weren’t kidnapped or their families weren’t murdered, or even that they weren’t raped, sure you can water it down in a retelling (lord knows these women need a break and that times have changed and ppl nowadays won’t react positively to protagonists who own ppl) but these men still very much don’t really love these women especially with how Achilles nearly ditches Briseis.

That’s not even to mention how Agamemnon flat out refused to return Chryseis to her father even tho if he really cared about her he would, even Hades let Persephone go.

[lions-and-men-musical]

WIP wednesday! Troilus & Cressida

[kingbryancroidragon]

I really have to question having Achilles be Agamemnon's lieutenant in this adaptation. I've read that Achilles was fifteen at the start of the war, why the sideways ass would you make someone that young that you didn't meet until the beginning of the war your lieutenant rather than someone who has served you for many years?

[cinabre]

The girls I mean, the ghosts wish you a happy and prosperous new year.