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glitchstrikr · 29 days ago

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Here's a quick summary of it, no quoted evidence or anything, but something nonetheless.

What I said before was this:

"Maybe the Killcode attacks the virus, so in Moon (and Ruin especially) it combats the viruses affects on the individual (making Moon have a higher tolerance and Ruin be immune). But since Eclipse's source code is literally the killcode itself (like, it's his most base code) instead of helping him, it shuts him down. Probably because his source code is actively doing something besides letting him function. It's like fighting a 2 front war with only one set of troops, you gotta pick your battles, and in this case it's either it corrupts him by virus taking over, or it causes him to shut down, by his killcode doing something other than be his base code. Idk if that makes sense. I'm not great at explaining my thoughts."

ECLIPSE’S IMMUNITY? HEH. THE STAR!

I KNOW WHY ECLIPSE ISN’T BEING AFFECTED. EDD’S TEAPS RANT / THEORY

WORST PART ABOUT REMAKING A BLOG? LOSING YOUR OLD FUCKING RANTS. BUCKLE UP, I HAVE TO RE-EXPLAIN THIS. If you understand all the background context already, feel free to skip to the SECOND big red text!

Eclipse MIGHT still be soul bonded with The Star, and that is the exact reason he’s not reacting to the virus like anyone else. It’s EXTREMELY important to theorize about this because DAVIS WENT THROUGH A LOOTT OF UNNECESSARY WORK TO HIGHLIGHT “HEY! THESE AREN’T NORMAL SYMPTOMS.”

The Star isn’t active, he can’t use his powers - not because they diminished, but because he’s not in his original dimension. That doesn’t make the Star useless, it just takes away its power, and the ability for Eclipse to use magic.

Allow me to take you back, to OLD, OLD tsams. 2022.

Background Context:

If anyone wants to go hunting for these quotes to fact check, go for it. I just don’t have the episodes on hand.

Moon and Eclipse’s Singularity

Pre-split Sun + Moon. Eclipse doesn’t exist because Eclipse is Moon. I am coming to realize not many people acknowledge that. Most believe Eclipse is killcode, this is misinformation. He is only PART of killcode. He, in Moon’s code, is identified as “Malice” or “Moon’s Malice”. He is a personality trait, which is why his personality was so cramped and underdeveloped through V1. Because his code was so bare in separation, Sun’s code rubbed off on him giving him his body.

Birth of the Neuton Star

Moon discusses with other characters that the Star is essentially linked to the first person who uses it. They, and The Star, create a bond that can’t be severed. This, theoretically and by pure technicality, would’ve been Moon pre-split. That means Eclipse was present. They found the Star, a bare piece of energy, and added onto it with THEIR TECHNOLOGY AND KNOWLEDGE that made it a wieldable weapon.

HOWEVER, because of Moon’s lack-of ‘Star Power Incidents’ as far as I’ve seen, this means the Star wasn’t used upon creation. Instead, it was used by the first person who truly got their hands on it…Eclipse. By Moon’s logic, Eclipse is now bonded to the Star in a way that cannot be severed.

The Star is a repeating prophecy. It will be reborn over and over again over the course of a millennium or so. It will not have a full physical form after destruction, but Star Power itself is in everything and cannot be removed. Like the existence of existing itself. The Neuton Star (as Moon originally names it) will always be built upon and used. This is why Astrals exist, to protect that Star and keep it from the wrong hands.

Eclipse’s False Victory

2023-2024, Eclipse wins. He has the Star, he discovers and labels The Astrals, then after rotting by himself, he decides he doesn’t care anymore. Instead, he decides to let himself die. Until - he has an unexplained vision. A vision that Lunar will cause an Armageddon. He becomes desperate to warn, overtaken by a new purpose as he gets lured straight into an unneeded death trap.

Eclipse’s Death

Eclipse is obliterated. Moon, Solar, and Sun use a satellite to airstrike Eclipse and send him, and the Star, into oblivion. Eclipse reunites with Solar Flare in a place between life and death. Solar Flare reassures him it is over, there’s nothing left to do. Eclipse refuses at first, but slowly melts into frustration and regret.

Solar Flare walks off to enjoy death.

Eclipse stays.

This is important. Because he didn’t ever fully die.

Additional “Rocky-Road Idea”

We don’t actually know if the Star’s been obliterated. I say this because in the beginning of The Star’s existence, it was given to Montgomery Gator. At the time, Monty tried to break it and destroy it in every way possible. This included a BLACK HOLE experiment, and - fittingly enough, an airstrike experiment with a satellite from space. Whether the Star was ever destroyed in the first place is still a question I cannot answer.

Eclipse’s Resurrection

Eclipse is made to believe he is a carbon copy, a clone, NOT the real Eclipse. This is false. This has always been false. If you pay attention, you knew this was false already.

Eclipse wakes up after resurrection with no clues as to where he is, no reason to understand he’s alive, and has a SURGE of issues. He’s paranoid, his personality has been drastically damaged. He’s terrified, anxious, lacking of hate and focusing on answers.

He immediately knows who brought him back. Ruin. And he is DEAD SET on proving it, even after being called crazy. As if he watched it and forgotten it. He has no recollection of anything, his memories are jumbled at first. He reports it was “as if his memories were in third person”. Like the show. This means When Ruin built him, he originally programmed his memories in the same fashion Nexus tried to regain any while being New Moon. He imported all the episodes into his systems.

Yet, he’s traumatized. He’s reacting to issues that happened off screen. He remembers more and more as time goes on, no longer in third person, but in first. We can read discover this BECAUSE he has trauma responses. Nexus did not experience the years of trauma Moon went through, nor did he react to it. Eclipse did react to his own trauma. Often.

Eclipse has a surge of magic. He’s never been committed in any form to learn magic, he’s detested it numerous times. He’s only learned a few things - however, when he confronts the Creator, he instinctively uses it to shove The Creator away. Validly, both him and The Creator are surprised, but Eclipse shoves the issue away, never talking about it again.

As Eclipse moves into this new dimension, all his little “incidents” disappear. The Star is still present, but it is inactive. This is because of the blunt fact that Stars cannot be used in incorrect universes. By moving to a new universe, Eclipse is rendered as helpless as he always has been.

The Memory Of Star Power Theory

Because of all these little details, I came up with the theory that -

V4 isn’t a copy, he is, and always has been, the ORIGINAL Eclipse. I screamed about this for a WHILE. PAPERS! PAPERS! READ ALL ABOUT IT!!

I am currently calling it “Memory of Star Power”, but, the memory for water comes from Moana, basically saying “because water is a fluid that can take the shape of anything, it remembers the shape of everything that touches it.”

[Heavily theorized] When Eclipse originally died, the destruction of the Star caused a surge. Not in electricity, but in Star Power. Star Power exists everywhere, The Star is just a physical manifestation of it, and will always be the center point where Star Power is the most prevalent. This is how Eclipse originally tracked it down in 2022-2023. Suddenly exploding the main body can make the Star Power in the area almost suffocating - if it wasn’t as natural, or lively as oxygen.

The remnants of Eclipse, his memories, his DIMENSIONAL CODE, or even his SOUL dispersed with that power, roaming earth like oxygen without anywhere to go…until, a few months later, when Ruin creates his little side project(V4). The idle Star Power was aware of V4 as a work in progress created by Ruin because Star Power is omnipotent without a conscious. Simply because it exists everywhere, and remembers all that is.

Eclipse wasn’t “conscious” at the time, he was dead. But, that memory followed with him when the Star Power RETURNS to Eclipse’s body to find its rightful place…in that un-severable bond with Eclipse.

It is as if Eclipse himself has fulfilled the Rebuilt Star prophecy by BECOMING the Star - in an odd metaphor way, and a literal sense.

Why tell us this?

BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN RECENTLY, INDIRECTLY CONFIRMED TO BE CANON. Eclipse confronts Ruin about if he truly is just a carbon copy like Ruin has said he is. Ruin drops that - no. He never was. He was never a cheap copy to begin with. Ruin says if Eclipse had never died, he would still have turned out like this eventually.

This means that Eclipse was effectively revived from TRUE death. This is highlighted because no other character other than LUNAR has met TRUE DEATH and come back without some universe breaking rules. But…lowkey…Lunar ended up the same way - he was reborn as a Star. How…how interesting.

Now that you know THAT, what’s it gotta deal with the current Virus?

DAVIS HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT ECLIPSE ISN’T HAVING THE RIGHT SYMPTOMS. When people in the show share contradictory opinions, you have to cherry pick with some EXTREME critical thinking.

Ruin, someone DAVIS plays as, stares at the Virus’ symptoms that BELONG TO HIS CHARACTER - and says “That isn’t normal.”

Charlie claims The Virus acts differently for everyone. This is a direct combat against Ruin’s claim.

However, seconds later she contradicts her own claim.

Another thing to mention is that Ruin ISN’T being DUMB. He’s HIGHLY educated on this out of all things from sheer experience. He is lashing out in anger and desperation, but he is not allowing it to CONTROL him like we saw in his first lash out against Charlie.

He refrains from cussing, tries to convince, provide evidence, explain himself - he is not attacking Charlie verbally, trying to put her down, or anything of the sort. He is simply desperate because they are ALMOST at the finish line, and now everyone is backing out. Which, can be fatal.

Logistics break!

Ruin is objectively correct. Everyone CAN survive and then be cured AFTER being infected. Especially since Ruin is inherently immune and working on the cure. That is their current goal for the virus with MONTGOMERY GATOR. Once they have the cure, they can disperse it EVERYWHERE.

The main concern for everyone else is “what’s going to happen between now and then?” People could die, the world could end, permanent damage could be inflicted, and IS being inflicted AS WE SPEAK. Hundreds of people are losing their lives while Ruin is held them back from killing Monty at the beginning.

But, if they back out of making a cure now, if they decide to kill Montgomery, it’s not going to save everyone. In fact, it is far too late for that, because it can now be considered the end of the world. The virus has spread across the globe. There isn’t any way to “kill Monty and kill the rest” like a patient zero outbreak - because Montgomery Gator IS NOT PATIENT ZERO. RUIN IS. Whether that can now be applicable if we were to kill Ruin is up for debate.

The Virus now has MILLIONS of hosts. Once Monty dies, it will CONTINUE to spread. Ruin’s decision to make a cure was a fatal decision when Monty first came around, because then, they HAD a choice. They think they no longer do now because everyone is dying - but they aren’t realizing that they are about to choose a choice that NO LONGER EXISTS.

RUIN IS NOT ACTING IRRATIONALLY TO ACT IRRATIONALLY. RUIN’S CURE IS LIKELY THE ONLY REAL OPTION THEY HAVE ANYMORE. RUIN IS ACTING LIKE THIS BECAUSE HE HAS LIVED THIS EXACT SCENARIO BEFORE, AND KNOWS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

Ruin is very disconnected from humanity. He doesn’t WANT to see them die, but if it comes to it, Ruin would throw away the species to save something greater. He has before, and he will again. This stems from his years of brainwashing low-key. “Humans must die” and all that.

FINALLY. AFTER ALL THIS INFORMATION, HERE’S WHAT I CLAIM

The remnants of Star inside Eclipse is cancelling The Virus. Negatively.

The Virus gets into your head and essentially takes control of you, turning you into another person entirely, and sealing yourself away in the back of your subconscious. [Third time, Eclipse?] [sorry that was uncalled for] That “new person”, that SHELL, that ENDGAME of the Virus is what takes your memories, your virtual amygdala, and twists it around and heightens it like nothing else before. It will take things you are no longer dwelling on, and use it as a main motive.

The symptoms of the Ruin Virus goes as following: Intrusive thoughts, blacking out [typically engaging in violent activities], hysteria, irritability, verbal filter loss, and a complete loss in control of strong emotions [extremely dramatized, exaggerated, explosive, etc.]

However, Eclipse is having completely opposite symptoms.

Eclipse is seen to be irritable at the beginning of today’s episode [Eclipse gets CORRUPTED by the RUIN VIRUS in VRCHAT], and then his emotions subtly vanish. He has minimal reaction, zones out, loses a sense of awareness, but remains HIMSELF.

Roxanne in this episode becomes delirious. She becomes paranoid, senses heightened, having intrusive violent thoughts while she keeps a hold of her final-stage sanity - like we saw with Ruin’s Monty in older episodes such as Ruin’s HISTORY in VRCHAT [or the other one…it was a Nexus and Ruin episode where bro gets lobotomized…there’s only 2 of those episodes so it won’t be hard to find.]

Even before then, Roxanne was irritable, aware of everyone, and angered by such. Roxanne wasn’t herself, like she was stuck in a mindset focusing on nagging, nagging, nagging.

Ruin’s Monty was delirious, hyper vigilant, and extremely blackout violent. He didn’t become aware of what he was doing until it was done, though following the string of intrusive thoughts until he finally commits the act of killing people.

Ballora became irritable, aggressive, and violent. She isn’t necessarily black-out violent, but she’s clearly not herself. She became tunnel visioned, easy to distract and anger, and quick to violence.

Eclipse on the other hand becomes a complete statue - the OPPOSITE of what The Virus would do. It’s not the idea that Eclipse is just affected differently to quirkily contrast his already violent self, it’s a DIRECT RED FLAG.

Not to mention, Eclipse hasn’t LOST HIMSELF like everyone else. He is not lashing out, he is not using old anger, new irrational anger, or ANYTHING of the sort.

Eclipse is on ONE line of thought, the entire time. He does not become distracted, he does not huff out of anger - but desperation and realization. He continues to speak out his goal, what needs to be done, he does not give in to a mindset of violence and delirium. He is FULLY sane…while losing complete motor and thought control.

If The Virus was working PROPERLY, Eclipse would be the MOST FEARED to be infected, because he has the most experience in senseless violence. He would probably kill EVERYONE without a second thought. IF. THE. VIRUS. WORKED. PROPERLY.

But THE VIRUS. ISN’T. WORKING. ON ECLIPSE.

Think of it like a common sickness. You do not get symptoms from the virus itself, you get symptoms from the evidence that your body has RECOGNIZED a virus, and is ACTIVELY fighting it. Whether it is losing or winning is irrelevant.

When you cough, sneeze, vomit, or even HICCUP it is to REMOVE the infection that you are stuck with. It is a direct combat strategy your body puts into motion to expel your body of something foreign.

If you were to go into a COMA, it is because your body physically cannot heal with you being conscious at the same time. If you were, it’d worsen swelling and all sorts of problems. When you are advised to rest while you are sick, it is because it gives your body the chance to focus on fighting the infection. To continue to do things while your body is fighting will weaken your systems and often cause you disadvantages in the battle - which makes it worse.

The EXISTENCE of clogged Star Power inside of Eclipse - the DEFINITION of life ESSENCE - is ACTIVELY FIGHTING the Ruin Virus to see which can keep the body, considering Eclipse…in theory…may have possessed HIMSELF - DUE TO THAT RESURRECTION.

“One possession at a time, please!”

It is causing Eclipse to go into a stand-still comatose state while his body is fighting off the Virus as much as it can. Eclipse may not be ABLE to GET infected for all we know BECAUSE of this. We have yet to see if The Virus will eventually overcome The Star. If it does, will it turn him into a speechless zombie, or will it remain as Eclipse? Or, if The Star will overturn The Virus, Will it make him IMMUNE?

My personal thought is that he will be in a constant standing-coma.

Last thought off tonight’s topic.

Ruin is the virus.

Do we all remember this?

“Eclipse” [dead name] and Ruin are the same person, but are metaphorically two different people. “Eclipse” is the body “Ruin” resides in. “Eclipse” is a dimensional code along with a chosen name, but above all, who Ruin wants to be perceived as. Eclipse was a curious animatronic who looked forward to life, but the birth of “Eclipse” was also the birth of “Ruin”.

Ruin is Eclipse’s GIVEN name - by his Creator. Not because of some DLC or separation from other characters [well it may used to be but not anymore…] but because Ruin is the name of The Virus that Eclipse is MADE of. This is what makes Eclipse DIFFERENT from other Eclipse’s, Sun’s, Moon’s, etc. He is a rare phenomenon in which Ruin becomes a world-ending catastrophe. He is a global disaster.

The Creator names Eclipse “Ruin” to highlight his existence as a world killer.

That would be like naming someone with Leukemia “Leuke” as a nickname.

Ruin’s virus was used to kill humanity in his world…and they succeeded.

So, when I heard this

“The virus memorized the path to my brain.” “It’s learning.” - Eclipse

I had to think... “is it the Virus that’s learning, or is it Ruin?”

Ruin rebuilt Eclipse. Ruin knows his anatomy, but doesn’t know the others.

Charlie didn’t attempt to “push!” the others…so the instant-regeneration is debatable now. It could be The Virus mutating…or…

The Virus is reconnecting with Ruin. Patient Zero. The Original Strain.

Have fun with that! Let me know your thoughts and theories! :]

#eaps eclipse #eaps theory #ramblings #I also try to fix plot holes #And predict things to the best of my ability #I did predict somewhat that Eclipse would shut down #BUT #I thought it'd be voluntary

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itsahotminuteinbetween · 3 months ago

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okay everyone saying that eclipse is going to adopt solar flare as his fifth child and they're going to have a similar dynamic as the rest of his children-hear me out hEAR ME OUT-

Solar Flare knew Eclipse from Eclipse's second iteration. That was nearly two years ago. They were forced headmates for months. Solar Flare is probably on of the few people (second or arguably more than Lunar as well as Ruin) who actually understands the way Eclipse thinks.

Remember those interactions they had in that laboratory on the sun? Remember that last moment they shared before being blown apart in that alternate dimension? There's no way either of them forgot that. For Flare, that's probably one of the freshest memories he has of Eclipse. Being there and providing the comfort he could and assuring Eclipse that he understood his intentions and that he really could have been a better person if he'd wanted to be.

It's been two years. It's not the same Eclipse. That Eclipse had a star and a superiority complex and an inability to find a new purpose. This Eclipse has four children and a pet dog and a platonic co-parent friend and is quietly grieving over so many events that happened so quickly. And Solar Flare is such a stark reminder of the past for him. Someone who would have encouraged him to be better, someone who saw past the visions of grandiosity and found the person who just wanted to prove himself to be as capable as who he used to be. And he isn't that person anymore. It's been two years and two more iterations of himself and he is so tired of being what he used to be.

So I don't think he and Solar Flare would be a father-son dynamic. I think they're just two people on two opposite ends of time who crossed paths once and nodded in solemn understanding the second time. And this time, Eclipse is crossing paths, and Flare is walking with him.

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mercoolry · 3 months ago

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Okay so I made this a couple months ago when I was bored, I desperately needed something to post since my art block has been dragging me for like a month, so here’s an iceberg of weird/random/slightly disturbing tsams facts and theories n other stuff :D

(Sorry for the ugly lines around the texts, I was lazy)

Not all of them are canon or confirmed, some are speculated, and there’s a couple in the mix that are theories I found made by other people, eg Nexus’s manic episode (which is a theory I really like)

#lunar and earth show #the sun and moon show #eaps #laes #eclipse and puppet show #the security breach show #tsbs #tsams #tsams theory #security breach show #tlaes #tsams fanart

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everettethirlightt · 3 months ago

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Tsams Theory!!!

I think that Solar is the oldest sibling in the Celestials.

Solar's original dimension is in the past. In "Moon Meets Eclipse in VRCHAT" Solar asks him at 7:10 what year it is for him. Nexus/NM says that it's 2023, Solar says it's 2020 for him.

All Eclipses are apart of Moon's code, so Og Eclipse and Og Moon are both 25(based on their voice preferences) or canonically 8.

Moon said In some reaction video that he and Sun had been in the same body 5 years before separation/the show.

BUT Solar is from three years before them, so wouldn't he TECHNICALLY be the eldest? He'd be 28 (canon is 11).

For Lunar, he wasn't apart of any code. (Aside from being inside Moon's head.) Eclipse MADE him as a distraction. He wouldn't be 5+ due to that.

So the ages of all the Celestials(based on when first seen in the show if not given info) should be:

Solar - 28 or 11 (What if ECLIPSE isn't EVIL!? in VRCHAT) February 2, 2023

Moon and Sun - 25 or 8 (Sun and Moon REACT to GLAMROCK FREDDY GOES TO PRISON! - Zamination Animation) March 24, 2022

Lunar- late 20 or early 21 or 2-3 (Eclipse CORRUPTS MOON with a VIRUS in VRCHAT or Moon's has an Alternate Personality!? in VRCHAT) August 11 or August 12, 2022

Earth - Early-mid 20 or 2 (Earth SAVES Sun in VRCHAT) March 31, 2023

#sun and moon show #lunar and earth show #laes #tsams #eaps #eclipse and puppet show #eaps eclipse #solar sams #sun sams #moon sams #earth laes #lunar laes #tsbs #theory #Ik that lunars is spelt wrong #That's how it actually is

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sabrondabrainrot · 8 months ago

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Time for another Theory Boys! I wanted to post stuff on my Bday but I got busy so I'll do my birthday stuff later. I have to get this theory off my chest before I forget about it or worse someone else comes up with it before I have a chance to send it.

This theory will include spoilers from the most recent eps, "Moon's NIGHTMARE encounter while hunting for Dark Sun", "Sun, Solar, and Moon FACE THEIR CONSEQUENCES...", and "Sun is forced to make A DEADLY CHOICE". So I'm putting this below a spoiler bar. I will also be going into MASM spoiler territory, "Sun begins his VILLAIN ARC with Eclipse". Will also be mentioning LAES "Dark Star HUNTING in VRchat". Just a little disclaimer my theories and stuff are just my own observations and me putting together my thoughts and ideas so they usually aren't super accurate to what is really happening buy I do find a lot of enjoyment doing this. That said, on with the brainrot!

So this Theory starts at the ep, "Sun is forced to make A DEADLY CHOICE", in this episode Sun has to make a heartbreaking decision to kill Nexus and defend his current family or let Nexus kill Moon so he can maybe try to still save Nexus. The entire episode is punctuated by Dark Sun doing an ultimatum with Sun. He freezes time and pulls Sun away to the purgatory dimension. Something interesting I want to point out, this is the CANON purgatory place in TSAMS and the multiverse. Vegeta was sent there on request and met several deceased characters. That place symbolizes people who couldn't make decisions in life and are now stuck in the past, unable to move on even in the afterlife. The only person in purgatory that doesn't belong is Solar Flare and with his case he became a guardian that help guide people when they're not suppose to be there. Back to the encounter, Dark Sun pulls Sun to this place in a very trippy sequence where he presents Sun's choice in a very black and white manner. "It's going to be you one way or another." Dark Sun says in response to Sun's stuttering mess of a reply, he proceeds to follow up with "Inaction is still a choice" Sun of course, is opposed to this but Sun adds interesting lines, "Regardless of this, I win." "You let Nexus kill Moon and I'll get that data and I'll expunge it everywhere" "You kill Moon and I'll collect that data and expunge it everywhere." So at the end of the day he needs some kind of decided code where someone willingly chooses/wants to kill Moon. He also said, Nexus is Moon. So killing Nexus coding wise is the same as killing Moon.

Once Sun caves and makes the decision to finally kill Nexus, Sun, while in tears, asks D!Sun "Who are you really?" In this soft, tiny voice. And D! Sun replies, "I'm Sun, I'm every Sun you've ever met. That you ever will meet. That you've never met and never will meet. I'm You, I'm Me. I'm Sun. Goodbye, Sun. I hope we never meet again, I hope you have a good life too." Then he vanishes from the purgatory place right in front of Sun.

Then the episode ends with Sun finally putting a stop to Nexus. Something very important I notice and that's a theme in TSAMS is identity. Identity is a huge role in everything and usually, when someone is affirmed and very solid in who they are, then it's usually not the case. Earth believed she was the Creator's beloved daughter. Sun believed he was nothing more then the idiot to Moon's genius. Moon believes himself to be an irredeemable monster. Most importantly, Eclipse believes himself to be Moon. If D!Sun says he's a Sun....I just don't really know at this point? When he summoned Sun and paused time he took him to the purgatory afterlife. The thing about that is, Sun never physically left the strange star-powerless dimension pocket D!Sun owns. So one can assume it was Sun's mind or Soul that was drawn there for the conversation. So then I ask, why was D!Sun using the Eclipse v1 mode? The Sun glow model has always been associated with Eclipse v1. I know that in recent eps it's been used to tell Sun's apart however, in the purgatory place would they really need to be physically distinguished? We the audience know who is who. So, in the place where it's their souls, why was D!Sun's Soul physically different from Sun's? Coincidence? Visual distinction? I think this is possibly a case of an Eclipse thinking he's a Sun. I WANT for Dark Sun to be a Sun, I think it's just chilling and haunting. The two most OP villains in the entire franchise happen to both be offshoots of Sun? Ruin is arguably far more Sun then Moon and of course Dark Sun has caused the most problems behind the scenes. But I do think it's interesting how he put it, how can he truly be EVERY Sun if he needed OUR Sun's decision to kill Moon? He could just use his own hatred for Moon. Or just use Nexus, why even make/give Sun the chance to grow and defend himself?

Remember back when we found out it's canon Moon bullies Sun's in all dimensions to get them to 'grow spines' and in a way, Eclipse' also treat Sun's poorly in the hopes Sun gets tougher?

We for canon know of 4 variants of Eclipses, the 4th being the rarest in the multiverse. The first Eclipse variant is the one we first meet, the Eclipse born from Sun and Moon's split. Moon leaves a killcode string in Sun which eventually grows into Eclipse. Eclipse in this version identifies as Moon.

The second variant Eclipse is 'ruin Eclipse' or the eclipse that resembles the games. Born from the two Sun and Moon AIs being fused. We've seen this version in PuppetMaster's dimension and of course with Ruin. He doesn't see himself as Sun or Moon, but as an entirely new existence. The third variant is unique to MASM. He's the original DCA model for the world but was turned off for bad coding and a far too violent nature. He's kind of like a cartoon villain and just wants revenge on everyone.

Then there's the 4th variant, Solar Eclipse. He's the first Eclipse but instead bonded with his Sun and changed for the better. He wasn't isolated and was given Sun's unconditional love. He does identify as Moon at first too but chose to let go of his false identity and hatred because he got the thing he wanted, even if he lost it far too early in his existence. So back to D!Sun...I propose what if he's a variant of Solar Eclipse? It was stated Solar is so unique he's the only inherently good Eclipse in the multiverse...but how can that be true? How can there really only be one Solar, especially when Cringe dimension (our dimension's parallel) also has their own Solar? I think there's a type of Eclipse we haven't seen yet. The Eclipse that identifies themself as a Sun.

I'm also excited to see where D!Sun's story goes because he also mentioned he was changing skin soon. It'll be interesting if they ever find him again. So moving past this, more speculation.

In today's most recent ep, "Moon's NIGHTMARE encounter while hunting for Dark Sun", he stumbled upon a dimension with a 'discrepancy' and when visiting the discrepancy he was greeted to a new Sun beating a lifeless Moon's corpse into powder. This Sun was a crying sobbing mess but would not stop almost like he was possessed. He even started trying to attack our Moon. What's interesting about his 'discrepancy' Sun is he seemed to have a nightcap and had sparkling rays. I can't tell if this is a simple different dimensional appearance or maybe the code D!Sun scattered affected that sun's appearance? However, it's interesting that Sun being violent to Moon is considered a dimensional discrepancy. Moon ended the episode by walking off with Solar to get a sandwich while his new AI runs a dimensional scan for Sun on Moon violence and it ends by it saying "35% of discrepancy's found." This means we're now encountering an EVEN BIGGER effect then what Ruin did when he deleted entire dimensions to kill the creator counsel. Not really sure how the code Dark Sun is spreading works, but it's clear it's making every Sun hate their Moon's now. We don't get the context on why Sun hated his Moon and felt the need to protect himself, because at the end of the day that sparkling nightcap wearing Sun still had a reason to act. He told out Moon, "He was going to kill me, he was going to replace me" and Moon looked closer to determine that this new unknown Sun wasn't possessed by a killcode or anything similar.

D!Sun has seemingly broadcasted into the multiverse the ability for Sun's to now stand up for themselves. They will now choose murder if it means to protect them.

We know when Dark Sun told Sun "All Sun's die eventually to their Moon." He meant it, however, just because D!Sun was being honest doesn't mean that's the truth. He might truly believe all Moons are evil and destined to kill their Sun's however we've seen plenty of dimensions where Sun and Moon peacefully exist. So D!Sun is now just turning every Sun slowly with time into murders. He wanted revenge on Moon and is now using every Sun as the weapon to do it. I'm really interested to see how this will affect the story going forward. Now I would also like to bring up Moon and Sun Minecraft lore, in the most recent lore episode, "Sun begins his VILLAIN ARC with Eclipse", the entire episode centers around Sun finally quitting because the abuse of all his coworkers is too much. He finally quit and ran into Eclipse and had to prove how evil he is so he kidnapped Bonnie only for the entire thing to flop in a Phineas and Ferb reference. (It was funny ngl) The ending was interesting to me though. Moon found Sun on the roof of Evil Inc. and apologized to Sun, a really shitty apology I will add, and Sun didn't accept it.

Sun is continuing to stand up for himself. We've seen before in TSAMS and other dimensions Sun will accept an apology no matter how unbelievable it is. The only ones so far to truly stand up for themselves now is MASM Sun and EAPS Sun (which EAPS Sun still doesn't really stand up for himself)

I'm curious to see how this code works because it seems like D!Sun harnessed it from Sun's very soul. I know Sun on record has said he doesn't believe he has a soul but it's been dis-proven because you need a soul to use magic. The Devil from the Bible even stated they do in fact have souls he plans to one day collect.

We also know now that the Cringe dimensions' Moon now identifies as Nexus so he might escape a fate of that Sun killing him? I think Cringe Sun actually knows far more then he will ever let on. I think he knows more about Sun's magic in general. He didn't want to teach EAPS Sun despite knowing how.

EAPS Sun might be the only Sun so far to be actually interested in learning magic but when he describes what he wants to do it mostly sounds like stage magic? He mentions he just wants ✨sparkles✨

I think we'll need to keep our eyes peeled because I think now every Sun will be affected by what Dark Sun is spreading and slowly turn more violent towards Moon's as time goes on.

Anyways!

I will add more, so another theory I have is Nexus is not dead. Dark Sun himself promised to Nexus he'd help him become a god and recently there was a deal he made where Nexus has to do whatever he wants and says. Plus, part of D!Sun's plan was to have Nexus fight Taurus to gain a new level of power. Nexus' evolved in his NSP use thanks to that confrontation. Up until then, D!Sun wasn't ever actively interfering or encouraging Nexus with his NSP use. He only once came in to mention maybe he should purge the excess NSP or it would kill him. After his failed kidnapping attempt of Sun, he was more active in his plans and how he directed Nexus. Then we see Nexus getting stronger from this direction. Next thing we know is Nexus kidnaps Moon and now we have the ultimatum which was exactly what D!Sun wanted. Either way, he wins, right? Nexus either becomes a god by listening to D!Sun's plan or by using Sun as an AI chip to hunt down shards. Something really important in my own guess/theory that Nexus is we still saw his corpse when Solar, Sun, and Moon walked past him in the flashback during the ep, "Sun, Solar, and Moon FACE THEIR CONSEQUENCES...", He wasn't totally gone. Dark Sun can easily revive Nexus but here's what I think is really going on. In the recent LAES ep "Dark Star HUNTING in VRchat" Gemini dropped some really important information. NSP will eventually turn into SP. Whenever SP and NSP interact it creates life. Sun as we know, has SP and I theorize that Sun killed Nexus by mixing his magic and SP. After all, the way Nexus was acting as he was dying was interesting...He sounded like he was...melting? I don't know how to describe it. Sun's magic as we know is unique. It's altered reality and changed lifeforms. Those magic plants Solar, Moon, and Monty were dealing with were due to Sun's magic. @goodolddumbbanana pointed out to me that Sun's magic was the cause of those plants. They also pointed out to me when I was asking about what D!Sun was doing in Sun's home and touching all of Sun's things they theorized that D!Sun was harvesting Sun's magic. (I'm gonna make an actual theory post about this later too with Banana, stay tuned ;) )

So back to NSP and SP. Nexus is similar to Lunar in terms of narrative. He feels he was used and left the one using him for a better place. Eventually, the one he felt that used him the most killed him in a fiery explosion with only a little bit left behind.

In a lot of stories, especially ones where someone goes from mortal to an immortal-godlike being they usually need to die. There's power in the act of rebirth. Nexus' and Lunar's stories resemble that of the phoenix.

Rebirth through flames to achieve and almost immortal existence.

So this isn't me grasping at straws I truly think Nexus will come back and be a being similar to Lunar. I think Dark Sun is going to rebuild him amongst the stars to have his own personal Astral for future use.

So those are my current most theories! I hope you all liked my yapping. Please let me know what you all thought about :>

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llamaisllama777 · 10 months ago

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You wanna know a kinda dumb theory I have about TSAMS and EAPS

WHAT IF SUNRISE

(The EAPS' Sun IS Dark Sun from the past!)

Yes, dumb theory I know... BUT HEAR ME OUT!

This Sun appears to some knowledge when it comes to tech related things, seeing as how he juryrigged the lightswitch, to not turn off the lights. (Dark Sun is very smart)

He dislikes his Moon. (But to be fair, most Sundrops probably do. This isn't exclusively a Dark Sun thing.)

And it's no secret that Puppet and Eclipse have not made the best impression on him. (They did force him to make a life or death choice within the first couple of days of meeting him.)

And he's now being forced to share his body with Moon. (He may see this as them taking away his freedom)

This could all lead to Sunrise snapping and becoming Dark Sun. But I hear you. "Llama, They dimension traveled not time & dimension travel." And you are probably right. (I did say this was a dumb theory but also possible one.)

But we know very little about this universe as well as Dark Sun's universe. What if when Ruin did all this dimensional "purification" stuff, it cause a rift not just in dimensions but time! I mean, there is a possibility that happened too. dimensional stuff and time stuff are probably closely in-twine. What if this "new" dimension is actually Dark Sun's universe before he became Dark Sun and that Puppet and Eclipse's interference and influence will cause him to become Dark Sun!

It also kinda feeds into another theory I have that the TSAMS and ALL TSBS are stuck in a time-loop (This is based off something Dark Sun mentioned in the Monty and Foxy show in the episode where Dark Sun visited Foxy, and off a comment on that video)

Tl;DR Puppet and Eclipse not only dimensional traveled but time traveled into Dark Sun's universe and will cause Sunrise to snap and become Dark Sun.

Is it dumb theory? ... yes. Is it full of holes?... ya.

Does it feel like something the show would do? Also, YES!

But hey, that's just a theory...

A TSAMS THEORY!

THANKS FOR READING!!!!

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sock-n-roll · 4 months ago

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It is mat pat o clock EaPsfans of Tumblr.

Possible spoilers for anyone who isn't up to date under the read more :3

So. Eclipse may or may not have a mole. Someone who is able to access his computers, someone who can communicate with Vincent, someone trying to throw eclipse off the trail.

First guess would of course be Roxy. She attacked Eclipse before, and she's a new character, she's kinda the loose end. But I don't think that's true.

Here is my theory. I think it's Andrew. Not to be confused with Andy, the one with Jake currently. But Andrew the ghost kid.

We still don't know how he got away from FC, since before he could barely leave the room FC was in, much less travel across dimensions away from him. He was alone with the Mimicked eclipse and the Stitchlings (Jake and Andy) for almost a month, knowing most of the time that wasn't Eclipse. He almost died during that time. A couple times. He got sent away, he got pushed around, he might have been the Stitchwraith before, but he is technically a kid. And he was clearly scared.

On the other hand, he was the Stitchwraith. Half of it at least. He's smart, and confident. If William came to him with an offer of his own freedom, his chance at living again, why wouldn't he take it? He'd probably think he could worm his way out of it. Plus, he's growing desperate for his own body. Its been months now, people have come and gone, and he's still stuck as a ghost, unable to have any effect on the world around him.

Andrews touch aversion makes me a bit suspicious as well, he's mentioned multiple times recently that he can't be touched, and maybe I'm just looking for things, but it being brought up again and again makes me hesitant. Maybe he can, and he's just hiding it. It could also tie into the voice change, even if I know logically that's just Davis taking over that character.

This is especially hard with how close him and Charlie have gotten, if it is him, this is going to hurt a lot. Whether Charlie accepts Eclipse as her dad or not, they're siblings and I love them dearly.

Regardless of what happens I'm so obsessed with the eclipse and puppet show right now and I can't wait to see where Flora and Davis take it. :3

#security breach show #eclipse and puppet show #eaps charlie #eaps eclipse #eaps andrew #fan theories #eaps theories #helios rants again

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glitchstrikr · 2 months ago

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Eclipse is already worried he'll be affected quicker than the others due to his violent nature (he's literally a line of living Killcode. I can't blame him for that. He's trying his best.)

What if he does disable himself, in a way he can't fix by himself (effectively putting himself in a waking coma), and then doesn't loose it first. In fact, he keeps his sanity almost entirely. Sure, it's an extra annoying set or urges, but he's still able to think, he's not so gone he's trying to kill everyone or at least desiring to do so. And he realizes that his current state means everyone registers him as already dead. So he's not targeted at all.

He probably purposefully did this in a less trafficked area, not even in his lab (because that's the first place they'd look for him). No, he does this in the back room, behind the Fazcade, where he was trapped a year ago by Ruin. No one would look for him there; no one goes back there, and surely Ruin would write this place off as somewhere he'd never willingly hide in. So now he's just stuck, either sitting bored in the mindscape or watching the world immediately around his body. And he has to watch as his friends pass him by (patrolling for a target, checking all the little nooks and crannies), each one in progressively worse shape, until one of them ends up collapsing in front of him. Dead from injuries made by another. And he can't help them. They're too far gone to even bother.

#eaps eclipse #Ruin virus #eclipse and puppet show #sams eclipse #virus #fan theories #What I thinks gonna happen #Maybe.#It's a really angst scenario.#Also it's so long I had to put it into two posts. Wow.

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pinkydee10 · 7 months ago

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Puppet: The mimic might be coming here soon.

Me: *literally drops fork* So Lefty’s gone for a while, then when he shows back up he all of a sudden wants Puppet gone…HOLY SHIT

#fnaf #five nights at freddy's #five nights at freddy's security breach #fnaf security breach #the eclipse and puppet show #eclipse and puppet show #eaps #teaps #sams #sun and moon show #the sun and moon show #tsams #thats just a theory #a game theory

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lexproductions08 · 5 months ago

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I think I know one of the songs Eclipse sings✨🥳

YO so I think I figured out one of the songs Eclipse sings when he’s muttering to himself. In “Lunar’s Truce with Eclipse” on LaES right as Lunar walked in to talk to Eclipse, he was muttering words that were pretty clear, so I looked them up and I got “Kick in the Door” by Notorious B.I.G. The time for the song is about 4:20 where the lyrics match up!!! The only thing is the tempo doesn’t match up. But seriously check it out thoughhh👌😆

#eclipse and puppet show #eaps eclipse #I need to start posting other things than just Eclipse #fan theory #funny

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immortaledd · 2 months ago

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IS ECLIPSE ALREADY INFECTED BY THE RUIN VIRUS?????

A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF A SCENE + ANALYSIS + THEORY

[EPISODE: RUIN’S PLAN TO SAVE MONTY / MAY 6TH 2024]

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Something I’ve always managed to do throughout watching TSAMS…TEAPS..TSBS… I know when Eclipse is acting off. He seemed…a little off in today’s episode. Though…it’s iffy. It’s not “off” because he still seems in-character for the most part. But he’s a little less logical than normal? He’s jumping to the gun to fire first which…is and isn’t odd. (Basically, this is me shooting in the dark.)

Eclipse was VERY adamant on killing Ruin’s Monty. That Montgomery’s goal is to spread the Ruin Virus and wreak havoc upon the TEAPS universe. We know that Eclipse is…not SPITEFUL towards Ruin in any way. He’s not choosing this path out of anger against Ruin. He favors him, if anything. We even saw it when Ruin was KIDNAPPED. Eclipse was the first to try to hold him back and warn him. Along with that, Ruin has just always been patient with Eclipse and at his side in moments needed.

So, what does that mean?

It means Eclipse has an ulterior motive. No, not a “hahaha I’m a bad guy” motive, it means he has a motivation to kill Monty that is more important to him than Ruin’s motive to save him.

He also seemed more aggressive in this video. Almost like he’s relapsing to V1.

[Side claim, I refer to Eclipse as V1-4 due to personality changes and growth in character. He has always been the same eclipse. I have argued this for a LOOONG time.]

[7:11] “I give you a chance to prove yourself and you turn your back on me?!” [Eclipse]

Along with yelling at everyone, insulting them, etc.

YES, this is “typical Eclipse behavior”, but it is so subtly more emphasized than it used to be. It’s just more relevant than normal - that it feels uncanny.

[3:40] “The virus…makes you…angry! It makes you aggressive, it makes you violent.” [Ruin]

Interesting description.

NOW, NOW. I MIGHT BE GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF. I STILL HAVE THE CHANCE TO TRIP AND EAT SHIT.

However.

This scene is what intrigued me most.

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🔅= ECLIPSE DIALOGUE

🦊🍼= FC DIALOGUE

FC approaches the counter Eclipse stands behind as everyone else leaves to calm down.

🔅: “Am I really getting a lecture from you?”

Eclipse has stuck with his idea to kill Ruin’s Montgomery no matter the cost - to prevent disaster asap. But the team to save Monty is bigger.

🦊🍼: “you. suck.”

🔅: “Really? Is that your big comeback?”

🦊🍼: “Yep. That’s all. Goodbye.”

FC leaves the room,

🔅: “Oh, ffffuck off.”

Eclipse is left by himself at the counter, pondering to himself.

He’s “sighing” to himself. A mix between groans, or a struggle to recollect his breath.

🔅: “Sometimes I imagine—” He trails off, it’s incoherent.

. . .

🔅: “I maybe have two months before all this starts to…spiral out of control.”

🔅: “By then…I don’t even know if I’ll be here.”

🔅: “Or maybe I’ll lose my mind quicker.”

HE SEEMS FULLY AWARE HE’S INFECTED IF I AM RIGHT. EVERYTHING ELSE I TALKED ABOUT? LITTLE DETAILS…LITTLE HINTS.

He’s angry at everyone for whatever their option is.

He’s getting aggressive by yelling at them.

He’s getting violent and focusing that energy onto Ruin’s Monty…to KILL HIM.

BUT ECLIPSE IS ANRGY, AGGRESSIVE, AND VIOLENT.

If I’m WRONG, I’m WRONG.

If I’m RIGHT…DAVIS IS MAKING ECLIPSE BE THE FIRST TO GO BECAUSE HE WILL BE THE HARDEST TO FIGURE OUT UNTIL IT’S TOO LATE! THERE’S WOOL BEING PULLED OVER OUR EYES AND IT’S PURPLE AND LAGGY.

THEY’VE TAKEN OUT RUIN. ONE OF THE SMARTEST PEOPLE THERE.

Of COURSE THEY WOULD TAKE ECLIPSE NEXT. This is what the MIMIC DID. WHICH. HEY! STILL AROUND.

THEY’RE PLAYING US FOR FOOLS!

BUT I. AND I ALONE. SEE THROUGH IT.

SEE THROUGH MY EYES AND REVEAL THE TRUTH TO YOURSELF.

okay im losing it. Have fun with this theory! Feel free to debate, theorize, etc! :]

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