#helluva theories

[cute-little-fly]

You know the saddest thing about Stolas is that no one at the either side of the hierarchy liked him. He was ostracized among royals due to Stella and also because he never truly embraced their classicist beliefs. He might parrot things he’s heard without thinking but doesn’t believe them. Then among the lower class demons they just hate him because they just see him as another royal who looks down on them similar to how Blitzø saw him at the beginning.

Yes, I feel you.

He is an outcast in his own circle and sadly the rest of the hellborn society see him as they see any other royal… and now that he doesn’t have powers, they are using him as an expiratory lamb. Is sad to watch.

I really want I.M.P. to adopt Stolas as one of their own and not just Blitzø in Season 3 ❤️ that would be awesome for him. He needs more people standing up for him. I also like how they are teasing another trial happening in Season 3 and how this might change public opinion with Andrealphus also being horrible at what Stolas did before.

[rhiandoesfandom]

Millie thoughts:

I have seen many people theorizing that Millie and Blitz met way before him and Moxxie, with how they feed off one another's rapport so well. And I rly hope we get that scene in ghostfuckers where we see how they did meet.

But I think I know what happens in between them meeting and Blitz/Moxxie meeting. We know that both Blitz and Millie are pretty ruthless. And how they fight one another even in the ghostfuckers scenes shows that.

What if once they were friends, they started a pre-version of IMP before Moxxie?

Blitzo says in the episode with Crimson that they "don't do that no more" in terms of killing ppl in hell. So did he and Millie have a small hit business partnership before IMP?

OR that's how they met and they both had hits on one another. Honestly that'd be hilarious.

[annachum]

What happened during the wedding plans of Stolitz wedding:

. Stolas and Blitz got engaged on the retrial day, under the blessing of Lucifer. Stolas literally got down on one knee in front of Blitz IN FRONT OF ANDRE AMD STELLA AS THEY RECITE THE ENGAGEMENT SEAL WITH THE ASMODEAN CRYSTAL TOGETHER.

. And that nearly caused Stella to have a heart attack due to rage

. And then soon after that Luci had Andre beheaded and Stella to rot in black hole prison

. Anyway, the next 6 months of the wedding plans are in quite a tizzy- tailoring of the wedding armory, Blitz, Barbie Wire, and Loona being trained in royal court matters, Moxxie and Millie being trained by Blitz to take over IMP, Moxxie and Millie raising their baby daughter, etc

. But everyone agreed to go at an even pace. The wedding plans take place just after the retrial and everyone is TIRED, so everyone else takes time offs to rest

. Via is eagerly involved with the wedding plans. She gets to witness a true love wedding that she's been praying for for Stolas and Blitz since the Bloodstone wedding crash!

. The date was set at 1st May btw.

. Anyway, the IMP gang began to regularly visit the Hazbin Hotel and made many new friends there. Stolas' sibs sometimes visit there too. The Elders limit themselves to visit the Morningstars there for political meetings and such...and the big galas Lucifer often hosted there.

. The wedding was such a momentous occasion- a bunch of royals and civillians from across Hell showed up, and Lucifer officiated the wedding ceremony

. And Loona walked her dad down the aisle on that day. Bless

. Blitz gets knighted as a Prince Consort by Stolas, and he gets nrw thunderstorm powers that day

. And thus, Barbie Wire and Loona became new Princesses of Hell thru that

. The wedding reception has a bunch of ABBA and glam rock stuff, lots of singing and dancing and everyone having a blast

. Tho Stolas' parents did spend some private romantic moments alone, away from the merriment of the festivities

[helluva-shit-show]

Hey so like...can sinners have kids with hell-borns? Because sinners are locked in the pride ring, but hell-borns aren't, so would the hybrid kids have issues traveling between rings?

Is the "sinners are locked in the pride ring" thing a law that can be physically broken, or is there some magic shit going on there? Is it a spell? Is it a natural occurrence that when sinful humans die, they go straight to pride and are naturally bound to it?

It's not super relevant to Helluva Boss, we've only seen a handful of sinners as clients for IMP, but I am curious about the idea of sinner hybrids, because I'm still not buying that Blitz is 100% imp, but so far he also doesn't look like any of the other hell-borns.

Pride - the Morningstars, Goetias, Avian demons

Wrath - Imps

Gluttony - Hellhounds

Greed - Skeleton jesters (possibly loan sharks?)

Lust - Succubi and Incubi

Sloth - Candle-heads

Envy - Ichthyoid demons (possibly loan sharks?)

It's also really strange that the "angels/exorcists" have his horns, though they look too robotic for me believe hybrids with them are possible.

[triple-moon-rp]

//I saw the question about kids in Hell go around and I felt like putting my two cents in

//Honestly, it's something that has been debatable for a long time because most people are not really comfortable with the idea of kids suffering regardless of what they've done. There's not alot of consistency there to be found since not everyone can agree. Same thing goes for what is a sin and what isn't.

The show might pull its punches now that its more than a youtube project so I don't expect them to address that stuff at least not directly. Helluva boss certainly didn't in its first episode, and seemed to lean into the idea that kids can be just as vile as their parents. So using that logic, I think the question needs to be, at what point does a child no longer deserve to be automatically forgiven? And at what point does the blame shift from the parents to the child.

Personally, I think Mayweather's kids are in Hell with their father unless they somehow miraculously survived. To me, it just makes sense that they would if who goes to Hell is judged mainly by their own evil actions. And my personal theory about cannibal town is that it was an entire cult that kinda died simultaneously together, perhaps a branch of the cult Mayweather and her family was in.

[uselessalexis165]

OF COURSE VALENTINO HAS A FIZZ BOT

[cookiesaddict]

Figured Andrealphus is a sexually repressed closeted gay man, trying to act straight by mentioning his sister’s attractiveness almost everytime he speaks.

Okay so here’s when everything what I’m about to say from now on becomes far fetched. It might not even happen.

But I wonder, will Andre eventually get a gay awakening, a darker version of Stolas’ awakening? Andre is very entitled and full of himself. Giving his personality and how sexually repressed he actually is, I have no doubt that he will handle his attraction to another person very poorly.

Take this with a grain of salt, but apparently Viv said we’ll get a “hellfire” type of song in the future. She also apparently said that Andre would continue to play a bigger role in s3, so it could suggest that the song could be sung by him.

I’ve seen other fans talk about this. But If the “hellfire” type of song is true and it is indeed sung by Andre. What if Andre develops some twisted feelings for Blitz? You know, Esmeralda style? I feel it’s very in character for Andre to act like Frollo in that regard.

Even though it desturbing and terrifying, it would really be interesting storywise to see Andre losing his mind for a being he should find repulsive and unworthy of his attention, just like Frollo with Esmeralda. It’s like the worst thing that could happen to him. We know how Andre view imps.

If you haven’t listened yet to “Hellfire” from the hunchback of Notre Dame, I highly recommend it. It’s sung by Frollo and it’s about his lust and obsession with Esmeralda. It really is such a good villain song.

Edit: Okay so I’ve noticed some people discussing that it could very well be Stolas instead of Blitz. I can really see this being true, haha. I love the way you all are thinking.

[ema0rsully]

Ok- listen to me on this one.

I find it surprising how the authorities arresting I.M.P. were from the sloth ring (the candles). Considering the fact that sloth = lazy. I’d expect the authorities to be from the wrath or even envy ring.

What if- and this is just a theory..

What if, Belphegor is always sleepy because she sleeps for the sinners and inhabitants of the sloth ring.

Belphegor is a sheep. When you can’t sleep, what do you do? You try to count sheep to try and get some sleep. Maybe, what Belphegor does is to help her subjects, she helps sleep for them and in return her subjects aren’t ever sleepy and always energised to do their work. All the energy she gains from sleeping, she gives it to her people so they dont require to sleep. But of course, this takes a toll on her because now she’s always sleepy.

I know, not alot of proof to go around this theory. But look at this guy,

He looks like some kind of anger therapist for Satan. He’s definitely from the sloth ring (the candle). And look back in S2 E4,

The guys are also from the sloth ring (the candles). Seems like all medicine/drugs comes from the sloth ring. And for a ring where you’re supposed to be demotivated or lazy, they do ALOT of work. From careers such as a therapist or an officer, these jobs require ALOT of energy. Some even time consuming.

And Belphegor seems to sleep ALOT compare to her own sinners/inhabitants in sloth. Thats why it got me thinking, how can her own people do all these jobs and yet Belphegor herself cant get through a trial without falling in and out of sleep? It makes you ponder.. why would she do that to herself?

Maybe because, her ring is at the lowest in the hierarchy. Its isn’t the most deadliest sin like pride or wrath. I also think she fears her ring might fall behind the other rings because her people will be too lazy to get anything done. So to avoid any mockery from the other Deadly Sins, she decides to give them energy by sleeping for them. It doesn’t matter is she’s oversleeping or not present when a meeting is being held, as long as her ring is prosperous, she’s sleeping peacefully.

I feel like the downside to all this is that, the sloth ring is ALWAYS awake. Nobody sleeps which means sinners and inhabitants are always finding something to do. Which is why her ring ends up being the ring with the best medicine/drugs, hospitals and maybe even security service.

[onehelluvafan]

Is Octavia afraid of Stella?

This brief scene of them together in Mastermind confirmed for many of us something we’d long suspected—that Stella is not close with nor very maternal towards Octavia. But after watching this a few times, I think it might go even deeper than that. I think there are subtle hints that Octavia might actually be afraid of her.

There is evidence as early as Loo Loo Land that even when Stella was more involved, she may not have been a source of comfort for Octavia.

When baby Octavia is crying for them at the beginning of the episode, Stella says, "You get up," before Stolas sighs and goes to comfort their daughter.

There’s been some debate in the fandom that maybe this exchange was more about “taking turns” than anything else. But the sigh that Stolas gives is clearly a reaction to her response and he is already sitting up before she has even finished her sentence.

I think the implication is that he was going to get up either way and is annoyed that she has no interest in comforting Octavia, whether it be alone or together. The intensity of the sigh may also indicate that this was a regular occurrence at the time.

In the same episode, there is a photo and drawing of just Stolas and Octavia. Then later, in The Circus, we see a another photo of just the two of them.

The only pictures we see that include both Stella and Octavia are family photos with the three of them together. Over the span of 17 years, these are the only two photos that seem to exist and she is not physically touching nor looking at Octavia in either of them.

In Mastermind, Octavia is clearly very upset, but there's more being shown than just her hesitation to embrace Stella.

When she first runs from the television, Stella swoops in front of her so forcefully that there is a *whoosh* sound effect. Octavia briefly puts her hands up as she comes to a stop, so that they don’t collide.

Then, arms back down at her sides, she stands there for a moment with a look of confusion and concern on her face. At first I assumed that this was her reaction to being blocked from the doorway, but then I realized that they are in Stolas’ palace, where she wouldn’t expect her mother to be in the first place.

But the thing that startled me when I first noticed, happens when Stella reaches out to engulf her in a hug. Octavia's reactive instinct is to raise her hands, palms facing outward, and back away.

Once in Stella's embrace, she then stands there limply until she begins to cry. Only after that does she move to hug Stella back, but even then, there is another moment of hesitation when her arms are halfway up before she finally embraces her back.

It makes sense for her to be startled and confused at first, but seeing her recoil when Stella raises her arms, paints a concerning picture.

To be clear, I don't think it's meant to imply that Stella has actually hit Octavia before. Honestly, if she had, I think we can all agree that Stolas would have absolutely kicked Stella's ass straight out into the stratosphere.

We do know, however, that she has seen Stella be physically violent towards Stolas. While it’s possible that she’s never witnessed them fight previous to his cheating, she was at least exposed to it enough afterwards to be completely unfazed when her mother hurls an imp at him in Loo Loo Land.

So, I suspect that, on some level, she does not feel entirely safe around Stella.

Either way, I think we’re supposed to assume from their exchange that Octavia has likely never been comforted, or possibly even held, by Stella before.

Because the fact remains that, even after finding herself merely in an embrace, she still hesitated to accept comfort from her own mother.

[viktheviking1]

Just a reminder that all fire burns green in greed except for the Lord of Lust himself, Asmodeus. Meaning, Ozzie lit Fizz's cigarette before his last performance in Two Minute Notice.

It's the little details that get me in this show.

[caldella]

SINSMAS SPOILERS AHEAD

Fan theory time!

This part of this episode had me SCREAMING because I hope they're hinting at a headcanon/theory I've had for a long time!

The way this scene was such a DIRECT callback to S1E1 Muder Family, down to looking through a window and one of them being hesitant to go through with the job because there's a happy family?

In Murder Family it was the same situation (murdering someone responsible for a marriage falling apart), but Blitzø didn't think anything of it even though he had done the same with Stolas. Blitzø and Stolas' situationship vs. Stella could've well been a Martha and Mrs. Mayberry situation, if you remove the later knowledge he and the viewers didn't have at first. Mrs. Mayberry as a client could have very well been a Stella if we didn't know the context later in the episode said otherwise. Mrs. Mayberry was more angry that the public viewed Martha as a hero for surviving being shot than anything else.

And the entire Sinsmas mission making Blitzø hesitant, because now he's realizing that he relates to his target? Like, suddenly he's examining that his revenge murder stuff isn't always the best solution, and this might be hurting someone who has been through shit and should be happy? That he could be killing a Stolas or a Blitzø? That he could be ruining a family of kids like Loona and Via who don't deserve it?

That maybe like he's been doing with his personal life, he should be asking some more questions about the impact of the jobs he's taking on, too? Add in the way Blitzø insists constantly that he's an assassin, not a bodyguard, but he is super protective of his loved ones and has proven to be really, really good at saving people...

Incoming IMP revolution theories might mess this up, but I am going to be SO, SO HAPPY if the eventual end-of-show route for IMP is that they transfer from murder to being bodyguards for hire. Like IMP is now Imminent Murder Prevention or something. Blitz is getting over his mentality that he can only make people's lives worse, and what better symbolism for that than his entire company eventually being devoted to protecting/saving people instead of destroying them?

They still get to fight/shoot/kill if needed, but to help instead of harm. The absolute symbolism. The way that would probably be really good for Blitzø's mental health once he makes that connection because he loves helping people he likes or thinks need it. Moxxie might like it, too. Just everything about this possibility.

I would love it SO MUCH.

[cute-little-fly]

Vassago and Stolitz Season 3 theory

This mini-theory is a further elaboration from this post made by @timkontheunsure that just…. popped out into my head today at 1 am when I was struggling to go to sleep, because of a fic I read before going to bed. LMAO.

Basically, what this post and the discussion around it said, was the possibility that Vassago was going to offer Stolas a home or better living conditions. Why Vassago would to come for Stolas until later, or what his relationship was with Stolas is yet to be seen. Or if will happen in this way we envision or not (might be related to something about Octavia too?). Guess we will see.

All of this idea came from this drawing:

For me, this drawing seems to be what each member of the IMP is going to think about Vassago, and like the original post said, is a tease or a future episode.

For me this makes sense. Millie is gonna love him, because he is happy and extroverted like she is. Moxxie might feel intimidated? Maybe because he is also kind of a theater boy, and that might make him feel inadequate, OR he might be distressed because how Blitzø acts and sees the situation. Blitzø is going to be… jealous I guess 🤭, or doubt his real intentions because he is a royal and besides his prejudice he doubts someone is willing to help Stolas after how everything happened in the trial.

Now, with this in mind… the theory.

Harriet… Don’t go into that train. It’s going to London and I cannot be without you.

We all know Helluva Boss uses a lot of foreshadowing, and there are lots of moments that are in response to others or that tease what is going to happen. We already know this while we watched, and we have spotted a lot of moments in mastermind and Sinsmas that are a direct response of the monologue Stolas gave to Blitzø at the party.

Usually, people remember the moment: “Harriet, don’t go into that train I cannot be without you” and relate that to this scene:

While it can be related a lot symbolically… I think this doesn’t relate perfectly with the Harriet moment because this… isn’t necessarily romantic. Blitzø would react the same if they had Loona in there or MyM.

This scene means that Blitzø cares about Stolas as much to be completely devastated if he dies. Even if Blitzø didn’t felt true love for Stolas, he also wouldn’t like him to die.

So for me this scene is more a response to this specific:

Because yes… Stolas has never felt that the people around him care about his basic wellbeing, or if he is alive or not (except for Octavia but, she is his daughter and she depends and relies on him. It’s not the same being cared about just for the sake of it without anything in exchange).

Since he is strong and immortal everyone think he should handle everything, and actually… his circle, the royals, the majority wouldn’t really care if he stays or goes.

I think this comment is not even meant for Stolas to have this by his romantic partner specifically. I think that in general he feels no one cares about him as a being, and what could happen to him. Even if he and Stella don’t get along, it must suck to see how the person you have lived with during years would attempt to kill you. That’s fucked.

So, I think that this moment here:

Is teasing the romantic development of Stolitz in Season 3.

We still are going to have some angst for Season 3, but it’s going to be a romcom.

I think that Stolas and Blitzø will be on good terms, pinning for each other during some time. None of them will dare to say anything.

Blitzø would never feel it’s the right moment to talk or iniciate something romantic because Octavia isn’t there.

Stolas would think Blitzø might feel in debt with him and that he is being a burden on his home, and that he should eventually leave.

During this time, other things might happen and they might grow closer or learn more about each other. About Blitzø’s past maybe? Barb will surely come to the series in Season 3. Millie’s pregnancy will come too. Blitzø might crumble to the pressure of everything. A lot of things might happen before or after this, even if now Blitzø knows he is loved will… make him feel pressured to give his entire being to everyone, and Stolas might be the person he is holding onto for strength. I think he has done this unconsciously before.

So… I think that Vassago might grow closer to Stolas, when he starts to get near them, and will end up offer him a home or a better place to go.

Stolas won’t want to leave, because besides Blitzø, he already feels comfortable with Loona and his life in the Office. After having no one, being in this family is gonna meant a lot to him.

But he will feel compelled to accept, because he doesn’t know if Blitzø is being nice and really okay with him staying so long because he is thankful, so he won’t want to “burden” Blitzø further. Vassago it’s going to be also a great guy and a friend that could help him further with Octavia and his situation. So, he will accept.

Blitzø will be like: okay if you want to go and have a better life you should. So he won’t say a thing. He won’t want to be selfish and he knows things are crowded in the appartment and all of that. Blitzø will be insecure and suspect Vassago and Stolas might have feelings for each other, so there is also going to be a component of Blitzø feeling he is better off with another Prince.

However… when Stolas just leaves Blitzø won’t be able to take it. He will chase Stolas and say the words (or something similar). The confession might include everything about their relationship and how he really felt back then.

A lot of people believe Blitzø would never go into those lengths to confess to someone knowing they might have another better person because of his own self hatred.

While I think this idea makes sense… wouldn’t it be crazy (in a good way) if we have a situation where Blitzø would dare to do it?

This precisely would be the thing that would make this scenario even more compelling. Blitzø doesn’t necessarily feel deserving on him, but he won’t just be able to be without Stolas, so he will go against all those voices of his head in a big crazy impulse. Because being without Stolas would be more painful than that. It might be also because Loona and the rest won’t want Stolas to leave either, or someone encouraging him to do that step.

[rhiandoesfandom]

I don't know if this is something that others feel so please jump in with other comments.

I think the natural progression after repairing things with Stolas (which to be honest could take a second) is to repair Blitz's relationship with Barbie.

But obviously he can't do it like he did in Happy Campers. He's being a better Blitz. He's learning boundaries. I think he's going to have to ask Fizz for help. At least to get him and Barb in the same place, or help convince her to hear him out.

And I think Fizz is going to be all for it, but also it's gonna be emotional as fuck cause Barbie is still going to lash out. She's going to try and get in Fizz's head about the fire. And it's going to be a true test of where Fizz is in his journey of forgiving Blitz and being best friends with him again. If he can tell her genuinely, I forgive him, you should too.

[annachum]

What I think may happen in Helluva S3

Elder Goetias in tow : * got so ticked off by Octavia's ' betrayal ' to the Goetias that they formed those red lines and such, causing things to be even worse for the citizens *

Vassago and his sibs and IMP : * formed a project group to help reunite hundreds of innocent families in the war as a civil resistance to those red lines *

Octavia : * becomes quasi prisoner in Andrealphus' Sloth Ice Castle and gets abuse from Stella and her crowd. The more Octavia defied, the more they abuse and torment, even eventually locking her up in an ice castle solidarity confinement prison after Octavia TRIED TO DEFEND STOLAS" SIBS FROM TRYNA SAVE HER IN A FORCED ENGAGEMENT PRESS CONFERENCE * ( basically having to go through similar abuse Sansa got in the Red Keep )

IMP and the rest of the Goetias, Ozzie, Fizz, Vortex and Bee and their fleets : * painstakingly crashing through the barriers to Andre's Ice Castle and crashing the forced wedding, all to save Octavia *

. Octavia gets sent to Pentagram City Asylum where she gets deep healing

. EVERGONE ELSE in Imp City and Pentagram Asylum finally knew what is really up and seek to protect Stolas and Octavia from Stella

. Rebellions against Stella's clan across the 7 Rings ensues, with Blitzo as the rebellions leader

. It all happens crazily and the retrial consists of Andre and Stella being sentenced guilty and execution for their VERY long list of crimes

[yasmiralotta]

Btw, had a small thought about the merch that made my heart melt 🥰

You see this new shirt? So cute, amazing even 👏 They are so in love ❤️🩷💙 Well, I can do one better for you:

Look at what their arms and tails form; A heart and infinity sign. Their Love for eachother is Infinite 😭💞

[timkontheunsure]

Tilla's circus act

Blitz doesn't move on muscle here.

The episode sets up alot of parallels in the ways Millie gets Blitz, and how she's comfort him in this episode.

She the one to give him back his mum's brooch.

She tries to pass on her own Mum's advice.

And is Millie give him a hug and holds his hand when he's upset. She set up to remind him of his mum in this episode.

But looks at what she does in their first fight/ interview process 😁. All the knives and blades..

Blitz uses a very showy spin to dodge. And guides her knife into hitting the wood of the chair back.

He's extremely confident and comfortable doing this.

He uses somersaults to get more space when needed.

Like he's extremely used to putting on a show while doing so.

He uses simple disarms on Millie, the sort you sort you might have taught a child.

There's something about this imp lady throwing knives at him that's making Blitz smile through a majority of this fight.

Millie even uses Blitz as a support to do a wallwalk cartwheel out of his hold. And Blitz just lets her.

Till their both enjoying the sparring match. 😁

When she grabs the darts Blitz reaction like it's expected.

And he's really happy about it.

He uses a back spring handstand into a flip to dodge the rest of them.

When he offers his hand; and she goes for another knife, he carefully keeps his stance and doesn't blink.

Like it's a lesson that got drilled into by someone he trusts, and always wanted to help out.

It was always interesting that Blitz and Barbie can fight using their Circus skills; but Fizz can't.

He's a juggler and acrobat, but can't fight for toffee.

Barbie Wire has the same easy way for dealing with knives in a fight.

I think it's really likely that Tilda's act was knife thrower and combate demonstrator.

As Millie says there's a lot imp assassins in Wrath. Might as well find a different use for those skills you're good at, and capitalise.

We know Cash's job was Ring Master, they don't normally do anything. Just announced the acts, and hype at the crowd. (Management never really dose alot do they lol).

We don't see who the knife thrower is at the circus, but lot of time is spent on the knife they throw.