#john interacting with dave

[insufferablemod]

thinking about john n davesprite n dave what happens when he finds out its not just a bird dave thing but a dave thing..... the idea hes built up of The Real Dave comes crashing down

like things were def made worse by being stuck together for 3 years with noone else n all of the extra issues davesprite has On top of all the normal dave bs but like, fuuuckkkkkkk

[skeletood]

how i imagine a non magic powered tussle between them might end up like.

(john started it)

transparent version bc yeah

[mushroomaisha]

It's unfair how they couldn't all hang out during the 3 year travel

[panmostuck]

jokes that someone had to make eventually so i took one for the team and drew them. original posts under the cut:

[wrenzers]

homestuck stuff ig because im slowly getting into it

[moog-enthusiast]

i posted this with a big dump of homestuck doodles a couple days ago but i think it’s deserving of its own post too

[xefdam-xefmek]

STRIDERCEST? Fuck yea!

BRO x JOHN? Fuck yea!

JOHN x JADE? Fuck yea!

XEFROS x DAMMEK? Fuck yea!

PROSHIPPERS UNITE!!!

[transmascpuppy]

pet/puppy agere dave, self indulgent ofc.

[five-nights-at-artsys]

honestly even if Dave Miller being an actual person that early on does kinda mess with our personal timeline I will say: his equivalent in our AU around that time would also do all of that! so not all is lost

[caliginous-rocket-papaya]

john and his babies....sniiiiffff.....guh

[beardisable]

REAL!!! REAL SHIT!!!

Understanding this is I feel a prelude to understanding the end of homestuck itself tbh... Like I can't say I know for sure if the type of ending we got was planned from the beginning or if it came about on account of how difficult it became to finish. But I've seen so many analysis/opinions of the ending like "oh this is bad" "this is nothing, lazy" "nobody besides x got a good arc" "it was unsatisfying" "they left before the epic boss fight???" etc etc. And those complaints and criticisms are valid from the pov of an audience reading a story and idc if people feel them. But I also so strongly feel that they've missed the whole point...

They left! They got the fuck out! The surviving characters saw the regimented story structure/heroes journey for what it is and fucking left!!! They don't owe us shit, they don't need to complete satisfying arcs for some kind of end goal. They don't need to complete the game properly or 100% it for our lore satisfaction. The thing they always wanted to do was get out and live peacefully with their families and friends! Like Dave said, real people don't have arcs. And to themselves they are real people!!!

They completed the "requirements" of the game in a more convoluted and circuitous way than expected(based on how it parallels the growing up process, could reflect for instance how in reality people take a longer time getting through school, or pursue alternate education, trade school, get a job immediately, do something else than a conventional job to aquire money, leave their family early... Etc ways people subvert the expected growing up process in different ways) and got the fuck out!!(free to live a life they want with their chosen family and in their chosen ways. But which based on beyond Canon will still be influenced by their upbringing and instilled values) and they deserved to fr!

Idk I guess you can make the case that this theme is not conveyed properly thought out the comic, and yeah maybe... But tbh imo you cannot properly understand homestuck unless you read it about 3 times at the very least, and intentionally seek out authors notes like this and background context to this decade+ old work. And yeah you could say that makes the comic bad or unfriendly to readers ig. But idk imo some media is just more that you can get one one read/watch/playthrough... And it IS supposed to imitate a video game with splitting timelines and game overs and different endings after all

OK idk yeah I had thoughts here they are

If someone wants to add on to this/reflect off my thoughts to continue ily, but also disclaimer that I Do enjoy Beyond Canon and am fascinated by its developments and how it adds to this theme, despite how it kind of breaks the ending(well it is still presented as just one of a possible way to continue and not the ultimate Canon so imo it doesn't break it any more than any other fanadventures do) and do not wish to engage in unnecessary bullshit discourse, criticism and discussion is fine

this is one is important as fuck i see so many people not understand this and it drives me crazy

"Sburb ruins, mythic challenges, and personal quests generally tend to come off as shallow busywork, stage props, or set pieces in a spurious Hero's Journey. Rose either faintly glimpses this truth at this early stage, or she's just hitting her rebellious teen stride. Either way, she doesn't take the surface value of the quest seriously at all, and only wants to smash it apart and loot the secrets. My sense is that the average reader reacts to this impulse unfavorably. Because readers watch the formula play out so often, they are trained heavily to respect the journey of the hero, to anticipate and crave its fulfillment, to see it as something verging on contractual in their relationship with a story. So a gut-response to this recklessness is like, "ROSE, NO! STOP THAT! You simply must complete your quest and play the rain!" What comes with this view is the feeling that her evolution as a character is only being delayed for a bit while she gets some anti-narrative foolishness out of her system, and then we'll get down to business and watch her do her quest, play a whole BUNCH of rain, and reap the narrative satisfaction. There's just one problem: she never does that. This candy-coated Kiddie Kwest is at no point ever taken seriously by Rose or the narrative itself, nor should it be.

When trying to parse character arcs, we look out for certain beacons. So when we hear "play the rain," we're like, ah, GOT IT. That's Rose's arc. Once she finally gets over this destructive teen bullshit, she can wise up, play the rain, and her arc will be finished. Wrong. This is almost a red herring arc. Her quest on this planet, its patronizing presentation, its intrinsic shallowness, is a mirage surrounding her that represents a fully regimented series of milestones for achievement and personal growth, much as society dubiously presents to young people in many forms. The true arc-within-the-arc is actually an upside-down version of what it appears to be. What Rose is doing now, which seems to be misguided recklessness taking her further away from the truth of herself, is actually better seen as a good start to her real journey: breaching the mirage of regimented growth, exposing it for the charade it is, and pulling the truth out of it. The real conflict in her arc comes not from the fact that she refuses to take it seriously, by destroying it and taking shortcuts. It's the opposite. It's that, upon trashing her planet, she continues to have this nagging sense that she should be taking this quest seriously, much like how a young adult may have a nagging sense of guilt that they aren't "being an adult right" by the time they approach adulthood. And this nagging, unanswerable guilt arises from the truth that the regimentation of adulthood is completely fake. It was always a mirage. Learning this, making peace with it, is part of the growing process for many, and it is for her too." -Andrew Hussie

intrinsically queer as fuck, too, btw

[alopecoiddaydream]

The reason I, like, never post my DaveKat art aside from that one post is bc I am TERRIFIED of mischaracterizing them. I hope this helps.

[thatlittledandere]

So what are some homestuck ships you have?

John ♦️ everyone he comes to contact with he's literally so good he can fix them all

Meowrails were already excellent but they really won me over big time in [S] Equius: seek the high bl00d 🥺 Precious wtf

Dave totally had a crush on John at some point before all this right I choose to believe this is canon. I mean Dave is included in John ♦️ Everyone but he deserves a separate mention. Because he's such a cool guy yknow

Vriska ♠️ Tavros makes be feel so disgusted it's got to count for something. That's what blackrom is about right

Aradia ❤️ Sollux 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

I think Karkat and Terezi could work well as moirails too but we'll see

Rose and Kanaya have something going on I know it

I still don't really get aus-whatever it is

[stupidkinbs]

saw a dave strider the other day on a rq blog and wanted to send a message so bad but. i’m nervous to do that so here’s to hoping he finds me instead

[lostmeadowjade]

@sga-owns-my-soul your tags:

Because yes to all of that. It's been four years where John hasn't really had to consider things like money (longer if we add in his time in Antarctica, cause what would he had spent money on there aside from food?). And whatever the situation it was that caused John to basically declare himself without anyone back home (Letters from Pegasus), John is very much an optimist. A practical optimist, but an optimist none the less. Which means there would have been some part of him, however small and quiet it might have been, that thought a reconciliation would be possible. And now that Patrick is dead, it can never ever happen.

And whatever role Dave played in this estrangement, that was a fucking low blow. Right there at the wake of all times. Like, yes, okay John is running off to work in the middle of an event that should take priority over everything else. And god knows when or if he's going to see John again is probably the refrain running through Dave's mind. But to just backhand John with that kind of question? That's a super dick move.

Dave has to be familiar enough with John's work history to be aware that his brother has never once said No, when a call came. Not to save his marriage, and probably not for any other family function either.

His question about the money though, makes me wonder if that might have been an argument that John and Patrick had had at one point. I know in the books, John basically sucked it up and made nice with Patrick's new wife so his dad would keep paying his tuition. And god knows there isn't a country in the world that pays it's service members well enough to call any of the wealthy.

Stargate: Succession

[neoanedotheart]

Lazy thing i wanted to do!!! they're just silly :3

I think dave is a pretty princess and John is awkward

I'll be yapping below

I believe that Dave texts John right after he gets his ass handed to him DAILY. It usually plays out like this where they banter and Dave never really goes through the extent of explaining what thoroughly happens to him so John lives in forever ignorant bliss. And this leads Dave to feel like there's more of disconnect because he first of all doesn't really know how to articulate his feelings and second abuse doesn't seem like abuse to the victim. So he goes about everyday unknowingly yearning to be saved by someone greater than him, which is why I put the snow white reference at the end hehe.

Snow white as a fairy tale is extremely cliche, you got the prince in shining armor showing up conveniently on a horse and saving the girl. There's always this hierarchy placed upon the story where the damsel in distress is saved by a man, that man being portrayed as a greater being.

And with John taking place as the prince in this context paints him as this greater being. And I feel like a part of Dave envies and despises John for being this way, for being "perfect" or in a way. Greater than him.

The thing is in the original snow white story she's unconscious, that's undesirable. But it adds to the desperation of wanting to be saved, shining a better looking light on a person who isn't really there for reasons you want them to be. However John is a sincere person, it's more so the lack of communication or true understanding of one another that leads to this rift, this belief that John isn't there for Dave because he loves him, but because he's his friend and it's John's duty as a friend to save him. Which also brings me to the last line where Dave never corrects himself, and how he insinuates that he'll be unconscious due to being placed in a glass coffin much like snow white was when she was poisoned. He's at this stage where he doesn't want to be saved by an outer source, a greater person than him. He wants to be saved by himself he wants to prove worthy, but then conflicting within his mind is also this idea he isn't good enough to. We all know that Dave believes he isn't a hero and explicitly states John is the hero multiple times throughout homestuck. So he stays waiting.

John however, refers to Dave as Cinderella, Cinderella gets abused and put through plenty of torture from her step sisters and is saved through marriage of some person she just met. There's still this base line of being saved by man however there's this more mutual understanding of what they're getting into, a similar yearn for one another. Though he never caught her name he was still willing to find her, the real her. Which is John in this case, he probably understands he's missing something in the big picture but can never find out what and the best he can do is hope that the other half still held on to what they once were and was willing to share.

This is a pre-sburb interaction btw they're just unknowingly foreshadowing a shit ton.

Sorry if there's like bad shitty writing in here, I'm rambling and it's like almost midnight hehe