#jonerys for ts

[moon-ruled-rising]

Taylor Swift wrote about (allegedly) cheating on her long term partner across four albums and you thought I wouldn't put as many of those songs on the sad beautiful tragic playlist as possible?

[daeneryssansa]

TOP 20 SHIPS AS VOTED BY MY FOLLOWERS 10. Jonerys

What if the Seven Kingdoms, for once in their whole shit history, were ruled by a just woman and an honorable man?

[janiedean]

Did/do you ship jonerys?

anon let’s say it diplomatically, while I think the show did it dirty, I only ship jon with people he’s not related to and my het otp for him is jon/ygritte and that’s the hill I’m dying on ;)

[thelegendofclarke]

GoT Season 8 Synopsis:

[him-e]

sorry for "stirring some shit"... just thought that, since you were outraged at people comparing Kylo Ren and Joffrey back then (and I agree it was an unjust parallel), you wouldn't be okay with a post comparing Dany with actual irredeemable monsters as well. i guess in the end we defend who we like best.

There are interpretations that are completely batshit in the context of the canon story & overall message (& have to bring up unrelated villains from completely different narratives to make a point that makes zero sense), and interpretations that hold some water, even if you don’t agree with them. I wasn’t happy with how Dany was portrayed in season 8, but in the end, she did turn into a mass murderer and killed many more people than Littlefinger or Ramsay ever did. And died like a villain, with the implication that murdering her was the best option to save Westeros. It’s horrible but that’s where the show decided to go. Dislike it as you want but you can’t fault Jonsas for spinning this incredibly fucked up final season into something that works for their ship.

the gifset doesn’t say that Dany is exactly the same as Ramsay or Littlefinger. It just suggests that Jon was motivated to kill those people out of love for his family and specifically to protect Sansa, as he perceived them as threats to her life. And guess what? That’s a valid take, considering Jon’s track record with people who hurt Sansa, and how Dany antagonized Sansa, targeted her as the person responsible for spreading the truth about Jon’s parentage in the first place and swore to bring war to Winterfell if she didn’t bend the knee.

also, even if none of the above was true, it’s not a matter of who I like best between Kylo and Dany, but of shipping preferences—my shipper perspective informs what I reblog and I won’t apologize for it. I don’t care for gifsets that shit on Kylo for woke points or to prop up other Rey ships because I don’t care for those ships and those angles tell me nothing. But I will reblog a Jonsa gifset that villainizes Dany—to the extent that show canon allows to villainize her, which is a lot, admittedly—if that gifset offers an angle that speaks to me in some way and helps me make sense of the story at least from my own ship’s perspective. Sorry if that bothers you but that’s how I roll.

[labime]

Hi! Would you be interested in writing a Jonerys au in the got universe but with daemons? Or an au where Jonerys kids from the future are helping Dany and Jon during the war? Totally ok if it is not speaking to you. Have a great day!

Wow, I never thought about that crossover/fusion before but it fits so well considering Jon and Daenerys' affinity with Ghost and Drogon in canon! Daemons are great and your idea is very inspiring. I've started writing it and I should post it in about a few days since it's just an one shot.

I’m not sure about the Jonerys kids’ one because that implies including OCs and they end up being always too formulaic and unoriginal in my opinion but I will try my hand at it!

Thank you for the ideas anon!

[maevelin]

Jon dated Ygrite so she'd trust him. Why not Dany? He'd do anything to protect his family. And he never did bend the knee.

First of all. Of course he bent the knee. Bending the knee is not just the visual action. It is everything that comes with stepping down from your regal authority and relinquishing your metaphorical and/or literal crown. Jon bent the knee for Daenerys. He declared her his Queen in the Dragonpit meeting in front of everyone. He stepped down as King and accepted the title of the warden of the North. He is no longer the King in the North and IN the North, in front of his court, he is addressed as the Warden and he responds to it. He has given his seat to Daenerys and calls her his Queen. It is done. 

The thing is that Jon is ready to do whatever is necessary for the good of the people. And in his mind that means unity. It is his responsibility to protect the North, his family and humanity. For that alone and given how much he felt he needed Daenerys by his side for the upcoming war he stepped down and accepted her fully as his Queen. In his mind that would prevent more wars to come if they ever won against the Night King too. But he did all that only after Daenerys helped him and decided to fight against the army of the dead. In a way he saw in her something that inspired him and something he could trust and he wanted to maintain the balance they found and make their bond stronger. The stronger they were together the more chances they would have to defeat the Night King. 

But the thing here is that Jon having feelings for Daenerys and wanting to do all the above are not mutually exclusive things. Best case scenario he could combine those if they were on the same side. But the fact that he had -and still has- feelings for Daenerys does not mean that his judgment was compromised or that he lost sight of what was important which in his mind was survival. 

Sansa for example acted as if Jon’s decisions were influenced by his feelings for Daenerys when in reality Jon as always was ready to sacrifice himself, his feelings and anything that personally mattered to him (including his position as the King) so to make sure that everyone else would survive and the Great War would be won. That means that we have a person here selfless enough to put the interests of his people and the survival of everyone above what he wanted, what he felt; above his needs and feelings. That is not to say that he didn’t have those feelings. It is to say that despite everything his priorities would always be set and it was insulting for anyone to act as if all of the sudden his judgment was compromised on that matter. After everything he went through and after all the times he fought and proved what matters to him the most he expected from his family at least to be on the same page with him. i feel that Jon became defensive because he expects from others to understand that him potentially loving any woman, even the wrong woman, would never mean that this would blind him to the extent of forgetting his responsibilities or should suddenly make him lose his credibility. And he is still human. Falling in love, even in the midst of chaos, should not be a crime especially since everything he always did and kept doing aligned with one goal and that was the Great War. I think Jon expected from everyone else to view this as a given and not to doubt him at every step of the way especially since they had to fight the dead very soon and all that conflict was not getting them anywhere. Especially since Jon had finally gained the allies he wanted and felt that everyone should put aside their own personal feelings and work together for this selflessly. Like he was doing.

The thing is that Jon had only one focus. The army of the dead. The Great War was coming. In Jon’s mind all political games and any desire for the throne or for power or for any crown was not in his immediate priorities or any of his priorities. He didn’t care for keeping the title of the King if there was no North left for him to rule over. And when it came down to it he would rather lose all that was important to him so to ensure that the North would survive. Jon always put himself and what he wanted second or last even. And he never cared for power or for titles. Jon being political and getting into that mentality would require for him to crave that kind of power and he simply does not. What matters for Jon was to for them, all of them, to survive. So in the end of the day whatever he felt for Daenerys would never be enough for him to forget what he has been fighting for for so long. But that is only here to show how torn he is and how he is willing to push aside his own feelings for the greater good. Something he expected from others to understand and respect. In the same way that Sansa for example expects others to not underestimate her I am pretty sure Jon expects the same especially from his family. 

Jon’s duty will always come first. But sometimes the heart will want what the heart will want.

Because yes… Jon did that with Ygritte as you point out but what did happen exactly? Oh yeah…he fell in love with her. The circumstances were extremely different. But either way say what you will for Jon but that man is wearing his heart on his sleeve. He is always honest when it comes to what he feels and he would never take advantage of a woman in that way. The thing with Jon is that for his duty he is capable of certain acts for sure but it is in his default settings to be honorable and honest. Jon with Ygrite was never political. He was following a mission yes. One that was not even his idea. He was still trying to fulfill his oath for the Night’s Watch. But his feelings for Ygritte however were very real. He loved her. He could have never faked that no matter how much he would try. And Jon always does what is necessary for the good of the people not for political gain. 

Also in the storyline with Ygritte and him going undercover we saw everything as it unfolded. We knew from the start Jon’s intentions and his motivations and his feelings. It was not a twist to be revealed to us later. And how much more in the very last episodes of the whole series. If the writers aimed to give as the political Jon angle they would have shown that to us from the start or would have at least revealed it by now. Because the writing of the show treats Jon as the honest guy and even if he is dishonest towards anyone his portrayal in the story will always be honest in the eyes of the viewers so we won’t get any lies as to what he aims to do or how he acts. He is the trope of the hero. The narrative treats him as such.

I mean…Jon is not Littlefinger guys. What you are talking about is Jon acting as Baelish did with Lysa. Pretending to be in love. Pulling the strings of a woman using love and sex as his weapons. Either it is because he is worried or craves power or intends to protect his family…in the end would Jon ever be so manipulative in a personal level on that degree? I just don’t feel that canon supports this with Jon. Like at all.

And those theories really are based on the belief that Jon sees Dany either as leverage while detaching himself from all feelings (which is not the way Jon’s character operates) or he sees her as the Mad Queen (which I don’t think canon supports that so far or gave Jon any reason to view Daenerys as such in their interactions). And I don’t think either of those things have been shown in the narrative so far. At least when it comes to Jon’s perspective and characterization.

And honestly? I feel that the writers view Jon and Daenerys’ story as the epic fated romance. Either it will be tragic or not. Either it works or not. And I feel that those that don’t like the ship or Daenerys are ready to hold on to any theory that would contradict what the writers are obviously doing with Jon and Daenerys in the show. Either that theory makes sense given canon and the characterization we have seen so far with certain characters or not.

And let us be real here. If Jon was indeed capable of being so manipulative and disingenuous he would have aimed for marriage. And I am not sure that those that are ready to go down with the Political!Jon theories believe that something like that in particular would ever be Jon’s nefarious intentions which is contradictory with the political theories to begin with. 

[oberynmartell]

@mhysaofdragons so i was just casually cruising through the web looking for new edits to make and i stumble upon this lq rubbish BUT it looks just like emilia and kit are holding hands soooooo....modern au anyone??

[peppermoons]

I know you've posted fic recs for other ships, so I was wondering if maybe you have a Jon/Dany rec list? :)

It’s truly rare that I read longer fics nowadays, so pretty much all I got for you are one-shots. 

Anyway, here are some fanfics that I really enjoyed and think are worth checking out. Sorry it’s such a short list but I hope you still find something you like. ♥

* = contains smut

a moment by bemusedbicycle

a wolf at your throat, a dragon at your back* by winterbones

another un-innocent elegant fall by alchemistique

blessed are the hearts that can bend by catsmock

Chaos is a Ladder* by nowforruin (wip)

come as you are by kalimero

Elegiac by snowstcrm

feel the light upon my skin by interstellarbeams

Fight or Flight, and I Flew by crossingwinter (modern au)

he is more myself than i am by visenyahs

I’ve got loyalty, got loyalty* by bemusedbicycle

keep it secret, keep it safe* by bitchfromtheseventhhell

leave the horrors here* by lestraea

No Fear of Fire* by thefairfleming

Ocean Breathes Salty* by Puke_Silver

On the Knees of My Heart* by thefairfleming

Return by Embracingtheplotbunnies (post-canon)

Say You’ll Remember Me by RoseAlenko (wip)

seasons don’t fear by alchemistique

she takes her wolf to bed over the years* by hedgewitches (post-canon)

Small Bump by poetdameron (modern au)

Sneaking Around* by RoseAlenko

the bittersweet between my teeth* by atetheredmind (s_e_irvine)

The Last Verses of the Song by Doublehex (post-canon)

The Promised by Laine

The Snow Calls to Her* by regala_electra

things you said after we fell in love by bitchfromtheseventhhell

this single mum/teacher modern au by bitchfromtheseventhhell

this godswood fic by bitchfromtheseventhhell

this modern au with the trio (jon, dany, tyrion) getting drunk in a bar by bitchfromtheseventhell

time is a tender enemy* by lestraea

To Take A Throne by thefairfleming (post-canon)

[hellsbellschime]

If jonerys happens it will be one sided. They had to turn Jon into a cardboard for it to work on the show. I really doubt he is capable of loving someone like Dany. He has shown an aversion to fire fanatical women (Selyse, Melisandre) and the "rightful heir" who tried to paint his brother a usurper (Stannis). Mix these two things and you get Dany. I also really doubt Jon can love someone more than his family, or want something more than being a Stark and Winterfell. So yeah .. he'll be totally head over heels for the woman who threatens these things. Very believable.

Honestly, I can't even imagine it being one sided? I say this with love, but Jon is boring as fuck, his character is incredibly internal and Dany loves flashy, over the top assholes, I can't imagine her even giving Jon a second look.

[tony-soprano]

i mean, there was room enough under that blanket for dany to snuggle up w/ jon 

you know, purely for warmth and such

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[daeneryssansa]

Jonerys Week 2020 - Day 5 - The Long Night “The war has been waged since time began, and before it is done, all men must choose where they stand. On one side is R’hllor, the Lord of Light, the Heart of Fire, the God of Flame and Shadow. Against him stands the Great Other whose name may not be spoken, the Lord of Darkness, the Soul of Ice, the God of Night and Terror. Ours is not a choice between Baratheon and Lannister, between Greyjoy and Stark. It is death we choose, or life. Darkness, or light.”

[janiedean]

I'm so excited for tonight's episode, for them to kill the Night King in the first 5 minutes, all the characters to talk out their shit and get one the same page in the next 10, and then start planning the Braime/Jonerys/Gendrya/Theonsa quadruple wedding. These are my very realistic and not at all denial fueled expectations.

why, you’re telling me that the rest of the episode isn’t davos and tyrion planning that wedding? why would you say anything against those lines? of course the rest of the season is those two planning weddings and dadvos adopting ppl left and right because someone has to walk them to that fucking tree or so help me

....... except that now I’m thinking about it for real and like........ none of those people actually has living fathers in that place to bring them to the tree good god dadvos is going to walk a lot of them I feel also excuse me quintuple wedding, sam and gilly still have to tie the knot u_________u

[thelegendofclarke]

I'm not sure that the Undercover Lover Jon thing is true, even though I get why people believe it. If it isn't true tho, what is the third treason that Dany's going to suffer? I thought it was pretty much agreed that it was going to be Jon.

Hokay I know I said I wasn’t going to talk about this, but I am nothing if nothing contrary af. SO anon I am going to use your ask as a kind of like ~general layout~ of my thoughts on the potential of UCJ.  I’m going to maintain though that I would prefer not to discuss any potential consent issues for personal reasons. 

I am also gonna shout out to the other few anons as, well as @ladyanyawaynwood and @lyanna-mormont, who also sent me asks on this topic. 

SO all right folks *drum roll* It’s the new favorite fandom Disc Horse! Either you love it or you hate it! Either you want to have its babies or want to kill it with fire!… It’s THE UNDERCOVER JON THEORY!

Before I start rambling, you should all totally check out the bottom part of this really excellent post by @him-e about some of the details and possibilities of this theory, because Claudia is so much better at words and explanations and life than me. There’s also this post by @blindestspot, whose no nonsense approach I always really appreciate.

Ok, first of all: I would like to go on record once more in saying that God I really dislike the name Undercover Jon. I primarily hate it because I feel like it’s misleading, at least in terms of what I personally would consider this theory to be. I feel like “undercover” implies deliberateness and ill intent and malice aforethought that I generally don’t really think is involved here. Also, I guess I don’t really subscribe to the Undercover Lover theory at all, because I don’t think Jon’s feelings for/sexual relationship with Dany have anything to do with it (i.e. I do not think Jon purposefully and deliberately seduced Dany for the sole purpose of manipulating her, nor do I think he is merely pretending to have feelings for her for the sole purpose of personal/political gain). 

I truly don’t believe Jon is in any way maliciously gaslighting Dany as part of any Grand Scheme. Personally, I feel that would be too much at odds with the Honorable and Noble character and narrative established for Jon. But that’s not to say that I don’t think the general theory is totally with out merit. I actually think some elements of it could definitely make up a potential plot line. I have explained my take on it as more Flying By the Seat of His Pants Jon- I think “scheme” would be way too strong a word, I think “plan” would probably even be too generous. It’s probably more along the lines of “ok so this is what we are doing now.”

Somewhere along the line I feel like this whole thing turned into something VERY black and white and moralized. I also think that somewhere down the line this turned into a VERY polarized and mutually exclusive theory, which I don’t think would be the case in the event that the theory ends up being true. I have seen a lot of comparisons being made to LF and Ned Stark. It’s either that Jon is Ned Stark’s son and he would NEVER act in this type of morally dubious manner, OR that if Jon were to be acting in this morally dubious manner that he is just as bad as LF. @blindestspot summed up this polarization kind of perfectly imo:

Hyperbolically speaking, either Jon is a cruel cad or he is a faithless idiot. If you step away from the hyperbole, his pragmatism or naivety might actually make him less of a righteous cookie-cutter hero and more like a flawed human being. But it’s the internet and ideas are quickly distorted into their most hyperbolic versions of themselves. If Jon isn’t wholly good, he has got to be evil. If Jon isn’t smart, he eats crayons for breakfast.

Likewise, I disagree with the idea that Ned Stark and LF are the only two applicable points of moral comparison, that just seems awfully restrictive imo. Also, both Ned Stark and LF are dead. This implies that in order to survive the game of thrones, you have to fall somewhere in between. I guess the best way I can think of to explain it is that I kind of view this theory and it’s different variations on a sliding scale… The more deliberate and manipulative the version of the theory makes Jon out to be, the less likely I think it is to happen in that manner. 

Jon is one of the heroes of the show; and not only that, he has often been used or portrayed as the Moral Compass Character. (And example being just this season when he refused to punish Ned Umber and Albs Karstark for the sins of their fathers). The show runners have never had any story line that explicitly and intentionally places Jon in the wrong or in an extremely negative light. There has been story lines where he has acted in a morally ambiguous manner (see: Ygritte and the Wildlings), but he has never done anything purposefully malicious or outright evil or immoral. Also, there has been no indication in the narrative that he is heading toward any kind of downward spiral. I just can’t see the show going the dark!Jon or evil!Jon or morally corrupt!Jon route in the final season when he has been consistently portrayed as the Knight in Shining Armor, Savior, and Hero of the story.

I am a lawyer… So my basic approach to things like speculation is to look at the evidence. Honestly, for this theory, imo the defense for both sides have created reasonable doubt.

Arguments for UCJ

Potential Evidence from Jon’s character:

Through the Wilding plot from s1-s3, the narrative has established that Jon is capable of deception. He is capable of having genuine feelings for someone while not being completely honest. 

Sansa told Jon he needed to be “smarter,” which he could have taken to heart. A plot like this, similar to the the Sansa and Arya vs. LF plot, could be part of the general theme of “I learn” and the Starks going from pawns to players.

Kit Harrington has said this about Jon Snow’s character in s7 and s8: “But this year, I think he becomes a politician… He starts manipulating people in a Jon Snow way - in a kind way, but he has a job to do.” (x) This not only confirms that Jon IS operating as apolitical actor, but could also imply that Jon has a strategic goal or purpose. However, Jon having real feelings for Dany is not necessarily at odds with him having a second agenda. The two things are not at all mutually exclusive.

Jon steadfastly maintained through out the season that he would not be bending the knee. He even went so far as to tell Dany “I am a king.” It could be difficult for people to see how he would make such a complete 180, and a seemingly needless and unnecessary one given that Dany agreed to fight the NK before he bent the knee.

Potential Evidence from the Show:

There have been story lines, like the Sansa and Arya vs. LF plot, that were dishonest on their face. The way they were portrayed was intended to mislead the audience. So D&D are capable of using this kind of plot device.

The way I see this kind of story line going, it would also essentially be a pretty significant parallel to the Jon and the Wildlings plot, where Jon had real feelings for Ygritte but the situation was complicated by duty and circumstance. However, this would mean that it’s material D&D are familiar with.

All of the finale was full of subtext about lying and lies and honor. They laid it on so thick. Thick enough, I felt, that it could imply that Jon is hiding something or that part of him is overcompensating and/or being motivated by guilt.

Arguments Against UCJ:

Potential Evidence from Jon’s character:

Obviously, Jon’s honor code and strong senses of morality and duty are huge parts of his character. It’s totally reasonable to think that he has no ulterior motives beyond forming an alliance to ensure Dany and her dragons will fight with the North.

I think that Jon knows The NK will probably have a dragon how (he has seen the NK raise people from the dead, and he knows from the wight hunt that the NK can also raise animals from the dead). He knows without the dragons, they do not stand a chance. So he is doing everything necessary to ensure the dragons are on their side.

Jon has been consistently portrayed as a Hero and Moral Compass type character. There would be no reason for them to do anything that had the potential to  turn the audience so vehemently against him in the final season.

Potential Evidence from the Show:

There have been some incredibly stupid story lines (jfc that wight hunt). It’s fair to be suspicious that a story line of this manner is beyond what D&D have the tendency to produce in terms of complex details.

There are only 6 episodes left. I have a really hard time imagining how they would pull this off in 6 episodes ON TOP OF everything else that has to happen before the series ends.

In regards to the plot device of characters using seduction and emotional manipulation as a tool, D&D have consistently been typical dude bro’s insofar as it has been largely female characters who have done so (Cersei, Margaery, Shae, Osha, ect.) It might be completely beyond them to think to have a male character utilize those techniques in such a manner.

I see valid arguments being made on both sides here to constitute a generally sufficient case for it going either way. I think that anyone who would argue “yes the is 100% going to happen” OR “no there is a 0% chance this is happening” would be willfully disregarding evidence from one side or the other. Obviously it’s natural that people will find one side or the other more persuasive, everything about speculation is subjective. But I just don’t feel like it would be possible to make any definitive statements at this point. 

All the reasons I have for thinking this could be possible or impossible have nothing to do with me shipping Jon/Sansa. They actually don’t really have anything to do with Sansa herself at all in any different way than they have to do with everyone in the North that Jon’s decision affects. I know there are some people who might not believe me when I say that, but I supposed there is nothing I can do about it. But that’s the thing about speculation: it’s always subjective, there can be arguments made for both sides. While some people may say “Jon has made promises to Dany and he wouldn’t break them and betray her,” the flip side is “in making these promises to Dany, Jon has betrayed his duty and promises he made to all of his subjects as their king whom they trust.” For every argument, there is a counter argument; for every action, there is a reaction. For every person who can’t believe Jon would betray Dany, there is another person who can’t believe Jon would betray his family. For every person who believes Jon was right to bend the knee, there is another person who can’t believe he would do it. For every person who thinks Dany deserves to rule the Seven Kingdoms, there is another person who believes the North deserves their freedom and independence.

All things considered, I do feel there could be some potential conflict in regards to Jon’s intentions and motivations. I think there are various events and ambiguities in the past and present plot, as well as in Jon’s actions and in Jon and Dany’s relationship, that support said hypothesis. My best guess is that Jon definitely has some guilt about bending the knee because he either: a) knows the north will NEVER go for it, or b) was being genuine and feels guilty for having unilaterally made such a huge decision that effects so many people, including his own family, with out their input (which he should because ffs dude come on!) .The only thing that I believe Jon has been outright dishonest about is telling Dany that the Northerners would bend the knee accept her as Queen. The North has a very deep seated rhetoric against the Targaryens. Whether it’s true or not is essentially a moot point, it’s just something that is deeply embedded in their history. In 7x02 they went out of their way to make a ~big deal~ about how “Targaryens can’t be trusted.” The North also has a historic distrust and disdain for Southern rule and the Iron Throne, going all the way back to Torrhen Stark, the king who knelt. I don’t think there is any way that Jon could reasonably believe that Dany won’t be met with opposition from the North… All the rest of it, including Jon’s feelings towards Dany, kind of falls into a gray area of words vs. actions vs. intent vs. motivations. Which makes sense, because this would be a morally gray plot; and it wouldn’t be the first time one of those was featured on Game of Thrones. 

I suspect that, like with Operation Wildling, Jon has no real escape plan or exit strategy here; I honestly don’t think that he has thought about it that much (also implying that any deliberate, premeditated manipulation or ill intent on his part would be minimal or non existent). Honestly, I think that Jon believes he is not going to survive to see the extended repercussions of and reactions to his bending the knee. I think that Jon truly believes he is going to die fighting the NK. He already showed that he was willing to die when he told Dany to leave him behind in 7x06. Like the rest of us, his he is probably wondering how in the ever loving fuck his ass has somehow managed to survive this long. (Honestly being like, “I’ll bend/pretend to bend the knee and then just die so I don’t have to face Sansa” would ABSOLUTELY be a Jon Snow thing to do.) I think Jon made what he saw as the best decision in the present, and isn’t concerned about the future or the fallout. Which, if true, could lead to a couple possible conflicts for next season:

Possibility 1- Jon dies in the BftD and Dany lives, leaving Dany to face the North and Cersei on her own.

Possibility 2- Dany dies in the BftD and Jon lives, leaving him to deal with the fallout in the North and Cersei alone.

Possibility 3- Both Jon and Dany survive the BftD and the North makes it clear that they will not accept his as queen, leaving Jon to decide who’s side he will be on. His decision then would obviously be complicated by his feelings for Dany and his loyalty to his family ect. ect.

Possibility 4- The White Walkers win and everyone dies so it doesn’t even matter!

(*Disclaimer: Obviously this list is just me speculating and is in no way comprehensive or exhaustive.)

And like Anon said, if Jon is going to be the third reason that Dany suffers, then Possible Conflict #’s 1 and 3 could definitely play into that. In #1 Dany would not only be dealing with Jon’s death, but also with the knowledge that he was dishonest to her. And in #3 if Jon ends up siding with the Starks in a potential conflict, that could possibly be a major betrayal.

I also think subjectivity comes into play big time here with regards to which parts of the story people prefer or find more compelling or are more interested in. Game of Thrones has SO MUCH going on and there are so many different lenses through which people can view it. Who are the most important characters? What is the most important plot? Who is The Hero™? Who is The Villain™? What is the ideal endgame? I would bet you pretty much anything no two people would answer all those questions the exact same way. We as an audience have been waiting 6 seasons for BOTH the Stark Restoration/Northern Independence AND the Dany Getting to Westeros plots to play out. I’ve kind of talked about it a little bit before, but for me personally (and I think for others as well), it was extremely narratively frustrating to finally get the narrative pay out from the Stark story line, only to have it be given up and taken away such a short time later. 

I also think that if Jon’s storyline is 100% completely honest, straight forward, and genuine as it stands, then like 90% of the major, climactic events of his arc will seem to have been pointless and he will have learned nothing from them. It would also seem that Jon bending the knee and unilaterally making such a huge decision for such a large number of people so easily would go against a lot of what he has supposedly learned. I’m not even saying that it was the wrong decision or that he didn’t have the authority to make it or even that it would be completely ooc. However, such a seemingly single minded action would show an alarming and annoying (imo) lack of character development… Which, again, is entirely possible. This is D&D after all.

In sum, I honestly don’t have that strong of a stance on this tbh. I guess mine is kind of like a Moderate View on the theory or like, “Undercover Jon Light.” I think some variation of it could definitely be possible and would be an interesting potential plot so I won’t rule it out completely. But I also won’t be surprised if it doesn’t happen.

[sassaspazz]

So here's my mom's reaction to the famous Jonerys boat smex.

[labime]

When will my favorite jonerys writer aka you return from war to go to ao3

Thank you for the compliment anon:)  I hit a big writer's block. I wanted to finish my season 8 fix-it before continuing anything else but I kind of couldn’t make the characters work into the plot without feeling like I mucking up their characterization so I deleted it. And rewrote it. And deleted it again. And started back from scratch. I think I will just set this one aside for a while and focus on AUs and book canon because I’m getting nowhere with season 8.