#linguistics geek

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[babybluesquid]

Some spectrogram fun! I like singing "She'll Be Coming Round the Mountain" in a particular way, one with glottal stops in the word "mountain" so it's pronounced like so: [mɑ͡ʊʔn̩]. I really accentuate that glottal stop because I love singing with emphatic stop consonants. It just satisfies me.

The spectrogram is gorgeous. Here's the last part of the song, "she'll be coming round the mountain, she'll be coming round the mountain, she'll be coming round the mountain when she comes." All those really wide gaps preceded by increased amplitude? Glottal stop!

Since the phrase repeats three times it's really easy to see what's going on. The first repetition has different frequencies than the second and third, in which I sang the same notes, which is really obvious on the waveform even though the waveform depicts the complex wave!

[chussyracing]

Sorry, but omg I'm also majoring in linguistics (with dead languages as a b-subject though, not czech literature)

Very happy to find another motorsport+language nerd. Have a nice day! :D

which languages!! i also studied ancient greek and old church slavonic (the examination from old church slavonic almost killed me on spot tho) - and i dipped the ancient studies before facing latin 🙈

[thekinginjello]

I'm the worst person to play Hangman with. I've been known to guess entire phrases without any letters on the board, and I always choose words that no one else in the class has ever heard of.

[circular-time]

He is so damn CUUUUUUTE and here I am language geeking with a pronunciation tip for all kinds of names that start with a polycule of consonants your language doesn't ship, so lemme put it behind a cut.

Consonant combos like ps-, thr-, mb-, nc-, ng can be challenging, if they never get together in your native language. You can learn new sounds; it just takes practice like teaching your tongue a new skateboard trick.

If a consonant cluster starts a word, try using a vowel sound as a "run up" until you get the hang of it.

Example: I used to struggle with the common Vietnamese name "Nguyen," until I realized it began with the first syllable of "English" without the "e." I practiced saying Eng-OI-yen in private until my tongue didn't need training wheels.

Many African languages have starting n or m + a consonant, which baby Trekkie me thought was utterly cool thanks to Dr. Mbenga.

Ncuti's got one of those. I have to hit his name at the right speed or I spin out, but think of it as a kick flip, not a hassle.

Tangent: Last night I hit a British accent that does have this consonant combo, kind of. It sounded to me like Mancunian, though since I'm Californian, I've probably just committed a geographic error of 100 miles that any actual northern British person would find laughable.

Annnnyway, according to Youtube's terrible auto-subtitles, the latest Raven's Eye video mentioned the "jeweling scars," aka dueling scars, of Mussolini. That reminded me that several British accents, both workingclass and snobbish, do something similar with the word "duty," rendering it as a nasal "(d)chew-tee," as though trying to say it around Sean Connery's false teeth.

Which comes out awfully like "Ncuti."

So if you're British, listen to yourself say "duty" — you may already be saying his name and not realize it. 😅👍

okay okay I know the point of this is “White people need to put as much effort into learning how to pronounce Black people’s names as they do foreign European names” and 100% I totally agree, absolutely good point

but this tweet becomes hilarious in the context of this clip:

anyways, absolutely put effort into learning how people pronounce their names. just don’t feel bad if it takes you some time to get it right 😅

(also in case you didn’t watch the video it’s “N-SHOO-tee” not “SHOO-tee”)

[nextlevelbanana]

Grammar Goblin: interest check

ps: If you are a grammar goblin, you would probably like the card game I'm Kickstarting (for which this pin may become a stretch goal), check it out: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nextlevelbanana/oscacomps-item-shop/

[arcane-vagabond]

wait so you didn't have to take semantics?! i'm so happy for you but also so jealous, i'm suffering through that and syntax rn 😭💔

I LOVE SYNTAX. MORPHOLOGY IS MY FAVORITE.

I feel like I would have really liked Semantics if we had had an actual semantics course and not the fraud that was Logic and Reasoning.

Phonology is the bane of my existence, however, but that might be because my professor (god love him) specialized in it, and could not dumb it down for us to save his life.

[mediumgayitalian]

Will was very young the first time he dreamt of his dad.

"So," said a blond man in a white dress that was Too Short and teeth so straight they were off-putting. "How goes it, kiddo?"

Will was aware he was dreaming. He always was. But he had never quite been capable of pushing his way out of these dreams, so he was as good as stuck. He looked the man up and down.

"Are you a MLM salesman?" he asked, which he at the time felt was a reasonable question.

The MLM salesman looked affronted.

"I am living sunlight," said the man, perfectly straight nose wrinkled in offense.

"Living Sunlight," Will had mused, itching a mosquito bite on his ankle. He straightened and rocked back on the worn heels of his favorite sneakers. Only one side still lit up, but that worked for him. "I've never heard of that one. Is it Vitamin D supplements?"

The salesman sputtered. "Will, I -- I'm your father?"

Will froze in quiet awe, perking up like a watered flower.

"My time has come," he whispered.

No sooner were the words out of his mouth that the salesman stomped one sandaled foot, squeezed his fists, and hollered, at the top of his lungs, "Do not compare me to any character in that no-good loser's movies!" He spit on the ground beside them. Or, well, not really. Metaphysically. "George Lucas is a disgrace to the name of linguistic arts! He has written the worst dialogue known to man! He made Natalie Portman look robotic!"

Will disagreed on principle.

But he inclined his head, because, well. Fair. He did indeed do that.

"The art of the whole thing is the implications," Will said haughtily. He waved a hand the way he'd seen some of his Mama's critics do at shows. "The grander themes and nuances of Star Wars are deliberately left to viewer's thoughtful interpretations." He nodded, once. For emphasis.

The man -- his father, allegedly, but Will had his doubts -- Mama would crush this guy like a bug -- and Will has issue being related to someone so annoying, already -- sighed, and then shook his head.

"Maybe I mixed you up," he mused. He glanced down and frowned. "Are you actually one of Athena's ilk? Mine aren't usually…like this. More cool than straight geek, generally, which the exception of band dorks."

He leaned down -- far down, Will scowled, not fair; if this man is his father this better mean he will be tall -- and squinted.

"You don't look much like me yet," he observed. "I'm not quite so spotty."

"You're an asshole," Will informed him hotly. To his frustration, however, the stupid spots in question were not quite on board with his attempted nonchalance, and begun, as they always do when he's mad, to glow. Like little pinpricks in a window shade. "How do you sell scammy supplements if you're an asshole?"

"Hm," continued the asshole. He had nice hair, which was a third thing about him Will hated on principle. Thick and wavy and fell to his shoulders in nice ringlets. Held off his forehead by some kind of leather headband. What a douche. "Your mother is Naomi Solace, yes?"

"What are you, a cop?" Will said, which is what his mother had trained him to say in response to that question. But if this guy is a cop then Will is an elephant, so he gave up and answered: "Yes, but that's none of your business."

"…She bisexual? Coulda been a double night for her, I suppose. Can't blame her."

Will blinked. "What's that?"

Salesman Loser Dad blinked. "Uh," he said, and continued to flounder. It was a foreign look on him, so Will found it amusing. He counted three entire minutes of stuttered non-explanations and hand gestures.

"Dudes," Salesman Loser Dad managed, eventually, waving a manicured hand. "And women. You know?"

Will squinted at him in much the same way he squinted at raccoons during mating season attempting to seduce a fencepost.

"Both," finished the man eventually. "Both is good."

"Well, duh," said Will, continuing to look at him oddly. "How are you ever meant to choose?"

Salesman Loser Dad barked out a delighted laugh. "Alright!" he crowed, throwing a hand over Will's shoulders and recovering quite gracefully when Will picked it up by the middle finger and removed it not unlike one would a dead snake. "You are mine!"

"I have met you one sum total times," Will noted. "Any attempt to claim custody on your end is laughable by any reasonable court of law."

"Two," dismissed his alleged father. "I said hello to you at a bar that one time. Remember?"

Will did not remember. Will also knew that telling people who frequent bars that you do not remember seeing them in one is generally a Bad Plan -- another lesson from his mother -- so he said nothing at all. Alleged Absenteer was too wrapped up in his own rambling story to notice.

"Anyways," he continued. Will avoided correcting him on the correct use of the term 'anyway' because he is taking these special classes at school called Fitting In With Your Peers -- What You Should Know and has been advised that constantly correcting people may come off as 'combative' or perhaps even 'bitchy'. "Just came to drop by and introduce myself. Figured you should know your old man so you know who to pray to when you make it to camp!"

Adults do this thing where they say a sentence that is entirely incomprehensible without decades of general life experience and then get mad when you don't get half of it. Will, well used to adult bullshit -- his mother is excellent at pointing it out to him -- did not bother worsening this issue. He just nodded , and filed it away in the mental compartment in his brain labelled 'Problems for Future Will (Sorry)'.

He also refrained from mentioning that his father in question did not introduce himself, and Will remained, still, after suffering all this, ignorant of his name.

Another folder in the compartment. Fun times for Future Him.

"I'll be seeing you around," said his dad with a wink, spinning away from his personal space. He skipped off to the distance with a backwards wave and an honest-to-Jesus "Toodleloo!" which would be funny if Will were not stuck watching him prance away.

"There's no way," he said to himself, after a good twenty minutes, hands crossed over his chest. He shook his head, and then again for good measure. His mom's a deeply cool person. She has a cool butterfly tattoo and two ear piercings and everything. She wouldn't do that to herself. "Nah. This is my brain making things up for the drama of it all."

He turned in the opposite direction of the figment of his imagination and walked until he woke up again. He didn't bother mentioning his dream to his mother. In fact, he forgot about it entirely.

Until two years later, when he sat awake on a cot in the Hermes cabin, staring at a half-faded mural of the gods on the poster-cluttered wall. He glared at a salesman-looking guy who's horribly good hair peeked between a poster of Al Capone and a framed Cease and Desist.

"Fucker," he muttered to himself, and ignored it when someone sighed and muttered about the mutiny rehabilitation package again.

-- -- --

for @willsolaceweek day 5 -- will and his dad

[jochi-the-veristithaylen-baker]

Just wait until I bring out the ɪntənæʃənəl fənətɪk ælfəbɪt kibɔɹd, that I have as one of my several enabled virtual keyboards on my phone. Having many symbols available for communication is αλφα ωμέγα in my opinion.

Trick? Or... Treat?‽

What are those called again, interrobangs? Fun to know that two of my mutuals have atypical typing things

[vague-humanoid]

Does ChatGPT harm critical thinking abilities? A new study from researchers at MIT’s Media Lab has returned some concerning results.

The study divided 54 subjects—18 to 39 year-olds from the Boston area—into three groups, and asked them to write several SAT essays using OpenAI’s ChatGPT, Google’s search engine, and nothing at all, respectively. Researchers used an EEG to record the writers’ brain activity across 32 regions, and found that of the three groups, ChatGPT users had the lowest brain engagement and “consistently underperformed at neural, linguistic, and behavioral levels.” Over the course of several months, ChatGPT users got lazier with each subsequent essay, often resorting to copy-and-paste by the end of the study.

The paper suggests that the usage of LLMs could actually harm learning, especially for younger users. The paper has not yet been peer reviewed, and its sample size is relatively small. But its paper’s main author Nataliya Kosmyna felt it was important to release the findings to elevate concerns that as society increasingly relies upon LLMs for immediate convenience, long-term brain development may be sacrificed in the process.

“What really motivated me to put it out now before waiting for a full peer review is that I am afraid in 6-8 months, there will be some policymaker who decides, ‘let’s do GPT kindergarten.’ I think that would be absolutely bad and detrimental,” she says. “Developing brains are at the highest risk.”

@quasi-normalcy @startorrent02 @redstarovermoundcity @that-biracial-geek-girl

[deep-down-in-drowsy-town]

One Song in Every Language

Okay, tumblr. Let's try something.

I want to make a playlist with one song in every single language. Of course, this is impossible- the spotify playlist limit is something like 5,000- but I want to try. Of course, I can't do this alone, and so I'm sharing the project with the entire online language nerd/ music nerd community. Together we can celebrate linguistic diversity- and find some really cool music :)

Here's how it works. This spreadsheet will document every song and language represented. When you want to add a song, first look in the spreadsheet to see if that language is already represented. If it isn't, add the song to the playlist, and then add it to the spreadsheet.

What counts as a language? This is, as we all know, a fundamentally political question (Russian/ Ukrainian? Hindi/ Urdu? "Chinese" and its "dialects"...) We don't have to solve those debates here. My thinking is: the point is to celebrate linguistic diversity in as many forms as possible. If you can make a reasonable argument for why a song and its linguistic variety should be represented, go ahead and add it.

Yes, this means conlangs count (cause conlangs are SICK!) This also means dead languages count- throw in all the Latin and Classical Nahuatl you like. Glossolalia (à la Sigur Ros) and semi-linguistic scat-esque nonsense (à la Kobaian)? Sure, why not!

I'm calling this one song in every language, but we also want to highlight small and minority languages. So maybe we don't want ten different French songs, but if there are two or three different artists singing in Sami (especially different varieties of Sami), throw it in!

Let's make this awesome. Let's make this huge. Spread it around to every language nerd and music geek you know.

Thanks, dankon, merci, etc :)

[hotvintagepoll]

This is a three-way poll. Only one of these men will continue to the third round of the bracket.

Propaganda

Turhan Bey (The Climax, Arabian Nights, Prisoners of the Casbah)—Turkish matinee idol who actually got to break out of the mold of "sinister racist villain parts" to play romantic leading men

Bela Lugosi (Dracula)—no propaganda submitted beyond this link to a Tumblr gifset and this link to a Tumblr photo

Michael Redgrave (The Lady Vanishes)—my beautiful bisexual hot linguist geek dandy nerd. I'm specifically nominating him for "The Lady Vanishes," but how can you not love him in this—it's a strikingly modern performance, not a whiff of old school macho masculinity; he starts the movie as a bit of a cad, thoughtless and self-absorbed, but the second our heroine's in trouble he's attentive, he's helpful, he's running around speaking languages and helping her with international spycraft shenanigans and just being so funny and warm and JOYOUS. (and again. he is SO bisexual. see the picture [attached below]). he's hot in the debate club twink kinda way and i've never wanted to smooch an idiot more

This is round 2 of the bracket. All other polls in this bracket can be found here. Please reblog with further support of your beloved hot sexy vintage man.

[additional propaganda submitted under the cut.]

"BISEXUAL."

[isobelardent]

Obviously, the questions weren’t niche ships or shows(the other two not shown here were about Xena and SVU) so it wasn’t hard for anyone vaguely into shipping culture and fandom spaces to get all of the them right but it’s still brings a little joy when you do. An extra special delight when it contains three of my favourite ships (MSR, Destiel and Buddie, as posted here).

It was interesting that on a geek culture-specific version of Jeopardy all the other categories were selected first before eventually one of the teams chose one of the ship clues (the Buddie one and no one got it). I wonder if this says anything about fandom and shipping in particular as part of broader pop culture knowledge and how it’s perceived and valued?

Also it amuses me that they were using ’ship, which grammatically may be correct but IMO the term has probably been sufficiently entrenched linguistically to have the version without the apostrophe as a standard shortened form and the fandom meaning subsequently listed under homonym meanings for ‘ship’. (I’m sure there’s a dictionary example or two out there).

[he-is-lightning-in-a-bottle]

Interesting Linguistic Notes from Jun & Jun episode 4

In her phone conversation with Choi Jun, Young does not exactly call herself his "fiancé."

She uses the word 구녀로서, which roughly translates to "as your woman." 구녀 when used alone means "she/old woman," but when paired with 로서 (which means to do something as a person who holds a specific status) it transforms into the idea more along the lines of being that person's singular girl. So you'll sometimes see it translated to "as your old woman" because it's more akin to the slang way we refer to our moms and wives than it is to the way we might say "I'm your woman" to refer to ourselves as your romantic partner. It's less about the state of romantic ownership and more about the old and familiar. I don't know why the translation team chose to translate it as fiancé, unless it's possible they have access to later scripts and know something we don't. But even then, we can probably anticipate that she's not an official fiancé, but rather someone their parents expect him to marry.

My current bet is just on her being overly familiar with Choi Jun, as we saw from her speech patterns in the car ride with both Juns earlier that morning. When she realizes that she already calls Choi Jun "Jun-i Oppa" (an intimate and affectionate way to refer to an older male/brother, as spoken by a female) and she has to call Lee Jun something different, any normal Korean who wanted to breech that level of familiarity would suggest "Lee Jun Oppa" as a way to differentiate the two. But she's been raised in the US too and leaps into suggesting "Jun-i Eonni" (an intimate and familiar way to refer to an older woman/sister, as spoken by a female). Lee Jun comedically bristles at that, saying he'd rather she kept calling him "Pigeon" instead. But she doesn't care and brushes right past societal norms and even still refers to him as Eonni later in her phone conversation with Choi Jun. Choosing this is intentionally queer-coded language as well (because her Korean is otherwise so good, and she doesn't seem to be joking). It's like calling a gay man "girl," or "sister," or "queen."

Speaking of the ways others address Lee Jun, it's important to note that in the final scene Simeon repeatedly calls him 우리 이준씨, which basically translates "my Lee Jun." He's not speaking intimately, but he is claiming ownership. This is why we see Hyun Jae's bewildered and sad expression and Choi Jun's stunned and jealous expressions.

Finally, I'll share a tidbit that caused some confusion when @bengiyo watched the episode and take my comment out of the notes on Ben's post and put it here. In his breakroom conversation with Lee Jun, I think it VERY LIKELY Hyun Jae was vaguing about M/M relationships. Because Korean culture is still VERY homophobic, he was trying to feel out how accepting Lee Jun is towards diversity and possibly even invite him into a queer space. He begins by saying, "you know, people have different values depending on the environments they've lived in," and ends with "diversity is valued these days." But instead he "dug his own grave" because Lee Jun's brain immediately went to the morning's events and the confusion he feels from it all (particularly being invited to do a sexual favor for a man who then later received a kiss on the cheek from an overly familiar woman) and he basically said NO, SOME THINGS ARE TOO DIVERSE.

I expect we'll see Lee Jun try to draw more boundaries with Choi Jun, not because he's a man (he flirted back after all) and not because he's his boss (although that may play a role), but mostly because his current impression is that Choi Jun isn't serious. He thinks he flirts like this all the time because he's too American.

@absolutebl I'm tagging you again because you're a linguistic geek too!

[holyhaech]

we found love in aisle 4: yn’s circle

yn jeong. third year linguistics major. jaehyun’s lil sister. big fan of pokemon. met mark thru jaehyun when she was 11 and he was 12. she’s lowk highkey a big nerd loser geek but also! a big ball of sunshine 😁

jaehyun jeong. yn’s older brother. currently living his life with his boyfriends best friends. no one really knows what he does for a living? yn’s theory is that jungwoo is his sugar daddy. introduced mark to yn in middle school.

mark lee. fourth year music comp major. works at the local heb (has since junior year of hs) with jeno and jaemin. has a huge, major, fat crush on yn. been stuck in the friendzone since middle school.

karina yu. third year business major. met yn recently thru minjeong. alpha lesbian mommy of minjeong’s dreams. the only reason she is friends with yn is because minjeong needed a wingwoman💔. she’s 1/2 of yn’s girlies.

kim minjeong. third year criminology student. been yn’s bff since she moved from dallas in high school. on the opposite side of karina, she is a pathetic, loser lesbian who loves tits (and karina). has been yearning for karina since freshman year and won’t stop any time soon! 2/2 of yn’s girlies.

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[eri-pl]

Tengwar <3

It's the best thing Feanor made. Seriously. Nobody will murder you for using Tengwar. Nobody will hack your brain when you use Tengwar in the wrong moment. (The lamps are ok, but kinda meh, Tengwar is better)

Did you know, just did you know, that every consonant has a name, and the name is a noun, and some are really cool (and foreshadowing)? (chart and translations below the cut)

So, if you want a chart, here is a chart. And the names are (I don't have diacritics, so I just double the long vowels) (Quenya mode, with some historical notes from LotR appendix and elvish.org):

"Normal stuff Feanor had on his desk" row:

T tinco - metal

P parma - book

K calma - lamp (like those Feanor made? Or... like those Aule made)

Q quesse - feather (birds are important!)

"Things that keep you trapped" row:

ND ando - gate (like... the Door of Night?)

MB umbar - doom (doesn't need a comment...)

NG anga - iron (also, used in sword names, even for non-iron swords)

NGW (in TA changed to NW) ungwe - spider's web (foreshadowingsight on Feanor's part? :) )

"Mountain things???" row

S suule - spirit or breath (Manwe Sulimo... king of winds and stuff...) | TH thuule - spirit or breath, but I'm a Feanorian, or at least I'm a linguistics geek and love the phonetic scheme (me! but otoh it sounds dumb :( ), or I love the Teleri and/or Sindar, who use it as th (Finarfin, iirc).

F formen - north

H (h before t) harma (voiceless velar fricative phonetically /x/... I think. the sources are confusing. In TA mostly softened into a breath h.) - treasure (my precious Silmarills...) | aha (later renamed, idk when) - rage (my Silmarils! and, even more importantly, my father!)

HW (like "wh" in "why" especially the fancy British way of saying it where it's actyally h-w, not w-h) hwesta - breeze

"We need to name a row after places of articulation" row

NT anto - mouth (couldn't you think of a better name? I get it's a place-of-articulation row, but i don't like it anyway)

MP ampa - hook

NC anca - jaw

NQ unque - hole

"Things that Melkor likes" row:

N nuumen - west (Numenor...)

M malta - gold

NG (by TA: N) noldo - Noldo, as in type of Elf. Yes, it was initially Ngoldo. I mean, initially initially it was a gnome, so...

NW nwalme - tornment

"I have no idea but vaguely positive-metaphysical?..." row

R (pre-consonant or end-of-the-word R | non-vibrating r, whatever this means. My bet is that it's "r" as in Japanese --- position like "r", movement like "d") oore - heart (or: rising. Guess whose name includes this component. funny that it's the same word as heart, especially given that heart is also defined as conscience here)

V vala - power (duh.)

Y (? it has some history) [there was a consonant here]anna - gift (totally not made into a sus word by now...)

W/V (Initially W, by TA changed to V) wilya - air / lower sky (funny how those two names are next to one another. )

"Really, I think Feanor ran out of ideas for coherent name sets" row

R (vibrating, typpical "rrr") romen - east (the same sound being written with "East" and with a word alternatively translating to "heart" or part of Melkor's name --- I love it! Why? See my recent post. I love that. Call it a coincidence, but I love it)

RD arda - realm

L lambe - speech

LD alda - tree (!)

Now we are not in regular rows, so, the extra letters:

S silme - starlight (or... metaphysically important light in general? because guess what word is connected to this one. Also, funny how it's just after "tree"). It's always S, never TH.

(nuquerma is just "flipped" or something I guess)

Z aaze - day / sunlight (in Noldorin changed to Z - aare) | SS esse (Numenor and later, because they did not use the "z" sound, I think) - name

HY (Numenor and later: H) hywarmen - south

I yanta - bridge

U uure - heat

(doesn't have a sound, in Sindarin it's A) osse - terror (I guess he isn't a very nice Maia?)

H (voiceless h: /h/ not /x/; in TA replaced by harmen) halla - tall | gasdil - stop

(short wovel carrier) telco - stem

(long carrier) aara - dawn

The Tengwa names after directions are also used as marks in the compass (like we use NSWE) And snarky comments aside, I love the schema and how the names connect into many interesting and often Silm-events-related patterns. I love how each (almost) row is named after a set of similar things.

I'm not an expert, and if I made some mistakes, I'll be grateful for corrections.