#ml fandom break up discourse

[asukiess]

I think Marinette and Adrien should break up but like only like she’s on the phone with him and he’s like hey we should get married someday, you can wear my other ring :) and she’s like chzzzzsssszszszzzzz Adrien? I’m going through a tunnel and sssccchhh break cccczzzzzz up czzzzchhhh

[purrincess-chat]

Ironically, "Marinette is dumped by Adrien, then gets into romantic relationship with Chat Noir" is more or less beginning of "Chat Blanc"

It's basically as if (some) MariChat shippers want first half of "Chat Blanc" (where Chat Noir has "happy romantic relationship with Marinette" after finding out that she is Ladybug and deciding to don't tell her about it) to happen, but without "second half" (where Gabriel finds out that "Adrien = Chat Noir" and exploits it to akumatize Chat Noir into Chat Blanc)

There's a really weird double standard in the fandom, and a lot of people infantalize Adrien and are weirdly protective of him. So, I think a lot of people are taking the secret keeping personally, but the thing about it is, it shouldn't fall on Marinette to reveal all of the dirt on his family. Nathalie tried to have Gabriel tell him two seasons ago, but they never did and never pushed it again. I think if anyone should tell him, it should be Nathalie. Ya know, an actual adult in the situation who knows more than Marinette does.

Marinette has had her own share of trauma the past few seasons and has had to deal with way more than she should have. I think one telling moment to me that a lot are overlooking throughout this whole discourse is in Migration when Adrien is talking to the blue boy about Marinette keeping secrets from him back then. He wasn't pressed about knowing the secret; he just didn't want her to feel guilty about it. Because he has secrets too. I can maybe see a similar situation happening in s6 where she feels guilty about it, and maybe it does cause some contention in their relationship, but it doesn't necessarily mean they have to break up over it. They could and probably will work through it. I doubt she will ever tell him, at least not as Marinette bc that would mean a reveal, and we know the writers are milking that for all it's worth, so I doubt the secret is going to break them up necessarily.

The main and most plausible threat I could see is Lila/Cerise/Iris/whoever the fuck. But we will have to see.

[starryjkoo]

The most ridiculous thing for me about this whole voting situation is the constant attempts at shaming and guilt tripping for wanting to vote for Jimin? As if that makes people not “true armys” or whatever phrase they use. Why are people who vote for Jimin automatically solos/fake bts fans? He is literally Jimin of BTS. Not to mention, the concept of *true fans* is already stupid because no one has actual authority to declare what makes that in the first place.

I’ve been around army spaces for years as a Jimin biased fan, and it’s definitely escalated as time goes on with how much shaming is enabled/encouraged if you don’t follow the general fandom’s consensus of the members’ “places” for lack of a better term.

The members were boxed into specific frameworks years ago by the fandom, yet those ideas still stick around as new fans adopt them too. So when Jimin deviates from what’s expected of his “place”, (being more successful than expected) there’s always pushback because some people are really weirdly intense about having a say in that. Some fans genuinely see him only as the ever-supportive cheerleader for everyone else. Jimin can be successful, but only if he doesn’t outshine anyone. Successfully breaking out as much as he did puts him on the chopping block now.

I like the RL members but a lot of their fans have strange superiority and victim complexes. They can’t seem to accept that the solo ventures will not be equally as popular which is a given. Different genres attract different audiences, it’s common sense. You’d think they were told their bias is talentless with the way words are constantly twisted. I don’t understand the intensity for this AMA voting in particular when NJ was also nominated for 2 other awards. I barely see any support for those, yet when it involves Jimin fans suddenly have to take sides? It’s stupid

Sorry for the rant but for me this voting fiasco is just a culmination of way older issues

They’re losing their minds at anybody voting for Jimin because they know that if even a small amount of ARMYs vote for him he’ll win. They absolutely do NOT want that to happen considering they’ve turned this whole voting situation into an opportunity to unleash their pent up resentment over “ML privilege” and “RL neglect”. It’s also turned into a very heated battle against solos (despite the fact that there are plenty of non-solos wanting to vote for Jimin too). All of that is why they’re being extremely aggressive, antagonistic, and controlling about this. There’s a certain desperation in making sure no one votes for JM which is extraordinarily gross to witness. All of the “don’t split the votes or we’ll lose!” comments are actually “don’t split the votes or JM will win and RM will lose!”. They're just too spineless to say that, but that’s what they actually mean.

& yeah, it’s definitely about it being JM specifically for a lot of reasons, one of which is all the people who are still stuck on TMA (they need to touch grass and get some therapy). He’s had a lot of recent wins and JK hasn’t had an official release since 2023, so Jimin has been at the forefront of this whole “ML favoritism” discourse.

There are a lot of RL diets in this fandom but they never get called out because it’s normalized to victimize RL so they feel legitimized in their open bitterness. They disguise their shady JM anti tweets behind a smokescreen of “justified anger for the RL neglect” but no… they're just being bitter losers because they're overly biased and internalizing RL success and want them to have the kind of success that they value (mainstream awards, big numbers) because they spend too much time in stan spaces.

The members were boxed into specific frameworks years ago by the fandom, yet those ideas still stick around as new fans adopt them too. So when Jimin deviates from what’s expected of his “place”, (being more successful than expected) there’s always pushback because some people are really weirdly intense about having a say in that. Some fans genuinely see him only as the ever-supportive cheerleader for everyone else. Jimin can be successful, but only if he doesn’t outshine anyone. Successfully breaking out as much as he did puts him on the chopping block now.

I agree entirely, and you put it perfectly. A lot of ARMYs really have this warped relationship with BTS that feels so controlling and entitled. I think it shows in how a lot of accounts have this weird tone where they act like they’re an official spokesperson for the group or something. A lot of fans find comfort in BTS (me included) but I think that can lead to some feeling even stronger about keeping them in specific parameters that they find comfortable and familiar. It’s pretty dehumanizing. So many ARMYs are also overly biased and get weird when one of the members that are not part of their bias line/ship succeeds too much, and that’s Jimin for a lot of them.

The perception they have of him is very odd in general but I still remember pretty vividly how at the beginning of CH2 a lot of people were pretty blunt in saying they thought tkk would have the most successful solo careers. After FACE era there were soooo many posts and comments in all ARMY spaces that were basically like “just wait until tkk debut!” basically saying if Jimin managed to do all that, tkk were about to be off the charts insane. And then when Layover came out and THs numbers for the most part lagged a good bit behind JM there were all these crash outs in ARMY spaces (not solo or diets even, ARMYs) because they couldn’t understand how he could be so solidly third when their mental rankings and fandom narratives had his popularity dwarfing JMs.

There were all these think pieces about the fandom not appreciating non-pop and punishing TH for xyz reason and it was genuinely so odd because THs numbers weren’t bad at all, they just weren’t Jikook’s numbers, or I imagine specifically Jimin's. Anyone who has actually payed even… a little bit of attention to past music releases would have always known Jikook were the most likely to have the biggest chart success because historically their solo songs have ALWAYS been first or second in popularity (JM 2/3 most popular if we just count the official BTS solos which is why it’s bizarre ppl had low expectations for him).

I like the RL members but a lot of their fans have strange superiority and victim complexes. They can’t seem to accept that the solo ventures will not be equally as popular which is a given. Different genres attract different audiences, it’s common sense. You’d think they were told their bias is talentless with the way words are constantly twisted. I don’t understand the intensity for this AMA voting in particular when NJ was also nominated for 2 other awards. I barely see any support for those, yet when it involves Jimin fans suddenly have to take sides? It’s stupid

Honestly the RL thing… I think I’m probably one of the least sympathetic people on that whole issue which is kind of funny and surprising because I really do like RL. I’ve seen people who are even more overly biased than me acknowledging that the fandom lets them down and I’ve just never really felt that way about it even though I agree the fandom could do better and I get wanting a convo on that. But I guess because

RL are extremely respected in the industry. ARMYs make it sound like they’re really just these sad sacks out there, but they have a lot of respect and are spoken of very highly by a lot of people in the industry. Their specific choices might not always lead to high numbers, but the tradeoff is they gain a lot of clout from creatives. Look at all the critical praise for RPWP for example (I think VL have a lot of respect too don’t get me wrong, they’ve just had less time working on their solo careers).

Maybe because… I actually listen to alternative indie music? And it’s never had high numbers, like ever. When I listened to RPWP I really liked it but I knew it probably wasn’t going to chart well. It might suck a bit for RM because he’s used to charting high with BTS (and I think he said in his docu that he’s someone with a lot of contradictions or something like that) but I think that’s just the reality of putting out music like that unless you get very lucky or go viral. His streams and support for making that kind of music are miles ahead of the majority of artists who do, and there really are a lot of ARMYs who openly enjoy, appreciate, and stream it.

sort of on a similar note there’s a lot of reasons why it’s particularly difficult for a non-english speaking person to break into the western rap scene and if someone doesn’t understand that, and refuses to acknowledge it, they’re just being purposefully obtuse. I’m not saying it’s impossible or not to try but it’s way more difficult and that’s just how it is.

ARMYs clearly do love RL, they get hit tweets and lots of engagement on social media and look at the response to JH’s tour. It’s ridiculous to argue otherwise. The main difference in support has always come from solo fans and casual stans, not ARMYs

ARMYs can lash out at someone bringing up the genre argument but it's always going to play a key role in chart performance and that’s simply how it is. They think ARMYs can just brute force these songs to have high numbers but we've never been great at longevity and the people who zombie stream have always been a minority. There’s also less and less willing to do all that as the hiatus goes on. Also very obviously having a big solo fanbase is key here, but they won’t acknowledge that either so…

And on the pretension it’s extremely obnoxious and misplaced but I guess it’s how some of them cope. I think it’s super weird when ARMYs specifically start openly shading pop music and putting it down as a way to uplift RL. They really don’t have to do all that but it’s their own insecurities about charts and numbers because so much of this fandom was built around that I guess. VL music isn’t inferior because it’s “pop��� imo FACE was one of the most complex and interesting works to come out of CH2 and JM specifically did something very unique in his artistry by having the choreo play a big role in the storytelling, and he deserves more kudos for that.

Anyways yeah ARMYs have allowed all this open resentment for Jimin to fester and form in the main fandom and this is the culmination of that for me. It’s so toxic because a lot of the “RL deserves better” posts won’t actually work to get anyone to support them, it just makes people more openly resentful and antagonistic towards ML (particularly Jikook). That’s why this current situation isn’t people rallying for Namjoon, it’s people rallying against Jimin. That’s what a lot of the RL stream discourse is about at the end of the day, because you’re 100% right about the whole ARMYs being controlling thing. They can’t get the RL support to go up no matter how much they try, so they want to tear Jimin down instead to equalize things because that is something they can control.

Successfully breaking out as much as he did puts him on the chopping block now.

Yeah, I was thinking about this. It’s sad because if Jimin loses a few awards and his next release flops you’d see ARMYs start being nicer to him again and I think that’s incredibly toxic. They really don’t want him to be TOO successful and in a way he’s being punished for having a big solo fandom too. CH2 has really brought out the worst in this fandom, it’s just so sad to see.

Not to mention, the concept of true fans is already stupid because no one has actual authority to declare what makes that in the first place.

Oh and I meant to say I 10000000% agree with this!!

(and never apologize for ranting, I enjoy reading rants. Sorry for rambling all over the place in my response lol)

(also obviously it's not ALL ARMYs but it's a lot of them this time and it's hard not to feel pessimistic)

[gmmtv-bl-tournament-but-evil]

I'm never around for the drama that unfolds bts since i don't hang around in the fandom much. so these are my (mostly) unbiased opinions lol

when i see comments saying cps don't have chemistry in dramas i end up confused because i enjoyed their drama because of how good they were romantically lmao even if the plot is weak. but honestly im not the best judge at that because if i don't vibe with the drama, i usually say it's not my type and move on. the fact that the plot could be at fault never crosses my mind until i see others opinion [looks at hidden agenda] (im sorry HA enjoyers im glad you liked it but it wasn't my type)

probably why i was able to enjoy bbs and its our skyy 2 and thought ohmnanon had strong chemistry. it was only after our skyy 2 did i know about their "break up" and that was very weird to me because they seemed pretty good friends in the bts I've seen. i wasn't a fan but i did like them a lot. And then i see comments saying they did not have chemistry in our skyy 2 which always gets me cause wdym they didn't look like they were in love

another one would be jimmysea in vice versa that some seemed to think got no chemistry either which i don't agree with because while the plot was all over the place with the constant ads, i never felt like they weren't into each other. i struggled through the drama because i wanted to see them end up together cause they were cute af. saw someone say it's probably because they don't fit the uke/seme stereotype which could be it? idk. I'm not a fan of the actors but im glad they got last twilight cause they seem to be nailing their roles in it.

unpopular opinion im guessing but i thought perthchimon had romantic chemistry in dr. i won't say it's strong like others but i watched it for them so. the theme didn't remain the same after ep 2 but a cute bl is up my alley so I wasn't that disappointed lol. though they can't kiss for shit lmao but im not the one to shame them and i hope they get better at it if they have another bl. i watched nlmg after and chopper stole the show for me. i liked both of them in it too (more than the mls but it's mainly because i couldn't stand their dynamic. phuwin character being whiney and having pond character fall for him again annoyed me because it reminds me of futs and i was against them ending up together in it lmao. i just wasn't able to get into nlmg much. genuinely no offense im glad there are others who enjoy them fr)

discourses online say all these cps were too bro-like which i get why but as a fellow gay man, this does happen irl. I've had people who were shocked at the fact that my partner and i were actually dating because we act like bros lmfao. and tmi, but who cares, im often called a twink irl. anygays these three really stood out to me because i liked them a lot in their shows so yeah i had to drop an ask since prev anons were discussing this lol

I get where you’re coming from, I'm also someone who doesn't engage in fandom very assidiously although my desire to know everything about everything means I usually know what's going on regardless whether I particularly want to or not. A lot of information seems to just randomly fall into my lap!

I partly agree with people who say that the OhmNanon chemistry was somewhat diminished in Our Skyy 2 though not so dramatically that it wasn't enjoyable.

Agreed on JimmySea and Vice Versa, I don't actively hate it but most of the reason I stayed was them. Those ads truly did some damage there. Last Twilight, though, holy shit! I would now kill and die for JimmySea. I really don't know if their distance from the usual relationship roles had anything to do with their popularity - or lack thereof -, it's really not something that had occurred to me before now, so thank you for that fresh perspective!

Yeah, Dangerous Romance wasn't excellent but I've seen much much worse and while it's true there's a lot of room for improvement ("PerthChimon can't kiss for shit" got a genuine laugh out of me), they weren't completely unsalvageable.

As for PondPhuwin, Phuwin does seem to get that type of character a lot and in terms of their dynamic, it can get old fast. I will say, though, that FUTS had me laughing irl a lot so I tend to hold a little more affection for it than I do NLMG. But that's just me.

And hell yeah for that last part! The discourse that pisses me off the most about BL is when people get upset about couples in stories not conforming to their idea of what a relationship should look like. If I'm being completely honest, I think GMMTV tends to use the same dynamic more often than other production houses which I sometimes find extremely frustrating because when something new and different comes out a lot of people get upset it doesn't align to the standard GMMTV sets by virtue of being arguably the most popular producer of BL.

[jennahuh]

It is breaking my heart to see that discourse has started in the ML fandom, people are either bashing Marinette or bashing Adrien when the whole point of the show is that there are no sides! Just secrets and miscommunication! The creator of the show knows exactly what he is doing, he has been doing it since season one, we just need to give him the faith he has so rightly earned that he will address the issues but in a fictional way! It is a show, a story, the reason everyone is getting worked up is cuz they are releasing one episode at a time and only the writers know whats going to happen next.

I understand that discourse happens in most fandoms but trust me when i say that fighting each other on what MIGHT or MIGHT NOT happen is not how to fix it!

Why do you think people don’t really talk about the Voltron fandom or the Steven Universe fandom anymore. I’m not saying that they were bad shows, in fact i found a lot of my favorite artists through the art those shows inspired, but when people start arguing and blocking each other because they are getting too caught up in hypotheticals, discourse happens, and there is an INSANE PRESSURE ON THE CREATOR TO SOLVE EVERYBODY’S PROBLEMS! Voltron kinda flubbed it on its finale because there were a lot of insulting tropes they unintentionally used but Steven Universe literally ended with Steven getting therapy and accepting that everything which happened to him in during the span of the show took a toll on his mental (and physical) health! I adored the message!!

ML is building up to an identity reveal because no reveal is going to satisfy the fans unless some crazy amount of miscommunication is going to be cleared up. My only fear is that this is an excuse to make Chat Noir a villain for the season finale and then leave us on a cliff hanger

If that happens, the fandom might explode... and not in a good way...

[ilikekidsshows]

Green! I mean, I never really consuming media with such critical thinking and only enjoy it as it is. (Perhaps that's why I never see the hints that people been saying to be all over the episodes as proof as Adrien being a senti being?) But you!!! You're one of my favorite ml analyst and I'm amazed by how big your brain is, especially the kwami swap. I really like your analytical thinking about it and I must say it give me ideas and also realization that swapping kwamis would affect the character development of the holder and swapping partner could also change the theme of the show altogether. It just something that I never think before because the fanfiction that I used to read didn't approach it that way like I've read a what if story where Adrien and Marinette swap the kwamis but it end up swapping their personality along the way where Marinette is the flirt and still girlbossing while Adrien is the stuttering mess. It's cute but after reading your kwami swap... Let's just say I feel embarrassed when I think about it because it's not the Adrien and Marinette I knew LMAO and it also make me want to make a story with a proper characterization this time. Thanks a lot for the ideas, all the metas and analysis! I'm grateful I following you. Sorry for the grammar error I hope it's still make senses. 😂

@marrys-dream-world: For the ask game - green <3

“What color am I to you?” ask game

I work out all of my muscles. Including my brain. Somebody has to carry the discourse. :P

Sincerity mode, though: thanks, I'm so happy to see that people find my stuff insightful and interesting.

The reason my Kwami Swaps focus on character arcs and story progression is because I was a writer of fiction before I was a writer of analysis. From the start when I started gaining tools for analysis from university, I was interested in how to use those tools to build more complex stories. I was especially interested in how genres are formed, recognized and reconstructed and that became my speciality and what I based my Master's Thesis on.

You know how certain fandoms have specific types of fics that get common? And then, when fics of that type become more widely spread they all just start copying details or downright story beats from each other? Those fanfics become so similar, they basically form a mini genre of their own. My favorite type of fic to write these days is to pick a genre of fanfic that interests me, compare typical examples of it, and recreate it with a new spin, to try and break away from the overused story devices and breathe new life and creativity into a stagnant genre.

There's nothing wrong with a personality swap, per se. My guilty pleasure in the Undertale fandom is Underswap, after all. Although, I admit that it's mostly because it is also a target of reinvention by other fans as well when people wonder how the characters' lives need to change for the swaps to make sense or how their canon personalities would fit into a swapped role if their personalities remain unchanged. The problem with swaps only comes into play if they're not actually used to create anything new. "The same stuff happens but the names are changed" isn't really that interesting in the long run. This is why swap AUs usually just start as fanart, since you don't need a story for that, but as soon as there's fic or comics coming out, it starts getting fleshed out more.

My biggest hope for my Kwami Swap content is, indeed, that it inspires others to make their own Kwami Swap content, so go for it.

Go nuts, Anon.

[purrincess-chat]

People in this fandom really be like "Oh no we're not salting on Adrienette/Marinette, we're coming up with worst-case scenarios just for fun and then expecting them to happen in canon. The fact that we're the same people who used to whine about canon "killing off ladynoir" for months and that the funny break-up/cheating scenarios are always about Adrienette is just a coincidence, it's totally unrelated, no no you don't understand, it's different. We don't want Adrienette to break up for real, nobody wants it, but a breakup would be beneficial for them, so we'll be holding our breath.". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As someone who was both around for the great Chameleon salt wars as well as a participant in them, at least the salters back then could admit that we were salty and owned up to it. We called shit writing way back then and people were like "no, the writing is great you guys are just so picky and don't understand the show" and now that canon has done something they don't like they're doing the same shit but insisting they're different and better 😂 like nah, babes, yall are salty. Say it with your chest.

And like I'm not immensely pleased with the ending of s5, but Adrinette is not what went wrong last season. Adrinette was one of the only good parts of the latter half of s5. I still hold that their development in s5 was good, and I appreciate how they handled their relationship with going slow and building trust and understanding. Everything that happened with Gabriel that whole season is what was wrong with s5. But we don't see anyone talking about that shit. Everything is Adrinettes fault, or more specifically, Marinette's fault, and she needs to be punished and get dumped by the boy of her dreams so she can run into his arms again in a cat suit for comfort. That's not likely to fuck either of them up when a reveal happens. How could it? 🤡

Point blank, if yall are actively rooting for an Adrinette breakup solely bc you want LN to get together or want Marinette to be punished for keeping secrets, yall are salty. Own it.

[purrincess-chat]

In thinking about tags and tagging hate comments, I've realized that not a lot of people know how/what that means, so here is some advice from your local former-salt poster.

If you mention something by name, it will pop up in tumblr search. For instance, if I just say Adrien Agreste, this can pop up when anyone searches for Adrien Agreste, even if I don't tag him (because tumblr is coded by beavers). The easiest way to circumvent this is by breaking up his name with // so Ad//rien Ag//reste or something similar. Alternatively, you can come up with a nickname for whoever or whatever you're talking about so that people who see your post on your blog will know what you are referring to, but it will 100% keep it out of searches. Continuing to use Adrien as an example because people clown on him a lot, you might refer to him as sunshine boy or the cat boy in your posts instead of referring to him by name. Most of my followers know I've adopted this method for a certain other boy in the show, but that's besides the point 😏

That brings us to tagging. Now this is personal preference for me, but I've found it to be effective. Using the same logic as above, if anything in your tags contains a character or ship name, it's going to pop up in the search. All of my Ladrien Wednesday posts pop up in the Ladrien search because they contain the word Ladrien, even though I don't tag them exclusively as "#ladrien". Even if you tag something as "[character] salt" or "anti [ship]" you've still used the name. And while someone could just blacklist that tag, a lot of the time they have to see the content first before they block the tag. The advice I'm giving here is how to keep your posts out of these searches entirely. Personally, I use the same nickname method as above. So, for instance when I wanted to talk about a character I don't particularly care for, I adopted the tag "#blue one salt" for all posts on that subject matter. And ya know what, my posts never popped up in his tags. People who follow me were still welcome to blacklist that tag if they didnt want to see those posts too.

Now all you non-salty people might be saying, "But, Cat, then we will have a million tags to blacklist" and here's the thing: tumblr is at its heart, a curate your own experience platform. What you see directly correlates to who you are choosing to follow, or where you are choosing to look. No one holds a gun to your head and says follow this person or search this tag. If someone posts content you don't like, unfollow them. But if they have established a consistent tagging system, it's then your job to decide what you do and don't want to see. My blacklist is a mile long, but ya know what? I don't see shit I don't want to anymore. Imagine that. It takes maybe 10 seconds to add something to the blacklist.

If other people are being considerate enough to provide you a means, but you're too lazy to use it, that's on you, friend. If someone consistently posts content that bothers you, unfollow them. "But what if I like their fic/art" no one is telling you that you can't tune back in every now and then to check for the stuff you want to see. If it's fic, they likely post it on another platform that has the option to follow or subscribe to a story. If it's art, a lot of people have a personal art tag, or a tag for a particular AU they're doing, or hell even an instagram. Follow those tags.

At the end of the day, regardless of what people do, it's your job to tailor your experience how you want it. Grow up and make those decisions for yourself. Absolutely do not content police. Ask someone to tag something, sure, but never ever say "I don't like this, you shouldn't have posted it" because you could easily just unfollow them.

Personally, I don't care if people like or dislike certain characters/ships, and I feel like a lot of people in fandom don't. What we care about is when you insert those negative opinions into spaces that are meant to be positive. Someone going through the Adrien Agreste tag is likely looking for cute art or fanfic involving him. What they don't want to see is why you think he is a literal spawn of satan. Or whatever you're posting about. And you can argue that they can blacklist tags and curate their own experience, which is true and they should, but you can also choose to not be an asshole and make it easier for them to do so. Because at best people will just block you, but at worst you may start some discourse and get an angry mob in your inbox. We all have to work together in this regard. Salters should be considerate enough to keep their hate out of primary tags, and non-salty people should utilize the filtering/blacklist system available to them to avoid content they don't wish to see.

Be considerate. That's all anyone is asking. Personally, I have no problem with people expressing their opinions on their own blogs, but you need to do so responsibly. Give people the option to see your posts by using proper tagging and censoring. "But Cat, if I don't use main tags how will anyone ever see my posts?" I hear you, but here's the thing: using the main tags won't always attract the people you want on your posts. If your intention is to send out a mating call for other people that think like you, use the ml salt tag (because people perusing that tag are often looking for salt) or join a discord or some shit. There are plenty of them in this fandom. By posting all of your character/ship hate in main tags, all you're doing is clogging the tag, pissing people off, and making fandom less enjoyable for everyone. Just don't be a dick. That's all anyone wants.