#post-pacifist run
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thinking about how the extra area added on to a pacifist run of undertale, the true lab, is about alphys's past mistakes. how it ends with the story reaffirming that, despite the pain she's caused, the thing that matters is that she has now made the choice to do the right thing. she's still worthy of her friends' love.
thinking about how undertale doesn't expect the player to get a pacifist ending for the first time. how it's more likely than not that the player will kill toriel the first time they battle her, how lots of players don't initially figure out how to end undyne's fight without killing her, etc. what it expects — not even expects, really, but hopes — is that the player, if they care enough, will use their canonically acknowledged power over time to make up for those mistakes.
no matter how many neutral runs a player has done before committing to the pacifist run, the thing that matters to the characters, to the story, is that you've chosen, now, to do the right thing.
compared to alphys, the player honestly gets off lightly, in that you're the only one (other than flowey) who really remembers any harm you might have caused. and any direct guilting the game could have done about it is long past at this point. instead, as undertale often does, it makes its point via parallels: alphys caused harm, and she knows it. she has committed to being better. in doing so, she has unlocked for herself a better ending to her story. and she deserves it. she's forgiven.
those structural narrative parallels are all over undertale, if you know where to look. and that's one of the things that makes it so fuckin' good.
#undertale#alphys#true lab#this inspired by a mutual's alphys posting#and a discord convo i had a couple weeks back about ut's stance on ''punishing'' the player vs the monsters for their actions#and thoughts i've had generally post a certain fangame with a color in its name about just how well ut is structured as a narrative#everyone rightfully praises toby fox's character writing but stuff like this i think flies under the radar a bit by comparison#and it deserves to be appreciated#there's obvious Lore reasons why the true lab is only visited in a pacifist run (what's revealed about chara and flowey)#but this is the other half of it: the message of alphys's story hits hardest on a paci route post neutral runs#toby fox is a good writer more often than not
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don't cry
#undertale#frisk undertale#asriel dreemurr#chara dreemurr#undertale fanart#what#another ut posting#more likely than you think#played the pacifist run#needless to say im destroye#artists on tumblr#illustration#my art
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I know that it's common fanon belief to see Starlo as the younger sibling between him and Orion, but I actually like the idea of Starlo being the older brother and what it means for his family dynamic. Generally, the older sibling is expected to be the more responsible and mature sibling in the family. There's this expectation that the older sibling sets an example for the younger sibling(s) and that they'll look after the family/business once the parents get too old to do so themselves. So, what does it mean when the older sibling sorta betrays those familial expectations by behaving immaturely and ditching the family to do their own thing?
I'm trying to figure out how to put this into words in a clear and concise way, but I feel like if it's a case of Starlo being the younger brother, then there's this sorta "Ah, that's just the younger brother acting like a kid, y'know how it is. He'll grow out of it" dynamic, whereas if Starlo is the older brother, then it's more of a "Okay, he should've grown out of this by now, why's he still acting like this? Even Orion is more mature than him; what is going on?" sorta deal. (This frustration would be especially felt by Orion, who has to pick up Starlo's slack in his stead because his older brother isn't mature enough to work like he's supposed to!!!)
These are just personal musings, don't take my word as gospel! You can still do tons of interesting things with the Sunnyside family while having Starlo be the younger brother and Orion the older one. I just find myself gravitating more towards seeing Starlo as the older sibling.
#idk how much grounds i have to speak on this because I'm the youngest sibling in my family and I'm not all that close with my older sibling#(nothing crazy going on there. we just grew into different people and we don't interact much in our daily lives)#but like. with older siblings there's generally all these heavier expectations around you. you're supposed to be what your#younger sibling looks up to. you're supposed to set the bar that the rest of your siblings get measured against.#so what does it mean when--from the family's perspective--you set the bar pretty low by running off from your family/responsibilities#and dedicate your life to LARPing as a cowboy?#obviously Starlo's family loves him. but they don't seem all too supportive. Orion is annoyed by his brother's antics.#Crestina expects him to grow out of it. Solomon is the most positive about it but that's bc he thinks that Starlo did it to#indirectly save the family business.#they only seem to come around post true-pacifist when Starlo opens up to them more and they sell corn in the W.E.#there's something that's lingering on the tip of my tongue about this but i can't articulate it.#something something age =/= maturity and all that? i guess?#char: starlo#char: orion
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hibiscia!!! Sorry if youve explained before but is there something specific about reset-remember fics that you hate? I don't really like them either but for me it's just because I feel like a lot of authors type sans in very ooc ways
They're completely antithetical to Sans' character arc for the sake of cheap and easy angst. The nature of his brand of cosmic horror isn't in reliving his life again and again, that's Flowey's. Sans knows OF the anomaly, knows that it's manipulating time and knows it's a threat to the entire universe, but he doesn't know how or why, because he doesn't remember.
And that's crucial! him being mostly in the dark in spite of the MANY warning signs about us... because it's in that doubt that he remains hopeful. YES we could potentially end the world... but what if we don't? yes we have unimaginable power over everyone else and we can bring back time, but what if we're just.... sad? he needs that gap in his knowledge so he can take a leap of faith across it, it's his entire character arc in the pacifist run. sans THINKS he's given up, he wants to have given up, he chose to do it because there's a comfort in that. in contenting yourself with good food and bad laughs. there's peace. but he hasn't given up, not really. on himself? maybe. but not in us.
there's no way to have that arc if he remembers resets.
#this is also why i don't like post pacifist sans angst where he worries about resets. unless there's like a Reason for frisk to reset#kinda like sam did in UG with the incident with the blasters#because ppl take his lines during the NM fight as a given without considering that... it's the fucking NM run? lol#he's talking about reaching the surface from the point of view of a sans who's only ever been antagonized by the anomaly#ie reaching the surface meant through asgore's plan being successful#pacifist achieves that in a scenario where he actively befriends and loves and cares about the anomaly. he trusts us!!#it would feel unfair to his friend if he were convinced they were going to shit on their happy ending. that's a really shitty thing to thin#it's actually sth i wanted to handle in dv. having a kid REALLY fucks with his paranoia. it's irrational but understandable#that doesn't stop him from feeling guilty towards frisk for worrying about it. or feeling worried at all#undertale#sans#answered asks#metanalysis
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True Pacifist be like:

#undertale#undertale yellow#desert sanctuary#desert sanctuary au#uty au#undertale au#undertale yellow au#uty#clover uty#undertale yellow clover#clover undertale yellow#uty clover#uty flowey#undertale flowey#flowey undertale#flowey#flowey the flower#asriel dreemurr#true pacifist#pacifist run#post pacifist#undertale pacifist#undertale meme
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toby fox and co youve done it again
#ingi post!#40+ hrs in deltarune and I JUST finished one complete run (ch1-4 no mercy + snowgrave) and have already started another (ch1-4 pacifist)#seeing the consequences of ch2 snowgrave play out in ch4 literally had my jaw drop at the viscerality of it#also just like. with ch1-2 deltarune i felt it was already on the same quality level as undertale but ch3-4 rlly surpassed my expectations#by like *a lot* a lot#3D!!! was not expecting 3D stuff at all!!#and we have still 3 more chapters to go?? holy shit#ch3-4 rlly just set it in for me that deltarune as a game is going to be a much larger and more ambitious game than undertale#anw this run was literally the first time i beat jevil ever (woo!)#second time for me to beat snowgrave spamton neo (literally was asking myself how i beat this guy the first time from a couple of yrs ago#while i fought him again)#and i died to ch3 secret boss' final attack a lot before realizing i was doing the whole fight wrong lol#fav boss fight that i did in the entire run was actually prob ch4 secret boss (in the newest dark world)#(havent done the other one since i fought the darkners in ch3)#loved the vibes of that entire fight#also the jumpscare (dread) of having hard undertale bullet patterns show up in ch3-4 😃 (loved the iteration in the undyne fight mechanics)#and the jumpscare (positive) that is sans deltarune#loved the bits where he showed up 😁 esp at the end of ch4 (i like that they put that whole scene at the end after *gestures at 2nd half#of ch4*)#not looking forward to a megalovania 2 (or similar no mercy fight from another character) if thats in the cards at all tho#anw quickfire thoughts#loved the new lightner dark world designs! unique but still evokes the vibe of their undertale counterparts#what the HELL is the song coming from across the lake??#its raining somewhere else!!! might be the first undertale melody to properly show up in deltarune iirc#i bet the fandom is having fun with battle throuple (happy pride month) shenanigans and whatever happened with spamton and 📺 lol#dess is def in that creepy shelter now (for how long tho? smthn mightve happened to her that makes her no longer recogniseable [to others#and/or herself])#the fact that 📺 is PRE-RENDERED 3D GRAPHICS?? (i love saying “PRE-RENDERED 3D GRAPHICS??” everytime i see their sprite)#does asgore know about the dark worlds?? he seems like someone that could know about it (conspiracy board+being former chief of police#means he prob know the facts about dess' dissapearance)
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Jokes on you I searched a new word beforehand!!
Sybaritic.
#I'm running out of words :00#undertale#undertale yellow#uty clover#undertale souls#integrity soul#kindness soul#justice soul#bravery soul#perseverance soul#patience soul#undertale au#oc#post pacifist
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at the asriel fight in lv0 ps!outertale. chara. chara why are you shocked asriel is alive. asriel LITERALLY talked two seconds ago about that time a couple resets ago where he regained his asriel form and we killed everyone lmao
#xan plays outertale#like its not even like the game isnt acknowledging it#this is a. post chaotic pacifist run with a regular reset#asriel didnt even say he was tired of being a star and instead said THIS was better than last time he regained his goat form..?#and called me rotten for murdering everyone and then doing this...#chara hon. stop living under a rock
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woe six (five actually) human souls designs be upon you. very fresh designs that will probably be more fleshed out in the future once i’m less busy
#i’m not quite happy with integrity’s design#tried to make them all weird kids since toby fox is a weird kid connoisseur#for simplicity they’re all they/them#i have no idea where they all are on the timeline#i don’t think they mesh that well with undertale but i’ll figure it out later#undertale#undertale fanart#six human souls#undertale human souls#i def need to hone these#patience is based off another undertale oc of mine i didn’t post here. i think theyre neat :)#all of patience’s motifs are simple and kinda basic? so i made them a kid. their things seem v similar to frisk’s#so frisk has to kind of be similar to patience right? which makes sense considering the canonical amount of resets and runs frisk has been#through and the amount of time the true pacifist run takes#all of the souls properties lead back to determination. so idk#edit: oh i forgot to add a thing about kindness’ green soul mode#well food heals. and they’re inherently a kind person so of course they would heal you
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OOC:
Anyway. Sorry for being grumpy earlier. Got heated 100%-ing P2 achievements.
#ooc#ooc post#I'm only left with 4 hardest for me personally#2 related to POSTAL difficulty; PL speedrun and PL pacifist run
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i CANNOT get past the final boss in chapter 4 and i refuse to engage with posts abt d-ltarune for fear of like. story spoilers. ive read a couple reddit threads on strategies i just SUCK at bullet hells and I'm gonna lose it
#my post#didn't want to show up in the main tag bc im just complaining#like i see the theory i know what you're Supposed to do and i also know that im close to getting it but it's so insanely frustrating#wish there was an easy mode where things didn't do so much damage#66 damage when everyone has like 200 hp is insane#in my next playthrough im gonna prioritize getting good weapons#i like. sold the sword you can find for kris bc i was doing a pacifist run#i kind of forgot this doesn't work like ut#though in my next run im gonna start from chapter 2 and do a weird route to see the differences#yes i know there's already videos and there aren't a lot of differences but i wanna see them myself#i adore this game's story and characters but the combat system stresses me out so bad
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sometimes there will be a character who is wearing so many masks they themself think they are only wearing like one mask and as a viewer it is really fun to analyze them, because the line between their genuine and faked emotions are so paper thin its genuinely diffiicult to figure out what is what sometimes.
wnd then you go into their fandom tag and everyone is for some reaosn 10000% certain that actually they are completely surface level characters.
#jack in off#this is about flowey this is about flowey. it is.#i was thinking sbt yes man and then i reblogged that post and like. uaarghh FLOWEY. NO ONE UNDERSTANDS YOU.#'oh flowey is completely emotionless and genuinely cruel until the end of true pacifist' HE FUCKING WISHES#see like the game presents flowey with like 'oh jk hes not nice it was a fake out hes evil and tricking you'#but what people dont pick up is the 'inherently evil and remorseless little asshole' thing is ALSO a facade#one that runs so deep he doesnt even realize it#like aauurgh flowey is such an interesting character and hes plauged my mind for 10 god damned years
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YOU LIKE DELTARUNE!?!?!?!?!
LET'S FUCKING GO!!!
I-I mean.
You're. wrong.
for. uh.
uhm...
..torturing kids is unethical???
-Hater anon
If Kris Deltarune Dreemurr didn't want to be tortured by my Weird Route agenda then they should've gained sentience, come out of the screen and killed me when they had the chance
#Hi hater anon happy to see you trying your best#want me to post a hot take on cider-man so you can come and yell at me about it again? would that make you feel better??#I can post my thoughts on Royale Milk if that'll make you more confident in your bullshit#anyways though dw i'll also do a pacifist run on a different save file lmao#im not insane im not gonna miss out on content cuz i like being evil#thank you for leaving a message after the tone!#hater anon live on air#hunter speaks#saiki k ask blog#saiki k rp#tdlosk ask blog#tdlosk rp#saiki k oc rp#pk academy au#((maybe if i say ill do a fucked up evil run ill have the strength to do it irl too))#((i tried once when i got deltarune on my switch and i cried and reset after killing the first enemy LMAO))
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You know when I said I was redesigning my Self Inserts and going in Age Order? Yeah I lied.
Here's a bunch more Redesigned Self Inserts, no longer in any particular order, just who I had the ideas for at the time.
#Emile's Arts#Self insert#Proselfship#Proship Selfship#Feel free to ask me about them#I said I'd get around to drawing my other xxxholic S/I so here he is#I've never actually drawn my Ruby Gloom S/I before she use to be just a dark version of Ruby#Based on the Blue Moon episode she was the Luna whatever I haven't watched the show recently#Then for a while she was a vampire like Scardy Bat's cousin or smthin#but recently I was thinking about the little Mummy design from the Scooby Doo Ghoul School special#And she really set a very spesific gender for me and I just stole her and Lucky Animal Crossing for myself fdkgjkdf#Sometimes you're uncreative and that's Okay#My Undertale S/I is also new kind of I've actually never talked about them as they are in my brain#Usually when talking about my Self Ship with Papyrus I talk about a Post Pacifist Timeline me who was a human living on the surface he met#Buuuuuuut that's not how the self ship is in my head I just never wanted to bring it up I guess kfgjfkdg#It's just an I'm Frisk sort of Self Insert nothing actually interesting#I think I got the idea from the Crybaby Frisk comic that was running around for a while because#Yeah that'd be me#fgfdkgjkdf#Okay enough tag rambling again ask me if you wanna know more about them#Thankyou very much for reading!
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#undertale#undertale meme#undertale monsters#post pacifist#undertale pacifist#pacifist run#pacifist route#undertale human souls#human souls#frisk#undertale frisk#frisk undertale
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Training Start!
@theriverperson
It took about a week for Alex to actually get back in touch with River, and when she does it's via text.
Alex Hey there. This is Alex. Sorry it took me so long to get back in touch with you. Took a bit to comb through my schedule and find a few days here and there that I should be good to at least get started.
What followed were a list of dates for the next couple of months, showing a few sets of days where she has a couple days off from both classes and teaching back to back.
Alex These should give me time to recover afterwards if needed, at least until the end of the summer semester. Let me know if any of these days work for you, and we can try and work around your schedule too.
#theriverperson#🌊 Even Still Waters Can Run Deep [River] 🌊#❄️ Close in the Distance (Alex) ❄️#❄️ The Frozen Heart [Post-Pacifist Verse] ❄️#Bleh#Not the greatest of starters#but couldn't get brain to work with me otherwise
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