#postciv

[iatrophilosophos]

I think a thing that i find deeply frustrating from every political & philosophical perspective is a deep lack of engagement with medicine. I think at the very root of it is a sense of professional/expertise/authoritative domain. Most people do not talk about how to make medicine happen, they talk about creating conditions conducive to producing an effective medical class +/- production appartus. Anarchists are just as guilty of this as communists as reformerists: you can't tell me that most of the people who gesture at projects like four thieves, open insulin, boobs not bombs (don't get me started), and various street medicine projects aren't also just invoking the image of a detached force of competent agents.

I'll be a hater until the end of time but sometimes it is kinda hard to blame ur average disabled civvie's knee-jerk "what about my meds" because the question is conspicuously absent or relegated to ignorant grandstanding so, so often. Anyone actually critically examining the projects we often cite as easy, publicly available examples will quickly note that they *do* have deep flaws and vulnerabilities. Medicine is conspicuously absent from the texts we cite, pearlman doesnt talk about it, postciv! doesnt talk about it...because these works, no matter how much love I have for them, are really not actually concerned with disabled people all that much.

Most anticiv ppl i know are disabled/medication dependent ourselves & working on it, it's just like really fucking hard, and really hard to generate Texts(tm) while also doing the thing. It's a weird, long, slow process that I'm getting progressively better at & have been for years, but it's also something that happens in conversations and relationships and it's hard to iron out and commit to paper when honestly, synthesizing an effective, sustainable, bioregionally feasible medical MO in current times IS a field in its infancy AND one that looks radically different for every cohort because we are located in different places and starting from a point of different needs/conditions of priority.

Acting like the people who prioritize this just Have It on lock and will get it figured is doing everyone a disservice--it's a paper thin posture that disabled ppl are gonna see through, and it's reinforcing the idea that the average person in the imperial core doesn't need to have any concept of what they'd do with, idk, kidney stones or conjuctivitis or Whatever because they can Just See A Professional About It, even though we ***know*** that that idea doesn't hold up for tons of people NOW, let alone as collapse continues.

[xxxjarchiexxx]

i like. get this post i do. but isnt that what all ideologies are to a certain extent? like. dont you support decolonization as long as they dont choose 2 devolve infrastructure into the caricature of anticiv u have in mind? or as long as they dont collaborate with the capitalist state? like, maybe the argument is "no indigenous people are anticiv or postciv or anprim" but thats just blatantly comically untrue (most anticiv writings ive read that were edit: WERENT purely wish-fulfillment were by indigenous people). like, what's the point here? should people not support decolonization while also holding ideologies? in my experience, while the conclusions are flawed, there is a LOT of reasoning given in anticiv around civiliation as tool of colonization so its not like there's an ignoring of how things could conflict there. is this just a strawman dunk? am i missing something?

[n1xmasters]

so enriched flour in particular aims to get processed white flour to the same level of nutritional value as whole wheat. the solution is to simply not make and eat white flour at the same scale and to instead grind the whole grain most if not all of the time. that ones kinda trivially easy to solve.

water can be managed by communities, basically as it is now. i mean how do you think water is managed? right now? its done by people and machinery. not by an organizational structure.

additionally, you reblogged me earlier to ask how i'd propose providing insulin in a postciv context, possibly some other things but that’s all i saw in the notification, and then deleted that post. i'm going to answer the question anyway because it’s the same answer as the hormones that both of us are reliant on.

quite simply, we maintain that infrastructure. we keep the supply lines running that ensure the factories have what they need to make insulin, or hormones, or whatever other essential medication is being made. the workers have control of that factory, and we distribute based on need. maybe some folks start up smaller operations to produce basic medication like aspirin from raw materials, but with the big important stuff like antibiotics and insulin and adrenalin and such, we already have the infrastructure for mass production and that’s the kind of thing we actually *should* be producing at scale.

what i think you fundamentally misunderstand is that postciv in particular isn't about burning it all to the ground and starting from scratch, it's about using the good bits of civilization and getting rid of the rest. all the issues you’ve pointed out are easily answered by ‘well we keep that around. it’s something good civilization has been facilitating”. you can ask any anarchist or communist the same questions about how they’d do X or Y under their system and their answer will be pretty close to “well we keep that around. it’s something good capitalism has been facilitating”. same here just with civilization as a whole.

From Killjoy’s piece, premise 2 “We Are Not Primitivists”:

“Primitivists reject technology. We just reject the inappropriate use of technology. Now, to be fair, that’s almost all of the uses of technology we see in the civilized world … most technologies are being put to rather evil uses — whether warfare or simple ecocide — but that doesn’t make technology (“The application of scientific knowledge for practical purposes.”) inherently evil. It just means that we need to completely re-imagine how we interact with machines, with tools, even with science. We need to determine whether something is useful and sustainable, rather than judging things purely on their economic or military value.”

Anti-civ or, as i like to call it, fascism for pussies.

The anti-civ mindset is that of a natural law of fascism. Its a way of saying you wish genocide on people without saying you do. It's not genocide if its mother nature doing it after all, right? It's also weirdly christian (flood theology, etc)

Overall though, it's just fucking pathetic. Anticivs will tell you that they don't want people to die, and that they want to find ways of helping people outside of an industrialized civilization.

Oh, and that's the other thing. The unspoken core of the argument is that industrialization is synonymous with civilization. It becomes, then, this strange invocation of the stereotype of the noble savage, an implicit denial that agrarian or hunter-gatherer societies can be said to be civilized at all.

The result of all of this is a sort of passive manifest destiny vibe where everyone who is unproductive a civilization-lover can be simply allowed to die with no guilt because well, no one can stop nature. Of course those who hold these views never assume that it will be them who starves to death, or drowns in a flood, or cooks in a heatwave. They are Worthy. The Others are not.

But if you say that out loud people look at you funny, so you couch it in the metaphor of anti-civ, or "primitivism" (an incredibly racist term to use as a self-identifier). Fascism. For pussies.

[hillepunk]

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[pierreferrero]

Cauchemar fini, je repasse à l'écriture et aux recherches de cette histoire qui devrait s'appeler RUINES.

[lumpen-proletarische-aktion]

Momentan lesen wir das Buch "desert" und ja wir haben einstimmig beschlossen das es alle lesen müssen.

At the moment we are reading the book "desert" and yes we have unanimously decided that everyone must read it.

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[eofotmc]

Technology does not fulfill man’s perennial dreams, but craftily mimics them.

Nicolas Gomez Davila, Escolios a un Texto Implícito

[tenderwiki]

postciv is ehhh in terms of like, actual praxis but the aesthetics of it are raw and solid and 11/10 so

[doogiebug]

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[xxxjarchiexxx]

i think if i were more naive abt the progress of imperialism and colonization and industrialization i would be anticiv but i think im vaguely approaching postciv instead bcuz there's no closing pandoras box and also bcuz a lot of the clear cut distinction between Civilization (bad) and Civilization (living in nature) is arbitrary and partially reliant on the noble savage archetype, however the basic fundamentals and principles of current civilization being unsustainable and the domestication of the human being as we know it developed in aid of oppressive structures/systems of domination and is used as a tool against humans, nonhuman animals, and the earth et al etc.-- this isn't worded exactly right but i think gets my thoughts across well enough

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[hillepunk]

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[chainsawlady]

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[witchpunkboy]

Returning to Tumblr

A lot has changed in four years.

So, without further ado, I think it is time I reintroduce myself. My online moniker is Gabriel Hex, also sometimes known as Wormwood. When I was on here last, I was the quaker solarpunk agorist guy, wanting to bring about a greener world through technology, the free market, and counter-economics.

I wouldn't quite say I grew out of it. That's just the wrong mindset I'm coming back here with. But since I originally quasi-"left", I became less utopic and political (well, perhaps more anti-political than nonpolitical), left Christianity, discovered Discordianism and Hellenic paganism, began practicing witchcraft, joined the rank of "Dad", started illustrating, made friends outside of the internet, and have become more critical of both capitalism and civilization, not to the extent of a primitivist, but enough to correctly call myself a post-civ anarchist.

My flannel years are behind me, but remembered fondly.

Nice to meet you again.

[ojisan161]