#sams thoughts

[nightixx]

sooo I may be overlooking at things right now but hear me outt

After moon's dream/hallucinations or whatever the hell people wanna call this, I noticed a purple smoke (or idk the word but you understand) behind him

And many more thumbnails. We know that in the canon game (security breach), the virus is almost always represented by this color and with those rectangles + the aura. Now I'm not talking about vanny or idk, idc about her cuz this isn't about the canon game rn

I have many thoughts about this, because things happened before that and it could be related.

As I saw on some blogs (I can't find the one who wrote it but I know I've reblogged it), before ruin betrayed them, he said he wanted to infect ruin's virus into his own code to think like him which could be true since he really tried for weeks to think exactly like him and to have his informations. During his day off after his first breakdown after he saw old moon, sun was present the entirety of the episode, which isn't logic at all since it's MOON's day off not an episode of sun bringing food for 15 minutes ? Moon was alone in the house after a breakdown AFTER he tried to think like ruin AFTERR he said he wanted to inject the virus into himself. And strangely after that he started to act all nuts, maybe not just at the second episode but you can tell he went insane quickly, too quickly and it's too suspicious for me.

Back to the thumbnail, you can see thumbnails after thumbnails while scrolling on the channel that his aura gets more purple any time he's showing.

Now if we do the comparaison between ruin and moon reacting to the virus :

The virus accentuated ruin's personality into insanity. As we know, ruin is a melange between sun and moon. So we can say he was playful (sun's side) but with a kill code (moon's side) which made him a dangerous individual. He also lost his objective during the take over. Because yes ruin wanted to venge his friends but in the beginning he had the virus and it distracted him from his objective.

Now if we look at moon. The virus could have accentuated his personality (which makes him worse than old moon) and his goals (protecting his family, bringing solar back etc..). He's also losing his objective which is bringing solar of course. He doesn't know why he's doing it anymore.

I also remember when moon told Monty that he looked in his code and he found nothing. Kinda suspicious to me- he tended to lie back then too. I think he did really check his code to see if the virus was the cause of that. And of course when you add his poor mental state to begin with as he was grieving it doesn't help at all and makes things worse.

Anyways maybe it's my own paranoia talking rn but I just can't accept that all this insanity arc happened by Davis snapping his fingers

[ikamigami]

Tbh I wasn't surprised in the slightest that Sun wasn't mad at Nexus..

Sun doesn't want to kill Nexus..

Sun doesn't want to lose any of his family anymore..

And Nexus to Sun is still his brother..

Many people were surprised.. but Sun just isn't like that..

When Sun loves someone he can outlast so much suffering.. whether it's because of his trauma and mental issues or it's just him.. it doesn't matter because this is who Sun is now.. this is how Sun was for the longest time..

And I think that Sun was always kindhearted.. so I don't think that this is all just his trauma and mental issues.. I think that Sun is very compassionate.. maybe even overcompassionate.. but that's who he is..

It would be good if he learned some boundaries.. but it's not bad that he's compassionate.. I don't think that being compassionate is a flaw..

Also Sun's love is what made Moon to change.. Sun's love allowed Moon's grow..

Sun not giving up on his loved ones or just not giving up in general is what I like in him the most..

Because it make him so different compared to other characters..

Because when others just gave up on Nexus.. Sun still has some hope in him..

Maybe it is stupid.. but I don't think so.. but y'all can disagree.. it's fine with me :)

[thorns-and-rosewings]

So now with today's episode we have some new information on Frank. At first glance it seems like it would disprove the Pisces Theory, but... I am not entirely sure about that. I'm starting to think there's two paths here...

Firstly: He said Puppet was on the right track in regards to the Aspect of Fear thing, but obviously he's not fully correct... What is clear is that Frank has tons of power, a strange knowledge of Fate and enough skill to create an instantaneous copy of one of the Bloodtwins. Almost like STAR POWER; whereas he's deeply entwined to all these negative emotions, negative energies, fear, quite possibly along the lines of ANTI-STAR POWER. So here's the deeper question...

My Main Theory: What if Frank is a Chimera?

Something Gemini mentioned on an episode was they thought some of the other Astrals had died (Or blown up) before... What if in another universe... they all did? All the Astrals 'died' but rather than reform normally, some of them reformed into a hybridized form? Probably with more than a few pieces of Witherstorm/Anti-matter mixed in. Enough to screw with any memories or purpose those Astrals originally had. The result is a creature with a lot of power and conflicting natures... and behold! Our Frank exists...

My Secondary Theory: He's a different dimension Pisces...

Castor had commented in a different episode that while Astrals exist across dimensions they might have different power levels or other variations.

What if Frank is an Astral from another (Dead) universe who just moved in? Somewhat like Puppet, only this Astral is on a radically different power level compared to the ones in this universe or has mutated in some unconventional ways? He's been watching Sun and Moon because of all the Star Shenanigans, but has only recently decided to become active, due to all the insanity going on.

Which could be beneficial for Lunar actually... Gemini has mentioned that the Astrals are split on the decision of what to do with Lunar. Another Astral to tip the scale in Lunars favor could help the Celestial Family out.

These are just my thoughts honestly. Probably wrong, but has anyone else got any ideas after todays episode?

[mr-mischievous]

Okay. I have stuff I want to let out because something has been stressing me out about todays recent episodes.

I still believe Bm will get a redemption.

I'm stressing over this really bad, and I know for a fact I might not be right but since the recent episode where Frank warns Bloodmoon, its very clear that the twins will be separated. Now the thing about the Twins is that they are very dependent on each other. If they were to be separated, they'd lose their minds. In the recent Episode of Sun and moon playing chapter 3 of "Weird Strict Dad" where Moon says he's more likely to forgive Bloodmoon after a certain point in a game, it raised my hopes that if the twins were to be separated, one of the twins would freak out and go to one of the only other people who tried giving them a chance before. Sun and Moon. I feel like he would beg for help, which I know sounds odd- but without the crazy twins (the one voice acted by TheInvisibleDavis-) other half, who literally helps him make decisions before they act on things, he'd rush to ideas and would run to them for help. At least I pray what happens. Though, if they were to help the twins would Frank be seen as a slight bad guy? I don't know but I was freaking out, so I wanted to rant about this topic.

[evilyn-is-gay]

Something I realized about Solar’s death;

It directly parallels his dimension

Ours:

1. Sun was probably gonna die

2. Solar died

Solar’s:

1. Solar was probably gonna die

2. Sun died

And now that I say that… god… what if Moon reacts so similarly to Solar’s Moon that it’s the same thing..?

[the-library-of-theories]

Maybe Sun won’t die, but “Sun will die.”

So… something sparked in me when watching the recent video. If sources are correct, the creators aren’t going to kill Sun. Sun won’t die. But I see an old quote slowly coming true.

‘What I mean will be at the end of this theory.

Let’s go through some stuff to make this more understandable.

We all know that the only “original” person here is Sun. He hasn’t died, remade (aside from fixing/transferring after blasting Eclipse), or was reprogrammed. He’s our Sun. Our traumatized sunny boi.

But that’s just it. He’s has so much memories. He is the only original and now? He’s gaining some super powerful magic. He was once able to control Star power. Now… he can sense the wither crystals.

These wither crystals are going to be very important in my theory as we know that it can slowly corrupt anyone who holds them long enough… yet Sun was somewhat unaffected by the corruption. But you know what actually affected him?

The wither dragon.

It caused him to go in a trance. Something that the other wither shards haven’t done to him. What makes matters worse is that Dark Sun had mentioned before that a lot of the things he’s done was for our Sun. But why? Why our Sun? What makes our Sun so special for him to do what he’s doing? Why is it so important that even the creator wants Sun?

Why?

Well before stating the theory, let’s talk a little bit of science.

We all know that the Sun is basically a large STAR. It’s what the Moon (Lunar) needs to shine, it’s what Earth needs to survive, it’s half of what Eclipse (Solar) is. It, itself, is powerful to supply life. In a way, the Sun is powerful enough to produce life.

But what happens if a star dies?

Well there are two possibilities that come to mind.

One you have the dead star or zombie star, which are remnants of what was the star before it died. Which is foreboding in itself. But we can deduce this as not a possible senerio as we know the creators confirmed that Sun won’t die (unless info changed).

So what is the other possibility?

Well, if a Sun/star were to collapse in on itself…

It is said that is how a

BLACK HOLE is made.

Ironically enough, should you know what a black hole does… then perhaps you should know what it could resemble in Sun and Moon show terms…

BLACK HOLE = WITHER STORM

So here’s the theory part.

Sun will become a black hole.

An embodiment of a wither storm. We all said that Sun has the most trauma. We all said he’s been alive since the beginning. And we know that the creators said Sun won’t die.

But he won’t die. Rather he has a fate worse than death. To quote a infamous quote:

“You either die a hero or live long enough to be a villain.”

Back to the saying: Sun won’t die, but “Sun will die.”

Our Sun will eventually become the villain. His current self will “die”.

But he won’t die exactly. Ever wonder why there are wither crystals?

Well, when a black hole is formed, the star itself will burst into what is called a supernova. Shooting remnants of the once living star out to space. So in a sense, Sun’s self will be blasted into various parts of space. So while he is “dead”, he isn’t dead. Rather I see this as both a chance for his family to bring their loved one back together and for Sun to do some reflecting. I also see this as a possibility where Dazzle may also play a key part in helping bring Sun back, but how? I ain’t exactly sure but call it a feeling.

As for last pointers, I would think they will call corrupted Black Hole Sun one of these names and why:

Dark Star = first name before Black Hole

Supernova Void = fancy word

Stellar void = fancy

Void Sun = just because.

[xaila-space]

SAMS Rambles (headcanon?)

K so we know the creators goal was to be a god? And well im putting two and two together rn-

This is just a thought of mine im not telling anyone to do this or that.

So we know from the episode where the nice creator, sven, mentioned having a wife that died recently

And well im pulling miraculous ladybug move here but wouldnt it be so neat if instead of the creator wanting to become god? He wanted to get his wife back

So just a what if, lets say the reason the creator became evil was because his wife died early cause idk sickness or some shit ,maybe even killed. He was sad (obviously) but couldnt let go of her, so his all knowing ass kept her body or soul (IDK) with him, he couldnt let her go. So he cut off every connections he had with anyone (As in like be in hiding or some shit idk TvT) while he was griefing and in that time tried EVERYTHING to get her back. He found a way to keep himself kinda immortal and well he figured if that worked then his wife can be brought back?

Soo his whole thing would be to bring his love back to him regarding the bad things he did.

Again not saying that the creators of SAMS should havw done that im just putting my own thoughts here.

[inkyucu]

Wait would Dark Sun technically be an Eclipse?

I mean-

Think about it

It's a Sun,

With a Moon's brain.

It's a SUN.

With a MOON'S BRAIN.

If that doesn't count as an Eclipse then I'm not counting Ruin as an Eclipse either

[mrdairyy]

I just watched the episode “the creators revenge” and yeah sucks about Jack and all and I’m upset but uh wtf happens if rez goes for molten?

I mean yeah he’ll probably just adapt to it, but if he doesn’t, every single universe WILL BE DOOMED!

I mean everyone else you can just nuke em or whatever but molten? He’ll literally just walk it off.

And oh boy, if rez wants to go to other dimensions molten can just pop on over to another dimension and start an infection

Idk if that’s how it works since I’ve skipped a few eps (I’m catching up tho) but if it is how it works then uh shiiiiiii-

[nightixx]

I hope we don't see D.sun for a long time. I hope that when he'll come back, we'll discover he's the mastermind of a whole mess and nobody even thought it could be him

That man is mysterious, so let him be mysterious

[ikamigami]

So Nexus really is a clone of Creator huh..

He was trying to manipulate Earth by using oversimplification to join him.. but would he actually let Earth be.. I doubt that..

And like always he put all the blame on Sun.. why am I not surprised 😐

I mean cause why he said that Sun caused all of his own problem - unless I misunderstood that part then I'm sorry and pls correct me if I'm wrong vsbzbzbzbzb QwQ

None of the things that happened were Sun's fault..

Like to communicate and cooperate effectively both parties need to do their part..

And like I said Sun tried as much as he could given that he didn't receive the help he needed to work through his trauma.. and yet he tried to make Nexus happy and not upset him.. so he listened and obeyed and didn't speak about Moon - in extent about his trauma as well - he left the room for Solar who was so much better company for Nexus than him..

And after Solar's death Sun took care of Nexus..

But Nexus never considered Sun's feelings.. just like Moon used to do..

Hence why Sun said that Nexus is exactly just like Moon.. not because Sun doesn't see Nexus as his own person.. but because both Nexus and Moon refuse to listen to him and take his feelings to consideration..

Though I think that Nexus still cares about Sun deeply..

But why he emulate Creator so much? This is the big question I need an answer to 🤔

[thorns-and-rosewings]

Okay so it's theory time...

I think that Eclipse is going to try and bring back Solar via magic means. He's clearly up to something and it's not initially clear what. But if Moon cannot figure out how to undo Solars dimensional collapse via scientific means, magical means might be the only shot they have with that.

But my inner alchemist is saying that to do that he'd need a sacrifice.

One life for a life. He'd probably offer himself up with the full intention of dying. I think one thing that we can say is that Eclipse DOES care. And probably more than that he knows he isn't wanted, the universe is happier place without him. Puppet even said that exact thing to him recently.

But it would be something that would make all of the Celestial family see him differently. As he really is just a sad, lonely soul who never got the help he desperately needed... And as Ruin has said today, he's essentially a photocopy of Eclipse. He isn't the real one and that's gotta hurt like hell to know.

But... I don't think HE'S going to be the one who dies...

I think that right before the sacrifice he is ready to make, Frank will step in and exchange Eclipse for someone else...

I think he will put in one of the Bloodtwins...

Now I fully believe that Stitchwraith is going to separate the twins, yes, but separation doesn't mean death... But Frank has a score to settle. So however the twins are separated, Frank will do Frank things and obtain the captured Bloodtwin. To which he sacrifices in order to bring back Solar, but also give Eclipse a genuine chance to change and have a life. As everyone will have seen that there was something in him that was willing to die to bring back the one they all loved.

It gives Frank the ability to right a wrong. As Bloodmoon killed his lover, but now one of them will be used to resurrect someone who was taken from his family too soon...

This will be incredibly bad news for Bloodmoon, but an interesting route things could take for the rest of the show.

A life for a life...

[evilyn-is-gay]

“You can’t ship Sun x Moon outside of TSAMS if ur into TSAMS-“

Why tf not. I’m not shipping incest, it’s not TSAMS.

If I see them outside of TSAMS as little gay fellas that’s fine bc they do not have a specified relationship in canon, I will do whatever.

[test23-24m]

I was rewatching the ep where Eclipse died, and oh my boy...

"When your brother lays dead in your arms, I want you to look back at this conversation" is Sun going to DIE?!

If so, I HAVE A THEORY HOW!

The astral bodies are going to kill him due to him having and using star power.

From little that I saw from Taurus, he seems like the type to do something like that.

Idk, just hope he doesn't die in any way.

[sabrondabrainrot]

☀️Sun Propaganda☀️

Ooh you guys wanna like Sun you wanna like him so bad~

Can I just say, the fics people put out about Sun are so amazing. There's so much good food out there for him. I love the introspections and different headcanons and just ideas that people contribute to Sun.

😘👌

Thank you fic writers for being so awesome!!!

Anyways, on with the propaganda! Spoilers Beware and rambles. Many rambles....

☀️☀️☀️

I just got to the part when Sun told Lunar and Earth about Solar passing and then Lunar had a trippy dream and now they're grieving.

I was so right, Sun was there for all of them, cried with them, and made sure they were taken care of.

He's taking care of the family!!!

Anyways, I want to ramble about Sun's mysterious talents.

Sun is very cool and mysterious and talented and sophisticated!!!

Like how come Gemini or even Castor and Pollux separately never mention that Sun using Star power was kind of crazy? I understand they're under the impression that Sun broke apart from the star power but idk if that scene can be read that way?

Then Sun and magic.... Bro had no training but managed to break himself out of a magic box by just raising his voice and getting upset. That's so iconic. He also blew up a base because of Eclipse goading him. I get it sealed Old Moon's fate (I actually argue his reset is 100% due to the consequences of his actions) but can we talk about how cool that crater was? It literally left Eclipse speechless. And even after that, Sun proceeded to tirelessly stay on and functioning despite using that much magic just to try and save his twin. Oh yeah remember how he got shit for saying the expelling spell wrong? Dude had to reverse engineer a spell and recite it backwards with no prior magical knowledge. He didn't even get the knowledge if he messes it up that he would die horribly but he still did his best and all he did was say one word wrong. He's lucky he lived but that's still a huge innate talent he didn't just die!

Sun used Star power to do a Kamehameha. He literally held it in his hands and created a big enough force it pushed eclipse into another dimension and essentially knocked the star power out of Eclipse. Yes, Sun was damaged but he literally walked it off (damaged pain censors). And despite being so horribly mangled at one point he still uses it for self defense. He kicked BloodMoon's ass.

⭐What a badass honestly⭐

🔥Like that's so cool!!! He's so cool!!🔥

Another talent, he can cook!!! I know cooking compared to Star power and Magic is kind of underwhelming but up until upgrading to being able to eat he cooked once a year during Christmas to give to the homeless and isn't that so sweet?!?? Once everyone was able to eat he started to eat more too and now regularly cooks for people? That's so goaded. Cooking is hard and he feeds his family. He's also a breadwinner in the household?? Bro??? That's so awesome.

I loved the part when Sun yelled at Moon for eating chips while he was in the middle of cooking their dinner 😂😂😂

Sun also has a big talent with people! Being a people person is a talent! He managed to break through the star power influence all on his own to show people he is nice and something is going on. Sun is trusted because he works hard to be a trustworthy animatronic. I know there's this overwhelming census amongst the entire cast that Sun can't lie but we have overwhelming evidence to show he does lie and is very much capable of it. He's just an honest guy! Unless it's a very extreme case, he chooses to not lie. So most people just trust and like him. Most people didn't even talk to Moon at first until they found out he was Sun's twin and Sun went out of his way to let people know Moon isn't scary. He even went out to help people pick clothes because he's honest about how they look!

👏👏 People Skills Sun!!!👏👏

Mragh! I think Sun also has a talent for roasting people and calling them out! Remember when he called out Eclipse v2 for being pathetic and miserable even though he won? If I remember right he even roasted original Eclipse while he was in his mind. Remember, all the times he's called out the Creator and actively defied him all the while swearing so much the censor beep made him sound like a dolphin in heat? He insulted Frank so much he got the guy to chase him and I swear it was just a solid 5 minutes of him cursing Frank away. And the scene when Creator takes off his mask in front of Earth? That's just magnificent.

I'm probably missing stuff cause I'm still so very behind on the lore but I'm making steady progress. If anyone wants to add anything more to Sun Propaganda please do.

[bittyfromquotev]

I’m really glad.

You know, I’m really glad I made my Revived Eclipse AU. I’m glad it ends up being wholesome.

So many of my stories and AUs don’t really have an ending, including this one, but the others are really chaotic and so full of angst and torment for the characters. Violence, too.

Now, there’s nothing wrong with those, but it’s nice to have some wholesomeness every once in a while, right? Right.

That being said, RE is also becoming something like a fix-it AU for SAMS and LEAS. I don’t think too many people like where SAMS lore is going and I agree. It’s just overly complicated and random and very anxiety-inducing. I like the show a lot, but…it’s kind of just…eh.

So in the end, I’m really glad my Revived Eclipse AU exists.