#sun and moon show thoughts

[figment-0f-imagination]

LITERALLY NEXUS'S FAVORITE GAME??

[ecoeclipselion]

Time for a Ramble/Theory cause I don’t think anyone mentioned this—

So I’m rewatching some of the Old Sun and Moon Show episodes.

I am on the 3 Parter of Sun and Moon vs the Wither Storm and something happened to Sun that made me think of something.

At 4 minutes and 7 seconds. Sun gets caught in a Haze where he was feeling sick from being near the wither storm.

Now in the present time with Sun he gets headaches when he is near the Shards and isn’t as affected.

🌟 My theory. Cause of Sun being exposed to the Wither Storm sickness early on and from it’s haze it made him immune to the affects that Moon feels. As for sensing the Shards? Probably came after Sun defeated the Wither Storm and got enhanced when he started learning Magik.

Feel free to add on. Would like to hear thoughts and theories on this as well. :o

[fizzykip]

I don't know if I'm paranoid or not, but I noticed that in Moon's weird dream and the most recent (nexus takes control of sun) they mentioned the time. In Moon's weird dream it was 3am then yesterday episode it was 2am, I feel like this is a count down. I could be wrong but it caught my attention that they are listing time, and I feel like something bad is gonna happen...

We're used to seeing hidden details in thumbnails having hidden messages or count downs. Hopefully I'm just paranoid

[the-library-of-theories]

Maybe Sun won’t die, but “Sun will die.”

So… something sparked in me when watching the recent video. If sources are correct, the creators aren’t going to kill Sun. Sun won’t die. But I see an old quote slowly coming true.

‘What I mean will be at the end of this theory.

Let’s go through some stuff to make this more understandable.

We all know that the only “original” person here is Sun. He hasn’t died, remade (aside from fixing/transferring after blasting Eclipse), or was reprogrammed. He’s our Sun. Our traumatized sunny boi.

But that’s just it. He’s has so much memories. He is the only original and now? He’s gaining some super powerful magic. He was once able to control Star power. Now… he can sense the wither crystals.

These wither crystals are going to be very important in my theory as we know that it can slowly corrupt anyone who holds them long enough… yet Sun was somewhat unaffected by the corruption. But you know what actually affected him?

The wither dragon.

It caused him to go in a trance. Something that the other wither shards haven’t done to him. What makes matters worse is that Dark Sun had mentioned before that a lot of the things he’s done was for our Sun. But why? Why our Sun? What makes our Sun so special for him to do what he’s doing? Why is it so important that even the creator wants Sun?

Why?

Well before stating the theory, let’s talk a little bit of science.

We all know that the Sun is basically a large STAR. It’s what the Moon (Lunar) needs to shine, it’s what Earth needs to survive, it’s half of what Eclipse (Solar) is. It, itself, is powerful to supply life. In a way, the Sun is powerful enough to produce life.

But what happens if a star dies?

Well there are two possibilities that come to mind.

One you have the dead star or zombie star, which are remnants of what was the star before it died. Which is foreboding in itself. But we can deduce this as not a possible senerio as we know the creators confirmed that Sun won’t die (unless info changed).

So what is the other possibility?

Well, if a Sun/star were to collapse in on itself…

It is said that is how a

BLACK HOLE is made.

Ironically enough, should you know what a black hole does… then perhaps you should know what it could resemble in Sun and Moon show terms…

BLACK HOLE = WITHER STORM

So here’s the theory part.

Sun will become a black hole.

An embodiment of a wither storm. We all said that Sun has the most trauma. We all said he’s been alive since the beginning. And we know that the creators said Sun won’t die.

But he won’t die. Rather he has a fate worse than death. To quote a infamous quote:

“You either die a hero or live long enough to be a villain.”

Back to the saying: Sun won’t die, but “Sun will die.”

Our Sun will eventually become the villain. His current self will “die”.

But he won’t die exactly. Ever wonder why there are wither crystals?

Well, when a black hole is formed, the star itself will burst into what is called a supernova. Shooting remnants of the once living star out to space. So in a sense, Sun’s self will be blasted into various parts of space. So while he is “dead”, he isn’t dead. Rather I see this as both a chance for his family to bring their loved one back together and for Sun to do some reflecting. I also see this as a possibility where Dazzle may also play a key part in helping bring Sun back, but how? I ain’t exactly sure but call it a feeling.

As for last pointers, I would think they will call corrupted Black Hole Sun one of these names and why:

Dark Star = first name before Black Hole

Supernova Void = fancy word

Stellar void = fancy

Void Sun = just because.

[yourstrulynobody]

The Moons are such tradegys I love them /motherly

art based off SAMS newest ep

(I genuinely hate drawing stars so much so I just made them explode for Moon's design <3)

[spilledjelly]

le snoz

[milky-shea]

Kicking off Mermay with Mars as a Tiger Shark ❤️

[chibigalaxies]

Gosh Lunar, don't look at the customers with dem big ol' eyes

[immortaledd]

Yo, I was just wondering if there is ever going to be any more 10-week Eclipse lore? I really liked that little series, and I can't remember if it ever got a conclusion or not.

There will be more.

[vectorisheree]

Moon takes the role of Jack's father after Solar's death

Transparent version under the cut

[the-violet-galaxy]

Okay, the creators' hate for Nexus genuinely baffles me!?

It's genuinely kind of uncomfortable how much they hate their own creation.

With the recent jab taken at Nexus fans, it kinda just made some of the thoughts I'd had about it come to the surface.

There's this old concept in fandom, these things called "hatefics". You can guess what they were about just from the name. The writers of these fics would bash on a character because they personally hated them, and make that character act as vile as possible for the same reason. They'll twist their actions and personality, make them two-dimensional bad guys, and have the other characters hate on them too. Making that character miserable would often be part of the fic too.

And just, like..... it feels like the TSAMS creators literally wrote a hatefic of their own character? As CANON? They twisted New Moon to be cartoonishly nasty to justify hating him, and then spend the rest of the show bashing and bashing and bashing him; the other characters are also written to hate and mock him. It's a goddamn hatefic!

(And BECAUSE they've turned TSAMS into a Nexus hatefic, that's the reason Nexus was never allowed to be anything... just... more. And the other characters don't have a single bit of nuance in how they think about him.)

And to top it all off: because the Show flattens Nexus into a 2-dimensional caricature, they plain forget so many important details that SHOULD be looked at closer and treated with compassion. Nexus has hallucinations/delusions/nightmares that feel so real he can't tell whether he's awake or dreaming. There are two scenes I cling onto which I'll never forget, but the Show has. First: the scene where Nexus is locked up, and Spaniard asks why he doesn't just STOP, to which Nexus replies "If I just stop, it wouldn't help, because I won't know what's REAL." He just admits it, he's completely derealized, as far as he's concerned he's living in a dream or everything around him could be a hallucination. Then the Second scene: when Nexus is floating in space, he feels regret about what he did to Earth for a brief moment, but then Dark Sun comes and rips out a chip in Nexus's brain, which immediately wipes his guilt away and makes him gleeful and unrepentant. LITERALLY A CHUNK OF HIS BRAIN, some part of him that regulates his emotions and specifically his ability to feel guilt, WAS REMOVED FROM HIM.

Then to top this all off he gets into NSP shortly after, which is like being on a very powerful drug. HE IS ****NOT***** CAPABLE OF THINKING CLEARLY. Plain, simple, cut and dry. Nexus is 100% NOT making his own decisions and not in his sound mind.

But the Show will never acknowledge these things ever again, they'll never have compassion for Nexus having delusions/derealizations, or acknowledge that part of his brain that let him feel guilt was literally taken out, or that he's drugged, or that all 3 of these things are happening all at once.

Because they just hate him and that's it.

And then they make fun of fans for liking Nexus, because they actually remember these things and feel that Nexus deserved better.

(I wrote this sleep-deprived so this is probably jumbled. But man I just have so many thoughts about how this all went down.)

[figment-0f-imagination]

I JUST RELIZIED THAT LIKE V3/4 ECLIPSE WASS LIKE TRYING TO BE AS BAD OR WORSE THAN HIS ORIGINAL SELF

AND NEW MOON’S GOAL WAS TO BE BETTER THAN HIS ORIGINAL SELF

AND NOW ECLIPSE IS BECOMING BETTER AND MOON IS BECOMING WORSEEE

[ecoeclipselion]

Excuse my ramble as I just woke up but had a dream and I need to share it before I go back to sleep and forget it— Actually more of a Theory / Thought but came to me as a Dream and I thought it interesting to share and wanted to share before Todays episode which either gonna be a Gaming Vid or Lore vid.

Anyways! Thought/Dream I had was that Nexus visits Sun does that Hand in head thing to him and inadvertently waken the thing in Sun’s head that the Creator placed in him and for some reason it was protecting Sun’s memories?

But it’s fully activated now in Sun’s head. Nexus is angered by this and then I woke up but I just thought this interesting to share. Be cool if this actually happens in the show though cause Sun’s Torment Nightmare wasn’t brought back up and we have no clue if the thing in his head has grown any.

But if Nexus did what he done to Ruin and Moon to Sun sending that much of Dark Star Power into Sun’s systems it may make the thing grow faster? Idk. I’m rambling now and struggling to stay awake. So back to sleep I go—

[socksandbuttons]

Coffee Bean Time

KC slowly moved around the cooking area, setting both the cups and the instant coffee down as he grabbed the boiling kettle from the grill. All while Eclipse watches him out of the corner of his vision as he silently grimaces at their earlier conversation. “So they think of you as my keeper huh? The fact they STILL find me threatening; I suppose I should be honored.” He shifts upon the folding chair. Normal chairs are troublesome for someone his size, but he has found a few phone books to sit on and help prop him up. Granted he’d prefer a cushion but he’d be damned if he was seen getting too comfortable here.

“Mhm.” The taller bot agrees as he is heard to be stirring the instant coffee. “They have the right to check in. You are still something of a thorn in their sides.”

He turned and then took his normal slow, long strides over to the picnic table he had set up. With Killcodes legs it was really more of a struggle to not overstep than anything else. Setting the hot, brimming cups of coffee down, he crouches to sit on a blanket he’s laid near the tables end and across from Eclipse. A distance which he knows the other prefers.

A scoff is heard as Eclipse takes his cup and glares into it. “You think they’d hide that better.” He says as he takes a sip.

Killcode also doesn’t look up from his own drink, he’s become very quiet. Not unusual, the larger animatronic often thinks deeply about his words, he isn’t a fast talker after all. At this point Eclipse has learned to wait for a response from him.

“It is still nice to hear from them. Even if their intentions are… obvious.”

Eclipse responds to this with a cold, pointed look...

“However, they're asking how we're doing,” KC said and he could practically hear Eclipse roll his eyes at these words. “And Earth is always so willing to converse.”

“Yeah, like she isn’t talking enough over there.” Eclipse retorted, his cold demeanor melting away to the heated response that was right on the boarder of anger.

KC looks over to Eclipse as he takes a drink of his own coffee. Sighing at how the smaller animatronic continued to wall himself up from the new addition to the family. If Eclipse could ever bring himself to acknowledge he was a part of it.

Killcode however always did… regardless if it had meant anything at first...

“She’s very open about herself and the others. I think you could learn something from her. Or at perhaps humor her a little more.” He said and chose to overlook the glare that these words earned him.

Eclipse didn't hold the glare for long before he sighed and looked over to the kettle, as he’d already halved his coffee. He toyed with the idea of a refill but... ugh, but the hassle of having to readjust himself afterwards-

“That airhead doesn’t know anything. She might as well just be talking to the walls.” He grumbled as he returned to focus on his now nearly empty coffee cup. Does he really have to move? Like hell he’s asking KC to get it for him.

“She’s… forgetful, yes that is true. However I do appreciate her efforts to talk with everyone. It’s endearing although… she is missing a lot of information.” KC said as he had silently taken notice of Eclipse's frequent glances at the kettle.

“It sounds to me like she’s just trying way too hard to get to know everyone and what their problems are. Not like it’s a secret. I know they talk about how she’s programmed with all that therapy shit. It’s why they keep pushing Lunar onto her, like he needs it.” Eclipse grips his cup as his anger briefly boils. Lunar… God what an idiot. They’re just babying him. Eclipse cringes as he thought back on how Lunar screamed about how much he wanted him dead.

There is only a slight hum in response, Eclipse looking over to see KC staring. Not at him, no, but past him. Lost in thought. The smaller bot had always found it hard to read his face during these moments. After a moment or so he sighed in annoyance, before continuing.

“If she’s trying to be their sister, she can’t also be their therapist. The amount of shit she’d have to go through... I doubt she’d be able to handle that mess. But that’s probably what the Creator wants right? Another failure, or for some other stupid reason.” Eclipse didn’t fail to see the slight twitch from KC when he mentioned that weirdo. He'd learned pretty fast he was never going to get answers about it from his ‘father’. “I agree… She would only hurt herself trying to shoulder everyone else's burdens. Even if she’s programmed too; it would be irresponsible for us as her elder siblings-” Eclipse coughed into his drink and practically snarled at those words. Not that Killcode paid him any mind as he just continued with his thoughts. “to let her continue like that. It does make me worry for her.” KC finished. But he sighed, seeing the look of resentment still adorning Eclipses' small face. How else is he suppose to refer their familial bond?

“Although, I appreciate her efforts in making sure there IS communication between the brothers. Do you not think that is helpful?” He said as he took the first sip of his coffee, noticing that it had gotten a little cold. Perhaps Eclipse’s drink must’ve as well. He could make use of that...

It was just as he heard a scoff on the other end that Killcode stood up. Now seeing clearly that Eclipses cup was empty just as Eclipse began to fidget with it moreso. More importantly, KC can tell the topic of this conversation has come to a close. “Did you want a refill, Eclipse?” “No.” He absolutely wanted a refill.

Killcode merely turned to grab the kettle, just as Eclipse suddenly became indignant at realizing the taller animatronic intended to get him that refill of the blessed caffeinated beverage. Eclipse started to declare that he could do it himself... Only for the latter to topple out of the chair and fall face first onto the damp ground... along with the phone books he was sitting on. "We really need a better chair for you.” “Oh shut up!”

------ I WROTE A FIC FOR REAL. I had this scene in my head the one day but I knew itd take a while to draw and i have been meaning to try writing again. Which im glad I got it down, cause... sighs at the many things I have in concept between characters. I don't know when I'll do it again, but I have a comic to finish first. This has been proofread and edited by @thorns-and-rosewings

Which i appreciate because descriptor words elude me a lot.

[that-fox-thing]

I found some old eclipse fanart of mine and decided to compare it for fun :p

[yourstrulynobody]

Ngl, I like making things rhyme :3

I would like to thank @xnackery027 for giving me permission on taking inspiration for this post of theirs!