#systemscringe

[systemscringe-bait]

if I was faking I wouldn’t be spending twenty thousand years categorizing “fake” people on simply plural… and also we DO roleplay lol, it’s one of our main hobbies :)

(also if i was faking id call myself traumagenic, bc it would be less likely to be fake claimed, but we are endogenic.)

[delphientropy]

based on recent events

[sophieinwonderland]

Dear r/systemscringe... you're being lied to...

You're in an echo chamber. One that bans anyone who goes against it. They will feed you irrelevant distractions of "sources" that don't address the real topic to keep you complacent, but people who link to anything that contradicts the narrative of the hate subreddit will be banned from it just like I was.

The other day, there was a screenshot of a post I made on that subreddit.

A user asked if this was correct. They were immediately fed a bunch of irrelevant sources that only addressed DID. And they were downvoted for even questioning if there might be anything behind what I said.

The links on the comment don't work. But even if they did, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT DID.

There is a very manipulative trick being used here to focus specifically on DID when they know that this isn't the claim being made.

Let's start by establishing a few facts. Including the actual claim.

Claim: You can be plural without trauma or a disorder

What being plural means: Plurality is an umbrella of phenomena where a single-body experiences multiple self-conscious agents of some kind. These agents may be identified by the system as having origins that are spiritual or psychological. Psychologists use a variety of terms to refer to these agents such as "distinct personality states" or "dissociative parts."

Now, with the basic definition out of the way, let's talk about...

The sources r/systemscringe doesn't want you to see!

The most explicit in using plural community language is in Transgender Mental Health by Dr. Eric Yarbrough. This book was reviewed and published by the American Psychiatric Association.

Below are some choice excerpts from the book's chapter on Plurality.

This establishes the following:

The phenomenon of plurality is not the same as DID. (Which is why the sources discussing DID being caused by trauma are irrelevant distractions.)

Many plurals are happy being plural and not distressed by their plurality. (Important since "distress or impairment" are a criterion of DID and OSDD in the DSM-5.)

Plurality isn't necessarily caused by trauma.

In the World Health Organization's ICD-11, the term used for dissociative identities is "distinct personality states."

The ICD-11 includes the "boundary with normality where it states that you can experience the presence of "two or more distinct personality states" without a mental disorder.

This is, again, using a term it uses synonymously with dissociative identities. It's essentially using different words to say the same things as the Plurality chapter of Transgender Mental Health.

Do you need more sources?

Is the World Health Organization and a book published by the American Psychiatric Association not enough?

How about this study discussing multiplicity as a continuum of experiences?

The one thing that's been lacking for a while has been neurological studies into non-disordered systems. There is a currently-unpublished neurological study that was conducted into tulpamancy systems by Stanford University. Tulpamancy, for those unaware, is a mostly psychological practice of creating headmate through intentional effort.

The neurologist who led this study discussed the results in an AMA in the r/tulpas subreddit:

Essentially, the brain of tulpamancers showed different activity when a tulpa was controlling a limb versus when the host simply imagined someone moving their limbs.

If you're from r/systemscringe and this is the first time you've heard of any of these papers, that is by design!

The subreddit and most anti-endo communities are designed to keep you ignorant. Only their view is permitted. Anyone who contradicts their views, anyone who links to academic source that show the existence of endogenic plurality, is banned!

This is how they operate. It's how they keep you hateful. It's how they control you.

Remember, if there was a single paper out there that contradicted these studies, where even one doctor said you need trauma to be plural, r/systemscringe would have provided that by now.

The reason they only give sources about DID is because they can't find even one single doctor to say you need trauma or a disorder to be plural.

They want you to be ignorant. They want you to not find out what the actual professionals and experts think!

[plurapony]

Every time our SimplyPlural gets posted we get cross posted to r/syscringe and flamed for having "100+ MLP introjects" "Introjects of MLP background characters"

and meanwhile im just screaming in the background THEY ARE JUST PROFILE PICTURES! THEY ARE NOT ALL MLP INTROJECTS! IT IS JUST PROFILE PICTURES! PROFILE PICTURES!

[installzoey]

Ever wonder who's on the other side of the screen making fun of you? Let's take a look today at one prime example!

This is someone who posts daily to Systems Cringe. Now, believe it or not, I'm not a system - so I don't have a dog in this fight. But what I am is a good human being. So naturally, someone who spends their time 24/7 bullying people online made me go "yuck"!

but.. who are you letting get under your skin? let's recap!

these people spend all day on reddit, discord, and god knows where else discussing and posting about people they look feverishly online for to post (hi, you found my post by accident, but I'm not a system)!

they think the world revolves around them and DID. they think that everybody has a grasp on syscourse and people you meet in real life will ask about your trauma to see if you pass the validity test or not. but no, because you guys have never been outside, here's how it usually goes talking to someone else IRL: "hi, nice weather today, isn't it?"

they're unhappy with their lives and themselves. let's take a look at the example we picked for today's lesson - they constantly post on Reddit, red flag, right? but what they post about shows how pathetic their life truly is

they're obsessed with my spouse, posting them daily, but sorry, we're monogamous! find another relationship to join and crash..

they talk about how the world sucks because nobody notices their art. I would feel bad but.. karma much?

they post yaoi hazbin art and discuss gay hazbin hotel ships. please, don't let a yaoi viziepop shipper ruin your day - they clearly don't have much going for them already. (no offense to viziepop fans.. smh)

they are OBSESSED with character.ai to the point of posting about it regularly as well. I mean, I knew they needed to touch grass, but wow.. make some real friends! your waifu robot doesn't really love you (or exist!)

they're an adult but browse minor-oriented spaces like teenager subreddits - WEIRD much?

they also just have very weird stances which doesn't sit right with me, especially given the above - like defending the option to romance a child in a video game (because she's actually 200000000, duh) and comparing dating someone with DID to dating an anime child.. wow..

and so much more.. horrible takes and sad cries for help...

So what's the point? I just want to remind everyone that the people on the other end of the screen are often super miserable and unhappy with their own lives, riddled with their own flaws, and use others as a punching bag to feel better about themself and project their insecurities on - like this dude! As someone who again is not a system, regardless of any takes on syscourse, bullying is just objectively pathetic. Do better. And if you're a victim of their bullying, don't let them get to you.

[endosys-culture-is]

not a sub because we still don’t have any but I looked at r/systemscringe to check if they found me yet and this is just funny (TW systemscringe)

-The ICD-11

[attentionneedyqueen]

Rating R/syscringe comments about me!

My original post and The reddit post <3

Tw : Ableism

User 1 :

Uhm 💀

[RATING: 1/10. Boring, but straight to the point.]

User 2 (top 5% commenter) :

so it's gotten to the point they're just loud and proud about it, yet they're still getting away with this? real classy, if it's not bait i'll be really annoyed.

[RATING: 8/10 No, dear redditor, it is not bait. I am being #deadass, /Srs, if you will. A little trueposting on main. Imoblogging. Favorite out of the bunch as it makes us plurals sound like some evil movement]

User 3 :

They’re right in that there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting validation, attention, and to be more interesting! But there are unhealthy ways of going about getting there.

→ User 4 (replying to 3) :

We need to normalize requesting attention. Normalize saying “hey, I’m lonely and/or bored and want someone to talk to.” Normalize saying “Hey, I feel like I’m being ignored.”

[RATING: -0.0010/10 PLZZZ ADD SOME PIZZAZ PLZZZ. Well at least User 3's kinda based.]

User 5 :

ew

[RATING: 0/10 because one less letter and no emoji unlike the first one. I like to think I'm fair ]

User 6 :

At least they have the guts to accept that DID faking is typically done for attention. I’d prefer this attitude over a “NOO!!1!!1! EVERY SYSTEM IS VALID AND U CANT FAKECLAIM CUZ UR JUST A SILLY JELLY SINGLET WITH NO MEDICAL LITERACY OR COMPASSION FOR MY OBVIOUS SUFFERINGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHGRRR>>:(((“

-> User 3 (Replying to 6) :

Right? I would prefer this over “gusss I HATE having DID why did our Martha Washington factive do our homework by candlelight with all the lights off”

[RATING: 3/10 NOOOOO USER 3!!!! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE BASEDDDDDD!!!!]

User 7 :

Jesus fucking Christ man. On Christmas eve?????

[RATING: 8/10 Christmas came 341 days early :3]

User 8 :

Fuck them, so tired of this fucking bullshit they do and in a way it's fucking worst when they are fucking open about fucking faking a fucking horrible mental illness, fuck them 😤

[RATING: -5/10 ohmygoooodddddd cheer UP! People with a disorder just have a disorder ! Not the fucking bubonic plague cursed apon them from Bhaal. Fucking "horrible mental illness" is like sooo varied from person to person.]

User 9 (1% commenter) :

Finally they admit to being attention seekers

[RATING: 100000/10 LOUD AND PROUD BROTHER!!!!]

CONCLUSION :

Well, that was fun! Honestly I hope more people do stuff like this. Being posted on that subreddit can be a super fun experience (but only if you make it be/want it to be)! At least for someone like me LOL.

I also find it amusing that they make us sound like a bigger problem than we actually are. It'd be adorable if it wasn't just a smidge concerning.

Anyways! PLZZZZ TAG ME IF YOU RATE COMMENTS FROM THIS SUBREDDIT ON YOUR PLURAL POSTS!!!!!!!!!! PRETTY PLZZZZ!!!!

[ecos-syscourse]

*heavier sigh*

1. singlet is not a slur what. do you think cis is a slur? you egg? (quoted from Shakespeare)

2. people use this same excuse to deny 504's. you and i are not the exact same person, we do not have the same needs, we do not have the same preferences. they are not 'being different', they are being themselves.

they have no reason to lie + pretend about who they are (and end up struggling) simply because your brain cannot comprehend somebody with different needs or preferences from your own. or, somebody who is different from yourself.

there is no 'normal human'.

if every human was the average human then every family (U.S.) would have 1.94 children. im unsure I have ever met somebody with 1.94 children.

[saltedcavessys]

Remembering the about section of systemscringe

So, them saying “faking or not” just implies they’re…cringing at people with disorders they know are real?

Cringe culture is dead, for one. Secondly, do you see how there’s a problem there? People with disorders who have been repeatedly traumatized as a young child, who are STRUGGLING (even if they don’t let it show online.), and they just…call them cringe because they did something “wrong”? And I know somebody’s gonna say “they aren’t struggling!” And to that I say: how the fuck do you know? Sure, they make act very frilly and happy on the internet, but we’re still seeing a tiny portion of their lives. It is entirely possible they just don’t want to share the negative aspects of their disorder online, which is entirely understandable with something like this!

Again with the faking or not thing. But also I’ve seen minors under 15 be posted before? And the posts didn’t get taken down?? I get that moderating is hard but still.

And here it is, the icing on the cake. I’ve seen posts with the “Fake DID/OSDD” tag, and people in the comments just saying the most basic things. I’m 99% certain I saw someone say someone was faking because they were fictive heavy??? But also, they do realize that faking is intentional, right? People can be mistaken, yes, but faking is a constant effort thing. 99% of the people posted there aren’t faking. They may be mistaken, which is their own journey to take, but they aren’t actively trying to trick people into thinking they have a CDD.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. Tune in next time where I do something cool and everyone cheers and throws flowers at me. Byeee <33

[roman-845]

if syscringe was focused on ACTUAL FAKE SYSTEMS (read: endos and some but not all pro-endos) instead of random ass pwDID just living their lives it would be cool

[anti-systemscringe]

I'm so glad our resident mental health professionals were able to clear this up for us.

Using this to write about something that's been on my mind lately; what does more damage to people with DID, misguided teens, or the community normalizing fakeclaiming off of OBSCENELY unrelated aspects of a person and their life?

Do you know anybody with DID? A better question, do you know ALL people with DID? Most, even? Perhaps you work with DID patients. Maybe something closely related, like other CDDs.

People need to believe in the experiences of people with DID. For people with DID to get the necessary help, people need to believe they have it and not feel comfortable assuming more credibility to their armchair undiagnoses than the word of the person afflicted. And it is not DID "fakers" who have created that issue, but the communities like systemscringe who normalize speaking of subjects they know truly nothing about out of hate or misinformation.

[systemscringe-bait]

going on systok as an endogenic person feels like going into a 50's society as a gay person

I KNOW, the times we've been there we've just seen video after video of anti-endo content.

[drag-me-kicking-and-screaming]

tw: r/systemscringe

no it's not its because of this shit ass subreddit and the sunlight deprived freaks who post on it you absolute fucking buffoon

[sophieinwonderland]

Some of these syscringers are actually stupid

The comment was found under this post btw

https://www.reddit.com/r/SystemsCringe/comments/1h8r3bt/thoughts_on_this/#lightbox

LOL! Really! I'm so confused by this! MAYBE you could argue it's not a disorder in the way it hasn't been included in the DSM or ICD yet. But it's also considered a dissociative disorder by the psychiatrist who coined it. It doesn't matter that it hasn't gotten official recognition yet and you can't officially diagnose it. It also meets the DSM's definition of a disorder even if it's not actually in the DSM.

[plurapony]

we all know that r/systemscringe users do a lot of bad with fakeclaiming, bullying/harassment, extreme misinformation about dissociative disorders but the worst crime? purposely being stupid in order to mislead the subreddit into upvoting them.

(example 1 - a lovely redditor posting our vent to the subreddit)

In example 1 the meaning of the post was meant to be "haha no phone no alters brr" which the redditor believed it would appease the subreddit however if the redditor had any reading comprehension and any ability to think logically - they would see that the post was not about that!

we as human beings use tools to help us complete tasks more efficiently (just like the redditor uses character.ai to facilitate conversations they wouldn't otherwise be having!) the downside to this unfortunately is when our tools we've come so accustomed to using break unexpectedly it will throw us through a loop.

in our case we have full time employment which requires us to be out of the house (away from our laptop and notebooks) 10+ hours several days a week. a symptom of dissociative identity disorder is amnesia and we have heavy amnesia which means if we aren't able to note down thoughts, we will forget (because that's what amnesia does! forgetting!)

we also are formally diagnosed with autism, which for those of you who are able to think - you'd imagine that plays a part in inner communication! not having a phone then makes it harder for the parts that don't communicate as easily as other parts!

so with that all being said, what exactly is cringe about example 1? was the redditor actually very stupid? or was the redditor just pretending to be stupid for upvotes?

[IMAGE ID: ponyville is a (pro) endo free zone break dni and get blocked loser! END ID]

[the-superstardaycare]

I KNOW we dont usually post things like these, but...

hehe >:P