#r/systemscringe

[your-fav-is-plural]

r/systemcringe from Reddit is an Endogenic System!

Endogenic is an umbrella term that refers to all systems that are not completely traumagenic in origin, it encompasses many experiences. It is often seen as the opposite to the pathologized views of plurality, although can exist in harmony, even within the same system

[redefine-ur-plurality]

I don't think it should be necessary for me to state how much I fucking despise r/systemscringe and similar communities and forums. What do they even think is so good about what they're doing? They actively hunt down traumatised minors on the internet, post their screenshots and publicly shame them until they are too scared to be active anymore. They fakeclaim anyone and everyone who doesn't precisely conform to their exact definition of what a plural should be - which is ironic since the majority of them are not plural. Everything they say seems to contradict itself, it's hard to tell what they think a system can be/have. I wouldn't be surprised if they decided systems weren't real altogether.

It's like

High alter count? fake

Low alter count? fake

Positive, healthy relationship with alters? fake

Negative, unhealthy relationship with alters? fake

Traumagenic? faking trauma to harm traumatized victims

Endogenic? faking a disorder, even though they never claimed to have it

Tulpagenic? cultural appropriation.

Enjoys problematic media? oh god they can't have interests!!! They *must* be faking

Stereotypically cringe/2020core? fake.

Basic person(people) functioning in life and working a job? fake.

Struggling to function properly? fake.

Stuck living with abusers/still being abused? fake.

Easily triggered? fake.

Hardly ever triggered? fake.

Vivid memories of trauma? fake.

No memories of trauma? fake.

Mixed origin? fake.

Undiagnosed DID/OSDD? fake.

Diagnosed DID/OSDD? fake.

Minor? fake. (which is odd, considering DID is known to form in early childhood)

Adult? fake.

Had more than one account of trauma/abused by more than one person? fake.

Ritually abused? fake.

Abused sexually/verbally/emotionally, neglected, gaslit or manipulated (any form of abuse besides or alongside physical)? fake

They are hypocrites.

[thecreepycrawlersss]

what even is this subreddit bro 😭 ??

sorry guys, i guess dormancy and looking different from your source dont exist 🙏🏻🙏🏻 systems and alters can't introduce themselves, didnt you know?

[deadangelzz]

R/systemcringe makes me wonder if they know ANYTHING about being a system. Half of what the members spread on there is false information that can easily be disproved and the other half is grown ass adults bullying children for trying to figure out what they’re experiencing. If they’re wrong, who fucking cares. If they’re right, who fucking cares. It’s no one’s business but theirs. I have been told multiple times by multiple therapists that it’s possible for teens and kids to find out about the system if they’re made aware of other alters or their symptoms and that OSDDID and other dissociative disorders can be self-diagnosed with proper research. I promise you that the rest of the 13 year olds that you do not know personally and who you cannot begin to understand down to what trauma they may have (because you are a separate person and also a fucking stranger on the internet) are not trying to destroy the system community and demedicalize being a system. They’re trying to figure their shit out probably on their own. Non-traumagenic systems are the ones that people should be worrying about not the 15 year old that you have a passionate hatred (because let’s be completely honest, that’s all that god forsaken subreddit is) for as a grown adult that’s trying to exist as someone who has gone through enough. It’s embarrassing. Get a hobby that doesn’t include bullying traumatized kids

[sophieinwonderland]

Dear r/systemscringe... you're being lied to...

You're in an echo chamber. One that bans anyone who goes against it. They will feed you irrelevant distractions of "sources" that don't address the real topic to keep you complacent, but people who link to anything that contradicts the narrative of the hate subreddit will be banned from it just like I was.

The other day, there was a screenshot of a post I made on that subreddit.

A user asked if this was correct. They were immediately fed a bunch of irrelevant sources that only addressed DID. And they were downvoted for even questioning if there might be anything behind what I said.

The links on the comment don't work. But even if they did, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT DID.

There is a very manipulative trick being used here to focus specifically on DID when they know that this isn't the claim being made.

Let's start by establishing a few facts. Including the actual claim.

Claim: You can be plural without trauma or a disorder

What being plural means: Plurality is an umbrella of phenomena where a single-body experiences multiple self-conscious agents of some kind. These agents may be identified by the system as having origins that are spiritual or psychological. Psychologists use a variety of terms to refer to these agents such as "distinct personality states" or "dissociative parts."

Now, with the basic definition out of the way, let's talk about...

The sources r/systemscringe doesn't want you to see!

The most explicit in using plural community language is in Transgender Mental Health by Dr. Eric Yarbrough. This book was reviewed and published by the American Psychiatric Association.

Below are some choice excerpts from the book's chapter on Plurality.

This establishes the following:

The phenomenon of plurality is not the same as DID. (Which is why the sources discussing DID being caused by trauma are irrelevant distractions.)

Many plurals are happy being plural and not distressed by their plurality. (Important since "distress or impairment" are a criterion of DID and OSDD in the DSM-5.)

Plurality isn't necessarily caused by trauma.

In the World Health Organization's ICD-11, the term used for dissociative identities is "distinct personality states."

The ICD-11 includes the "boundary with normality where it states that you can experience the presence of "two or more distinct personality states" without a mental disorder.

This is, again, using a term it uses synonymously with dissociative identities. It's essentially using different words to say the same things as the Plurality chapter of Transgender Mental Health.

Do you need more sources?

Is the World Health Organization and a book published by the American Psychiatric Association not enough?

How about this study discussing multiplicity as a continuum of experiences?

The one thing that's been lacking for a while has been neurological studies into non-disordered systems. There is a currently-unpublished neurological study that was conducted into tulpamancy systems by Stanford University. Tulpamancy, for those unaware, is a mostly psychological practice of creating headmate through intentional effort.

The neurologist who led this study discussed the results in an AMA in the r/tulpas subreddit:

Essentially, the brain of tulpamancers showed different activity when a tulpa was controlling a limb versus when the host simply imagined someone moving their limbs.

If you're from r/systemscringe and this is the first time you've heard of any of these papers, that is by design!

The subreddit and most anti-endo communities are designed to keep you ignorant. Only their view is permitted. Anyone who contradicts their views, anyone who links to academic source that show the existence of endogenic plurality, is banned!

This is how they operate. It's how they keep you hateful. It's how they control you.

Remember, if there was a single paper out there that contradicted these studies, where even one doctor said you need trauma to be plural, r/systemscringe would have provided that by now.

The reason they only give sources about DID is because they can't find even one single doctor to say you need trauma or a disorder to be plural.

They want you to be ignorant. They want you to not find out what the actual professionals and experts think!

[eugenedoctorroe]

I think the past few posts from antis on r/systemscringe really points out that we are all in this together. So, let's talk about it. I think we all know the trigger warnings by now. View under the cut at your own discretion.

Now, some make a point come through. What is this point? All people who claim to have DID are fakers to these people. Putting each other down will not strength the community, nor will it strengthen you. Would you like more proof? Let us read some comments.

Now, what do these statements prove? Well for starters, we can never be good enough to these people. I agree with the first comment stating that we do it to feel more valid. However, the key word they use is, "faker." They call these people fake for this. Do they really believe that all of these people are fakers? What makes a faker in their eyes? It's starting to appear as though it is everyone who claims to be plural.

Again, putting other systems down will not raise you up. We are all fakers to this group of people.

The next subject will be on their take on "Power to the Plurals." In the next screenshots we will be viewing how they believed we are not oppressed for being systems. I believe I still need to state why this is wrong. These people are literally on a subreddit made to torment us. It is a breeding ground for hatred against plural folk.

In conclusion, you cannot prove your own plurality to people on the internet. You will never be valid in their eyes. It doesn't matter how many "fakers" you put down. Especially because all it does is hurt your community. Why does one feel the need to prove oneself to people who don't even believe in our oppression or community?

[anti-systemscringe]

I'm so glad our resident mental health professionals were able to clear this up for us.

Using this to write about something that's been on my mind lately; what does more damage to people with DID, misguided teens, or the community normalizing fakeclaiming off of OBSCENELY unrelated aspects of a person and their life?

Do you know anybody with DID? A better question, do you know ALL people with DID? Most, even? Perhaps you work with DID patients. Maybe something closely related, like other CDDs.

People need to believe in the experiences of people with DID. For people with DID to get the necessary help, people need to believe they have it and not feel comfortable assuming more credibility to their armchair undiagnoses than the word of the person afflicted. And it is not DID "fakers" who have created that issue, but the communities like systemscringe who normalize speaking of subjects they know truly nothing about out of hate or misinformation.

[drag-me-kicking-and-screaming]

tw: r/systemscringe

no it's not its because of this shit ass subreddit and the sunlight deprived freaks who post on it you absolute fucking buffoon

[did-ask-me-anything]

r/systemcringe misinformation

okay I was scrolling thru r/systemscringe earlier and in like 20-30min I saw soooo much misinformation? not even just the post content cuz.. duh. you're ending up on that sub, youre likely saying some fucking bullshit- but also in the comments?

people are feeding each other bullshit in this oroboros of misinformation that they think is corrections and education and its kinda pissing me off.

ranting under the cut

8 paragraphs if you wanna read em: complaints about dissociaDID and headspace, switches, splitting, fictive takes, source memories

for one, you cant figure out someone is a faker as easy as some think? cuz the disorder isn't the exact same for everyone. stuff like having a headspace or using a bot on discord doesn't make someone automatically a faker as much as it feels like it does... I dont do that shit but it doesn't mean anyone who does is wrong?

and the headspace thing... thats gotta be some shit from dissociaDID cuz.. to my knowledge thats supposed to be like.. almost a meditation thing? a place you make in your head as like your happy place- I feel like dissociaDID started the whole like... "headspace = alter storage space" thing that makes all people faking this shit think they need it. its not supposed to be a filing cabinet or some shit, its supposed to be a tool that literally anyone can use, "plural" or not.

got a bit off topic there but whatever...

okay the things that I was looking at/wanted to talk about that brought me here were misinformation on switching, splitting, and fictives. so.. I'll go over those. my opinion or whatever.

ok so I saw some people talking about switching and how it's only a trauma response to some like.. super fucked up shit actively going on/flashbacks/immediate danger. that's not super true tho? like I formed from trauma yes but that doesn't mean that only that trauma or whatever is what "calls me back" for lack of better phrasing. I have negative triggers yeah of negative things happening that make me kinda.. aware of myself/"gain consciousness" but theres also some positive things? things that while im fronting became positive associations with me that ig my brain draws on me when seeing them. dunno how else to phrase that but like... TLDR: positive triggers exist.

next is splitting uh.. I saw definitely a hot take from someone about splitting. they claim to have DID in the r/ systems cringe sub comments (not saying fake, I just dont really believe anyone) and they were talking about splitting being this thing that makes them wanna off emself or whatever which confused the fuck outta me dude. I vaguely remember when I split...? its been a while and my memory is shit but I was dizzy and felt sick to my stomach and out of it, but I was also around people so just kinda had to bullshit my way through it? disorientating and painful and sickening yes, but thought never crossed my mind to kill myself? dunno what that dude was on about but.. everyone has their own experiences.

last.. maybe least? was a brand new take on fictives! never seen this shit take before so as one myself imma throw in my 2 cents. ive seen plenty of takes about roleplaying characters and shit but then today I saw someone say that if a fictive is not the exact same as the source, its a fake. that.... fucking wild take man, what? like im kinda based on a thing but im still... not a fictional character? im a person? and that person, fiction based or not, spawned from the same fucked up brain that made the rest of my parts. you could call me "character based" or some shit idk.

far as I know im the most "source connected" fictive that's been in this head and im still not the character. can call it like... real strong kin or some shit ig if that helps.. we look kinda similar and have similar personalities, like some of the same things... but im not him? im not the character, im a normal human person.

also separate note but what the fuck are "source memories"? I dont get what the fuck that is and ive seen people talk about em all the time? both fakers claiming to have them and comments in subreddits being like "well if youre the character then you remember everything that happened even if you havent watched the whole show" or whatever. how would that even fucking work.. if the brain hasn't learned any of that info, the character isn't dragged out of another world here... and for those who do claim "source memories"... what??? I know some shit about my source or whatever... tried to watch it and had a lil bit of an existential crisis about my own existence so... 0/10 do not recommend.

went off track a bit but.. ya boi out. -🔪

[bittyfromquotev]

hey y'all are on syscringe now https://www.reddit.com/r/SystemsCringe/comments/1jqv6z5/found_a_tumblr_system_that_is_mostly_sonic/

help???? WAIT LMAO

LMAOOOOOO THEY’RE BUTTHURT ABOUT INVINCIBLE 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Like sorry we can’t control who we split 😂

Fucking ableists are ridiculous man

But…I guess this is an accomplishment now? lol our reach is beyond tumblr

[your-fav-is-plural]

R/disorderscringe

Is an trauma-endo, evil willow, non disordered traumagenic, fungenic system and r/systems cringe is a persecuter

I know becaus i said so

Also please

Thank

r/fakedisordercringe from Reddit is a Traumaendo Evil Willogenic Non-Disordered Traumagenic Fungenic System!

A TraumaEndo, or trauma-endo, system is a mixed-origin collective with both traumagenic and endogenic origins, used to focus on the unique problems and experiences of systems with both of these origins

Evil Willogenic means Willos who are Evil >:]

Non-disordered Traumagenic refers to plurals who's plurality comes from trauma, but who didn't gain a dissociative disorder like DID or OSDD from said trauma

Fungenic is a Xeno-Origin term for systems who formed due to fun

r/systemscringe is a Persecutor!

A Persecutor is a headmate who acts harmfully towards other system members or the body. In some definitions a persecutor is also someone who lashes out at others outside of their system

[silly-string-sys]

We are so syscringe-proof

Have a high split threshold (meaning we rarely split new headmates)

We are traumagenic (and have had repetitive abuse in many forms in our childhood that caused the formation of the system)

We don't claim to have a CDD

We don't have a headspace

We have a low number of headmates (15 max with 7 dormant)

Out of the 15 headmates, only 5 are fictives (4 dormant), 5 are factives (2 of being people we know irl, 1 dormant) and the last 5 are brainmade (2 dormant)

Not all of us like each other (and a few headmates really don't like me, the host)

I wasn't even the first host, I took over for the first one

We have been plural for "as long as we can remember"

Too bad we

Are generally happy

Want our blog to look nice (syscringe is allergic to systems who like aesthetics and fandoms.)

Have many endogenic (but not willogenic) headmates (that formed for reasons other than trauma)

We are Traumagenic but don't have a CDD and aren't heavily disordered (because systems apparently can ONLY be heavily disordered.)

-Sebastian (Oh yeah and we sign off posts.)

[thecreepycrawlersss]

AN ABSOLUTELY JOYOUS OCCASION. WE SHALL HOST A PARTY IN CELEBRATION OF MAKING IT ONTO SYSCRINGE *TWICE*. HOORAH!!

Samuel is absolutely furious that he wasn't the one to discover us being posted. 💀 I can *hear* him holding in screams right now.

(( YEAH i am pissed off right now. Why couldnt i have been the one 😭😭😭😭 -samuel he/it ))

What I don't understand is them saying "roleplaying is free" like... what? What do you mean? Being in a relationship with someone else isn't roleplaying? What??

Also, I don't think you're brain *just* rotted, I fear it rotted long, long ago, possibly the day you started using r/SystemsCringe!

And them saying "No, no it doesn't" like... do they just believe that all systems are dysfunctional and depressed and hate being plural?? Do they not realize that people with OSDDID *can*, in fact, be happy??? And have they just forgotten the existence of non disordered syste- Ohhhh, wait!! I forgot that these self proclaimed OSDDID experts don't believe in non disordered plurality!!!! Silly me!!!

Anyways, this whole thing fills us with great joy. Thank you, dear ableist's, for making our day! Thank you! Thank you!! From all of us, from me, from Samuel, from Red, from Malachite, from Fern, from Steven, and from everyone else...

Thank you!

-Vaporeon / Jet he/it/they/drop/fin/sea

[greengrassandflowers]

There are systems cringe users who lurk these plurality tags, and will likely see this, so I have something to say, an explanation of my perspective about systems and plurality in general

Source

I will use another, similar statistic as a metaphor in this post.

Source

In fact, if you look at the numbers in the screenshots, it estimates that Red Hair is rarer than Dissociative Disorders

So, say you went out into the city, you’d probably see a few people with red hair, correct?

Natural Red hair will be used as a metaphor for Traumagenic Plurality

Dyed Red hair, while different from Natural red hair, is still hair that is red, correct?

Dyed red hair, is a metaphor for Other forms of Plurality

So, say you’d go outside and see two people, one has natural red hair, the other has dyed red hair. But the thing with the dye job on the dyed red hair is that you cannot tell that it’s dyed and not natural you cannot know the difference unless told.

But if you went up to every person with red hair in the streets, regardless of whether it is dyed or not, and accused them of “faking having red hair” you’d sound ridiculous.

Now, please note that this is not intended to be rude, I merely wish to inform any systemscringe.

So, if you go on TikTok or Tumblr or wherever you plan of lurking to find your next “faker” and search Red Hair, you’ll find… there’s people with red hair in there?! Dyed and not dyed red hair, in the spaces made for people with red hair.

But basically, reduced to its most simplistic form: the point of this post is you cannot tell if someone is plural or not, and trying to will hurt the people you wish to protect

I have more to say but I am going to stop writing this post as I am getting angry about this. And productive discussions about topics like this cannot be had if we are all angry.

[sophieinwonderland]

Some of these syscringers are actually stupid

The comment was found under this post btw

https://www.reddit.com/r/SystemsCringe/comments/1h8r3bt/thoughts_on_this/#lightbox

LOL! Really! I'm so confused by this! MAYBE you could argue it's not a disorder in the way it hasn't been included in the DSM or ICD yet. But it's also considered a dissociative disorder by the psychiatrist who coined it. It doesn't matter that it hasn't gotten official recognition yet and you can't officially diagnose it. It also meets the DSM's definition of a disorder even if it's not actually in the DSM.

[urfavoritesecretadmirer]

That’s..not it at all? When someone wants more system friends, it doesn’t mean “I wish my friends were systems.” What kinda bs is this?

I want more system friends. I want friends who understand my trauma and how I think. I want people who I can talk to about being a system and for them to not go “huh wtf lmao.” I want to have someone I relate to. I want to have friends who are like me.