#the egg theory

[vil0vesme]

Hi I noticed you’re a shifter and I was wondering if you could give me advice on something! I haven’t made a script for a DR since 2022 but now that I’m shifting to Arcane I would feel more comfortable if I got my thoughts written down. Anyway one thing I’m struggling with is how I fit into their reality and their story. In League of Legends and in Arcane, every character is unique and strong as an individual and relevant to the story in their own way. Adding myself in there makes me feel like an imposter because I’m really nothing special. Maybe it’s a case of main character syndrome but I want to contribute to the story and their lives in some way. I don’t want to steal anyone else’s backstory such as Ekko creating the Firelights, or Cait being the sheriff, or Jinx building weapons to cause chaos in Piltover. Do you have any ideas on what I could script to be a backstory for myself that’s relevant to the story? :)

Oh, my, GOSH. I FELT THE SAME WAY AS YOU WHEN I STARTED WANTING TO SHIFT TO ARCANE OMGOGMGOGMGOF

anyway

But YES, HEYYYY!! My fellow Arcane shifter🙂‍↕️ This turns into a lil rant, sorry😔☝🏾

I asked the very same questions, like - GENUINELY!! For me, I'm a people pleaser irl, but like - adding myself into the Arcane universe also made ME feel out of place.

So I started questioning like - why do I feel like I don't belong there? Should I shift somewhere else? The answer was - YES, I WAS, shifting somewhere else, you know what I mean? I wasn't shifting to a modern day setting with the Arcane characters, no.

I was shifting to a steam punk reality, where class division, systemic oppression, police brutality, poverty, etc, were inevitable. Since I live in Zaun there. So then I started gathering myself, drawing myself there - connecting with my Arcane reality. Whether that be music, drawing, or ANYTHING. I wanted to get COMFORTABLE with my surroundings for when I get there, because I'm going somewhere that's COMPLETELY different from my home here.

I also started reading other people success stories, Arcane DR's, all of that. Until I came to the realisation that I DO fit in my Arcane reality, I belong EVERYWHERE. Because - this is just my physical body. In reality? I'm just energy, a soul, a being, you know? The universe, multiverse, Godverse, whatever you wanna call it - is infinite. Infinite realities, infinite possibilities.

I started changing my line of thought, and started calling my "reality" home.

It was a BIG game changer for me.

But YES, back to your question - I fully believe that you should start to get to know yourself there, like - as in what their personality, looks, clothes, look like. Are they from Piltover? Zaun? Demacia? Noxus? The shadow isle? Ionia? Bilgewater?

Because in my opinion, where you come from or where you were raised, there, kinda creates your personality, your ideals, your dreams, inspirations, all of it.

Being "relevant" to the story is something I struggled with, but then I realised you have the power RIGHT WITH YOU. The universe is INFINITE, out there - you from that reality is in Arcane. They already EXIST! You ALREADY belong there!!!

This also comes in hand with the egg theory, I'd highly recommend reading topics on it or watching videos of it!! Was motivating for me, and gave me a different perspective!!!

Sorry if it sound mean, I didn't want it to😔☝🏾 But I'm not the best with ideas when it comes to giving other people ideas💔

But honestly this is what I can give you, take my advice!! Unless you've been doing it already, I'd definitely recommend reading success stories, or even tips on here about character creating or something - if it helps with the main character syndrome (twins)🙏🏾🙏🏾

But thank you for asking!! Safe travels back home!!🫶🏾🫶🏾 (your reality is home, GET IN THAT BUS AND GO HOME!!!)

[very-uncorrect]

The Egg is a short story by Andy Weir where someone dies and meets God and finds out that they're the only person that exists, reincarnating as every person ever. God then says that the person is also a God (and that there are many other Gods like them) and that the universe is like an egg that the person will emerge from and properly become one of these god-like creatures after living every human life to ever exist.

[veletizor]

the egg theory

[brucethecrocodile]

WIP plus tester and idea working for a tiktok trend I'm working on it's not close to being done but slowly but surely

[duxarcana]

The Japanese translation of Chapter 3 gave us some new information on the Man behind the tree, so let's talk about it! (JP transcriptions and translations in Alt Text!)

Lots of people have noted that Kris is in their Light World form in this scene, but the Japanese version also has the Aces and the Man himself speak in the hiragana-heavy style of the Light World rather than the kanji-heavy style of the Dark World.

There is another mysterious character who speaks in the Light World style, however.

--The sender of this Valentine from the 2024 Winter Newsletter. Even if you can't read Japanese, you can probably notice how the bottom two paragraphs (where the letter begins) don't contain characters of the same complexity as those above (the narration).

The Man and the letter writer also both speak in a masculine tone, ending sentences like these in -ka na and referring to themselves as watashi and the listener as kimi.

Both the Man and the letter writer also address the listener with commands ending in -nasai, which is a firm yet gentle kind of command that has a quite parental or caregiving tone to it.

Overall, the Man and the letter writer (who, based on these lines, could very likely be the same person) come across as warm and friendly toward the listener, whom they address as a child.

There is actually one more speaker whose speech patterns also resemble those of the Man behind the tree.

These unused lines can be found in the code for Chapter 1:

Is that a cut on your face, or part of your eye? The gash weaves down as if you cry. The pain itself is reason why.

These lines do not actually appear together in the code, but they have long been theorized to go together based on the fact that they rhyme. The Japanese version of the code seems to back this up, as these lines have actually been translated so that they rhyme there as well!

キミの顔…　それは傷かい？　 それとも　目なのかい？ パックリ割れた　切り傷が　 まるで　涙のあとみたい。 理由は　その　痛み自体。 kimi no kao... sore wa kizu kai? sore to mo me na no kai? pakkuri wareta kirikizu ga maru de namida no ato mitai. riyuu wa sono itami jitai. Translated to English: "Your face... is that a wound? Or is it your eye?" "The cut, split wide open, looks almost like a tear streak." "The reason is that pain itself."

These lines use the Dark World style of speech, but the speaker addresses the listener as kimi and ends their questions with the friendly and highly masculine particle -kai, which is something the Man also does throughout his speech in Ch 3:

There is of course always the possibility that a future chapter will disprove this, but for now, there is good evidence that these three speakers may be one and the same!

[fluo-skeletons]

DELTARUNE EGG MAN + some guy who is refusing to show up

hmmm

hmm

Note the lack of asterisk and the all caps. "but fluo, the other characters in this world also spoke the same way" YEAh that's why it's the perfect way to conceal someone who often speaks in this same manner!!! jk jk but WHAT IF

(in ch4's egg room, the secretary speaks in all caps but has an asterisk)

does any of this make sense

So, where is he?

wait.

So we know he has a thing with not sleeping and all that. right. What does this mean...

there was something else I wanted to add but ironically I have forgotten what that was. Anyway, is Papyrus the egg man? I don't know. Is he in any way connected to him? maybe.

[hyfinart]

cw // shimmer death! not graphic just cracked egg but just in case!

what's wrong, mephone?

[kozykricket]

CHAT. i HAVE DECRYPTED SOME- okay hold on. beware spoilers first. ahem. its about The Man Behind The Tree though. spoilers for ch3 & ch4

SO. i have DECRYPTED the WEIRD STUFF the man says in ch3... at least some of it. listen. ill get to the other stuff later, but... his SCHEDULE

In chapter 1, after you exit the egg room, it spits you back out at the bakesale, which... is a few rooms back.

...always found that odd. but now... we're getting somewhere.

okay, thats on the nose. NOW you'd think the next day would refer to where to find him in ch3, but consider the fact that the ch3 dark world happens during the night. this refers to the ch4 dark world...

...so now that leaves...

...and if you know the secret boss of ch4 any bit, i think you can see where this is going about ch5. fields of pink and gold...

BUT in regards to the OTHER stuff the man says in ch3, well. its much more obtuse.

[tio-trile]

Some of my storyboards from the season 2 finale's ending "Reunion"

[thisiswasp]

The Smokestack Twins & The Clarksdale Bank Robbery.

I re-read the Clarksdale Herald article about the twins robbing the bank. I've been wondering about which twin did what. 

“Two masked men, both Black, stormed the bank—one took charge with smooth, calculated commands, while the other used violent force to control the room.”

When I read this after I first saw the movie, the words “smooth”, “calculated”, and “commanding” stood out.  At first, I assumed it was Smoke, because of his serious, practical, and no-nonsense disposition, and thought Stack was the latter, because he seemed more impulsive, and just likes to wing it, but I couldn’t really picture it. 

Upon several views, I think that it may have been Stack who smoothly commanded the room. Throughout the film Smoke inflicted most of the violence. He committed patricide, killed the snake, shot the thieves, threatened to shoot Pearline, pulled a gun on Sammie, and whacked him in the face, etc. 

Stack was a charmer, personable and charismatic. He persuaded Delta Slim and Cornbread out of their reluctance to take a job at Club Juke. It’s not that Stack is incapable of violence (he’s a WWI veteran and a gangster), it just doesn’t seem like his first resort. The most aggressive behavior we’ve seen Stack display was when he was locked in the room, under the influence of Remmick’s hivemind, and may have taken on some of his characteristics.

Basically, during the armed robberies, I just picture Stack smoothly demanding tellers to give him the money, with the implication of violence, while Smoke is watching his back, looming with the certainty of violence.

I love the little idiosyncrasies between the twins; Michael B. Jordan is fantastic. 

[frankent1ts]

RIDDLE THEORY

Okay so y'know how in the CH3 egg room the Forgotten Man says this nonsense?

Most ppl in the fandom write these lines of dialogue off completely, but I actually think this a riddle. More than that, I think this riddle is the Forgotten Man telling us where the past egg rooms were and where to find future egg rooms.

Let's start off with addressing the whole Thursday-Sunday thing, what do the days of the week have to do with egg rooms? Everything actually! Because guess what? CH1 of Deltarune takes place on a Thursday.

We know this because in CH2 Susie and Kris go to school, but then in CH4 no one's in school because it's the first day of the weekend AKA Saturday.

So if CH4 takes place on Saturday, then CH2 must take place on Friday, and CH1 must take place on a Thursday. CH3 is stuck in a weird limbo bc Kris opened up the TV dark world late at night (probably closer to midnight, as evidenced by this quiz)

So while technically it's Saturday night because it's currently past midnight, it also doesn't feel like the start of a new day. That'll be an important detail so keep that in your noggin.

ANYWAY, let's start with the first part of the riddle.

Now while we obviously don't find the Forgotten Man selling donuts in CH1, we do find a bake sale, a bake sale that sells donuts.

It's worth noting that the bake sale has a teleporter door and the only save point you'll have for the next couple of rooms. These two things mark the bake sale as an important checkpoint. Why is the bake sale so important? Because in the very next room we find a tree identical to the one found in the egg room, hinting that we may find this very same tree again between the bake sale and the next checkpoint.

So that's part one of the riddle down, but what about this next part?

Well, this one's actually pretty obvious. CH2 takes place on a Friday, right? Well, guess where we find the egg room? In-between a sidewalk and a hidden dumpster room. Bada-bing, bada-boom.

Also notice how the dumpster and bake sale both relate to the first two secret bosses, Spamton and Jevil? Above the bake sale is where you find the blacksmith that mends the broken key to Jevil's cell, and we find out that Spamton lives in the hidden dumpster. This draws a very deliberate connection between the secret bosses and the egg rooms. Remember this.

Okay and what about the third part of the riddle?

Well, and this might be a bit weird, but I don't think this part of the riddle refers to the CH3 egg room at all. Remember how I said that CH3 is kinda in a limbo in-between Friday and Saturday because it takes place at midnight? Well, I think CH3 being in-between the days of the week excludes it from this riddle. Plus, beyond the whole time thing, the CH3 egg room doesn't relate to windows at all.

But y'know which egg room does relate to that? The CH4 egg room. Yeah, this one's also pretty obvious but we find the CH4 egg room by going in-between a window and a secret library.

Now before we move onto the last part of the riddle, allow me to spit another theory at ya. Remember how I said that the riddle deliberately connects the egg rooms to the first two secret bosses? Well, right about now you're probably beginning to question that connection. The secret boss of CH4 is Gerson, and the CH4 egg room doesn't have an obvious connection to Gerson at all. So was the connection between the first two egg rooms and the secret bosses just a coincidence?

No.

I believe the connection between the first two egg rooms and the secret bosses was intentional, and I believe that Gerson not being all that connected to the CH4 egg room was also intentional. Why do I think this? Because Gerson is the first secret boss to not slip into darkness.

Let's think about it: what do the first three secret bosses (Jevil, Spamton, and ERAM) all have in common? They're all related to darkness. Jevil is trapped in a dark, lonely cell and talks about how a darkness will consume our hearts. Spamton is forced to live in a dark garbage can and complains about how it's still so dark even in his NEO form. And ERAM is a shadowy figure found in a dark hidden room that gives us an item resistant to dark attacks.

But Gerson isn't like that at all. He tells us that someone gave him the shadow crystal and wanted him to use it, but he refused to. And seemingly because of that, he didn't get lost in the darkness. Unlike the first three secret bosses, Gerson is kind, helpful, friendly, but most of all he isn't consumed by darkness. Hell, he spends most of his time in a comfy well-lit room with a fireplace. He's the absolute antithesis to the first three secret bosses.

And it's because of this that the CH4 egg room isn't really related to Gerson. All the other egg rooms are connected to the secret bosses in some way (even the CH3 egg room is kinda related to ERAM since they're both found through convoluted secrets in retro video games), but because Gerson broke free of that cycle, he didn't become connected to the egg room.

…However, there is still a connection to be made between Gerson and the egg room, albeit a vague one. As I mentioned, the CH4 egg room is found in-between the window and the hidden library. Well, the hidden library actually contains a single book inside. Read it and you get this story: "Something grew from the bitter water. It felt like glass."

Hm. Water, something that looks like glass? Where have I heard all that before?

Ah, yes, the shadow crystal. A piece of glass that moves like water in your hand.

So what does all this mean? Why are all the egg rooms connected back to the secret bosses/shadow crystals? Well, that's because the secret bosses/shadow crystals all relate back to one thing: Gaster.

Jevil met a strange someone that made his view of the world become darker, yet darker. Spamton was always on the phone with someone that made him a big shot, and the phone emitted garbage noise. ERAM is found in the shelter, and the shelter emits the same sound found in ENTRY NUMBER SEVENTEEN. The shadow crystals are impossibly dark shards that don't reflect any light, photon readings negative.

It all leads back to him. But why? Why are the egg rooms deliberately connected to Gaster? Well, I think you know why.

It's because the Forgotten Man is Gaster.

The Forgotten Man is found in-between rooms, and so is the Mystery Man sprite in Undertale. The Forgotten Man is forgotten and obscured, and so is Gaster. The Forgotten Man can only speak in all-caps, and so does Gaster. Gaster has knowledge of the prophecy, and so does the Forgotten Man.

“But the Forgotten Man doesn't have knowledge of the prophecy,” I hear you say. “He never tells us anything about the prophecy.”

But he does.

Let's finally talk about the last part of the Forgotten Man's riddle.

The fifth egg room is going to be found on a Sunday, it's going to be found in CH5. Importantly, it's going to be found in a wheat field. Now obviously CH5 hasn't come out yet, so I don't know what it has in store. But I know for certain that the CH5 dark world will have a wheat field.

How do I know this? Well, during your fight with Gerson, he rattles off the titles and descriptions of the chapters from The Lord Of The Hammer. We find out from Gerson that The Lord Of The Hammer series is based on the prophecy that the Fun Gang are seemingly destined to carry out. The chapters of The Lord Of The Hammer further confirm this fact as they all sound pretty similar to the first four chapters of Deltarune.

But then Gerson tells us of a fifth chapter.

According to Gerson, the fifth chapter will contain a field of pink and gold, a garden that gets burned. Obviously this hints at the CH5 dark world being inside Asgore's flower shop. It's a flower shop with double doors, Asgore had fire magic in Undertale so Asgore's garden being set ablaze would make sense, Asgore could become jealous of Sans having a better relationship with Toriel than he does.

It all adds up. But what does the “Field of Pink and Gold” mean? In Deltarune, pink and gold is often related to the secret bosses (Spamton has pink and gold shades, FRIEND's eyes are pink and gold, the controller Kris uses to play the secret boss game is pink and gold.)

Why is the field in CH5 gonna be pink and gold?

…Well, the Forgotten Man did say you'll find him in a wheat field. A golden field.

The Forgotten Man knows about the prophecy, he knows that Kris will be able to find him in a future plant-themed dark world.

But what did Gerson say about Chapter 5? That it was the last chapter? That the story “swallowed up the author whole”? An author that got killed by their own creation, now where have I heard that before?

And what do you know? The Forgotten Man only tells us about where to find him up til CH5, but not CH6 or CH7. Why is that?

If the Forgotten Man truly is a version of Gaster, then this can only mean that after CH5 we may never see the Forgotten Man again, and (just like Gerson, just like Gaster) the Forgotten Man will be swallowed up by something, something he created.

CH5 is gonna be the last chapter where we'll be able to collect an egg. And these eggs are gonna be the only way we'll be able to remember the Forgotten Man after he's gone.

And the Forgotten Man knows that this will happen. He tells you as much himself.

[dakooftacos]

now that the season has been out for a week I can FINALLY post this meme I've been holding onto since working on this episode like...almost 2 years ago lmao.

anyway, enjoy kenji sad, we love kenji sad

[screwpinecaprice]

Oh oof I slipped and hit them with dark and serious beam. 😣

[meloncolle]

this would be my ultimate setup. do you understand

[twylaisdonewitheverything]

Am I cooking or am I going insane

[spamtondivorce]

theres something here but i cant figure out what it is

i have seen generally in the fandom people giving kris the knock-off controller under asriels bed, which sort of makes sense to me with asriel being older and kris being the only human

then we have tenna talking about the "cutting edge, proprietary controller pads" which, obviously, look pretty silly. they fit the bill of what a knock-off controller would perhaps look like. but tenna hypes them up, which could point to his love for kris regardless of their differences in being human

then the odd controller that nobody wanted to use, which kris picks up and will use going forward - and its tied to their player character as well

not to mention the significance of pink and yellow in friend And spamton - friend who is still very much a mystery? but spamton who himself is a sort of knock-off in attempting to look like swatch and being a spam email mam, etc. and the parallels between spamton and kris in the fight for freedom and being controlled by the strings of fate

it makes me think about kris' species dysphoria/discomfort with being a human, as shown multiple times throughout the games. as well as now how we know theyre being manipulated by carol/(and, if theyre separate)the knight, and acting as the cage for the soul.

but... knockoffs dont have the right to complain...