#tmp ep 21

[allbluegem]

The Magnus Protocol episodes 21 to 24. In the final stretch now.

[skittzdaskittle]

I digitized it

Not entirely sure about the lower part of the outfit and head, but i still had fun drawing it, I'm sure someone else could make a spookier drawing, but I'll just leave this here

[the-goose-caboose]

So [ERROR] is interesting. We’re pretty certain it’s whatever crawled out of the Magnus institute’s manky holes. However it being Jonathan sims I feel has less weight than it did before.

That being said I do think it’s a distinct possibility it is not only “the archivist” but OUR archivist.

So here’s the thing, assuming there is some version of Jon in the OIAR’s computer systems (something that has been so heavily hinted at I’m comfortable saying is probably true), then there obviously arises a problem. There are two Jons. One Jon docile and seemingly trying to help trapped in a computer, and another one on a mindless rampage.

And notably the [ERROR] archivist couldn’t be TMP’s Jon because of the timeline. When the Magnus institute burned down Jon wouldn’t even be in college yet. Also of course Gertrude would’ve been filling that position at the time but she seems to be perfectly fine and Magnus free.

What I’m saying is I don’t think [ERROR] is Jonathan Sims, Nor do I think it’s from the TMP’s universe. I think when Jon came to the TMP universe he was placed in the computer, but the archivist was not. I think it somehow separated.

This would explain the different VA, it’s more “otherworldly” presence & there seemingly being nobody who could be the archivist in TMP. At least nobody we know of/met.

It seems fairly possible that the Magnus Institute in TMP never had an archivist, the institute is structured differently here.

This again would be reaffirmed by timeline weirdness. Why was an entity this powerful just hanging out trapped under rubble for like 2 decades? Well if it has a “complicated immigration status” like Celia then it’s only been dormant for a short while. We know people have gone to the institute’s ruins before but that still didn’t loose [ERROR]. If it only appeared recently then it’s feasible Sam & Alice were the first people to be in close proximity to it. That good good probably supernatural trauma woke it up, and it’s hungry.

[pain-is-too-tired]

THE TAPE RECORDER DOES WHAT???

[jazzfromthevoid]

I started taking notes on things that happen in the new episodes

It was going to be an actual note taking thing but this is better 👍

[bonzos-number-1-fan]

TMAGP 27 Thoughts: Uber Eats

We've broken the guest writer run with another Jonny episode and it's quickly apparent why. Super pleased to hear another Augustus incident. As I mentioned the last time we had one of these I was half expecting it to be the last of the season. Glad to be wrong and glad for another fantastic episode.

Spoilers for episode 27 of TMP and general spoilers of TMA below the cut.

There isn't a whole lot to get into for the opening scene. Lena is obviously very anxious for this visit with the minister. I'm fairly sure that's just Lena being Lena but you never know.

As I've mentioned I'm thrilled for another Augustus episode. Tim Fearon has killed it in every performance and I think the style of incident he gets are some of the most enjoyable. In no small part to the gravitas he lends these older incidents. This is going to be another quote heavy breakdown too as there are a fair few bits to really pull apart in the incident.

I really enjoyed this incident. Just a lot of fun and Augustus incidents are always great. I'm not going to get into the plot of this one too much as I feel that's fairly easy to follow. There are some details to get into all the same though. Firstly, our PoV character is an unnamed Magnus and while it'd be tempting to say it's Jonah you can't rule out the fact that their first name, and gender, wasn't mentioned here. There are also few mentions of the Great Work here too. This is something I talked about it my ep 21 post Y2K [Errors] so I won't repeat myself here. This being set in 1845 is pretty important for a few of the details but it also means it takes place just 14 years after episode 4 and so the stranger with the violin could well be our PoV character, as has been speculated by myself and others. Our Magnus' mention of being at work for 3 decades would also line up well with that timeline.

With all the more general thoughts out of the way it's time for a lot of quote.

While I have no hesitation in accepting N’s recommendation, the particulars of the collapse must be confronted directly.

The only N I think this might be alluding to is Isaac Newton. There is a later reference that, while not directly supporting this idea, reinforces it. Newton would potentially be aligned with the Institutes goals. The Great Work is the goal of alchemy and as we've seen from ep 19 it's something he was invested in. However, this episode takes place in 1845. Newton died in 1727. The "recommendation" could be something foundational to the pursuit and as such laid down before Newton passed the phrasing does make it seem more immediate than that. Which probably means this N isn't Newton, or Newton never quite kicked the bucket. Whether because he's achieved the immortality alchemy promises, or is using more sinister means. It could also be a title that's passed down too. That would be fun.

and thus far are still unable to effect transmutations beyond those endeavours we each undertook alone.

This is a very interesting quote. There are two ways of looking at this to my mind. The first is that the Great Work is simply too vast a topic for any one mind to pursue to fruition. The second is that it's impossible for one man to do it alone because the aspects of the Great Work are governed by separate powers and you can only serve/be claimed by one. If it's the second one then this is a set up anyone familiar with TMA will be very familiar with.

No, I must excise such doubts from my mind. Purification is not only to be found in chemical processes, after all.

This one isn't super important but I did want to mention that purification is the second stage in the traditional four stage process to create the Magnum Opus.

It is strange how the work of natural philosophy attunes ones eye to the things that might be termed unusual.

The quote here isn't important. The way this quote is said very much is and I've not seen anyone mention it at the time of writing. There is an unnatural strain on the word "eye" and it's obviously not a coincidence. Given the text itself doesn't have any strong meaning so I can only conclude that the problem speaking the word is with the speaker rather than the text. While it's not exactly revelatory it's likely the strongest hint we have at who Augustus is: TMA's Jonah Magnus.

our London offices

Not a whole lot to say on this bit other than it's interesting they had these at all. We knew they were snatching up a lot of land but had these been particularly prominent you'd expect them to have been mentioned by now.

Perhaps my recent frustrations with our progress and the increased scrutiny by Boyle’s incessantly meddling inheritors have pressed me to put more significance on this than is warranted

This is our second reference to episode 19. You'll all no doubt remember that Robert Hooke wrote to Robert Boyle in that episode about Newton and referenced the "Protocol" multiple times. It would now appear that my earlier speculation is correct. The histories of the Institute and the Protocol are deeply tied together and that whatever the Protocol, or rather its enactors, grows into the OIAR is connected too.

Archibald Cameron’s notebook, and found it surprisingly legible, if somewhat soiled. It is no great loss to the Institute

Okay, so this one is just bizarre. Archibald Cameron is a fairly important historical figure. He was a very prominent figure in the Jacobite rising of 1745. 100 years before this incident is set. He was the last Jacobite to be executed, in 1753. While that's now viewed as a pretty shitty move it does mean he should be well dead. There isn't really another famous Archibald Cameron that would be alive here either. So this is either the "young" 138 year old Archibald Cameron, or it's just a very odd choice of naming/a mistake. If it's the first that also means our as yet unnamed Magnus is much older than 138 if Doctor Archie is "young". Which could very well be the case if our Magnus is famed alchemist Albertus Magnus. He was born somewhere around 1200.

the rate of digestion, for lack of a better word, seems to be linked to his own levels of fear

Fear makes it hungry. Hunger theorists are either in shambles or elated.

I think that's all the interesting stuff to pick out of this incident. A really fun listen and I can't wait to hear more about

I do always enjoy Gwen and Alice hating each other. It seems like strange emails are back on the menu. Although this time I think it's more likely to be from Klaus, or one of his potential associates like Einsamernarr, than it is another John email. Especially as the address was nonsense and it contained files. It's not the first time he's leaked stuff after all, and not the first time it's been direct to Gwen.

Just… junk. Old paperwork. Nothing important. bzzt Sorry. Already deleted. bzzt

Also Alice mentioned she's trans in text now. It was always canon but now people can't deny it.

Sam and Celia's continued Magnussing doesn't have as much to dig into as you might expect here. It's all pretty explanatory and if it isn't there isn't a load to say. The obvious stuff is Hilltop and Oxford. Celia's fascination with this is obvious as she ends up in or going towards Oxford when she "sleepwalks". The Institute, and other powers, interest seems to be tied to other worlds. The Hilltop Centre is where the charity shop the hard to remember strangers packed full of strange antiques. It's also now confirmed to be where the Magnus Institute's "Outreach Centre" was that scooped up Darrien 3 in episode 17. It's also burned down in either case. It's really nice to see Alice getting more on board with all this too. I thought it was rapidly approaching the point where she wouldn't be able to just do nothing. Totally weird Celia is so concerned about the word "Archivist". Its just a job title for boring nerds.

You also have no idea how much I regret not including a joke about Trevor Herbert being the minister. I wrote a joke about the irony of going from killing blood sucking leeches to being one. I cut it because I already made the better joke about Tories that post and thought it was enough politics.

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Incident/CAT#R#DPHW Master Sheet and Terminology Sheet

DPHW Theory: 5535 seemed fine but I expected H to be a good bit higher on this. You can, obviously, just not fall for it. It does seem like a hard thing to escape from after it's gotten you though so I'd expect more H here. First one in a long time I've sort of disagreed with.

CAT# Theory: CAT3 is sort of interesting for the "It's not Person/Place/Object" thing. This is another one in the same sorts of realms as Mr. Bonzo or a doll, presumably, where something is ostensibly an object but has some higher level of reasoning. All three are different CAT#s too.

R# Theory: B felt quite high for this one but it's got multiple witnesses who both documented their sightings of it. For one of them they documented it while being victim to it. So that's probably fair.

Header talk: Kidnapping (Carriage) -/- Consumption [Letter]. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN "[letter]"‽‽‽ Why did formats stop? Why did they start? Why does it not have a crosslink subsection? Can you only have 4 terms in a heading at once?

This was done to spite me, and me alone.

[corens-relisten]

MAG 21 Freefall

spoilers already lol

(idk why its underlined... eh)

based on the title i think its a Vast. i havent even started listening. but yk

OH?? SIMON?? LIKE. SIMON FAIRCHILD, EVERYONES FAVORITE OLD VAST AVATAR??

OHHH??? HARIETT FAIRCHILD??? (the instructor)

yes this is obviously the Vast! i honestly love the Vast. so much. i dont know why ive never considered that id be a Vast avatar, actually! wait no i do. ill have to yell abt it on my main

spoilers done!

omg i got an ad for TMP IM SO EXCITED!! AAA

i loved this statement SO MUCH. AND I STILL DO. that feeling of falling OMG being trapped there is descriped so well!! i can rly imagine being there.

AND THEN. NOMNOM. the sky was pekish i think. wish it was me instead (jk... or not?)

jon sounds so dismissive of "the sky eating him" I MISSED THAT TONE SO MUCHH i love itt. and yess jon pay attention to those names

MARTIN!! YOURE BACK!! ML HIII IM SO EXCITED FOR MY FRIEND TO FIND OUT WHATS HAPPENED TO YOU <33 (ive been pressuring him to listen to this and catch up to ep 21 to follow this relisten :DD) (hoping they see this post lmao)

anywho,, whoop i dont have a drawing offering lol (i was gonna BUT SHIT HAPPENED AND I DIDNT HAVE TIME SO BYE LOL)

HAVE A GREAT DAY??!

[whoknowsyourfuture]

Spoilers for TMP up to episode 29, discussion of TMA.

Ok, so I'm a Jarchivist apologist, always have been, most likely always will. That being said, I genuinely don't think he's the bad guy right now? I'm going to do a deep dive on TMP soon, get out the red strings and all, but on relistening and reading the transcripts of the eps [ERROR] shows up in (mainly 10, 15, 21 and obvs the last couple), I don't think he (if we're assuming it's Jon) is malicious. If you've come from TMA, you know he can make dubious-to-bad choices and often comes off spooky to whoever he's getting a statement from, even before he died and came back. I'm not solid on the first interaction with Alice, it doesn't really fit the MO? But again, I'm going to go back over all the eps and see if I've forgotten another time he's had a statement in TMP, fairly sure I have forgotten a non-OIAR statement but I have work in like 6 hours, so quick and dirty this is.

Anyways, he straight up rescued Gwen from Ink5oul and possibly stook a claim over the OIAR? Ink5oul also seemed to know what was going on fairly quickly, so I think there's something going on with that. Sam... [ERROR] is clearly trying to figure something out about the Magnus Institute, so makes sense that he would pull it from Sam. Idk how many people are walking around London with that significant of an experience with the Magnus Institute, so even if he's trying to protect(?) them ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ also, fairly sure he's still got to eat, and the transcript literally said 'indulgently breathing'. That sure sounds like he's getting something out of the statements.

And this is really spit balling, but maybe [ERROR] is like the Archivist side of Jon, and the other is in the computer? (Yes, I will stick with this theory until the bitter end) Or it is Jon, and he's trying to find Martin? Idk. Gonna try and go over everything this weekend. I only just today clicked on the tape recorders showing up for [ERROR].

if [ERROR] ends up being Elias I'm going to riot tho

[hazel0159]

Everyone just assumes that the dual CATs are additive. So CAT 13 is just a case with both a CAT 1 thing and a CAT 3 thing. This is the simplest explanation, but I don’t think it makes sense. Out of the 5 dual CATs, I’d say only the ones in episodes 1 and 19 work. 

Episode 3 and 23 are similar, so why is only 23 given a dual CAT? Why not give episode 3 CAT 23 for the garden and the polyps? 

There is nothing at all in episodes 11 or 22 to suggest that the graveyard/telegraph are individually supernatural. Why do they get dual CATs?

Why don’t more cases have dual CATs? Episode 5 has the cashier and movie, 7 has the volunteers and donations, 8 has uncanny people, 16 and 20 have tattoos, 21 has the doppelganger, 25 has the chef and food, 28 has the skeleton monster, 30 has a bunch of random stuff. I feel like episode 29 deserves a dual CAT more than any of the episodes that actually get one.

Person/Place/Object works ok for the single CATs as long as you ignore the Klaus spreadsheet, but I’m convinced that the dual CATs are more complicated than people think. That being said, I have no idea what else they could mean. 

Also, bonzos-number-1-fan came up with a pretty convincing DPHW theory here:

Alright folks buckle up because I'm about to break down my entire theory for the TMAGP classification system before season 2 drops.

1. CAT - Category Many of you have probably seen my original post about the TMAGP categories being literally the most basic thing in the world and we all missed it, but in case you haven't, here's the gist! It's nouns. Is the source of the supernatural activity a person, place, or thing?

1 - Person

Zombie [Ep 1]

Needles [Ep 6]

Bonzo (x2) [Eps 10 & 12]

Snake Guy [Ep 14]

Hunt Aristocrats [Ep 15]

Ink5oul (x2) [Eps 16 & 20]

Talking Corpse [Ep 18]

Isaac Newton [Ep 19]

Not sure if this one is the scientist or the test subject but either way it's a person [Ep 22]

Coral Doppelganger [Ep 23]

Demon Baby [Ep 24]

Compelled Runner [Ep 26]

2 - Place

Garden [Ep 3]

Theater [Ep 5]

Hilltop (x3) [Eps 7, 17* & 30]

Liminal Building [Ep 8]

Cemetery [Ep 11]

Construction Site [Ep 21]

Restaurant [Ep 25]

Magnus Institute [Ep 28]

Tunnels [Ep 29]

*Episode 17 isn't confirmed to be at hilltop I don't think, but it is heavily hinted at so I'm going with it.

3 - Thing

Tattoo (x2) [Eps 2 & 11]

Murder Violin [Ep 4]

Dice [Ep 9]

Phone App [Ep 13]

"Fruit" [Ep 19]

Telegraph [Ep 22]

Coral [Ep 23]

Carriage [Ep 27]

I may be slightly off on some of these, but many of them are glaringly obvious. And each episode seems to fit, though some more cleanly than others. I'm open to suggestions on this, though.

2. R - Rank I posted about this just a day or two ago but I noticed when I was going back through that episode 30 had a rank of S instead of A, B, or C which seems a lot like it's a tier system, likely for danger levels. My best guess would be the ranks mean the following:

C - Low-Level Threat B - Mid-Level Threat A - High-Level Threat S - Extremely High-Level Threat [DNI]

If this is the case, any ranks that contain two letters are likely to mean that it's between those two levels. BC is Low-To-Mid-Level Threat, AB is Mid-To-High-Level Threat. This could also mean that in the cases where there are multiple supernatural elements, one of them is low and the other is mid, etc., but based on the way double numbers and double letters line up, I'm inclined to believe it's the first theory. Here is a list of all supernatural elements along with their rankings.

C - Low-Level Threat

Garden that turns people into trees [Ep 3]

Violin that needs blood to play well [Ep 4] *

Hilltop Charity Center [Ep 7]

Spooky tattoo in a cemetery that makes people drown themselves [Ep 11]

Portal from another dimension [Ep 17]

Talking corpse [Ep 18]

BC - Low-To-Mid-Level Threat

Zombie/reanimated corpse [Ep 1]

Tatoo that makes reality reflect a self-portrait [Ep 2]

Liminal building with uncanny cannibals [Ep 8]

Isaac Newton's fucked up crystal tree [Ep 19]

The Dome construction site [Ep 21]

Something about an experiment splitting a brain in two [Ep 22]

Coral that grows into a doppelganger if you shove it in your leg [Ep 23]

Demon baby [Ep 24]

Compelled runner guy [Ep 26]

B - Mid-Level Threat

Movie theater that Knows you [Ep 5]

Needles [Ep 6]

Dice that control fate [Ep 9]

Bonzo [Eps 10 & 12]

Gambling app where you can bet against your own life [Ep 13]

Snake guy [Ep 14]

Hunt aristocrats [Ep 15]

Ink5oul [Ep 16]

Restaurant where you can't stop eating disgusting food [Ep 25]

Carriage that eats people [Ep 27] *

Magnus Institute ritual [Ep 28]

Tunnels that drown you [Ep 29]

AB - Mid-To-High-Level Threat

Ink5oul [Ep 20]

A - High-Level Threat

[None in Season 1]

S - Extremely High-Level Threat [DNI]

Hilltop/Portal to another dimension [Ep 30]

*Some of these seem to be ranked lower than I think they should be, but they are much older cases so maybe time plays a factor in how dangerous they are considered to be.

While not everything is where I would put them, personally, I do think that overall they do seem to increase in threat level. I'm still not 100% sold on this, but it's what I'm running with for now until season two either confirms it or proves me wrong.

3. DPHW I'll admit it. I'm stumped on this one. I feel like this has to be a lot more arbitrary than the other two so it would be hard to reverse-engineer a filing system from it.

The only tiny morsel of a theory I could come up with is that each letter in DPHW stands for a word (duh) and that corresponds to the same number in the four-digit code. So for example, if a DPHW was 1947 it would be D=1, P=9, H=4, and W=7. Now what those letters stand for or what the numbers actually mean are completely lost on me.

If anyone has any good resources for how we could potentially figure this out, please let me know. But as of right now I think my theory is "It's a rather arbitrary sorting system that Alex and Jonny made up and we have little to no chance of decoding it without much more data."

That's it. That's the whole theory. It's not as wild and fantastical as we all hoped I don't think, but I think everything seems to check out. Let me know if you have any other theories, especially about the DPHW.

[wasphi2019stopshere]

TM | First Meeting | Thu, June 20th, 2019.

Weeks ago I have mentioned that I applied to reallocate to be Talent Manager for LC HCMC. My first hope for this change is that I would not suffer from culture shock when moving to a completely different culture: A function with 3 people including LCVP, while iGET used to have up to 21 members; A function with a high level of calmness and the communication speed is much lower than iGET which is famous for its loudness, aggressiveness, dynamic, critical, meanness and fast-thinking; operation flow - no more daily tasks, EPs, shits, partners,... Fortunately, everything was kinda okay and I felt very comfortable to discuss, brainstorm and connect with my leader and Molly - the only teammate (also a classmate). 

Today we talked about what we want for TM at the end of this term and what we want for our LC. Moreover, I presented my expected project: OCP Commission which focuses on boost productivity, educate and track Team Standard implementation, connect OCP together to create a strong network and base for LC HCMC. 

Yay! I appreciate that people listen to my input as a FO person. I shared what I was struggling and my consideration on what improvements should be taken. Most of them were about Newbies and TMP. 

Alright~ That’s the start of this impactful and purposeful step I have taken ^^!! Let's see what will challenge me on the journey ahead. 

[skittzdaskittle]

Introducing: Jonathah Martinbelle Magnimscanewood :D

I don't think it's just jon or just the JMJ trio, at least 3 of them died in the panopticon, and someone mentioned a hint of a female' s voice, so it makes sense that it's the 4 of them horribly amalgamated together :D

Btw, it's a bit hard to tell, but they're holding a tape recorder, which is honestly a great representation of their relationships with each other, and of course there's still spiders climbing on em

Also, the 4 of them together would absolutely have the tape recorders bite people lmao

I tried to make them seem foggy/misty and not having a solid form, but as you can see, i don't really have the skills to do that in a traditional drawing atm X'D

I also wanted to convey all 4 body types in this, the feminine form of Annabelle, the snatched waist of Jon, the bigger body type of Martin, and i guess the thinner body type Jonah!Elias in there too XD

I knew i wanted the caved in skull of Annabelle and tried to put in the throat scar of Jon, but realistically you probably wouldn't see it

Fun fact, if you add up the 6 collective eyes of Jon, Martin, and Jonah with the 8 eyes of Annabelle, you get the number 14, and with the eye broche, it's technically 15, which absolutely fits how underdeveloped the Extinction is in the Archives world

Bonus concept art: "mom, i frew up"

[blueboldandbright]

These are GREAT!!! I’d genuinely read a book illustrated like this ✨✨✨

The Magnus Protocol episodes 21 to 24. In the final stretch now.