#toh lore

[kristalldroppar]

Did people like, forget that you have to kill a selkidomus and a stonesleeper (sentient, conscious and feeling species) To make a grimwalker........?

Oh and you also need to acquire a galdorstone, which is a rare, powerful, magical,protected and ancient relic thats.... Guarded for a reason.

It's necromancy and cloning. The show made it hard to do because of its problematic nature and removing that literally takes away a part of why belos doing this is so wrong. (It's not only about him using his brother's corpse, but the importance of a sense of self, these people have to go through. Complex identity issues and probably feelings of being a copy of someone else, which necessarily doesn't need to be the case, but something the show itself, imo is trying to bring up plenty of times)

if it was easy, belos wouldn't go to such lengths to achieve it. He would simply have more grimwalkers than what he already had, (and he had a lot already. When harvesting the ingredients, he literally destroyed eco-systems, eating Palismen and harvesting the trees.)

The galdorstones themselves had to be protected because of their strong magical abilities being used for selfish reasons, and letting them be harvested and used by specific few, would for sure cause societal problems. It is also hinted (not specified) that the ones that exists today are those protected by the graveyard (which is a very old one and created for again, said reason above)

Ethical dilemmas indeed

[ryderdire]

Thinking about owl house lore again and gamers do we think the boiling isles had landmass before the titans died and it flooded or where they up to their ankle in water. It’s kinda implied the reason the sea is like that is coz of the archivests so ???? Was there a mass flood??? Are there dead titans to small to be land mass under the sea

[paryficama]

new stickers!! request new designs

[gakriele-lvs-blog]

Some consider Vee a slug, others a snake, and a good amount an amphibian (Axolotl) so, let me know which you prefer/believe is canon

[a-flaming-idiot]

The Boiling Isles don't have hotdogs. And when they find out about them existing in the Human Realm everyone thinks they're the grossest thing ever. Gus tried one for the experience and immediately vomited. Camila and Luz are beyond confused about why they can eat dragon liver but not a hotdog.

[thecryptidzenith]

Thinking about powerless witches in TOH. Like, for all the magicless characters in the show, for all of the reasons why they're powerless, none of them are born as powerless witches. In fact, it wouldn't be entirely unreasonable to assert that witches who are born powerless don't actually exist. The only confirmation of it is Hunter telling Luz a lie that Belos told him, and even Willow who was a late bloomer did eventually show incredible magical prowess.

But what if they do exist. What about the witches who could never go to school because you need to preform spells to get in. Witches who could still be considered wild witches despite being physically incapable of performing magic because no coven would have them. Witches thrown out of their houses as kids for not developing magic quickly enough, or even at all. What about the people who took 'low skill, low paying' jobs because those were the only ones that could be done without magic. Luz stumbles into the Boiling Isles thinking that it's a magical place, a safe haven from all her struggles. A place free from the racism and homophobia she would have inevitably experienced in the human realm. Luz projects a lot onto the Boiling Isles, I expect that little could shatter that image as much as knowing how much society hates people who are functionally the same as her. How much they hate people who don't have magic, and how she avoids it by virtue of being a human, by virtue of being exotic. Hell, what about a little human kid who fell through a puddle and didn't get picked up by Eda or by anyone for that matter. What about them?

If we want to go back farther--remember that there's no evidence that wild magic existed as a concept before Belos, and everything to suggest that he just made it up as a scapegoat. Before that, before people could actually buy the concept of wild magic, who would have supported Belos? What kind of witches would be interested in equality between them and magic users? Who would have had nothing to lose by supporting the restricting of magic that they never even had? Belos could have promised opportunity and greatness for powerless witches (or perhaps, magicless witches--for after this, they would not be powerless anymore) at a cost that they would never have to pay. Besides, the witches would only be limited to one kind of magic, they can't use any. It's just leveling the playing field. Once he had enough support and his rhetoric was legitimized, Belos switched gears, learning that it's better to have the people who can summon fireballs with a gesture on his side than those who can't. What happened to powerless witches then? How betrayed were they, and how did they fight Belos' targeting after that?

What about those few who managed to create something beautiful despite their lack of magic? Who managed to carve out a niche for themselves in an area which didn't involve magic? There's no evidence of mechanics schools on the Boiling Isles, and Alador's abomination contraptions are complicated mechanisms. Why would he have had any reason to learn mechanics when abomination magic was enough? Furthermore, who could he possibly learned mechanics from? Mechanics might have been disgraceful work when a powerless witch did it, but when Alador Blight (emphasis on the Blight) incorporated mechanics into abominations, he was hailed as an inventive genius.

Obviously, this is all the realm of headcanon. The effect of powerless witches and their place in the Boiling Isles goes unexplored in the show, and that's fine. TOH did what it set out to do, with significantly less time than it should have had to do it. TOH is a story about oppression in the broad and soft terms. It's about individuals who become powerless and their struggles which features a rebellion populated by only a few characters. The communities of the Boiling Isles, the covens themselves and Hexside and the implied powerless witches, are not the point. Their stories are not relevant to the story of TOH.

But it's interesting to think about, isn't it? To imagine how these systems and communities would have actually worked. TOH is chalked full of allegory, specifically allegory of marginalized groups (most specifically, queer groups.) Hell, the thesis of the first episode is 'we weirdos have to stick together.' It might as well be: 'we queers have to stick together.' Powerlessness is quite obviously a disability allegory, Eda's curse is treated like a chronic illness, etc. The scenarios presented above just get a little more specific with it.

I understand why they these ideas are ignored by canon. The Boiling Isles are magical, that's the whole point. How drab would it be to follow characters who don't participate in that magic, who may be actively resentful of it. You want your audience to relate to your characters (generally,) and the audience of a show about a girl falling into a magical world is going to want to see that magical world and the magical people who occupy it. A character who despises magic and society's reliance on it would be at odds with an audience who is enthralled by magic. The exploration of the specifics and complexities of oppression is superfluous to the story, so why include it beyond broad allegory?

Cause it's fun, is the obvious answer, but I suppose that's the fandom's job, isn't it?

Anyway. Thinking about powerless witches.

[missiva12]

Warning: Headcanon!

I share with you my latest works on the Owl House at the moment. Someday, maybe I'll get back to my plans and development, but for now, as is.

This character's name is Enmu.

She is one of the younger Archivists, whose fate at the moment is quite tragic. What happened to her was the beginning of the known war between the Collectors and the Titans, so to speak.

This drawing, or rather, what I have at the moment, namely a sketch, is one of such "murals" in history. Everyone knows about the existence of Titan hunters, but no one knows who started them, and how long the "species" of hunters in their sense has existed. They were the ones who helped the Archivists in the war. In search of weakened titans, which the Archivists themselves were unable to find, due to their inability to see through the veil of "signs" that hid the Titans from the mighty bloody eyes of the collectors, whose selfishness and self-confidence in their power - had no end. They always elevated themselves above earthly gods, and even more so mortal creatures, considering themselves the best. Although, they know that there are gods much stronger than them. But this did not interfere with their self-confidence. So, each of the Collectors paid for not only breaking their younger brother's trust in them, but also with their freedom. Although they were deprived of freedom and power, you cannot call them losers. There are no Titans left on this earth either. Only Enmu remained free, and without the possibility of getting up, she would be chained to dreams, deep in her mind, for ages. On the Boiling Islands, there are fairy tales for children that if you are not polite, Enmu will come to you - and show you the worst dream and fear of your life. After all, the residents were right.

[live-laugh-love-the-archivists]

I love the Archivists and Titan Lore so much that it's starting to turn into a hyperfixation 😨

[queer-here-and-in-fear]

prithee and well met! What may be your favorite aspect or subsystem of the Magical mechanics found within The Owl House?

hello friend!!! and the metaphors behind magic is so so important and so so well thought out it drives me mad. i am a girl who goes BATSHIT for metaphors and themes and this is becoming an essay. anyway have multiple paragraphs:

the way that covens are so arbitrarily grouped means everything to me. theres a plant coven but no fire or water? why is beast keeping called beast keeping and not just beast? and this isnt a critique. bc i will argue until i die that dana did this on purpose to show how fucking silly these type of grouping systems are (toh is a harry potter hate letter and the coven system is a capitalism metaphor are thing ill argue until i die.)

the way different covens are treated like job paths make me go!!! abomination is adored as the logical well paying job, bard and illusion is looked down upon as artistic/unrealistic paths, etc. there is so much about this that i think should be elaborated way more on in fanfics.

the lost arts behind wild magic means fucking everything to me. there is so much to be explored their. how did witches mix magic? how did they hide their mixing of magic? do you think it was passed down, from mother to daughter? did they have their own code words? i have so many hc's about this. it needs to be its own post later.

the logistics of learning each track, mostly headcanon but still. illusionists having to learn like artists, trying to fully understand the form of objects before creating them. healers having to learn like doctors, understanding every inch of the witch body to learn how to heal it so they can successfully worm their magic into the witch body. oracle witches having mandatory history classes so they know how each ghost from each era will behave. oracle witches also being spoon fed the most propaganda so they dont get any ideas after talking to some ghosts.

[snake-skinz]

One thing I'd love to see explored in Owl House fics is the Titans decomposition. We see in the show that the Titan is still decomposing and presumably will continue to do so. My question is- what will happen when it's too decomposed. Like would there be a Demon Realm equivalent to climate change where they're rushing to stop the Titans decomposition so that their island isn't destroyed? Is there even a way to do so? Do they accept their fate and simply mass migrate to find a new Titan to live on? PLEASE let me know if there's any fanfics about this kind of thing.

[blue-boxes-magic-and-tea]

i just like to think that flapjacks and waffles were carved at the same time, meant to be a pairing. that yeah flapjack was evelyn’s palisman that bonded a lot with caleb but what if waffles was caleb’s palisman, like what if caleb and evelyn had a special bonding experience carving waffles as a partner to flapjack so their palismen would never be lonely even if they passed away

and what if hunter found waffles all this time later and waffles bonded to him bc they recognized flapjacks spirit in hunter

and all through all of this, hunter still doesn’t know what flapjacks and waffles are

[crimeronan]

I have so many thoughts/questions/emotions about your Darius Lore. I love that Darius was essentially mentored not just by an individual but that individual’s entire found family/polycule. The fact that Darius lost all of them nearly all at once, completely helpless to do anything about it, and just had to continue on as if it hadn’t happened. As if he didn’t know what happened. For decades. And being the only one to know the truth and being constantly bombarded with the propaganda and lies that say otherwise. And if he gets himself killed, all that dies with him.

Also, just out of curiosity, GG started mentoring Darius around the end of high school (according to wwaitsoatl) so about 17ish? (Correct me if I’m wrong) About what age range was Darius when everything eventually came crumbling down? What about when he eventually rose to be a coven head? Does Eber know any part of this/ has intuited enough from their own experience and what they’ve they now know of Darius to have some idea (even if it might be somewhat incorrect?)

Apologies for the rambling lol

yeah the mentorship started when darius was 17 iirc -- or thereabouts. i'm Awful with concrete timelines. in keeping with being awful with concrete timelines, i THINK the story would span around 4ish years, but i don't have firm ages/times.

(i may already be contradicting my own canon here, i truly Do Not Remember)

you can assume that All The Awful Shit goes down when darius is 21 or 22ish. mentor is about 5 years older, so he'd be in his mid-to-late twenties when he died. same goes for daphne and cayden.

that leaves time for darius to find out about what's going on, meet the polycule/family and gain their trust, start n maintain his reckless experiments with magic, have all the shit go down with the palistrom groves, learn cayden's techniques for faking sigils.... there's a LOT that happens.

darius is already fairly highly ranking in the abomination coven before his mentor is murdered -- prev GG encouraged him to join the abomination coven rather than the emperor's coven, because the emperor's coven is a nightmare. (this was before darius knew anything about any of the shit happening behind the scenes.)

it's not long after his mentor's murder that the prior head of the abomination coven """voluntarily resigns""" and darius is "encouraged" to replace him. belos still doesn't trust him but also gramps LOVES to make people's lives miserable, bc he's a petty bitch. and bc he was almost certainly jealous of darius taking up so much of his mentor's attention.

so darius gets the lilith treatment. congrats on your prestigious position :) you're so powerful and competent :) You Live And Bleed And Die In Hell :)

eber Almost Certainly knows that darius's mentor was murdered, through intuition if nothing else. and he also knows what darius knows about faking sigils. darius doesn't talk about the specifics of his past or his grief, but he has shared his most useful tools for skirting empire regulations.

eber knows that darius must have learned that from Someone. and eber also knows that if that Someone was still alive, darius would have introduced them at some point.

[moxalotl0]

LOREE

some lore pages ive made on abomination magic and hexside school respectively!

[gakriele-lvs-blog]

Random headcanon #1: Galderstones origin

While we don't have any details about the nature of these magical gems, from their exact origin or significance, one could associate or compare them to a similarly rare and powerful resource... Titan's blood.

Titan's blood has been described as a substance of incomparable power, capable of literally ripping through the fabric of reality under the right circumstances. Yet, we have never seen the limits or other uses this resource possesses apart from portals and alternative sources of magic for potions and possibly spells too.

But both are rare, extremely so to the point the Emperor's coven is incapable of securing neither in a multiple-month time frame.

The point is... it is really a coincidence both are so similar? Yeah, Galderstones aren't said to be used to open portals to another dimension but who says it isn't possible? Maybe one is just remarkably weaker than the other as a result of losing its power thanks to the passing of time.

Like, when blood coagulates, Platelets and other nutrients from the blood accumulate against the wound to prevent inner and external bleeding, resulting in a mass of a thick gel-like substance that once fulfills its purpose, solidifies and falls apart...

Basically, Galderstones are coagulated and/or solidified Titan's blood that lost a portion of its original power as a result of the process they undergo to change from liquid to solid.

[golden-coven]

He a cold blooded guy,

Literally.

[astrolavas]

some grimwalker headcanons