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I don’t want Sansa to be jealous of D and feel heart wrenchingly tortured about her because of her love for Jon. I want Jon instead to be the jealous one because at least that boy had one great big romance prior. All Sansa’s had since the beginning has been men who take and take and take from her because they want to use her not because they care. Maybe it’s about time men fought for her favour and love and respect for once. 

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thinking about that bit in acok where arya talks about how the group of boys is afraid of going to a certain place because of ghost stories and how she thinks that's stupid because there won't be ghosts, but there will be knights and she daydreams about revealing herself and how knights always take care of ladies and they'll take her home. something something she and sansa aren't all that different. at their heart of hearts they're both little girls who want to go home.

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The ratings for each episode (season 1-8) :

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i mean i don't understand at all some of the "dany is going to fully abolish slavery in essos before moving onto westeros" stuff because. that takes years and a lot of oversight see: astapor falling into an absolute black maw of ruin after she sacks the city, steals its resources, and then makes them pinky promise not to do slavery again. its exactly the same with the yunkai, and even in meereen - there are a lot of barriers here to equality and freedom and someone who actually believes in this shit needs to be there keeping people in line otherwise it turns back to ruin. idk how anyone thinks she's going to establish true freedom in essos and then move onto westeros in ados. if there is true abolition in essos, its because she goes back to fix the problems she helped kick off. she's not fixing shit before she leaves for westeros.

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One day you will be more than the kind lord you were briefly.

You will be the Best King!

Bran doodle dump

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Yeah, Cersei wanted the throne which is Bad but I support her wanting to kill her husband (in the mysoginist world of Westeros).

How do you think Robert would have reacted to being confronted about his behavior towards Cersei? By like, a Tywin that actually cared about his daughter being abused.

So one of the biggest points of the books is that feudal society and the systems that comprise it are evil and pretty categorically unable to produce a Woke Tywin like you are describing. Robert is a violent delusional misogynist because he is a product of this society.

Women do not have rights in feudal westeros. Once you get married you belong to your husband. Domestic violence against your wife is considered common and acceptable. Especially if the king does it because the king has near-absolute power. If confronted I do not think Robert Baratheon would care for longer than a few hours and then might lash out after and nothing would change. He committed an act of violence westeros considers taboo (murdering royal infants) and experienced no consequences or real shaming for it because he is the king. Committing an act of violence Westeros does not consider taboo is even less impact.

I think the Tyrells probably had the right of it in that if you are putting a daughter in an unsafe marriage and you do not want this to happen to her you do just have to kill the king.

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it’s crazy how grrm wrote the first woke beauty and the beast where a hot guy falls in love with an ugly woman and people will bend over backwards still to say brienne is actually attractive. like no she’s not and it’s not more feminist to say she is 👍

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Which of my TOP 5 GOT straight ships would you choose?

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Condal may not be actively sexually harassing women because D&D's actions created the Intimate Coordinator post (I think it's the name) and put on the spotlight these issues, but what Condal & Co are doing to Olivia Cooke's image with their twisted idea of Alicent Hightower's problematic sexual life is Not Good.

*me every half an hour* just one more crosspost i swear

anyways the thing is almost everything condal has done wrong is a direct result of d&d botching the original show and also, can’t stress this enough, but those two evil dudes fired multiple actresses bc they didn’t want to take their top off on camera and subjected like 80% of the women on set to traumatizing & often vindictively written rape scenes. i think condal’s choices are honestly just as racist as d&d’s but he isn’t actively sexually harassing women on set so like, he’s objectively better!

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@daenerysstormreborn Not to randomly jump on every Jonerys post but as a mostly former Jonerys enjoyer it also was appealing to Dany fans because he simply existed as a decent and narratively important guy around her age and the show fueled it so much. Genuinely I do not think the ship would be particularly popular if not for the show because they literally have not met. You can find so many “foreshadowing” posts for jonerys but I don’t think many people would consider it romantic foreshadowing if not for the show. “Bride of fire means she’ll marry Jon” NO!! She became the bride of fire when she stepped into the funeral pyre! That is stated in the text! She was just being addressed as bride of fire!! Chewing on drywall bc being a Dany fan is DIFFICULT

SEVERAL THINGS and i apologize for getting a bit wankified and long winded here, pls know i have nothing but respect and love for you as a fellow “dany is the anakin” truther, as my man turner would say it’s all peace and love.

i think you could say "it wouldn't be so popular without the show" for a lot of ships to be honest (people memory hole it but Braime was actually Not that popular before they met on the show & then it exploded. Greysnow was much more popular and then Throbb really exploded, so much so that people pretend like Throbb doesn’t have basis in canon lmao). I can say - and obviously this is just My Own Experience, filtered through the memories of a pothead like 12 years later lol - that they were THEE dominant couple when I first got into the series, which was right around the end of s2 airing. They were everywhere and it was considered a given, basically confirmed, that they would be together in the end, because “George is a romantic at heart” and it’s “sweet.” It was at the time the accepted theory, the only "valid" theory, and anything else got you shouted down.

So pervasive that I basically checked out of the fandom for several years because I found it so obnoxious. Like THATS the sweet ending everyone wants? A rushed romantic arc between two characters who don’t even know the other exists yet, in the LAST book? And all this after a) Dany burns KL - because don’t let the stans convince you otherwise, Dany accidentally burning KL was ALSO the dominant theory before s8! - and potentially the water gardens and b) Tyrion probably convinced her to burn Casterly Rock as well and perhaps even does it HIMSELF on Viserion and c) Jon does NOTHING for the entirety of TWOW except hang out in Ghost. I just couldn’t stand it, couldn’t stand the idea that all of this was leading to Jon, Dany, & Tyrion having a VERY typical sort of fantasy ending together as the three heads and dying ESPECIALLY when this was usually accompanied by “well sansa won’t be ruling stark in winterfell bc Reasons” and “bran is staying in the cave and won’t have any sort of effect on the war unless he wargs a dragon.”

I credit this meta as bringing me back into the fandom for a reason, and it’s the main reason i’m so shitty about people being so hostile to Jonsa - it was Thee first theory I read in this fandom that made me EXCITED for the ending, that made me hope we’d get something besides some avengers endgame esque all the good guys come together to take out the monstrous others who have no nuance whatsoever and exist to be fantasy genocided (even though that’s Literally what he’s critiquing!!!). crazy that people ANALYZING THE TEXT instead of giving into the power fantasy idea of Super Special Heroes Die To Save The World that took over the fandom and left room for no discussion, are the ones that are considered the "trouble makers" here!!!!

AND SINCE IM IN THE MOOD, let’s talk about the "definitive proof" that jon & dany will fall in love-

bride of fire - has to mean she is going to marry all three men in the visions and not that she literally married the fire, something she literally thinks to herself and also a comparison made about both Robb and Asha to hammer the point home And Yet.

"A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness" - has to mean Jon will be the "sweet" romance, completely ignoring how often this series uses "sweet smelling" to mask POISON as a metaphor!!

"Off in the distance, a wolf howled. The sound made her feel sad and lonely, but no less hungry." - has to mean she and jon are longing for each other never mind the sound makes her feel SAD and LONELY and HUNGRY

"The light of the half-moon turned Vals honey-blond hair a pale silver and left her cheeks as white as snow. She took a deep breath. The air tastes sweet." - again, the sweet smelling thing but also Val's hair turns not just silver but AUBURN.

"Sometimes she would close her eyes and dream of him, but it was never Jorah Mormont she dreamed of; her lover was always younger and more comely, though his face remained a shifting shadow." - this is basically the only one I think that has a point!!!! I still think however it's more likely pointing to Euron especially when she has a second dream about being penetrated by an ice cold prick.

she is fire and he is ice - i mean that's just wrong. jon on his own is both fire and ice, he is the song, but even ignoring that it's been stated that the others are ice and the dragons are fire, with no and i mean no implication that the dragons are somehow the heroes to the villainous others And Yet.

^^all of that was pervasive in the fandom zeitgeist long before that excruciating boat sex scene. i mean hell you can look at the meta i linked and see some pretty old replies condescendingly dogpilling on the mere concept of someone besides quentyn/yg being the sun's son and the mummer's dragon, respectively. this long ass post to say - Discourse On Dany Has Always Been This Dumb, Unfortunately. i suppose i get the feeling of like, wanting dany to have a normal romance but a) that's just not her story!!!!!! why are we looking at a doomed villain protagonist and begging for a romance to ~redeem her!!! and b) this is why i've made the stydia, karedevil, and adoribull comparisons. there's just nothing in their personalities that leads me to believe they would be happy together. people will talk about them being two crazy kids in love but like - when? why? jon pretty directly rejects multiple women who have Violent Tendencies like dany and dany very firmly rejects quentyn who is very jon like in being both mid looking and not particularly concerned with the iron throne so much as he is with how his father sees him. doesn't feel like an indicator that these two would ever get along!! it's all heterosexuality and empty aesthetics!!!

After the show, it got worse not only because of the stan wars but also because you had this idea that like, Dany & Jon dying for the Long Night wasn't a good enough ending, no Dany has to live and has to restore the dynasty, that's the only acceptable ending, anything else is unsatisfying misogynistic slavery apologism (🙄).

But the first part, the people who feel it's a given they're going to fall in love and die to save the world - those people absolutely still exist (and they are deeply obnoxious To Me). and what's crazy is it's not like they have any more evidence than they did before! they have less evidence now!!

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Almost 9 years since the hug felt round the world stormed into my life and grabbed me by the throat 🥺

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Spot on about the love argument . People think power is a temptation for Sansa and that's why they come up with these half baked theories. The reason why she defied Ned was not power but love .

Like even with her brothers dropping dead , she never contemplates about how she will sweep the North with an army behind her back and claim her birthright . Even when she romanticizes Willas , her thought never hovers around how she will be the wife to one of the most politically powerful heirs in Westeros. Instead all she thinks is about barge and singers and romance. Her first crush was a third son without any inheritance.

Now coming to Jonsa, though Sansa will be on the denial train, I think she has to realise or atleast confess to herself some time later that she has fallen for him and this has to happen before the parentage is revealed in order to make that temptation of love very dark .

Very good points, anon.

Arya and Bran have both acted on their darker impulses, I don’t expect any different from Sansa.

Post being referenced: here

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You told me Lord Baelish sold you to the Boltons… And you trust him?

Did you bend the knee to save the North or because you love her?

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“A marriage...” Her throat tightened. She did not want to wed again, not now, perhaps not ever. — Alayne, AFFC.

And you guys think this girl will be happy if she has to marry her half-brother.

Yeah, the girl who dreams of love and marriage is hesitant about another political match to an undesired partner and disillusioned with her hopes for happiness. At the midway point of the novel series. Which has so far centered heavily around the idea od her marriage partners, her fertility, the potential inheritance of her children, her romantic ideals and attachments. One of which is a tragic romance between siblings. Snowflakes feel like "lovers kisses" while she rebuilds the home she longs for from Snow.

But yeah, totally, marriage and romance will definitely never play a role again in her plot and it could never involve someone who physically strongly resembles her two past crushes, and it could never ironically involve a parallel to the incest romance she has invoked for herself to emulate when she was still betrothed to a bastard prince.

Totally.

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@dailycerseilannister cersei appreciation week 2025: day 4 - favorite parallel ↳ Vaes Dothrak and The Great Sept of Baelor

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favorite character per show 17/∞: Game of Thrones → Jon Snow (Kit Harington)

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How does Sansa parallel Ned? I love Sansa being like Ned in personality, but what are the parallels?

I think with Sansa it’s easier to parallel her to Cat because of the obvious similar looks, just as Arya parallels Ned in looks. When it comes to personality, I think both girls parallel the opposite parent, people just tend to ignore it because a lot of people like Ned, but don’t like Sansa, and a lot of people like Arya, but don’t like Catelyn.

Sansa is like Ned in personality, especially when we first meet her. Ned is known as the most quiet, sensible of his three siblings. Brandon and Lyanna were certainly wild and Benjen seems to be kind of in between. Arya and Rickon are certainly wild, and Robb seems like Benjen, this is where I argue that Bran is also parallel to Ned, because Sansa and Bran are the two of the current Stark kids who are quiet, dutiful and sensible (not to say that the other three aren’t, but we see it more in those two). 

Ned wants to believe the best in people. He wants to believe in honour and things like that. He trusts LF, even when he tells him not to, because Ned, although he knows the world is a bad place, almost wants to pretend its not and believes the best in people. When we first see Sansa, she is very similar, she believes in the best in people. Look at her views on Joffrey. We know as an audience he’s a monster, but she doesn’t yet know and so she thinks of him as her golden prince, and thinks of Cersei as the perfect person. Now obviously Ned doesn’t have them opinions, but my point here is that they are very trusting, and want to believe that people are what they seem. Unfortunately for Sansa, she finds out the hard war. (IMO one of the reasons Sansa’s was never aware of how cruel the world is and Arya was aware, is because I see Ned as almost wanting to shield her, because she was kind of this innocent, delicate child)

Thirdly, their naivety in politics. By S7, Sansa is good at politics and has learned from the best how to play the game, but in the early days we see her naivety. Ned is very bad at politics, linking into the last paragraph because he believes honour will hold up. He confronts Cersei and that is his undoing. That is classic naivety, being too trusting that Cersei would protect her children and flee. It’s what Ned would do and so he wants to believe she would. Sansa is similarly naive when we first meet her, again linking into believing the best in everyone. It takes her a long time to get to the point where she can lie convincingly. And it’s clear that in the beginning, her abilities in politics is all Ned, because Cat is good at politics, Ned was not.

I think there are some more, but they’re not often highlighted. You have some ones like living in the Eyrie, betrayed by LF, even something as simple as being the second born. In the show’s final episodes, there were some lovely parallels where Sansa was sat by the weirwood as Ned was in episode 1. Sansa reassured Jon he’s a Stark, like Ned reassuring Catelyn she’s not an outsider, Sansa being the one to say ‘winter is here’ where Ned says ‘winter is coming’ and then of course in S7 we’ve got her saying his line about the pack survives. Ned and Sansa’s relationship is often downplayed so we don’t see the parallels clearly, but they really are there, and besides Bran, she is the most like him of his children in my opinion