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[anti-lily3]

YES!!!!1

Liek I want to know where Lily became the great grand justice carryign queen from. There's ZILCH

Meanwhile James doing all and more for the abused and letdown and the 'abnormal' and all

But no Lily befriended someone when she was 9 who also knew about magic tried amnipulatign him into not being dark and only truly had an issue with anything when he callled HER Mudbloob bc b4 that she was making excuses to her 'friends'

Also adding that she didn''t really care about them pickign on Snape bc she does chuckle when they put him upside down AND she is only to happy and ready to leave. I've broken ties and friendship and this is not how it goes at all. You don't j magically realise that yes this aint gon last and then go. She j chose the simplist way to cut it off while looking like a not entitled person (and failed bc I see what you r doing Evans)

As to what to do you talk to me I agree X1000

every time i read a fic where lily evans is upheld as a paragon of justice and the underdogs and the vulnerable, i die a little inside

bc,,,,are we talking ab the same gal who kept defending snape for atleast five years of hogwarts and however many before that? who overlooked his bigoted actions, even when others called it/her out on it?

ugh

(now james, on the other hand? we have such clear evidence that he fits this archetype but ofc that’s overlooked isn’t it. gonna shut up here but will take the rant into the tags)

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Severus notices.

Severus: lily, the fact that you have been my friend and I have been blind all the time does not mean that you are a good person, the fact that you scold me for saying mudblood and say that everyone who is like you makes you a hypocrite , since when I say it to another person it is good but if I say it to you it is wrong, let's not forget that you left me vulnerable in my worst memory and you humiliated me and even so you think you are the victim it makes you look like a worse person.

Lily:......

Severus: You also hung out with James Potter which makes you even more of a hypocrite.

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Lily Evans Analysis: Why I hate her

@hedgehog-troops you were asking for an elaboration, and I wanted to make this for a really long time, so here it is.

Let's do this timeline wise, from what occurred first (and I will mention what I makes me angry at her in each part):

“Lily, don’t do it!” shrieked the elder of the two. But the girl had let go of the swing at the very height of its arc and flown into the air, quite literally flown, launched herself skyward with a great shout of laughter, and instead of crumpling on the playground asphalt, she soared like a trapeze artist through the air, staying up far too long, landing far too lightly. “Mummy told you not to!” Petunia stopped her swing by dragging the heels of her sandals on the ground, making a crunching, grinding sound, then leapt up, hands on hips. “Mummy said you weren’t allowed, Lily!

In Prince's Tale, we see that 9 y/o Lily ignores her sister and plays rather recklessly. A lot of people Petunia being jealous of Lily, full stop. But that is not what happens. Petunia mentions 'mummy told you not to,' this is not Petunia jealous of Lily, this is Petunia telling Lily to not disobey their mother and not be dangerous. Petunia isn't straight up anti-Lily's strange abilities. Petunia is simply telling Lily not to do what they are not allowed to do.

'“It’s not right,” said Petunia, but her eyes had followed the flower’s flight to the ground and lingered upon it. “How do you do it?” she added, and there was definite longing in her voice.'

She is curious, and a bit jealous, yes, but she also wants knows their mother disapproves. And that it's not natural, which it isn't.

“You are,” said Snape to Lily. “You are a witch. I’ve been watching you for a while. But there’s nothing wrong with that. My mum’s one, and I’m a wizard.” Petunia’s laugh was like cold water. “Wizard!” she shrieked, her courage returned now that she had recovered from the shock of his unexpected appearance. “I know who you are. You’re that Snape boy! They live down Spinner’s End by the river,” she told Lily, and it was evident from her tone that she considered the address a poor recommendation. “Why have you been spying on us?” “Haven’t been spying,” said Snape, hot and uncomfortable and dirty-haired in the bright sunlight. “Wouldn’t spy on you, anyway,” he added spitefully, “you’re a Muggle.” Though Petunia evidently did not understand the word, she could hardly mistake the tone. “Lily, come on, we’re leaving!” she said shrilly. Lily obeyed her sister at once, glaring at Snape as she left.

And then we see the two of them meet Snape for the first time. Snape who has been spying on Lily by that point. He even admits that. He comes from the bushes, and Petunia understandably gets scared by this boy who appears from the bushes and inserts himself into the conversation. When he mentions magic, Petunia immediately recognises him and that he is spying on them, we see Snape quite spitefully call her a muggle (showing how he is anti muggle before school even starts-- I wonder why Lily hung out with someone who clearly disliked her family)

The next scene we see that she has clearly decided to befriend this boy who was spying on him and has also insulted her sister. We also know that she ignores out the fact that he had been spying on them. Ignores, and not doesn't realise, bc he's already told her that on their first enconter. It's also clear by now that they've been hanging out for a while, despite the fact that Petunia doesn't like him.

And yes Petunia is spying on them, and insults him, but we see that they clearly don't like each other-- and this is also clearly not the first time Lily and Snape hung out.

And then there's the train scene.

Petunia calls Lily a freak, and we all reading it dislike Petunia, but Petunia was jealous in that scene. Lily does love Petunia, we see her leave Snape when he hurts her and even cry when she is called a freak, but the wedge b/w them grows when she returns to Snape again and again and does things such as letting Snape in Petunias' room to go through her things.

“No—not sneaking—” Now Lily was on the defensive. “Severus saw the envelope, and he couldn’t believe a Muggle could have contacted Hogwarts, that’s all! He says there must be wizards working undercover in the postal service who take care of—” “Apparently wizards poke their noses in everywhere!” said Petunia, now as pale as she had been flushed. “Freak!” she spat at her sister, and she flounced off to where her parents stood...

Petunia starts out quite mean, but that's bc Lily is leaving and she's sad at that. At the fact the she can't go. But then there's the fact that Lily lets Snape into ther room and they go through her things. Lil's defensive attitude just proves that she knows it's wrong, but did so anyway bc Snape was curious. We also know that by now Lily spends a lot of time with Snape, so she and Petunia clearly aren't that close anymore, which is purely because Lily chose to hang out with Snape (who again is openly admitting to having spied on her, watches her with greed in a rather creepy way and has also insulted muggles/ Petunia openly)

We also know that they are clearly fighting about something b4 Petunia calls her 'freak'. Perhaps Petunia wants her sister to stay but Lily refuses, we aren't given the reason for the fight. But Lily was wrong to got through Petunia's things, and honestly I understand why she reacted so strongly to that.

We see the them on the train next. James and Sirius start their own conversation:

“Who wants to be in Slytherin? I think I’d leave, wouldn’t you?” James asked the boy lounging on the seats opposite him, and with a jolt, Harry realized that it was Sirius. Sirius did not smile.

She lets Snape insult them ' “If you’d rather be brawny than brainy—”' but quickly sits up and decides to leave after Sirius decides to clap back:

“Where’re you hoping to go, seeing as you’re neither?” interjected Sirius. James roared with laughter. Lily sat up, rather flushed, and looked from James to Sirius in dislike'

It's all about whether or not her friend was insulted to her, which makes sense ig, people have often aren't bothered by their friends insulting others. We do see that she gets bothered by insults towards Petunia, while also not being awfully nice to Petunia herself (so there's hypocrisy at play).

Then we see her fight with Snape.

“. . . thought we were supposed to be friends?” Snape was saying, “Best friends?” “We are, Sev, but I don’t like some of the people you’re hanging round with! I’m sorry, but I detest Avery and Mulciber! Mulciber! What do you see in him, Sev, he’s creepy! D’you know what he tried to do to Mary MacDonald the other day?” Lily had reached a pillar and leaned against it, looking up into the thin, sallow face. “That was nothing,” said Snape. “It was a laugh, that’s all—” “It was Dark Magic, and if you think that’s funny—”

Now here is 5th year Lily and Snape, after the Prank and after Mary MacDonald incident. We aren't told exactly what it was, a lot of people think that he tried to rape her, he's good a the imperious curse so it's likely that he could have tried that. But nonetheless, Lily finds it evil, and doesn't approve of their friendship. They remain friends for some more time though, so clearly thinking that he hangs around with evil people isn't that concerning for her.

There is also something else in the following lines of this same conversation:

“What about the stuff Potter and his mates get up to?” demanded Snape. His color rose again as he said it, unable, it seemed, to hold in his resentment. “What’s Potter got to do with anything?” said Lily. “They sneak out at night. There’s something weird about that Lupin. Where does he keep going?” “He’s ill,” said Lily. “They say he’s ill—” “Every month at the full moon?” said Snape. “I know your theory,” said Lily, and she sounded cold. “Why are you so obsessed with them anyway? Why do you care what they’re doing at night?” “I’m just trying to show you they’re not as wonderful as everyone seems to think they are.” The intensity of his gaze made her blush. “They don’t use Dark Magic, though.” She dropped her voice. “And you’re being really ungrateful. I heard what happened the other night. You went sneaking down that tunnel by the Whomping Willow, and James Potter saved you from whatever’s down there—” Snape’s whole face contorted and he spluttered, “Saved? Saved? You think he was playing the hero? He was saving his neck and his friends’ too! You’re not going to—I won’t let you—” “Let me? Let me?” Lily’s bright green eyes were slits. Snape backtracked at once. “I didn’t mean—I just don’t want to see you made a fool of—He fancies you, James Potter fancies you!” The words seemed wrenched from him against his will. “And he’s not. . . everyone thinks. . . big Quidditch hero—” Snape’s bitterness and dislike were rendering him incoherent, and Lily’s eyebrows were traveling farther and farther up her forehead. “I know James Potter’s an arrogant toerag,” she said, cutting across Snape. “I don’t need you to tell me that. But Mulciber’s and Avery’s idea of humor is just evil. Evil, Sev. I don’t understand how you can be friends with them.” Harry doubted that Snape had even heard her strictures on Mulciber and Avery. The moment she had insulted James Potter, his whole body had relaxed, and as they walked away there was a new spring in Snape’s step...

We see Snape try to make Lily focus on something else as soon as she shows disaproval of him, so clearly their friendship is quiet broken by then. He bring James and his friends up, and Lily is not only confused on why they're being brought up but also angry at the theory Snape has.

Lily doesn't understand why Snape is so bothered with the Marauders. I think this is rather important to recognise. If someone is getting bullied, they'd want all the upper hand on said bullied, but clearly Lily doesn't think Snape needs an upper-hand. Lily doesn't think the rivalry (I don't think it is bully-victim) is intense enough for Snape to be so obsessed (I can't describe it as much else, especially with how his poking of his nose where it doesn't belong lead James to having to save him), which tells me that Lily could defend him as much as possible, but she doesn't approve of his sneaking about and fighting with them. Also, she herself calls him obsessed, so she probably thinks he's unreasonable, to some extent.

Snape also says that he's trying to show her that they're not as great as everyone thinks they are. Which means that it's possible that she doesn't hate him as much as we are lead to believe.

She also ends up defending them, or more specifically telling Snape that they aren't as bad as Mulciber and also telling Snape that he owes James one, which I do see as both defending herself and as a manipulation tactic. Defending herself, because this is clearly not the first time James and his mates have been discussed, and clearly she doesn't like him, but she doesn't hate him that much. This is also imo a manipulation tactic as she says that Snape was saved by James (which he was) and that they don't use dark magic, which as Muliciber and Avery did, The Marauders were better than them.

This immediately gets Snape quite worked up. And while he doesn't focus on how she has called them better than Snape's friends, it is something Lily mentions because he tries to convince her that his friends aren't all that bad, and Lily points out that they are worse, in her opinion, that the people he loathes most.

Snape tries to convince her, yet again, that James was not a hero bc her 'was trying to save his and his friends necks' too'. I don't see how this was supposed to have Lily favour him, bc that is still playing hero, but nonetheless, in his mind she's not allowed to think he was saved by James. He goes on quiet a rant, even mentioning James fancied her (AKA it was likely not made of such a big show as often as people would like to believe) is trying to get her to hate James (I don't think she hated him, just that she disliked him).

When Lily calls James a toerag, she follows immediately with 'But Mulciber’s and Avery’s idea of humor is just evil. Evil, Sev. I don’t understand how you can be friends with them.' The point of calling him that had been less because she wanted to remind Snape that she thought that too and more in hopes that he would hear her true point, AKA his friends are evil. This is clear-cut manipulation, which only fails because Snape doesn't seem to hear it, and even if he does he does not plan on stopping his friendship with them anyway-- as he has the same principals as them.

Also, another point is that despite how strongly he feels about the Prank, Lily praises James in hopes of getting her point heard, making him feel wrong/as if he owes James something and at no point is she bothered by the fact that he could have seriously been hurt. We don't know the exact timeframe b/w the Prank and this convo, but she has heard about the Prank from other people, and she hasn't asked/isn't bothered /doesn't believe Snape's version/thoughts on the matter. It's likely that she hasn't even asked him if he was alright and that they hadn't dicussed it much before this convo. She's more intersted in him listening to what she thinks about Muliciber and Avery, what Muliciber nearly did to Mary and who Snape should be frineds with.

Now, for SWM, I'll go straight to the point where Lily appears.

“Leave him ALONE!” James and Sirius looked around. James’s free hand jumped to his hair again. It was one of the girls from the lake edge. She had thick, dark red hair that fell to her shoulders and startlingly green almond-shaped eyes — Harry’s eyes. Harry’s mother . . . “All right, Evans?” said James, and the tone of his voice was suddenly pleasant, deeper, more mature. “Leave him alone,” Lily repeated. She was looking at James with every sign of great dislike. “What’s he done to you?” “Well,” said James, appearing to deliberate the point, “it’s more the fact that he exists, if you know what I mean. . . .” Many of the surrounding watchers laughed, Sirius and Wormtail included, but Lupin, still apparently intent on his book, didn’t, and neither did Lily. “You think you’re funny,” she said coldly. “But you’re just an arrogant, bullying toerag, Potter. Leave him alone.” “I will if you go out with me, Evans,” said James quickly. “Go on... Go out with me, and I’ll never lay a wand on old Snivelly again.” Behind him, the Impediment Jinx was wearing off. Snape was beginning to inch toward his fallen wand, spitting out soapsuds as he crawled. “I wouldn’t go out with you if it was a choice between you and the giant squid,” said Lily.

Lily is defending Snape and standing her ground in this scene, which is just wonderful (if a bit contradictory to how she meant the praise/how he saved Snape more than him being an arrogant toerag in the earlier scene). She clearly had no issue with him getting hit, which makes some sense, ig, there is something a bit wrong with her reactions in the scene though:

James whirled about; a second flash of light later, Snape was hanging upside down in the air, his robes falling over his head to reveal skinny, pallid legs and a pair of graying underpants. Many people in the small crowd watching cheered. Sirius, James, and Wormtail roared with laughter. Lily, whose furious expression had twitched for an instant as though she was going to smile, said, “Let him down!” “Certainly,” said James and he jerked his wand upward. Snape fell into a crumpled heap on the ground. Disentangling himself from his robes, he got quickly to his feet, wand up, but Sirius said, Petrificus Totalus!” and Snape keeled over again at once, rigid as a board. “LEAVE HIM ALONE!” Lily shouted. She had her own wand out now. James and Sirius eyed it warily. “Ah, Evans, don’t make me hex you,” said James earnestly. “Take the curse off him, then!”

'Lily, whose furious expression had twitched for an instant as though she was going to smile'

She does regain herself, of course, and gets all angry with her wand out and whatnot, but she smiled when Snape was hung upside down. She SMILED when Snape was held UPSIDEDOWN.

True friend indeed, right?

There's more too:

“I don’t need help from filthy little Mudbloods like her!” Lily blinked. “Fine,” she said coolly. “I won’t bother in future. And I’d wash your pants if I were you, Snivellus.” “Apologize to Evans!” James roared at Snape, his wand pointed threateningly at him. “I don’t want you to make him apologize,” Lily shouted, rounding on James. “You’re as bad as he is. . . .” “What?” yelped James. “I’d NEVER call you a — you-know-what!” “Messing up your hair because you think it looks cool to look like you’ve just got off your broomstick, showing off with that stupid Snitch, walking down corridors and hexing anyone who annoys you just because you can — I’m surprised your broomstick can get off the ground with that fat head on it. You make me SICK.” She turned on her heel and hurried away. “Evans!” James shouted after her, “Hey, EVANS!” But she didn’t look back.

When Snape calls her 'Mudblood', she literally just needs one blink before not only not caring about him anymore, but proper insulting him. And, I understand why she wanted nothing to do with him, but one blink and you go from 'LEAVE HIM ALONE' to 'WASH YOUR PANTS SNIVILLUS' That's far too fast.

For someone who stuck with him despite him hating Muggles and her sister and has friends who are, in her own words evil, she sure ditched awfully quickly.

People have said all kinds of things about this 'it took time for her to realise he was far gone' nah girl if it did she wouldn't have recated so coolly. She proabably was happy to have found a way out, she didn't just realise that he was bad, she's known that the whole time but waited until this to throw him out off her life.

She doesn't feel angry or sad that he did that, she genuinly wasn't bothered. She didn't want anyone to make him apologise, and she didn't want his apology either-- she just wants him out of her way.

A lot of people also say that Snape did the worst thing possible, damaging their friendship beyond repair. Here's the thing. There wasn't much to destroy/damage. She calls James as bad as Snape, and then goes: '“Messing up your hair because you think it looks cool to look like you’ve just got off your broomstick, showing off with that stupid Snitch, walking down corridors and hexing anyone who annoys you just because you can — I’m surprised your broomstick can get off the ground with that fat head on it. You make me SICK.”'

She is very unbothered by being called a Mudblood by her supposed best friend, responds very coolly and insults him, and then compares that to James ruffling his hair, playing with a snitch and having an ego?

Yah, definetely makes sense, she was just soo hurt she called him the very word that his enemy called him and then thought it compared to said enemy's ego. That's why she was so cool about it. So unbothered.

Also, this is not the first time Snape calls someone the term Mudblood, and Lily knows this:

"I’m sorry.” “I’m not interested.” “I’m sorry!” “Save your breath.” It was nighttime. Lily, who was wearing a dressing gown, stood with her arms folded in front of the portrait of the Fat Lady, at the entrance to Gryffindor Tower. “I only came out because Mary told me you were threatening to sleep here.” “I was. I would have done. I never meant to call you Mudblood, it just—” “Slipped out?” There was no pity in Lily’s voice. “It’s too late. I’ve made excuses for you for years. None of my friends can understand why I even talk to you. You and your precious little Death Eater friends—you see, you don’t even deny it! You don’t even deny that’s what you’re all aiming to be! You can’t wait to join You-Know-Who, can you?” He opened his mouth, but closed it without speaking. “I can’t pretend anymore. You’ve chosen your way, I’ve chosen mine.” “No—listen, I didn’t mean—” “—to call me Mudblood? But you call everyone of my birth Mudblood, Severus. Why should I be any different?” He struggled on the verge of speech, but with a contemptuous look she turned and climbed back through the portrait hole...

She isn't interested with his apology, which makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is how she is so alright after losing the friendship she had since, lets see 15-9, 6 years.

She also is alright, absolutely fine, only talking to him because he threatened to sleep out there.

She'd been 'making excuses for years'. She's known for years. She even elaborates on what she knows 'you and your precious little Death Eater friends—you see, you don’t even deny it! You don’t even deny that’s what you’re all aiming to be! You can’t wait to join You-Know-Who, can you?'

She also says that she 'can't pretend anymore' and she finishes with 'But you call everyone of my birth Mudblood, Severus. Why should I be any different?'

It's not like she didn't know. She genuinely didn't care. She'd been pretending it wasn't there. She had been making excuses.

This doesn't really affect her properly, in the way it should because she's known all along.

She only stops the friendship when he called her the word, just proving her 'holier than thou', entitled hypocritical self.

And then lets point out how a few months after ending her friendship with Snape, she befriends James. And then she starts dating him.

With this, I'll conclude:

Lily Evans is a bad sister

Lily Evans is a bad friend

Lily Evans is a hypocrite

Lily Evans is entitled

Lily has a 'holier than thou' attitude

Lily Evans is arrogant and egotistical

Also, I'd like to point out some other things that makes me hate Lily: Everyone loving her and making her the pedestal for goodness. She was not. She is flawed, hypocritical and entitled, and concieted. Also, Harry did not yearn for a mother figure, he yearned for a father figure. People keep on getting this wrong. And she wasn't perfect. Petunia also wasn't the only reason for the wedge b/w the sisters. And James wasn't the 'lucky one'. and James wasn't the reason Lily and Snape's friendship ended. (basically, I hate Lily bc of the way fandom hates her, and bc of the canonical things talked above. As Sirius says, 'reading b/w the lines')

@lostwriter--xx3 if you want to add anymore points. Or anyone who wants to add more points, really.

[anti-lily3]

I don't like Lily Evans, and this is my anti Lily blog😁

Yes, like Harry Potter's mother Lily Evans, the ex-best friend of Snape, the sister of Petunia, the one who died at 21, the wife of James Prongs Potter. Lily Evans.

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