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I have had an absolutely terrible idea. Normally something like this would've been let put on Q but that place shit itself so I'm posting here instead

A Danganronpa style killing game, but the characters are killers from Dead by Daylight. There's enough for 2 of these killing games without overlapping characters and then some leftover.

The Entity could represent itself as some sort of spider varient of Monokuma, or it could be Zzl from the Anniversary Masquerade. She's kinda got Junko vibes.

Each killer has their memories reset so they may believe they're a normal person, or as close to as can be reasonably expected. Their ultimate titles are just their killer titles, which would serve as hints to their true nature. Killers with supernatural abilities wouldn't be aware of them until discovering them over the course of the game. Time displaced killers may simply believe they have some sort of heavier amnesia until discovering more about themselves through the game.

Entity magic would also be in play so they understand eachother, since there's no feasible way every killer shares a language when they're as diverse as they are.

As an example, let's say we have our 1st game with the 1st 16 killers: Trapper, Wraith, Hillbilly, Nurse, Shape, Hag, Doctor, Huntress, Cannibal, Nightmare, Pig, Clown, Spirit, Legion, Plague, and Ghostface. A lot of these killers are from different decades in the 1900s, so 90s or early 2000s setting would probably be fine.

Adiris (Plague) being heavily time displaced on account of being an ancient sumarian priestess from the dawn of recorded history, would suffer the most severe case of memory reset by a significant margin.

Then there's Frank (Legion), a unique case where the Entity, or Zzl, or whatever, would have all 4 members fused into a single body that they would uncover over the course of the game similar to uncovering powers. This could let them do some stuff that's only really advantageous in a killing game like this, where they let Susie or Julie take the wheel to access girl only areas or swap away from Frank to confuse stuff like fingerprints or silhouette.

Besides them, Anna (Huntress) notably doesn't have a last name and lived in isolation in the woods all her life, so she might appear to suffer similar amnesia to Adiris, or Adiris might be thought to have come from an isolated life similar to Anna's.

Besides Philip (Wraith) having a magic bell, the only other factor are that Sally (Nurse), Lisa (Hag), Herman (Doctor), Freddy (Nightmare), Rin (Spirit), and Adiris would be discovering their powers over the course of the game. Technically Michael (Shape) has supernatrual abilities as well, and it could be argued that Max (Hillbilly) was granted some for of running enhancement, but neither of these are obviously supernatural the same way the others' are.

Where this would really start to break down is doing the next 16 killers for game 2: Demogorgon, Oni, Deathslinger, Executioner, Blight, Twins, Trickster, Nemesis, Cenobite, Artist, Onryo, Dredge, Mastermind, Knight, Skull Merchant, and Singularity.

Of course there's a lot more time displacement going on with Kazan (Oni), Caleb (Deathslinger), and Talbot (Blight) all being from the 1800s, Charlotte & Victor (Twins) from the 1700s, Tarhos (Knight) from the 1300s, and Hux (Singularity) being from 300 years into the future. These characters would have the same 'amnesia' issues as Adiris, with Hux maybe having data and dates corrupted to accommodate him.

The biggest issue with this group of killers is that some of them were never people. Sure, Pyramid Head (Executioner), appears human and is physically manifested from human psychology, and Nemesis is biologically human, but then we have the Demogorgon, a psychic alien animal from another dimension, and the Druanee (Dredge), a psychic manifestation of the misery of a cult pushed to the brink. Maybe Dredge could take on a personality representative of the ideals of the Garden of Joy twisted into its current state, but for Demo the best way to include it I think would be to give it the personality of a dog.

Then of course there'd be Albert as the Ultimate Mastermind. That'd be a pretty loaded title for a killing game based on Danganronpa. Could make some fun character interactions.

After them we have some leftovers who'd probably start the 3rd killing game. Xenomorph is another inhuman animalistic character along the lines of Demogorgon, Good Guy would be easy enough, Unknown you'd think would suffer a similar problem to Dredge but Unknown actually has enough personality on its own I think it works, and then Lich...there's no fitting Lich into a timeline, he's from D&D, an entirely different world from any version of earth, so he'd probably suffer as much if not more amnesia than time displaced killers. We know Castlevania is coming next with presumably Dracula as the killer, don't know his title, but he works for killing game purposes.

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I remember this arc in Pact. Null.

Escape the Pain Dimension.

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Update because I think now is the perfect time for it. Pale’s final chapter of the main story has been released and all that’s left are the epilogues. For future reference, this was written after Finish Off.7 came out but before the first of however many epilogues did. That’s relevant because I have new thoughts on the Kennet Witches classpects to add after I do Victoria. So, Victoria’s classpect. I did relisten to some early We Got Ward but a lot of stuff is going on in my life and I don’t have the time to do it consistently so instead I’m referencing Ridtom’s “Tips for Writing Victoria Dallon” post on r/WormFanfic. Here’s a link if you’re interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/WormFanfic/comments/jxecrn/tips_for_writing_victoria_dallon_by_ridtom/ Remember when I previously mentioned Victoria gave off the vibes of a Light player? I do believe I was on the money with that one. Ridtom quoted Wildbow in saying Victoria is “a woman with more appreciation for gathering information than there is from the usual person”. Besides that, Ridtom also described her core Self that’s consistant across Worm and Ward as obsessing over capes, taking unneeded college courses, buying magazines, manuals, and other books about them, and even prodding some capes themselves about their lives, which I might add is pretty similar to how in Homestuck the 3 existing Light players all seem to have a singular obsession they channel their aspect through, that being psychology for Rose, luck for Vriska, and stories for Aranea. Victoria’s equivalent is parahuman science. In addition, she’s also not a fan of being ignored or looked down on, much like how Homestuck’s Light players tended to draw in a spotlight and end up flashy in one way or another. The fact that she originates from a team of superheroes who don’t have secret identities and allow the public to know who they are also kind of vibes with her being Light, although likely would have more to do with her having other family members who are also Light-coded and I’m not her to classpect them. If remember right, Victoria also had a technique she would use in Ward, her “Thinker 0″ technique, where she’d fly up above a battlefield to re-assess what’s going on and get more information than she could in the thick of it. So Victoria’s a Light player. What about her class? I think Victoria’s a Knight. Whatever you might think a Knight is and does in Sburb, I think it’s all too clear that’s what she is. She’s a warrior trained from childhood to fight crime and she continues to do so all the way until the end of Ward. Moreover, much like Lucy, I struggle to see what else she could be out of known classes. While information and facts are important to her, she’s not a scientist trying to find the secrets of what can be known, she just wants to know what’s already known. That rules out Mage or Seer. I don’t think anyone is going to argue she could be a Thief or Rogue, nor a Prince or Bard. While there’s likely arguments she could be an Heir being the child of superhero parents who later became a hero herself, I don’t really see that as all that important to her story or character. I can’t really see any argument for Victoria being a Witch, Maid, or Sylph either, and given she was Glory Girl as a teenager, one of the stronger Brockton Bay heroes back in the day, I don’t think she was ever so weak at any point that she needed to reach some hidden potential the way a Page does. Finally, there’s also the deal that Victoria had somewhat of a policemen mentality during Ward, or at least was interpreted that way by some commenters I’ve read since. So there we go, Victoria is a Knight of Light. But I’m not done. I mentioned I have new thoughts. These were partially brought on by someone commenting their own thoughts for the Kennet Witch’s classpects on the original post I made, and partially brought on by how the Crucible went in the last few chapters. Said commenter was someone named “aspecsyzygy” for anyone curious. I’d link the blog but I’m a bit too lazy to do that now. I might come back and do that in an edit. Apologizes in the meantime. I’ll call them AS for short. Firstly, Lucy. Originally I thought of her as a Knight but was undecided on whether that should be a Knight of Hope or a Knight of Rage. Later I reevaluated her as a Page of Hope, citing that Pages often start out with little to none of their aspect. Thinking it over after the Crucible, I’m back to thinking she’s a Knight, as calling her a Page makes her sound like she started out a lot weaker than Avery or Verona were when the only real argument for that was that she took the longest of them to solidify the sort of practice she was interested in. And of course, Lucy is somewhat similar to a cop or lawyer in how she operates, if an idealized one, landing her a few similar reasons for being a Knight as Victoria. However, I have settled on her aspect as a Knight: Rage. She sees the worst parts of the world and gets pissed at them, fighting tooth and nail to right whatever’s wrong wherever she can. AS mentioned that with her ties to the Winter Court, work with curses, her desire to be “bulletproof”, and her danger detecting Sight may make her Doom related as a Rogue of Doom who “steals the Doom from that which ought not to be doomed and redistributes it to wrongdoers”. Given the seeing the bad and fighting against it, I can see why that could be interpreted that as Doom, but the way I see it Doom implies a sort of resignation. For however much you might not like it, it cannot be changed. Rage on the other hand sees what Doom sees and tells it to fuck off. Additionally, in one of the Crucible chapters, Lucy had this paragraph “Racists will always try to find a way of avoiding recognizing there’s a problem.  But what I’m saying, this isn’t about them.  I’m thinking… what do you do?  What do you do, when, after decades, generations of seeing something happen, saying it’s happening, being ignored, you get irrefutable proof… witnesses, and nothing comes of it?  One more point in a society-wide pattern that only racists will deny exists, but nobody does anything about?  You get mad.  You have to get mad.” Which is what really tipped me over into seeing her as Rage.  Secondly, Avery. Originally I had pegged her as a Maid of Blood on account of her association with relationships and connections, an “embodiment of networking” so to speak. AS instead suggested she was much closer to a Breath player. Fair enough. She does have travel, speed, and mobility as goals and pieces of her toolkit, and the Paths are sort of like the ultimate expression of Breath that isn’t just a wind dimension like D&D’s Air Plane. She even has a similar air-headedness to her as John and Tavros had in Homestuck. That and Avery’s Crucible chapter also really emphasized how important freedom is for her. I forget the specific passage I was thinking of and can’t find it looking back through the entire chapter, but I’m safe in agreeing on Breath as opposed to Blood. So what about her class. AS suggested maybe a Page on account of her untapped potential, but wasn’t sure enough to lock that in. I think whatever she is is probably a passive class, but I’m not sold on Page, particularly because Avery was the first of the girls to really get going on practice and being a Page would imply she took longer. She’s no thief or destroyer though, so not Rogue or Bard. I again cite her airheadedness for why she’s no Seer, even if she does have an intuition for Paths the same could be said for any Sburb player and their aspect as Dave pointed out how he understood timeloops intuitively as a time player. There’s disagreement on whether Page or Knight is the passive, but I can’t really see Avery as a Knight either. Something like Sonic the Hedgehog is what I’d expect of a Knight of Breath and that is not Avery. That leaves Heir and Sylph. Personally, I have a difficult time articulating why, but I think she’s more of a Sylph. Avery feels like the type of person who could lift spirits just by being happy nearby, which goes well with the idea that Sylphs heal. She even frees up Lost and other Others wherever she goes, and while she do that more actively, she does it more so to just whoever she happens across then actively looking for them, so I think that still counts as passive. So, Sylph of Breath for Avery. Finally, Verona. Originally I had assigned her as a Mage of Heart, citing that Heart is a lot more closely related to the Self than it is to romance, which is more in Blood’s wheelhouse if you ask me. I thought I had reclassected her later like I did Lucy but I guess I never actually posted it but basically I figured she might actually be more Voidy than Hearty on account of her ability to deceive without lying, pick up on practices she knows little to nothing about and innovate on them, her ability to understand the voiceless, and her desire to get away from her father and effectively hide from society. Even her avoiding telling her mom about the Practice for so much longer than the others contributed to this idea. So I reclassed her as a Mage of Void instead. AS begs to differ, and suggests Verona is closer to a Witch of Rage on account of her conflict not so much being internal or at war with herself but more so with external society trying to fit her in a box, and more importantly about people going back on their word and being unable to handle her. They suggested Rage is an aspect that already disrupts systems and norms and that Witches bend and break the rules of their aspect, with Verona’s massive fuckoff rituals being a result of her bending and breaking the only rules of an aspect that already had few to begin with, which is she is both “good and bad at operating in regimented systems”. I do think this has some merit. I still prefer Void over Rage or Heart for Verona’s aspect as of the end of Pale, but AS’s point about Verona bending and breaking rules is pretty compelling, so I’m officially reclassing her as a Witch of Void. So to recap, among the Kennet Witches Verona is a Derse Witch of Void, Lucy is a Derse Knight of Rage, and Avery is a Prospit Sylph of Breath. Among the original trio of Wildbow protagonists, Taylor is a Derse Prince of Mind, Blake is a Prospit Heir of Doom, and Sy is a Prospit Thief of Blood. Victoria meanwhile is a Knight of Light, and for her lunar sway I’d say probably Prospit. I won’t say I’m necessarily done, if I have any other thoughts on these later I’ll probably make another reblog update here, and I’d also like to classpect any future Wildbow protagonists as well, be it Plex, Pyre, or whatever else the Bow has cooked up. Who knows, maybe I can eventually build a session with all 12 aspects and all 12 base classes,

I’ve been getting into homestuck recently and stumbled across classpects as a concept awhile ago. I got curious and went to see if any Wildbow protagonists had been given classpects in crossover speculation. I was only able to find any for Taylor, probably because fans of both like to compare her to Vriska from what I’ve seen, with arguments for Taylor being a Page of Rage, Witch of Doom, or Bard of Heart.

I’d like to go over each protagonist personally, but it’s been too long since I read Worm, Ward, or Pact and reading those I was still all in on how the narrator sees things and bad at reading into the narration instead of just reading it, so those 3 all kind of blend together in my head too much for me to try them. I might do Sy, but I haven’t thought him much yet for it.

What I want to do right now is give classpects to Verona, Lucy, and Avery, based on my understanding of the classes and aspects I’ve been able to pick up.

Verona I would say is probably a Mage of Heart. Her arc has been more less about getting her to find a good place for her Self. She couldn’t really be herself with Brett always being nearby ready to whine to her about some bullshit or another, treating her as daughter and wife at the same time despite her age, and never appreciating any of the work she actually did until she just stopped doing it all together. Now she has her demesne that allows her to have her own home as she wants it, it’s become a hangout spot for all her closest friends, and she doesn’t have to worry about invaders doing any sort of harm to her, emotionally like Brett or even physically in most cases. Not to mention she can also easily interpret and communicate with nonverbal Others like Tashlit. But that’s just why I see her as Heart. For Mage it was more or less just that loves learning about her interests so much. She’s turning her demesne into a bookstore for books that were never written, she’s easily the most well-rounded in terms of understanding practices of the 3 Kennet Witches, and she’s even experimented with different things both mundane and magical to see how she likes them, such as that friends with benefits relationship she had with Jeremy for awhile or trying out Hosting, alchemy, enchantment, among other practices. I had also considered Void for Verona on account of how easy it is for her to play around with the truth without lying outright to confuse people, but ultimately her arc is more about getting from where she hated her life and circumstances so much she wanted to give up her humanity and become virtually anything else to getting where she’s perfectly comfortable being herself and flourishing under her own power, which to me reads with the idea that Heart is about the Inner Self.

Avery was probably the easiest of the trio. Maid of Blood. It’s my understanding that Blood is supposed to be about relationships and connections, and Avery has become something of an embodiment of networking with how many friends and contacts she’s built up over the course of Pale, and that’s all starting from a point where she could go months at a time without anybody noticing she hadn’t said a thing because of how disconnected she was. My understanding of a Maid is someone that takes care of, creates, and maintains their aspect, and boy howdy if Avery doesn’t do that. She literally goes to the edges of reality itself via the Paths to find contacts who’d otherwise be unable to contact anyone in a meaningful way in the form of Lost, who would all otherwise be to conceptually close to the ideas associated with Breath to get anywhere in their continued existences. Avery’s also the one of the trio most likely to allow an antagonist to redeem themself for similar reasons.

Lucy was the hardest one for me to get. I’d definitely peg her as a Knight, but I can’t decide if she fits better as a Knight of Hope or a Knight of Rage. I could see her as Hope because Hope players are described as “driven first and foremost by their convictions. They do right for right’s sake, and are quick to come to the aid of anyone they deem to be experiencing injustice.” That sounds extremely Lucy, but Hope as a concept also seems to be connected to the use of positive emotions to empower and accomplish where as Lucy is not someone I would describe as being emotionally positive. She is almost always on guard in some way or another, always prepared to be ‘bullet-proof’ in as many ways as possible because she’s anticipating some asshole coming up and challenging her on some arbitrary thing. Even her Sight allows her to see specifically negative emotions and pain in the form of watercolor-esc stains. This is where interpreting her as less Hopey and more Ragey comes in. She’s very tired of the way the world is. She fights tooth and nail in arguments, in magic, in duels, and in Law to gain just a bit of ground even if it isn’t as much ground as she had wanted. Training under Guilherme and Bubbleyum does seem to have taught her to be coolheaded enough not to suppress her anger but to channel it for all those sorts of fights I mentioned. Rage at the injustices of the world and especially those right in front of her that she can do something about, is what fuels her. As for why I’d put her as a Knight, that’s because Knight is the closest to how she normally operates. She doesn’t seek the knowledge the way a Mage or Seer does, she doesn’t really fit homestuck’s idea of an Heir or (ironically) Witch, she doesn’t generate or heal like a Maid or Sylph, and she isn’t destructive of any aspect like a Prince or Bard, she isn’t taking to deprive from others like a Thief or Rogue, and she certainly isn’t as selfish as she could be with her defense of what she cares about like a Page. The idea that she serves Hope for the future or exploits her own Rage or whatever it is Knights are supposed to one-worded to, Knight fits the best of the classes.

Bonus bit, going purely based off vibes I’d say Verona and Lucy are both derse dreamers while Avery would be prospit.

I’d like to do the other protagonists too but like I mentioned above it’s been too long since I read Worm, Pact, or Ward for me to do Taylor, Blake, or Victoria. I still can and might do Sy, I only recently finished Twig so he’s still fresh enough on my mind I think I could, just not now. In the meantime I’d like seeing some other people try at any or all of them. Get some speculation going for wildbow protags other than Taylor.

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Completely random ass thought that emerged because I've been thinking about both Homestuck and Guilty Gear lately

Bedman is a Mage of Mind I think. That's the vibes I get from his personality, his psychic dream powers, his role in Guilty Gear's storyline, even his gameplay whether it be Deja Vu in Xrd or Error State in Strive kind of echoes ideas associated with how a Mage of Mind could work in Sburb.

I might elaborate further later but I probably won't end up bothering.

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Ah yes, that one interlude in Pale

When you discovered your daughter was a magical girl, you angrily confronted her patron. However, you were surprised to see that they also did not like the fact that your daughter was a magical girl but unfortunately, she was literally the only option they had.

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I thought this was gonna be a Wverse version of Alexanderp for awhile there but then I realized it was going somewhere

lets say, hypothetically, that i had powers. okay, so, logically, that would also mean i had a trigger event. and a conflict drive. now, consider what that would mean. a conflict drive would, logically, mean that i engage in conflict; e.g. aggressive and destructive behaviors. does it seem to you that i am engaging in conflict right now? who am i destroying right now, in this debate? now, it would also mean that i have a corona pollentia. but whether i have a corona pollentia or not is irrelevant -- imagine, hypothetically, someone who was connected to a shard, but had not actually had a trigger event. this person would also have a corona pollentia. but this person would not - would NOT - have powers, or a conflict drive. so, in this hypothetical scenario, the presence of a corona pollentia would not be enough to convict this person of "massive property destruction with a parahuman ability" - because the corona pollentia can also exist in non-parahumans! so it's, frankly, absurd to accuse me of being responsible for the damage downtown, if damage is even the right word, because you could never prove that i had ever had a trigger event to begin with. i mean, even i - hypothetically - did have one, how would you prove it? would you ask me? wouldn't that constitute an invasion of privacy? and, furthermore, how could you prove that the so-called parahuman power effect ("on-fire skeleton antigravity spiders") in the area is my doing, or the doing of any parahuman, for that matter? they might simply be a new species of spider, undescribed by science. in which case, this would be a potential new scientific breakthrough, one you would certainly be obstructing if you chose to waste your time, say, arresting me instead of calling an entomologist or similar scientific expert over to take a look. and let's say, hypothetically, that while you were doing that, i went home to my house, and you forgot all about this - because, well, surely the PRT is busy catching real parahuman criminals, right? i mean, i would hope our tax dollars are doing something here - but anyway, let's say that you forget all about this except if there's another antigravity spiders incident in which case you remember all the reasons it wasn't me and it couldn't have been me. okay? great, then - holy shit what was that scream. is that the fucking simurgh. oh my fucking god jesus christ

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If it were just Taylor, seeing her maul 90% of the spiderman and batman rogue galleries would be hysterical

Just Victoria, it might be more fun to watch her head explode while trying to wrap around characters with powers that just don't follow parahuman science, like a time traveler, dimension hopper, telepath, or even just a straight up magic using villain.

Bonus: Imagine Taylor & Victoria together trying to work around eachother while simultaneously dealing with a bigger threat like Ultron or Brainiac or something.

Victoria and Taylor but they have to deal with a Marvel/DC villain.

Who would be fun to see them face off against?

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I quite liked Chris, if the fact that my blog is themed after him didn't make that obvious. He really resonated with me as a character, especially when his first interlude rolled around and I found out he had a lot of the same thought patterns that I did at the time I read Ward, and still more or less hold today. A concrete example would be his need to control the flow of information regarding his spoilery deal, which was almost 1 to 1 with my experience as an atheist in a highly religious area.

That being said, he still ended up being a dick and I would have personally gone about things very differently then he did.

Okay but following up with some Ward positives as of finishing arc 9:

Victoria, Ashley, and Sveta are great all in their own ways

Each of them recognisably being in that delicate state of late teens/early twenties where you're trying to figure your shit out and grapple with the fact you're 'behind' what feels like the majority of your peers in terms of your development due to your fucked up life and trauma

Both Ashleys' cringefail loser villainy, she kins Skeletor and Starscream

Crystal doesn't even own scissors

Rain O' Fire 'Sopping Wet' Frazier when do we get back to your deal

Kenzie has never done anything wrong except for all the crimes

I am shocked no one else seems to love Chris, is it because he is annoying and gross and shitty and mean? Is it because of his whole [spoilers deal]? Must a character be 'likeable' or have 'a single redeeming quality' or even 'be more palpable than biting aluminum foil' to be appreciated?

I think they should give Natalie a gun

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Updating this because I’m finally ready to give Sy a go and I also relistened to the first 3 We Got Worms so I’ll be doing Taylor too.

Like I mentioned before, I firmly believe Sy is a Blood player. Almost everything he does revolves around the other Lambs and his relationships with them and even his most outstanding skills revolve around manipulating people by forming connections, real or otherwise. What about his class? Personally I put Sy as a Thief. As mentioned above, he’s an adept manipulator and part of that in his case revolves his ability to take allies from enemy ranks (Mary) or simply get people to follow him who otherwise wouldn’t have gotten involved at all as is the case for a large portion of late-game Twig. Hell, at one point he hijacked a plan from a rival because he accidentally stumbled upon the seeds her plan before she could return to execute it, and he did that by convincing her contacts that he was working for her. By the time they realized they’d been duped it was too late for a good chunk of them to do anything but remain Sy’s allies, which is probably his biggest Blood-heist that occurred in the story. As for why Thief rather than Rogue, that would be because Sy has an element of selfishness when it comes to his relationships. He’s made attempts to escape the Academy on his own on more than one occasion, and he’s actively harmed and restrained allies under circumstances, even becoming a large thorn in the side of the Lambs for multiple arcs at one point partially for his own amusement.

Now for Taylor. After having relistened to We Got Worm go through the first 3 arcs of Worm and remembering different things from across the rest of the serial, I still maintain that Taylor is a Mind player. I think everyone who’s ever even heard of Worm will agree that Taylor is very utilitarian minded character, and that lends itself to Mind’s conceptual ties to actions and consequences, and she makes it a habit to rationalize everything she does in order to stay on, in her mind, the right side of justice, even if that means being incredibly brutal or using fear tactics to save people. Remember that scene where she adamantly refused to take action because she couldn’t rationalize the action? That was during the agnosia plague, I forget the circumstances but I remember it being brought up on We Got Worm the first time I listened that while she rationalizes a lot of horrible actions she will not take an action she cannot rationalize. But of course, while she does try to be rational, she isn’t always thinking as rationally as she thinks she is. That brings us to her class: Prince. She’ll often get driven by emotion but not consciously realize it. Her early interactions with the Undersiders reflected this pretty well with her rational for joining them being that she could go undercover in this group that was adept at evading heroes so she could get them caught when in reality she was just looking for a group that would accept her, which the Undersiders provided. Not to mention her first interaction with Rachel. She almost threw her entire rationalized plan out the window because she was so angry after Rachel attacked her and had to be convinced to come back. Her ability to compartmentalize and rationalize is in a sense her using her Mind to destroy her own feelings. But not just for herself either. Her early interactions with Flechette also left her disoriented because she couldn’t completely dismiss the points Taylor was making during their fight, which I believe got brought up in an interlude later, in a sense destroying Flechette’s mind. And then there’s also how Taylor fights. She’s always probing for weaknesses and maintaining a very high degree of awareness via her ability to sense the bugs in the area. Even if she can’t personally capitalize on a weakness she will tell others how they can exploit it. Once again, using Mind to destroy. And then there’s the most obvious destroyer of mind thing with her, when she actively made Amy turn her into Khepri. Edit: I just remembered another point I was gonna make for Taylor being a Prince is how she takes charge and doesn’t bend the knee easily, becoming the leader of the Undersiders at one point and a gang lord near the top of the local totem pole at another, similar to a common idea I’ve seen that Sburb Princes tend to take charge when they can.

Bonus Lunar Sway segment: Based on vibes I’d place Taylor on Derse and Sy on Prospit.

That just leaves Victoria, who I’m still not sure about. Gotta listen to some We Got Ward stuff and try to remember stuff from Ward. But hey, maybe after that I can go find of those session analysis blogs and see if I can get them to analyze this Wildbow session.

I’ve been getting into homestuck recently and stumbled across classpects as a concept awhile ago. I got curious and went to see if any Wildbow protagonists had been given classpects in crossover speculation. I was only able to find any for Taylor, probably because fans of both like to compare her to Vriska from what I’ve seen, with arguments for Taylor being a Page of Rage, Witch of Doom, or Bard of Heart.

I’d like to go over each protagonist personally, but it’s been too long since I read Worm, Ward, or Pact and reading those I was still all in on how the narrator sees things and bad at reading into the narration instead of just reading it, so those 3 all kind of blend together in my head too much for me to try them. I might do Sy, but I haven’t thought him much yet for it.

What I want to do right now is give classpects to Verona, Lucy, and Avery, based on my understanding of the classes and aspects I’ve been able to pick up.

Verona I would say is probably a Mage of Heart. Her arc has been more less about getting her to find a good place for her Self. She couldn’t really be herself with Brett always being nearby ready to whine to her about some bullshit or another, treating her as daughter and wife at the same time despite her age, and never appreciating any of the work she actually did until she just stopped doing it all together. Now she has her demesne that allows her to have her own home as she wants it, it’s become a hangout spot for all her closest friends, and she doesn’t have to worry about invaders doing any sort of harm to her, emotionally like Brett or even physically in most cases. Not to mention she can also easily interpret and communicate with nonverbal Others like Tashlit. But that’s just why I see her as Heart. For Mage it was more or less just that loves learning about her interests so much. She’s turning her demesne into a bookstore for books that were never written, she’s easily the most well-rounded in terms of understanding practices of the 3 Kennet Witches, and she’s even experimented with different things both mundane and magical to see how she likes them, such as that friends with benefits relationship she had with Jeremy for awhile or trying out Hosting, alchemy, enchantment, among other practices. I had also considered Void for Verona on account of how easy it is for her to play around with the truth without lying outright to confuse people, but ultimately her arc is more about getting from where she hated her life and circumstances so much she wanted to give up her humanity and become virtually anything else to getting where she’s perfectly comfortable being herself and flourishing under her own power, which to me reads with the idea that Heart is about the Inner Self.

Avery was probably the easiest of the trio. Maid of Blood. It’s my understanding that Blood is supposed to be about relationships and connections, and Avery has become something of an embodiment of networking with how many friends and contacts she’s built up over the course of Pale, and that’s all starting from a point where she could go months at a time without anybody noticing she hadn’t said a thing because of how disconnected she was. My understanding of a Maid is someone that takes care of, creates, and maintains their aspect, and boy howdy if Avery doesn’t do that. She literally goes to the edges of reality itself via the Paths to find contacts who’d otherwise be unable to contact anyone in a meaningful way in the form of Lost, who would all otherwise be to conceptually close to the ideas associated with Breath to get anywhere in their continued existences. Avery’s also the one of the trio most likely to allow an antagonist to redeem themself for similar reasons.

Lucy was the hardest one for me to get. I’d definitely peg her as a Knight, but I can’t decide if she fits better as a Knight of Hope or a Knight of Rage. I could see her as Hope because Hope players are described as “driven first and foremost by their convictions. They do right for right’s sake, and are quick to come to the aid of anyone they deem to be experiencing injustice.” That sounds extremely Lucy, but Hope as a concept also seems to be connected to the use of positive emotions to empower and accomplish where as Lucy is not someone I would describe as being emotionally positive. She is almost always on guard in some way or another, always prepared to be ‘bullet-proof’ in as many ways as possible because she’s anticipating some asshole coming up and challenging her on some arbitrary thing. Even her Sight allows her to see specifically negative emotions and pain in the form of watercolor-esc stains. This is where interpreting her as less Hopey and more Ragey comes in. She’s very tired of the way the world is. She fights tooth and nail in arguments, in magic, in duels, and in Law to gain just a bit of ground even if it isn’t as much ground as she had wanted. Training under Guilherme and Bubbleyum does seem to have taught her to be coolheaded enough not to suppress her anger but to channel it for all those sorts of fights I mentioned. Rage at the injustices of the world and especially those right in front of her that she can do something about, is what fuels her. As for why I’d put her as a Knight, that’s because Knight is the closest to how she normally operates. She doesn’t seek the knowledge the way a Mage or Seer does, she doesn’t really fit homestuck’s idea of an Heir or (ironically) Witch, she doesn’t generate or heal like a Maid or Sylph, and she isn’t destructive of any aspect like a Prince or Bard, she isn’t taking to deprive from others like a Thief or Rogue, and she certainly isn’t as selfish as she could be with her defense of what she cares about like a Page. The idea that she serves Hope for the future or exploits her own Rage or whatever it is Knights are supposed to one-worded to, Knight fits the best of the classes.

Bonus bit, going purely based off vibes I’d say Verona and Lucy are both derse dreamers while Avery would be prospit.

I’d like to do the other protagonists too but like I mentioned above it’s been too long since I read Worm, Pact, or Ward for me to do Taylor, Blake, or Victoria. I still can and might do Sy, I only recently finished Twig so he’s still fresh enough on my mind I think I could, just not now. In the meantime I’d like seeing some other people try at any or all of them. Get some speculation going for wildbow protags other than Taylor.

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That's already a thing in Wildbow's Pale. There was a character named Sharon who was something called a Skeptic that had that effect on magic around her due to the raw power of disbelief. There's more than one in that universe too.

Supernatural creatures are baffled, confused, distraught or even terrified when all of a sudden their powers and magic stop working, reducing them back to basically being humans. The source: A human so disbelieving that all magic and supernatural effects stop working within a certain radius.

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Updating this, I discovered I may’ve misunderstood some stuff from what I’ve seen in other classpecting stuff.

Found out being a Page isn’t necessarily just about hoarding your aspect to empower yourself, but can also have something to do with growing into and becoming a leader over time using their aspect. If we say Lucy is more of a page than a knight using this interpretation it even solves the issue of whether Lucy is closer to Hope or Rage because Pages always start out with a lack of their aspect, thus since Lucy started out really angry at the injustices of the world but later becoming a beacon of hope against those injustices could solidify her as a Page of Hope.

In addition, even though I don’t remember Blake’s personality all that distinctly, I got a lightbulb for what his classpect could be from reading the tags of a reblog and his role in Pact: Blake is an Heir of Doom. He literally inherited seven lifetimes worth of bad karma and all the local enemies of Jacob’s Bell along with his family’s history of diabolic magic making it difficult at best to get allies anywhere else he went, not to mention all the shit that went down with him and the Abyss or how he was supposed to be predestined to duel to the death with what would otherwise be an ally.

And based purely off vibes I’d call Blake a prospit dreamer.

Besides that I’ll also mention that while I haven’t been super thinking about them yet, Sy is almost definitely a Blood player due to everything he does revolving around the Lambs in one way or another and his ability to manipulate people in general, and from what I do recall of her character Taylor is probably a Mind player due to her focus on actions, consequences, and utilitarianism. Victoria gives the vibes of a Light player but I haven’t really thought about whether that would suit either her personality or role in Ward.

I’ve been getting into homestuck recently and stumbled across classpects as a concept awhile ago. I got curious and went to see if any Wildbow protagonists had been given classpects in crossover speculation. I was only able to find any for Taylor, probably because fans of both like to compare her to Vriska from what I’ve seen, with arguments for Taylor being a Page of Rage, Witch of Doom, or Bard of Heart.

I’d like to go over each protagonist personally, but it’s been too long since I read Worm, Ward, or Pact and reading those I was still all in on how the narrator sees things and bad at reading into the narration instead of just reading it, so those 3 all kind of blend together in my head too much for me to try them. I might do Sy, but I haven’t thought him much yet for it.

What I want to do right now is give classpects to Verona, Lucy, and Avery, based on my understanding of the classes and aspects I’ve been able to pick up.

Verona I would say is probably a Mage of Heart. Her arc has been more less about getting her to find a good place for her Self. She couldn’t really be herself with Brett always being nearby ready to whine to her about some bullshit or another, treating her as daughter and wife at the same time despite her age, and never appreciating any of the work she actually did until she just stopped doing it all together. Now she has her demesne that allows her to have her own home as she wants it, it’s become a hangout spot for all her closest friends, and she doesn’t have to worry about invaders doing any sort of harm to her, emotionally like Brett or even physically in most cases. Not to mention she can also easily interpret and communicate with nonverbal Others like Tashlit. But that’s just why I see her as Heart. For Mage it was more or less just that loves learning about her interests so much. She’s turning her demesne into a bookstore for books that were never written, she’s easily the most well-rounded in terms of understanding practices of the 3 Kennet Witches, and she’s even experimented with different things both mundane and magical to see how she likes them, such as that friends with benefits relationship she had with Jeremy for awhile or trying out Hosting, alchemy, enchantment, among other practices. I had also considered Void for Verona on account of how easy it is for her to play around with the truth without lying outright to confuse people, but ultimately her arc is more about getting from where she hated her life and circumstances so much she wanted to give up her humanity and become virtually anything else to getting where she’s perfectly comfortable being herself and flourishing under her own power, which to me reads with the idea that Heart is about the Inner Self.

Avery was probably the easiest of the trio. Maid of Blood. It’s my understanding that Blood is supposed to be about relationships and connections, and Avery has become something of an embodiment of networking with how many friends and contacts she’s built up over the course of Pale, and that’s all starting from a point where she could go months at a time without anybody noticing she hadn’t said a thing because of how disconnected she was. My understanding of a Maid is someone that takes care of, creates, and maintains their aspect, and boy howdy if Avery doesn’t do that. She literally goes to the edges of reality itself via the Paths to find contacts who’d otherwise be unable to contact anyone in a meaningful way in the form of Lost, who would all otherwise be to conceptually close to the ideas associated with Breath to get anywhere in their continued existences. Avery’s also the one of the trio most likely to allow an antagonist to redeem themself for similar reasons.

Lucy was the hardest one for me to get. I’d definitely peg her as a Knight, but I can’t decide if she fits better as a Knight of Hope or a Knight of Rage. I could see her as Hope because Hope players are described as “driven first and foremost by their convictions. They do right for right’s sake, and are quick to come to the aid of anyone they deem to be experiencing injustice.” That sounds extremely Lucy, but Hope as a concept also seems to be connected to the use of positive emotions to empower and accomplish where as Lucy is not someone I would describe as being emotionally positive. She is almost always on guard in some way or another, always prepared to be ‘bullet-proof’ in as many ways as possible because she’s anticipating some asshole coming up and challenging her on some arbitrary thing. Even her Sight allows her to see specifically negative emotions and pain in the form of watercolor-esc stains. This is where interpreting her as less Hopey and more Ragey comes in. She’s very tired of the way the world is. She fights tooth and nail in arguments, in magic, in duels, and in Law to gain just a bit of ground even if it isn’t as much ground as she had wanted. Training under Guilherme and Bubbleyum does seem to have taught her to be coolheaded enough not to suppress her anger but to channel it for all those sorts of fights I mentioned. Rage at the injustices of the world and especially those right in front of her that she can do something about, is what fuels her. As for why I’d put her as a Knight, that’s because Knight is the closest to how she normally operates. She doesn’t seek the knowledge the way a Mage or Seer does, she doesn’t really fit homestuck’s idea of an Heir or (ironically) Witch, she doesn’t generate or heal like a Maid or Sylph, and she isn’t destructive of any aspect like a Prince or Bard, she isn’t taking to deprive from others like a Thief or Rogue, and she certainly isn’t as selfish as she could be with her defense of what she cares about like a Page. The idea that she serves Hope for the future or exploits her own Rage or whatever it is Knights are supposed to one-worded to, Knight fits the best of the classes.

Bonus bit, going purely based off vibes I’d say Verona and Lucy are both derse dreamers while Avery would be prospit.

I’d like to do the other protagonists too but like I mentioned above it’s been too long since I read Worm, Pact, or Ward for me to do Taylor, Blake, or Victoria. I still can and might do Sy, I only recently finished Twig so he’s still fresh enough on my mind I think I could, just not now. In the meantime I’d like seeing some other people try at any or all of them. Get some speculation going for wildbow protags other than Taylor.

[bad-pun-king]

I’ve been getting into homestuck recently and stumbled across classpects as a concept awhile ago. I got curious and went to see if any Wildbow protagonists had been given classpects in crossover speculation. I was only able to find any for Taylor, probably because fans of both like to compare her to Vriska from what I’ve seen, with arguments for Taylor being a Page of Rage, Witch of Doom, or Bard of Heart.

I’d like to go over each protagonist personally, but it’s been too long since I read Worm, Ward, or Pact and reading those I was still all in on how the narrator sees things and bad at reading into the narration instead of just reading it, so those 3 all kind of blend together in my head too much for me to try them. I might do Sy, but I haven’t thought him much yet for it.

What I want to do right now is give classpects to Verona, Lucy, and Avery, based on my understanding of the classes and aspects I’ve been able to pick up.

Verona I would say is probably a Mage of Heart. Her arc has been more less about getting her to find a good place for her Self. She couldn’t really be herself with Brett always being nearby ready to whine to her about some bullshit or another, treating her as daughter and wife at the same time despite her age, and never appreciating any of the work she actually did until she just stopped doing it all together. Now she has her demesne that allows her to have her own home as she wants it, it’s become a hangout spot for all her closest friends, and she doesn’t have to worry about invaders doing any sort of harm to her, emotionally like Brett or even physically in most cases. Not to mention she can also easily interpret and communicate with nonverbal Others like Tashlit. But that’s just why I see her as Heart. For Mage it was more or less just that loves learning about her interests so much. She’s turning her demesne into a bookstore for books that were never written, she’s easily the most well-rounded in terms of understanding practices of the 3 Kennet Witches, and she’s even experimented with different things both mundane and magical to see how she likes them, such as that friends with benefits relationship she had with Jeremy for awhile or trying out Hosting, alchemy, enchantment, among other practices. I had also considered Void for Verona on account of how easy it is for her to play around with the truth without lying outright to confuse people, but ultimately her arc is more about getting from where she hated her life and circumstances so much she wanted to give up her humanity and become virtually anything else to getting where she’s perfectly comfortable being herself and flourishing under her own power, which to me reads with the idea that Heart is about the Inner Self.

Avery was probably the easiest of the trio. Maid of Blood. It’s my understanding that Blood is supposed to be about relationships and connections, and Avery has become something of an embodiment of networking with how many friends and contacts she’s built up over the course of Pale, and that’s all starting from a point where she could go months at a time without anybody noticing she hadn’t said a thing because of how disconnected she was. My understanding of a Maid is someone that takes care of, creates, and maintains their aspect, and boy howdy if Avery doesn’t do that. She literally goes to the edges of reality itself via the Paths to find contacts who’d otherwise be unable to contact anyone in a meaningful way in the form of Lost, who would all otherwise be to conceptually close to the ideas associated with Breath to get anywhere in their continued existences. Avery’s also the one of the trio most likely to allow an antagonist to redeem themself for similar reasons.

Lucy was the hardest one for me to get. I’d definitely peg her as a Knight, but I can’t decide if she fits better as a Knight of Hope or a Knight of Rage. I could see her as Hope because Hope players are described as “driven first and foremost by their convictions. They do right for right's sake, and are quick to come to the aid of anyone they deem to be experiencing injustice.” That sounds extremely Lucy, but Hope as a concept also seems to be connected to the use of positive emotions to empower and accomplish where as Lucy is not someone I would describe as being emotionally positive. She is almost always on guard in some way or another, always prepared to be ‘bullet-proof’ in as many ways as possible because she’s anticipating some asshole coming up and challenging her on some arbitrary thing. Even her Sight allows her to see specifically negative emotions and pain in the form of watercolor-esc stains. This is where interpreting her as less Hopey and more Ragey comes in. She’s very tired of the way the world is. She fights tooth and nail in arguments, in magic, in duels, and in Law to gain just a bit of ground even if it isn’t as much ground as she had wanted. Training under Guilherme and Bubbleyum does seem to have taught her to be coolheaded enough not to suppress her anger but to channel it for all those sorts of fights I mentioned. Rage at the injustices of the world and especially those right in front of her that she can do something about, is what fuels her. As for why I’d put her as a Knight, that’s because Knight is the closest to how she normally operates. She doesn’t seek the knowledge the way a Mage or Seer does, she doesn’t really fit homestuck’s idea of an Heir or (ironically) Witch, she doesn’t generate or heal like a Maid or Sylph, and she isn’t destructive of any aspect like a Prince or Bard, she isn’t taking to deprive from others like a Thief or Rogue, and she certainly isn’t as selfish as she could be with her defense of what she cares about like a Page. The idea that she serves Hope for the future or exploits her own Rage or whatever it is Knights are supposed to one-worded to, Knight fits the best of the classes.

Bonus bit, going purely based off vibes I’d say Verona and Lucy are both derse dreamers while Avery would be prospit.

I’d like to do the other protagonists too but like I mentioned above it’s been too long since I read Worm, Pact, or Ward for me to do Taylor, Blake, or Victoria. I still can and might do Sy, I only recently finished Twig so he’s still fresh enough on my mind I think I could, just not now. In the meantime I’d like seeing some other people try at any or all of them. Get some speculation going for wildbow protags other than Taylor.

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Josuke Higashikata is both at the same time

no offense but male protagonists whose strength comes from empathy, compassion and humanity will always be more interesting than snarky assholes who punch everything and treat everyone around them like shit

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They would suck SO bad at it but breakthrough should totally play dnd together