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OH are you talking about dual numbers with the greek thing? like words for pairs specifically? like you have singular and plural and pairs (and trios). from this wikipedia page: /wiki/Dual_(grammatical_number)? yeah i was on that page for a bit writing that post! dont entirely understand it either im not a linguist. still also dont understand your tags about elegy and stuff but i would like too tbh you have cool tags :)

YES THOSE the legendary dual, so rare that when you find it it's unrecognisable

The elegy thing was 100% thrown together in like 5 minutes of skimming my high school books, I don't think it's actually understandable but thanks ❤️❤️ shhshshdjdjejdhdhebdhbs

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"#The multiple pronouns have ancient Greek duale (?) energy#No I can't elaborate I don't understand either" but i want you to!! >:( you also had some Great tags the other day on another one of my posts, i dont remember which one.... i think another gallifreyan one? but i didnt understand any of the words in them so i couldnt, like, respond :P oh it was about poetry i think! i found it. it was post # this: 648788470001745920 on your blog. uhh i dont have a question but you had cool tags :)

I wish I could elaborate on the duale thing but it was mostly a meme between me, myself and my friends who will actually never see it, because in five years of translating we found it like 6 times, it's the cryptid of ancient Greek avsbshddhhebehdbdbevdvevebw

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doing background for animation about Hollow Knight

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What happens in my mind when I get asked "Who's your favorite Master."

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gallifreyan headcanons

okay i dont know anything about linguistics but even with that limitation i want to do some headcanons about what i imagine gallifreyan is like

i imagine they’d have different pronouns for ‘i (current regeneration)���, i (all regenerations)’, and maybe something like an i/you combination when youre talking to yourself? or like, when youre saying ‘i (current regeneration)’ to another regeneration of yourself you’d use a different i than if you were talking to someone else. i need a diagram for this. alright, some personal pronouns i can imagine they could have:

i (current regeneration)

i (all regenerations)

you (also me/different regeneration); you/i

you (your regeneration exclusively, as contrasted with me (current regeneration))

you (another person)

we (current regeneration + (multiple) different regeneration(s?)); we/i(all)

we (current regeneration + another person)

you pl (different regenerations); you/we

you pl (different regenerations exclusively, contrasted with we/i(all))

you pl (other people)

you pl (combination?)

they (other regenerations); they/we(i/all)

they (other people)

??? is this understandable? im not sure i even understand anymore ashjkhg

this is all still very individual though. and thats alright for the doctor and the master and stuff, but we’re still dealing with a species that is telepathically all connected to each other. so there should probably also be words for like

i/we(timelords)

okay some example sentences for each pronoun. i dont think these were all said in gallifreyan but if they were, i think these would be the pronouns used.

i (current regeneration): ELIZABETH: Who is this man? 10: That’s just what I was wondering. DOCTOR: This is lavish, for a tent. I’m the Doctor, these are my new best friends, Ryan, Graham and Yaz.

i (all regenerations): YASMIN: So everything we saw, everything we’ve lied to people about, is this normal for you? DOCTOR: I’m just a traveller.

you (also me/different regeneration); you/i 11: Oi. Ha! Matchstick man. 10: You’re not. MASTER: You mean, I’m going to turn into a woman and you don’t even remember it happening? MISSY: Oh! Am I a woman now?

you (your regeneration exclusively, as contrasted with me (current regeneration)) 11: Listen, what you get up to in the privacy of your own regeneration is your business. MASTER: Becoming a woman’s one thing, but have you got empathy?

you (another person) MISSY: You absolutely had to bring her, did you?

we (current regeneration + other regeneration(s)); we/i(all) WAR DOCTOR: Hello. 10: I’m the Doctor. 11: Sorry about the Dalek. 10: You tell yourself it’s justified, but it’s a lie. Because what I did that day was wrong. Just wrong. 11: And, because I got it wrong, I’m going to make sure you get it right.

we (current regeneration + another person) DOCTOR: Hi. Us again. 

alright im getting bored of this now and the second half of these are too complicated. im watching the scene with 3 doctors in the barn trying to figure out what pronouns they might be using and,, im just gonna postpone that to another post. so last one for now:

i/we(timelords)

DOCTOR: I’m the Doctor. I’m a Time Lord. I’m from the planet Gallifrey in the constellation of Kasterborous. I’m nine hundred and three years old and I’m the man who’s going to save your lives and all six billion people on the planet below. You got a problem with that?

DOCTOR: I was born on a planet called Gallifrey in the constellation of Kasterborous. I’m a Time Lord. I can regenerate my body. I stole this Tardis and I ran away. I’ve been travelling ever since. The Master was one of my oldest friends. We went very different ways. Questions?

JENNY: What’s a Time Lord? DOCTOR: It’s who I am. It’s where I’m from. JENNY: And I’m from you.

i also imagine that the relationship between speakers matters a lot, seeing as they are all about ranks and titles and stuff and also when youre a whole civilisation that dabbles in time travel and regeneration, i think it’d be important to be able to keep straight what everyone’s perspective on each other(’s timeline) is when you meet someone.

so i imagine - and i dont know what the right words for this are, or if it’s even a thing that natural languages (that function enough like human natural languages that the doctor can learn human languages but also must be different fundamentally because theyre built on two senses that humans just do not have) do, or could reasonably do -  but i imagine that who youre speaking to changes, like, the way your entire sentences are inflected or whatever. what would that be? would that be like, modalities?

okay i went on wikipedia and

amazing. flavors.

this does seem kinda like what im thinking about? im not sure if this is what i mean but im thinking that like

if youve got like 13 talking to 9 there would be Something different about her sentences, idk if it would be that the verbs would be like conjugated different or something else but just Something about how just like, how she spoke in general, that would be different than if she was talking to 10 or 11 or 12. and how 9 would speak to her wouldnt match! like, Whatever the thing is that im thinking is changing here, it would be different for 9 because he’s talking to his future, and 13 is talking to her past. they each have different perspectives on their relationship in that conversation and that needs to be expressed in how they spoke.

i dont think it’d be modalities actually. i dont think it’d be the verbs that changed. it’d be something else. im not sure what the concept im imagining would be called, or if it even exists on earth, i think it must, i just dont know enough about languages to say what it is. it’d be like, a formality thing? like a register! maybe it’s a register?

i looked up register, and i think what im thinking is sort of like a register but less… optional? it wouldnt be about word choice and politeness rules, it’d be about the way words bend. like it’d change the nouns or whatever. change suffixes? prefixes? i dont think it’d change the nouns but like. do you know what i mean? it’d change something about the entire sentences that’d make it immediately clear the relationship between the speakers. maybe it’d be even something that would be put on the sentence as a whole. maybe they dont make sentences word by word. their written language is like, everything all at once, the same way they experience time probably, a little bit, so maybe their spoken language is also like that. maybe the temporal relationship between speakers isnt expressed in individual words but in an inflection that somehow goes on the entire sentence. like a question?

thats the main two things im thinking about rn. what kind of personal pronouns they’d have and how they’d express the relationship between speakers as something really very unavoidable. i have more thoughts, and i also want to think more about how their primary senses being time and telepathy would influence how they put words to concepts. how they conceptualise things. how they put boundaries around concepts.

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There’s always collateral damage with you and me. It’s our Paris…

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ever seen a frog so beautiful you cried

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These guys are always at it in some way.

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High and Dry  p. 124-125-126

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Prologue - Chapter 1 - Chapter 2 - Chapter 3 - Chapter 4 - Chapter 5 - Chapter 6 - Chapter 7

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My fave book series turns 20! (What is that in Artemis years?) I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, this series is a constant source of happiness and inspiration. I love the books, and even more the community which has grown around it, which has really informed the books for me. There’s a lot of canon I’m not even sure is really canon, and I love it.

So here’s to 20 more years of fanon, art, and crazy memes. To fanfiction and scholarly introspection. To Artemis Fowl, our favorite disaster child.

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gonna make a new post because that other one is so long i feel sorry for anyone uninterested just trying to scroll through their dash but these tags are so good!!

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#I’ve thought about them speaking Gallifreyan here but not about switching so much #but yeah definitely #also gives it more weight if ‘you always have been’ is in Gallifreyan because like #in English? ‘you’ + 'always’ spans a hundred years at best #but in my imagination Gallifreyan has tenses that more accurately differentiate between time spans #so 'always have been’ would be in a tense that encompasses #the longest amount of time it can? and maybe it doesn’t even work in Gallifreyan! maybe even their mother tongue isn’t quite enough #because 'always’ + 'you’ precedes time lords here it probably precedes the Gallifreyan language (at least as they know it. I just can’t #imagine a language being stagnant for so long) #I don’t know I just think it’d be interesting if - while English is inadequate to describe their experiences as time lords (ish) - #Gallifreyan also 'failed’ with regards to the Doctor’s history

nothing to add but !!!!!!

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#oh!!! are we Yelling about gallifreyan meta this fine morning? #I love all of this so much #but also like…. Gallifreyan as a language of absolutes holds a lot of appeal for me #it’s meant for stating Facts and Realities; it’s a language meant to be a foundation #so the Master telling that story and telling the Doctor the truth IN GALLIFREYAN #is forcing her to accept that it’s true. #which makes her 'it’s all lies’ #So Much Better if it’s in Gallifreyan #she’s trying to make that same Statement trying to refute it with the same level of Reality #but she Can’t. it does Work. because no matter how much she hates it it’s still true #and then. and THEN. #she says 'I know my own life’. but in English #because she can’t be sure she can’t KNOW anymore #and maybe throughout the rest of that conversation they’re back in Gallifreyan because the Master replies in Gallifreyan again #but the Doctor is still fighting a losing battle there #her tenses are slipping her grammar isn’t quite right #she’s falling apart

now we’re cooking with gas!!! rain!! oh my god!! thank you!! this is fascinating. okay so i dont know if what youre saying about gallifreyan being a language of absolutes is canon or just how you like to think about it, but i do feel like i have a memory of reading a meta about gallifreyan language that i cant find back now, about how its origins were like, scientific? that the first words they needed were like, complicated scientific concepts instead of everyday language. OH WAIT. i found it i found it!

1. Gallifreyans only evolved a language when it became necessary to discuss concepts which could not be adequately expressed telepathically, such as quantum physics. 2. As a result, many of its oldest words sound like frustrated grunts and clucks to most other species. 3. After a while, this speaking thing began to catch on in everyday use, and, as languages do, new words were hijacked from the old ones. 4. Unfortunately, whereas most cultures have hijacked their everyday vocabularies to discuss science, Gallifreyans were forced to hijack their scientific vocabulary to discuss, for example, the weather or the location of their missing left socks. Example of 4: 'sock’ is a compound word which translates roughly to 'item of clothing woven from wool and commonly worn on the feet’. Unfortunately, 'wool’, 'clothing’ and 'foot’ are also all compound words. Discussing the weather is much easier, but you’ll never hear 'I think it’s going to rain’ when a discussion of the barometric pressure and current air humidity is so much simpler and shorter. 4. Short-form words for basic, vital concepts - 'yes’, 'no’, 'time’ and a numbering system - were added artificially at a much later date, to general rejoicing. This is still regarded as one of the finest achievements of Rassilon.

It is not uncommon for Time Lords, when discussing the future, to suddenly shift into an alternate-universe tense.

9. The swearword equivalent to 'fuck’ is also the only word for 'fixed point’. Other curses include 'random fluctuations in the time-space continuum’ and 'Dalek’.

(imagine what 10 said to jack when he said like ‘youre a fixed point’ gkjfhjkg)

i think this post is more dealing more with the societal circumstances of gallifreyan developing and i was more thinking about the current individual experience of it, because i dont have the knowledge to speculate how on gallifreyan developed. but it’s really cool!

and now im also thinking about what/when was the start of gallifreyan as a spoken language. from another meta by charamei bc im just taking their word as truth now because i really like it, it seems like the shobogans/non-timelord gallifreyans were already telepathic/hivemindy and time sensitive:

So. We know nothing about them, but we know more or less what they left behind. Let’s use a good old-fashioned historian trick and extrapolate backwards.

Time Lords:

Are humanoid in shape

Regenerate

Are very strongly telepathic and have some kind of hivemind or collective subconscious: the women are usually more telepathic than the men

Have approximately eleven males to one female

Breed by machine

Are time-sensitive

We know at least two of these (regeneration and Looming) were artificially created by Rassilon when he forcibly updated their genome, so we can happily ignore them. The other four look like legacy traits to me: if your species’ primary sense was already telepathy, it would make much more sense to make your new species’ primary sense telepathy also. Same with the shape and the sex split: if they were previously 50/50, why bother skewing it?

also this because im a big fan of anything that makes gallifreyan social dynamics really alien to us:

They communicate telepathically and have significantly more men than women, and the women tend to be stronger telepaths. Does this remind anyone else of colony insects?

okay so like. tecteun as part of the original gallifreyans, tunnel-dwelling probably:

See above for reasons why early Gallifreyans might have wanted to live in underground tunnels. Fresh water and shelter from timestorms (and normal storms) sound good to me

Also? You know what else all those rifts and timestorms and stuff bring to prehistoric Gallifrey, besides extremely painful death if you get caught in them? Aliens.

a telepathic, colony insect??, hivemind species:

Let’s assume that before Rassilon fiddled with it, the Gallifreyan species did not have one hivemind but a lot of small ones, each maybe covering a few square miles. (If you’re playing along on Spore at home, we are now entering the Creature stage.) Each of these had a 'queen’ and a group of males, possibly arranged in some form of caste system (hey, modern Gallifrey has one, so why not? At the very least you’d probably get soldiers and workers). The smaller hiveminds would each represent a, well, a hive, I guess. What Rassilon did, much later, was to unify them into one big one and extend them across time and space so it was impossible to ever end up 'out of range’ - which, if you remember the hivemind meta, is really pretty fucking important for Gallifreyans because their brains don’t function properly without it.

And you know what? I am still 100% on board with the idea of indigenous Gallifreyans being protandrous sequential hermaphrodites, i.e. born male and switching sex to female when the old queen died.

this might part of the reason why tecteun didnt seem fazed at all by regenerating the first time. i mean, it’s the wrong direction, and not exactly in queen-dying circumstances, but if switching sex like that is normal.

also, it’s been talked about how the doctor’s regeneration might be so bad because theirs is, like, raw while other timelords got the refined polished version put into them? (and also maybe the fact that a lot of their earlier(/earliest?) regenerations were under traumatic circumstances) well what if the doctor is kinda bad at telepathy because their original species wasnt (as) telepathic, or (as) hivemindy, or in a different way?

and what if like, tecteun needed to communicate with this Child that wasnt in their hivemind? that didnt do telepathy well, or at all? what if gallifreyans started talking to talk to the Child? i realise im digressing from the meta, this is just some angsty headcanon fun to think about :) was tecteun’s lab/the matrix chamber in that crater because it was in tunnels underground?

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today i offer you more self indulgent 13 art... tomorrow? who knows

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you can instantly improve all the matrix chamber scenes in 12x10 by at least 300% by just imagining theyre speaking gallifreyan

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As much as Doctor Who fans like to complain about the Eighth Doctor’s haircut in the tv movie I just think it’s a shame we never saw him put it in a ponytail.. so here’s a quick sketch I did last night to fix that.

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It was Time who took your children! It was Time right from the start!

If it was Time, then I must run them through the heart

Me, drawing one of my ocs? It’s more likely than you think

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a Take: In S12, Thirteen is a literal take on Frankenstein with 13 playing the part of ‘the monster’ and Tecteun as not-doctor-frankenstein, the baby doctor is their Child but actually just their experiment like the monster from Mary Shelley’s book, The Master is Also playing the part of the monster but it’s shone in a different light because of their vastly different personalities meaning that the doctor and master both shed light onto the monster’s struggle in the original text, is he is a monster or not? if he is considered a monster why not Act like one? etc etc but with the master this also goes beyond the Physical interpretation that he is genetically part whatever species the timeless child was because he is also left grappling with Missy’s actions: Was it Me who changed myself or the Doctor? Who am I and what parts of me are Them? But then we get to the total opposite side of the bridge with Yaz who is yes, fully human, but in this season we discover Yaz’s habit of emulating those she respects and admires and basically copying them into her own personality…. There is no literal interpretation of frankenstein’s plight, here, but arguably we could ask ‘Who Is Yaz’ underneath this all. How much is Yasmin Khan and how much is all the personality traits she decided to copy from other people (the police officer who helped her that day, 13, there are probably more lbr). 

S12 is Very ‘Who are you’ in general. The plot is made literal by the timeless child angle, the doctor and the master both playing interpretations of the monster display different reaction to it, and then just for kicks a Literal monster made of parts of other men walks around creating horror and even more monsters who are forced to conform to the original’s wants. Ashad, notably, has free will. Had he not made the Choice to be a monster that hunts down humanity and kills them all would he still be a monster? If you remove the zealotism from him and leave a normal person who just Happens to somebody made of other peoples mismatched body parts, is he still a monster? 

The narrative of the season Actually explicitly says Yes when they deliver his back story, they say even Before his failed conversion he was like this. So we have a normal average person, no funky genetics, no parts, just your average human monster. 

But… The effects of the timeless child being raised in the society that victimized them made them awful as well! They did not start to walk upon the long road of succeeding in decency until the first doctor met Ian and Barbara, everything before this and they’d have been your typical time lord nightmare. This was what Tecteun Made them. Does that make the doctor a monster, they they were raised in the society that victimised them and then forced them to conform, or does it make them the victim? 

There are So many existential questions asked this season, what makes us a monster? If we are parts of all the people around us what is Actually us and what is them? Can i Choose to not be a monster even if everybody thinks i am one or should i just fulfil their expectations? How much do events out of our control shape me in ways that we have no choice over? 

s12 included a lot of people made up of parts of other people and discussed the agency we have as individuals despite that, and how our choices Matter, how we respond to things out of our control Matters. All to the backdrop of an enemy who takes you, strips all of your choices away and Makes you conform. 

The point isn’t that the doctor was frankenstein’s monster, the Point is that when they grow up and learnt better they Choose to not be a monster once they started travelling with humans. The point is the Master could have done Anything when learning this knowledge and decided to be the worst monster he could think up. The point is Ashad was terrible all along, he didn’t become a monster after his failed conversion made him look monstrous, he was terrible all along. The point is Yaz is trying to be Good by taking in parts of other people knowingly to try to spread goodness, and stop terrible things. Frankenstein the book is a lot about choices and this season is just a big take on all of that.  

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