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@nightcolorz is another white fan to block me btw. and @fanwarrior-suffering.

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white ppl will take any tone and topic to claim u directly said 'ur a racist' and block u for it. this is why progress is never made against white fandom. if u can't even have the conversation, how are u gonna keep watching this show. who do u think this show is criticizing.

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this fandom needs to be studied

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all the white ppl blocking this account but still wanting to be in the amc fandom can go straight to fucking hell and burn for all eternity. it's always about stopping nazis and marching with MLK until there's something u can actually take action on and then it's all about prioritizing ur comfort over everyone else's. having the ability to block out an issue and enjoy something otherwise is a privilege. that is white privilege in action. u think anyone else gets to do that?

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"but this may 1st one wasn't known until today, right?" yes, it was, it was sold out in a couple of hours. Last week, I think? Don't remember that well. People discovered it on twitter. It's a screening with the cast (Jacob, Sam and Assad at least, don't know about the others) and a Q&A after.

this is fucking annoying and confusing (not u, the lack of streamlined info by amc about things)

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this is an example where I don't think the intent is to be racist but this is the kind of stuff u have to look at and ask why this is ur first thought.

it's a theatre. we don't know the scenes they're playing yet. we see claudia both on stage and on the streets advertising shit in this outfit. just cuz she's wearing it doesn't mean she's the only actor in that costume. she's just the only one we saw until now. also just cuz she's black and these ppl are white doesn't mean it's them mocking her. they literally all might be in the scene together. it also might be a well known character and they're audience members who wanted to dress up for the show (it's hard to know what the raincoats are for).

like again. I don't think this person was trying to do anything with this post but it's one of those things where it's kind of like "let me prove I'm sympathetic to racism" but then u accidentally made it weirder.

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I think there's some confusion about the events. The tickets that were available again earlier were for the screening on may 1st, everybody could purchase and go. The people who got the invite (Maven and the others) are going to the première of the show on the 30th of april.

okay ur right about the dates. but this may 1st one wasn't known until today, right? it's not even advertised on socials that I'm able to see.

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Anons claiming that they aren’t playing chess (badly) like people on here haven’t seen them pop up in users inboxes over the last year mimicking the language of other users to try and get them to turn on each other, switching up their stories and tactics when the lies don’t stick, but people compare notes, see the repeated phrases, see the slip-ups, they’re not as clever as they think they are. And none of it works on you because they have no information to work with.

"And my guess would be that you could even make a list (not that you would) of the users that the anons have tried and failed to turn you against."

yep

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Follow up: Hopefully the people that got those seats were POC 🙏

we'll see soon ig. maybe. ppl might not want to say shit cuz then they'll be expected to speak for all fans of color and that's overwhelming and stupidly unfair so idk.

see what ppl mean when it's said that only white ppl get to escape into fandom. cuz white ppl get to be excited about this and not expect to get questioned about all of society's problems for going. amc doing this fuckshit now made it impossible for any fans of color to exist in it without being expected to talk about racism and make white ppl feel better about "see it wasn't racist after all!" this shit was still racist and caused a lot of issues that didn't have to be here. two years in too, fucking insanely embarrassing for them.

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I don't have time to get into everything I could here, but let me pull this one part out

this is not a colorblind scene.

when they enter the house, the man looks directly at lestat first when speaking. lestat also steps forward to speak as louis goes off to the side. this is all intentional and motivated by awareness of race and a racist society.

lestat leads most of this conversation for the whole investigation. he's not only physically in front, he's the one doing most of the speaking.

at the end, when louis makes a threat back, look at who the officer is looking at when he mentions going to jail and look whose name comes first when they say "we'll be watching u." louis also avoids making direct eye contact with white ppl any further after that, cuz it could be taken as a threat, while lestat stares dead at them because he can.

louis may have still said this stuff even if he'd been alone in this scene, cuz he's seen speaking to white ppl like this a few times in the show. but u notice how a lot of the time it IS when lestat is present in the same room? connection to lestat's whiteness offers a thin veil of protection along with louis' own wealth, but it still doesn't mean he's a full equal to white ppl. he's only able to live like this in storyville, where he has a reputation as a wealthy business owner, which the show mentions when they go to the opera and u see how he exists there. he still forever has to be v careful how he moves and speaks to white ppl. the way he talks here and the police not outright slurring him or whatever doesn't mean racism is over and the danger is gone. u are meant to still have awareness of how much worse this would be for a black man than a white man. just because they aren't putting it in words doesn't mean it's not there.

this part too

u have to see it in action but when lestat says this, louis visibly panics in his face. financial protection is the only thing he's had that gave him mild defenses against extreme harm from white ppl. lestat without money is still a white man, able to move freely in any society and be seen as intelligent, capable, trustworthy purely by default of being white. he's in town for five seconds and already got a more privileged seat at the table for the card game, even is sitting there first. a game that louis is a regular at in a place louis has always lived. take away louis' money and he loses access to certain spaces, loses access to feigned white politeness, has "nothing of value" to offer in any space, first to be suspected of things, first to die, etc.

even in modern day dubai, even being a much wealthier and powerful vampire, he needs white man daniel molloy to get this story out to ppl. it's v intentional that daniel is a white man here.

race never stops being a part of every decision made in the show, especially by louis.

The post-episode 3 shift

FRESH POST!

So we were talking about how AMC's Interview with the Vampire Season 1 handles their choice of making Louis a black man in the early 1900s. This is a really cool change the show made in its AU version of IWTV, and it brought in a whole lot of subjects to explore that didn't exist in the books, making the TV show a very different work of art. But all the initial ideas for this show came from a cishet white man, and while he down the line had assistance from poc collaborators, I still think the show had areas where it could have done better with regards to some of the story beats, character arcs, and plot progression. The other thread got unwieldy with multiple reblog trees, but it's here for reference: https://www.tumblr.com/elisaintime/748738811357462528/woah-i-must-have-missed-something-why-are-people You can see everyone else's discussion in the notes.

I love discussions like this! Please talk to me about vampire chronicles! I live for it! I'm posting this now because I am disappointed that a few people seem to not be understanding several things I said. Maybe I said it unclearly, or maybe they're projecting and jumping to conclusions.

Kind of like how this poster does:

I deleted/banned every single comment on my videos that talked negatively about the show making Louis and Claudia black or deriding it for trying to be woke (and there were a bunch!). I delete block and ban all forms of hate speech. My channel is absolutely not a safe space for racists or bigots of any kind.

As you can see in the screencap, there is nothing in these comments that is about the race changes. These comments are talking about other changes the show made from the books and don't touch on race at all. The poster who screencapped them is jumping to the conclusion that these commenters liking the books better than the show automatically makes them racist, and that these are racist comments. And this screencap is specifically what I was referencing at the beginning of the other thread. Several people have said this now, that my YT comments section makes a safe space for racists. But these are not racist comments, and there is no evidence that the commenters are racist. This is projection and assumption. If you DO ever notice a racist comment on any of my videos, that I somehow missed, please bring it to my attention so that I can immediately delete and ban the user from ever commenting on my channel again.

But back to the show itself and my critique of it. I'm always here for talking about vampire-related writing! Let's go!

I still stand by what I said in my videos about the few issues I had with the show's scripts. If you watched my videos or follow all I've said about the show here on tumblr or elsewhere, you'll know how excited about this show I've been from the very beginning, how obsessively into it I am, following every aspect of production and behind the scenes news. You may even be in one of the multiple discord servers with me where we talk about the show constantly. There was much I really enjoyed about season 1, which I was outspoken about in my videos, and people keep seeming to forget. My videos had a greater percentage of positivity in them than negativity. But yes, I did have critiques as well, just like I do with every single piece of vampire media I discuss on my channel--it's the entire point of my channel!--and those mostly had to do with inconsistency in the writing.

What I've said is that the DRIVING FORCE of the plot wasn’t about Louis's struggles with chafing against society as a black man after episode 3, not that there was no more racism. I said he was obviously still immersed in systemic racism all around him, which the show showed us with visual details in the background, despite no one talking about them. This is fine, we don't need it spelled out for us. TV is a visual medium, and that's what the images are there for. But my discussion is about his character MOTIVATIONS on a writing level. His want vs need. His goal vs obstacle. If you're unversed on the techniques of story writing and plot structure, I recommend Blake Snyder's book Save the Cat as a crash course. In ep 1-3, for Louis, it was about being respected as a man equal to others among his society, the citizens of New Orleans, his colleagues and business rivals. Fighting for social opportunities that were limited to him because he is black. That story ends with episode 3 and a new story begins. I’m not saying this is a bad thing. I just said I NOTICED it.

After it all burns down, Louis stops focusing on society respecting him as a human being (which was ironic to begin with, because he’s not human anymore) and his driving plot becomes about making and keeping a family and such. Obviously race is still an element of that in a mixed marriage, but it’s not about his business or social standing anymore, these parts of his life that were SO IMPORTANT to him in the first three episodes. In the books, vampires stop caring about that kind of stuff the second they are made, but the show changed it to take Louis a few years to get there instead of it happening instantly.

Obviously racism doesn't magically disappear or stop mattering once he accepts his vampire nature (which Lestat kind of promises him it will), but it does shift to being a background element for what we see on screen. He is not focused on it anymore, when it used to be the primary driving force of his plot. We hardly even get to see Louis interact with (racist) society again til the finale (and I made this observation on episode 5, which the end-of-episode credits told us was written by a white person). For example, the police that come to their door are bigoted to him and Lestat because they’re gay, but meanwhile, they act completely colorblind. At this point, Louis’s character motivations are about fear of them being caught for murder, and his emotions regarding how Claudia is struggling with her eternal child body and lashing out--about keeping his family together. Not about his racial struggles as a businessman and citizen in outward society.

Yes, we all know there were non-white people in the writer’s room (thank god! Can you imagine?? If there weren’t any, we’d all have been raging from the very beginning! Did you read RJ’s episode 1 script draft before it got revised with the input of black/queer/female editors? OOF), but the choice to completely shift Louis’s driving character motivations away from his impassioned societal race struggle to something different after 3 episodes was part of the original season outline made by white people before any poc were brought on to the team. 

And again, I didn’t say it was a bad thing, it was just something I NOTICED, and the way the show executed it felt very abrupt and clunky. Did I want the cops to not be colorblind and get in some racial digs and microaggressions while they were at Louis’s house? Ew no. But I did NOTICE that they didn’t do that, and how it was so different from the way Louis was spoken to by white people in the first 3 episodes. Did the white writer of this episode perhaps feel uncomfortable going there?

The season told two different stories for Louis, with an abrupt turn in the arc after episode 3. It didn’t feel like an arc at all, but a sharp angle. Starting with Claudia, Louis’s primary drives and character motivations completely change. He no longer wants to be an important businessman respected in society, he becomes “the housewife,” and never once seems to miss his desperately-fought-for social status at all. This comes back to what I said about the show being weakened by trying to shove in too much book stuff. Ep1-3 were all these cool new original ideas from the show with Louis having entirely new character motivations based on the show's changes to his background. They were naturally driven by what him being black in 1910 now meant. But after that story was done, it abruptly shifts back to more of how he in in the books, and trying to suddenly pull him back to his book personality/motivations/goals after giving us this whole new organically-evolved self in 1-3 was notable. I noticed it.

All in all, I think it probably would have worked much better on a writing level if it was treated as two separate mini seasons instead of presenting itself as an attempt at one coherent whole.  

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They must’ve heard y’all cause they opened up more seats

(link from follow up anon)

it's sold out now but hmmmm interesting development

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Just wanted to add on to the other white anon who said they've learned a lot from your blog. I used to be in the camp of book fans who were upset about "changes" made to Lestat's character in the show and didn't understand some of the criticism of white fans from POC fans, but following your blog and others like yours the past couple years, along with reading books irl and educating myself has really opened my eyes to my own unconscious bias and limited ability to recognize some forms of racism. Shouldn't have to be someone like you exposing yourself to all this harassment in order for white people to get the message, but I wanted to thank you for doing it anyway

Its been said before but this fandom is such a tangled mess of fans who got involved really young and imprinted on these characters as a way to process their own trauma and I think that's a big reason why some people have such a hard time reevaluating their interpretation of the books as adults. Not an excuse for their behavior tho

"Forgot to add this to my last ask but your recent interactions with maven in particular were really eye opening for me. I actually unfollowed you for like a day after I read your first exchange with her bc it really seemed like an unwarranted attack to my eyes at first and she seemed so open to talking about the issue and fixing it. But as things progressed and I saw a response from another blog breaking down the exact places in one of her posts where she was hiding behind her privilege, refusing to consider that she can't see the racism in her behavior etc it all clicked for me

Anyway thank you again for taking the time and standing up to these people. It really is making a difference"

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it's so interesting to witness just the lack of understanding of the difference between racist work (ar books) and a work that contains/deals with racism (the show) among your troll anons this is the fundamental distinction

white supremacy does this on purpose btw. because if u keep white ppl confused about what's the "right" type of racism to talk about, coddle the discomfort white ppl feel when seeing this shit for real and say "it's okay, racism is over, this is just attention seeking bs," then u can keep up the protective lie that there's nothing to examine or do. u can say it's okay to keep doing nothing, this isn't a real problem. this is what happens in the real world every day and it's not a coincidence that fandom reflects this too.

some ppl can't hear the books are racist because it makes *them* feel racist. it happened live right here. u can read racist shit and not be racist. plenty of book ppl are able to do that. but then u have the type who needs everything to be "pure" from the start, so they'll come at u saying anne rice wrote critically about slavery and all kinds of other shit when it's v clear she did not lol. they just have to believe that so much to feel like good ppl for liking the books. girl it's easier to just say shit's racist and call it a day.

and the show makes white ppl uncomfortable cuz ppl weren't expecting it to be so black and show white french lestat as the ignorant white european he is, the ignorant white partner he is. so now it's ooc and an AU (when did u ever call the film or play an AU, it's only an AU when it's black ppl?? okay) and assurance that we won't have to talk about race anymore soon cuz it'll be the white man speaking and telling "the truth."

white supremacy rly got everyone fucked up and then they hate a bitch who gets loud about it. ppl know what they're doing when they say this stuff. they're stupid but they're also intentionally weaponizing stupidity to be racist.

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You talk about people playing chess when no one is doing anything of the sort. If anything it’s you just trying to start drama and get everyone mad at each other while being a hypocrite in the meantime. You got mad at that one anon calling Anne a pedophile after you reblogged a post pointing out her grossness and say it’s all rumors while also calling Anne abusive when you have no proof of that either. You say people are obsessed with Maven but you’re the one in the tags about her constantly and in the tags about other blogs as well making the entire fandom aware about your drama. You talk about how this space is small because of those gatekeepers as if you aren’t unwelcoming as well. Get some perspective.

all this is trying to do is distract from the fact this fandom is abusive and racist af. it's not "drama" it's "racism." ur talking about me exposing the fandom's racism and making u all uncomfortable. ur blaming me for behavior u all do already and are mad that ur getting in return now. ur also mad that u can't threaten me with anything because there's nothing else on this account but exposing u. ur mad because I make u feel stupid and powerless and have support doing it too. to play along and respond some to ur points tho. here's one v small thing about anne rice and how she treated her own fans. that's only SOME stories, there's a lot more. she famously attacked the 1994 film *of her own story* as it was filming and pissed literally *everyone* off, had to be removed from interacting with them anymore, and her influence on stans made filming a nightmare......just because she didn't like tom cruise (and she blamed her fans for inspiring this in her too, couldn't even own her own shit). she defended paula deen for saying the N word, she defended antisemitism, she beefed with the popeye's guy cuz of her fictional books?? (she wanted to own property he ended up owning and was mad about it, that's rly what it was all about [end of this article]).

let me pull this part out from the movie link so u can rly hear it from the producer of her film: "Geffen echoed the sentiment, accusing Rice of displaying an attitude of "self-importance" and characterizing her attacks as unkind, indiscreet, and unprofessional."

here's ur proof and it's not even all of it :)

and ur trying to put blame on me to make white woman maven a victim, which is an age old racist thing to do that white women luv doing. "how could I ever cause harm lil ol me 🥺" why don't u go read about emmett till and think about ur life choices here. here's an article about how white women weaponize this shit all the time, to give u a quick link and never say I didn't do shit for u.

none of us would even know about shit with maven if she hadn't posted about it herself to brag about it. when has this bitch ever been in the show tags before? and when she shows up what is the topic about? oh look it's all about her. she's the one who brought attention to this in the first place so jot that down btw.

she chooses to post on youtube and open her mouth about these things. she chooses to be stupid about racial topics and claim to be an expert on things. she chooses to speak in a v condescendingly racist, white woman way when she talks to me, as if she's trying to help soooo much and she's soooo nice and I'm just so big and mean :( :( that's overt racism but half of u are still gonna act stupid about it like u rly can't see it. she is not meeting anyone halfway, she is throwing her black friends around and keeping the focus on her. she is not listening. she has no intention to listen. she's trying to save her own image to keep viewers and a paycheck. if she doesn't want to hear real shit then she can get off youtube, she can get out of here, she can stick to her white ass lane. u can't pin this on other ppl reacting to things that are worth criticizing, but that's all anne rice taught u to do so I'm sorry ur so fucking stupid still as adults. get well soon!!!!!

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no it ain't copy and paste. And you do talk about Jacob like this. and you even defended Sam Reid. I think you the dumbass bc you want to be out here trying to expose racists by supporting a show that is racists. The gd answer is simple. Don't support it in any shape or form fake twat.

k lol

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Some of these anons thinking they’re playing 5D chess

I wonder where it comes from............

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AAVE fail anon try again

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