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Do not let gamers near nonbinary characters

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Good afternoon. I miss Ena. And Deltarune

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Trying to explain to deltarune general audience that No, Asgore doesn't have a shadow crystal, and No, rudy and carol aren't divorced, and No, Kris didn't swoon slash Susie and Ralsei literally WHAT IS EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT

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deltarune hype reminded me of this one bit from the spamton event thing they did a few years back again i genuinely think abt it all thefucking time

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Just teared up when A Cybers World came.up on my playlists shuffle

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I find it very odd that people think Noelle genuinely believes her friendship with Kris was forced, as if she isn’t on ridiculous amounts of copium rn.

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Ok. I'm about to talk about something that... maybe everyone else has already completely put together 😭😭 BUT I haven't seen much discussion of these kinds of ideas so let's just get into it anyway HEHE!! So:

I think I understand the Forgotten Man in Chapter 3.

Firstly, something that's always made me (and my friend. Shoutout if you see this) wonder, ever since I first played Ch3, is how this Shuttah says that TV World used to look like.... Undertale. Like they say it used to be Undertale. Preceded by a line that was something like "There used to be the great wilderness here:"

.....Like. Okay. Undertale. That's Undertale. Like.... Why? .....Hello?????

And then they say:

Which i always found Very interesting. All the Dark Worlds we've seen thus far showed no signs of ever having, I guess, a "history" before their civilizations were built. It seemed as if Card Castle popped into existence already being made up of its original four kingdoms, for example.

So the concept of a Dark World that started out as just wilderness and THEN grew its civilization BECAUSE of Tenna, like it's TENNA that created the world's structure and civilization, just seemed very strange and fascinating?

(How tragic is it that Tenna spearheaded the building of TV World and all its society, possibly as a way to keep the Dreemurrs entertained and happy, only for that, too, to become obsolete and forgotten eventually? Just like the wilderness he apparently built it on top of?)

But no matter. Because I think I get it now. I get All of it.

Let's cut to Mancountry/the Forgotten Island, the last remnant of any "wilderness" we see in all of TV World, where the Man says:

I guess I do question if when he says "the whole world looked like this" he means that it was like... A video game??? Or everything was green???? Or just in a general sense that it was more wild???? Or maybe all of the above. Because either way, the whole world used to be Undertale. For some reason.

I think the Forgotten Man and the Shuttah are talking about what the Dark World looked like before the Dreemurrs bought the TV and brought Tenna home. Or, maybe they're describing what the world used to look like before Tenna frequently began to be watched by the family...? One of the two.

But, crucially, I also think this is a representation of Kris having grown up and lost the light and wonder of their childhood. A representation told a little bit through our experience as players, too.

Because Undertale is something the large majority of Deltarune players obviously have a lot of nostalgia for. Once upon a time, when many of us were children, the whole world was a frozen waste, a watery basin, a metal desert; it was a great wilderness, with no infrastructure to force you into society, nothing to force you into contracts or societal obligations or anything of the sort.

But overtime, we had no choice but to grow older and watch as ourselves and the world around us changed. The new things we had to focus on in life, the boring things, the mundane things; all of these things were built over the time we spent loving Undertale without a worry in the world.

Of course, this is a bit of a dramatization, I know none of us... Forgot about Undertale to the point of having to be reminded about it by a Childhood trauma Tree man????? But still You get what i mean hopefully LOL

And again, the same goes for Kris, even though they have no frame of reference for the descriptions of what TV World used to be. We know the Forgotten Man has SOME kind of connection to them personally, as well as their childhood. After all, the Forgotten Man says "the whole world used to look like this," and then says:

So not only can he only speak in Kris's Dark World, he can only speak in the last remnant of the nostalgic wilderness that used to be their Dark World's entire landscape. Yeah that feels pretty supportive of this idea I think LOL

The whole world used to look like this: wild, free, barren of reminders of the things that have gone wrong or all the things that have changed. Maybe it all used to look like the video games little Kris enjoyed... the ones they inadvertently played with Ramb. But either way, it was childhood innocence, plain and simplistic fun.

Hell, not only is the island the last remnant of the wilderness, it's the only place that seems to house the people who never joined Tenna's contract, the Seven Flying Aces. Based on what the Shuttah says about how people who didn't like Tenna's change left, I think the Aces might've been some of those people. Especially since Kris apparently lost them in the couch, maybe them leaving and not joining the contract is the Dark World's representation of that.

Either way... as Kris grew older, as some kinds of strange and terrible things happened to them and their life never improved again, all of the simplistic innocence that used to exist here began to disappear.

In TV world, Society was built over the wild: boring things, contracts, jobs, a world that is organized and trying to be fresh and conform to the present day, and yet is desperately clinging to the way things used to be.

In the real world, what was built on top of the wild was boring, hard for a child to understand, yet life-altering all the same. Maybe it was struggles with money as Kris's father lost his job; divorce proceedings and custody arrangements; their brother leaving for college. Either way, in both worlds, things continued to change until all that was left of what used to be was this single island.

Kris never seems to talk much about their childhood, anyway. Noelle reminisces so much about all the things they did together whenever she's around them, but we have no indication that Kris ever says anything similar, or ever presents memories of their own.

I doubt they like talking about it. They'd probably rather this island not be here at all, with how they have apparently forgot the Man countless times before. But no matter what the deal is, there's at least SOME part of them that still wishes they could go back to these times. If there wasn't, why would the Man appear and speak at all?

And if the Forgotten Man does have some kind of connection to whatever traumatic events they've suffered, as I think is extremely likely, We already know that no matter how hard they try, they "can never wash it all away."

And at the end of it all...

It's unclear how soon he means by "soon" because just prior to this dialogue, the Man says "But one day, this island will disappear, too." The phrasing of "one day" versus "soon" does seem confusing and brings to mind different time frames... But change can come in sudden and unexpected ways, after all.

Either way, the world marches on. Forgotten Island is the last haven for those who didn't join Tenna's contract, the last group of people who refused to join the march of changing times. The last reminder of the times we spent with Undertale when we were young, But try as one might, no one can escape the march of time forever.

But even if this island will disappear one day, that doesn't mean it'll be the end of good times you had like when you were a child.

Kris may not understand this yet... But no matter how much is built around the places you grew up, no matter how much you try to forget everything the reminders of your past, no matter how much things change, no matter how much you've moved away from Undertale:

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Working a horseback riding summer camp this week. One of the kids' activities was painting horseshoes. So what could i have done besides paint a Friend Themed Horseshoe

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@creepywing My swag mutual, you requested a Friend Deltarune Tl;Dr and I simply had to jump on the opportunity ... On account of how my deltarune obsession has reached the point where i just want to repeat information about the game to people.

So to all my adoring fans: thank you. And to creepy: here is my patented Friend Tl;Dr ^_^

SO! Friend is a... Thing?? Character????? Mostly relegated to ominous 2 second appearances in the backgrounds of certain rooms and in random unexplainable secrets.

The first of these cases is in Chapter 2, where This face shows up in one of the dark zones in Queen's basement. This face in the files is labelled "IMAGE_FRIEND" or "DEVICE_FRIEND", one of the two (I don't rememberrrrrrrrr), hence where we've gotten the Friend name.

Its next in-game appearances are in Chapter 3, where in the beginning cutscene of Ralsei explaining Dark Worlds, this fucking thing which is literally just Friend on Endogeny but as a cat shows up and then Fnaf jumpscares the camera for some fucking reason.

Then, in the fight with the enemy that gives you the Shadow Mantle, they just like... summon Friends. This just happens. They play the same "laughing" sound as Friendogeny does. For some reason. Interestingly, though, these little Friend sprites aren't labelled with "Friend" or anything in the files; there's a deliberate blank space where their name should be.

But, even before This, there are some secret rooms you can find at the end of the first Mantle game. And... What's in them, you ask? What's in this creepypasta ass bullshit?

Friend

And maybe most bizarrely of all in my opinion, Friend has one more indisputable appearance in Chapter 4. If you look closely in one of the dark area mazes, you can see...

Friend does also have some relevance in the Spamton Sweepstakes. For context, previous pages in the Sweepstakes mentioned a game called Cat Petterz which Noelle is/was a big fan of. (It also showed up on the original chair page but that seemed to have just been a tease for the Friendogeny scene)

In https://deltarune.com/rain/, Noelle talks on her blog about some kind of minigame in Cat Petterz where you could click on cats and each cat would raise your score by a random amount. What's weird is that she says she once got a cat which actually Lowered her score, but it seems like no one else has ever seen it...

And in https://deltarune.com/rarecats, you can play this cat minigame for yourself. But, if you have the patience to click 100 cats, then the 100th one... Will literally just be Friend. (..With more pink for some reason?) Friend appears and makes the same laughing sound it does in the chapter 3 Fnaf jumpscare, and then forces you off the page.

(This same exact face also has a small chance to appear in the Mike minigame that seems to be strongly similar to the game Noelle was describing but you can look that up yourself. It hurts my brain.)

So: Basically Friend is just... A thing. It's just a weird fucking thing that shows up and is weird. 😭 That's the surface level Tl;dr LOL. The thing is, as you can imagine there are a LOT... and i mean a LOT of theories about this thing. Hell, there have been for YEARS when all we had was That one creepy ass face in the basement!

And I do want to mention a little bit of the theories that have been around for this thing, but I won't get into them that much. 😭😭 The Friendheads just. Lose me sometimes. As i have previously conveyed. Anyway:

So what the hell is this? Experts say: I don't knowwwww. Friend is a cat or cat-like Creature, it seems to appear only in the darkest of dark areas, And it may have some association with negative luck. That's all we really got.

But there is some evidence to suggest Friend is being alluded to in other areas of the game. Most notably is the newly introduced concept of "the Tail of Hell."

This part of the Prophecy is found in a room off the beaten path; the line preceding it is "They'll hear the ring of Heaven's call." So. This is worrying I think. What's interesting is that there's an image in the files of this same graphic of this tail with a distinctive triangular point on it, kinda like a traditional Devil or Demon tail you see in pop culture.

This is worrying in the context of the chapter 4 Egg room, where an NPC nearby the entrance to the room, the entrance to the "art therapy," states:

(when unscrambled) "Lost where the forest would grow, the children followed the pointed tail. Oh, the poor children!"

So like. That's pretty weird. (Another church npc also has battle flavor text which says "The tail which must not be followed.")

Friend comes into play here in a... 😭 Way I think is kind of silly but also can't entirely deny. You see, Noelle states on her blog that the graphics of the Cat Petterz games are such that the cats are all made out of spheres, analogous to the graphics of the real life old Petz computer games.

And the "tail of hell" is very much... Made out of. Circles. Spheres. Like. 😭😭😭😭 That's crazy right.

This whole thing here is something the current theory landscape has become very big on. Especially because "lost where the forest would grow" definitely brings to mind the Shelter, an area of forest with some trees strangely. y'know. Not Growing.

So is Friend.... the Devil??? Is that the tail that was followed by "The Poor Children"???????? The poor children WHO????? Kris, Noelle, Asriel, DESS?????? Following Friend who is also The Devil into the Bunker????????????????? Was this the incident that super ultra disappeared Dess and (as inferred by the egg stuff. Long story.) Traumatized and ruined Kris's life?????????????????????????

We could get even deeper into this if we wanted. For example, I'd have to brush up on my meta knowledge, but Friend being labelled in the files as "DEVICE_FRIEND" is very very strange. Reason being, in the actual files of Deltarune, the term "DEVICE" is used for many of the game's meta aspects, like (IF I RECALL CORRECTLY) the Vessel creator, the Chapter + file select menu, stuff like that. So like. Who invited my man blud?

But I am gonna stop here because you asked for a tldr and um. scratches mu chin. Well this is not that. Sorry creepy 😭😭

There are indeed SO many little things in the game people have taken as Friend foreshadowing or Friend references; There are entire conspiracy boards such as that masterdoc made and probably still updating of this thing. I can't honestly say how much I really believe in all of that—I STILL HAVE SEEN LOTS OF REALLY COMPELLING AND INTERESTING STUFF!! I'm just. Either not always convinced, Or if i don't mention it it's because I don't understand it enough to really relay it here 😭

So like. Friend is a Thing. It's a creepy cat thing. It's in the dark. It has something to do with negative probability and/or luck. And maybe... Cat. Petterz. For some reason. It might be the Devil. It might be Kris and Dess's sleep paralysis demon. It has Spamton colors for some reason I DIDN'T EVEN MENTION THE SPAMTON COLORS.

It has Spamton eyes. Gerson foreshadows Deltarune chapter 5 by calling it "The field of pink and gold." Why. Also one of the Mikes who I hate says this:

"I swear, you people see PINK and YELLOW and think, oh, a FRIEND!! Being a friend doesn't make you them YOURS! Those teeth, they BITE!"

Friend. Friend Outside Me

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my favorite really underrated moment why does no one ever talk about this. tenna swearing at you if you dont hit spamton

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toby fox has done more for this generation's mental health than a lifetime of therapy could ever provide

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Y'all remember the chapter 2 era theories that Kris was just like. Fucking dead. Or. Undead. Or some shit. Because of Susie calling them a zombie like two times . Why

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Did you know that you can waste your free time by not knowing which activity to do so you do none of them

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Ok. I'm about to talk about something that... maybe everyone else has already completely put together 😭😭 BUT I haven't seen much discussion of these kinds of ideas so let's just get into it anyway HEHE!! So:

I think I understand the Forgotten Man in Chapter 3.

Firstly, something that's always made me (and my friend. Shoutout if you see this) wonder, ever since I first played Ch3, is how this Shuttah says that TV World used to look like.... Undertale. Like they say it used to be Undertale. Preceded by a line that was something like "There used to be the great wilderness here:"

.....Like. Okay. Undertale. That's Undertale. Like.... Why? .....Hello?????

And then they say:

Which i always found Very interesting. All the Dark Worlds we've seen thus far showed no signs of ever having, I guess, a "history" before their civilizations were built. It seemed as if Card Castle popped into existence already being made up of its original four kingdoms, for example.

So the concept of a Dark World that started out as just wilderness and THEN grew its civilization BECAUSE of Tenna, like it's TENNA that created the world's structure and civilization, just seemed very strange and fascinating?

(How tragic is it that Tenna spearheaded the building of TV World and all its society, possibly as a way to keep the Dreemurrs entertained and happy, only for that, too, to become obsolete and forgotten eventually? Just like the wilderness he apparently built it on top of?)

But no matter. Because I think I get it now. I get All of it.

Let's cut to Mancountry/the Forgotten Island, the last remnant of any "wilderness" we see in all of TV World, where the Man says:

I guess I do question if when he says "the whole world looked like this" he means that it was like... A video game??? Or everything was green???? Or just in a general sense that it was more wild???? Or maybe all of the above. Because either way, the whole world used to be Undertale. For some reason.

I think the Forgotten Man and the Shuttah are talking about what the Dark World looked like before the Dreemurrs bought the TV and brought Tenna home. Or, maybe they're describing what the world used to look like before Tenna frequently began to be watched by the family...? One of the two.

But, crucially, I also think this is a representation of Kris having grown up and lost the light and wonder of their childhood. A representation told a little bit through our experience as players, too.

Because Undertale is something the large majority of Deltarune players obviously have a lot of nostalgia for. Once upon a time, when many of us were children, the whole world was a frozen waste, a watery basin, a metal desert; it was a great wilderness, with no infrastructure to force you into society, nothing to force you into contracts or societal obligations or anything of the sort.

But overtime, we had no choice but to grow older and watch as ourselves and the world around us changed. The new things we had to focus on in life, the boring things, the mundane things; all of these things were built over the time we spent loving Undertale without a worry in the world.

Of course, this is a bit of a dramatization, I know none of us... Forgot about Undertale to the point of having to be reminded about it by a Childhood trauma Tree man????? But still You get what i mean hopefully LOL

And again, the same goes for Kris, even though they have no frame of reference for the descriptions of what TV World used to be. We know the Forgotten Man has SOME kind of connection to them personally, as well as their childhood. After all, the Forgotten Man says "the whole world used to look like this," and then says:

So not only can he only speak in Kris's Dark World, he can only speak in the last remnant of the nostalgic wilderness that used to be their Dark World's entire landscape. Yeah that feels pretty supportive of this idea I think LOL

The whole world used to look like this: wild, free, barren of reminders of the things that have gone wrong or all the things that have changed. Maybe it all used to look like the video games little Kris enjoyed... the ones they inadvertently played with Ramb. But either way, it was childhood innocence, plain and simplistic fun.

Hell, not only is the island the last remnant of the wilderness, it's the only place that seems to house the people who never joined Tenna's contract, the Seven Flying Aces. Based on what the Shuttah says about how people who didn't like Tenna's change left, I think the Aces might've been some of those people. Especially since Kris apparently lost them in the couch, maybe them leaving and not joining the contract is the Dark World's representation of that.

Either way... as Kris grew older, as some kinds of strange and terrible things happened to them and their life never improved again, all of the simplistic innocence that used to exist here began to disappear.

In TV world, Society was built over the wild: boring things, contracts, jobs, a world that is organized and trying to be fresh and conform to the present day, and yet is desperately clinging to the way things used to be.

In the real world, what was built on top of the wild was boring, hard for a child to understand, yet life-altering all the same. Maybe it was struggles with money as Kris's father lost his job; divorce proceedings and custody arrangements; their brother leaving for college. Either way, in both worlds, things continued to change until all that was left of what used to be was this single island.

Kris never seems to talk much about their childhood, anyway. Noelle reminisces so much about all the things they did together whenever she's around them, but we have no indication that Kris ever says anything similar, or ever presents memories of their own.

I doubt they like talking about it. They'd probably rather this island not be here at all, with how they have apparently forgot the Man countless times before. But no matter what the deal is, there's at least SOME part of them that still wishes they could go back to these times. If there wasn't, why would the Man appear and speak at all?

And if the Forgotten Man does have some kind of connection to whatever traumatic events they've suffered, as I think is extremely likely, We already know that no matter how hard they try, they "can never wash it all away."

And at the end of it all...

It's unclear how soon he means by "soon" because just prior to this dialogue, the Man says "But one day, this island will disappear, too." The phrasing of "one day" versus "soon" does seem confusing and brings to mind different time frames... But change can come in sudden and unexpected ways, after all.

Either way, the world marches on. Forgotten Island is the last haven for those who didn't join Tenna's contract, the last group of people who refused to join the march of changing times. The last reminder of the times we spent with Undertale when we were young, But try as one might, no one can escape the march of time forever.

But even if this island will disappear one day, that doesn't mean it'll be the end of good times you had like when you were a child.

Kris may not understand this yet... But no matter how much is built around the places you grew up, no matter how much you try to forget everything the reminders of your past, no matter how much things change, no matter how much you've moved away from Undertale:

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I wish that if people are gonna portray Ralsei as evil they would characterize him correctly instead of the cliche ass “muahaha I was just pretending to be cute and friendly I was evil this whole time”. if he was a villain he would still be the most insecure little loser about it and try to sincerely convince Kris that. nevermind I just found the funniest image ever

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Ok. I'm about to talk about something that... maybe everyone else has already completely put together 😭😭 BUT I haven't seen much discussion of these kinds of ideas so let's just get into it anyway HEHE!! So:

I think I understand the Forgotten Man in Chapter 3.

Firstly, something that's always made me (and my friend. Shoutout if you see this) wonder, ever since I first played Ch3, is how this Shuttah says that TV World used to look like.... Undertale. Like they say it used to be Undertale. Preceded by a line that was something like "There used to be the great wilderness here:"

.....Like. Okay. Undertale. That's Undertale. Like.... Why? .....Hello?????

And then they say:

Which i always found Very interesting. All the Dark Worlds we've seen thus far showed no signs of ever having, I guess, a "history" before their civilizations were built. It seemed as if Card Castle popped into existence already being made up of its original four kingdoms, for example.

So the concept of a Dark World that started out as just wilderness and THEN grew its civilization BECAUSE of Tenna, like it's TENNA that created the world's structure and civilization, just seemed very strange and fascinating?

(How tragic is it that Tenna spearheaded the building of TV World and all its society, possibly as a way to keep the Dreemurrs entertained and happy, only for that, too, to become obsolete and forgotten eventually? Just like the wilderness he apparently built it on top of?)

But no matter. Because I think I get it now. I get All of it.

Let's cut to Mancountry/the Forgotten Island, the last remnant of any "wilderness" we see in all of TV World, where the Man says:

I guess I do question if when he says "the whole world looked like this" he means that it was like... A video game??? Or everything was green???? Or just in a general sense that it was more wild???? Or maybe all of the above. Because either way, the whole world used to be Undertale. For some reason.

I think the Forgotten Man and the Shuttah are talking about what the Dark World looked like before the Dreemurrs bought the TV and brought Tenna home. Or, maybe they're describing what the world used to look like before Tenna frequently began to be watched by the family...? One of the two.

But, crucially, I also think this is a representation of Kris having grown up and lost the light and wonder of their childhood. A representation told a little bit through our experience as players, too.

Because Undertale is something the large majority of Deltarune players obviously have a lot of nostalgia for. Once upon a time, when many of us were children, the whole world was a frozen waste, a watery basin, a metal desert; it was a great wilderness, with no infrastructure to force you into society, nothing to force you into contracts or societal obligations or anything of the sort.

But overtime, we had no choice but to grow older and watch as ourselves and the world around us changed. The new things we had to focus on in life, the boring things, the mundane things; all of these things were built over the time we spent loving Undertale without a worry in the world.

Of course, this is a bit of a dramatization, I know none of us... Forgot about Undertale to the point of having to be reminded about it by a Childhood trauma Tree man????? But still You get what i mean hopefully LOL

And again, the same goes for Kris, even though they have no frame of reference for the descriptions of what TV World used to be. We know the Forgotten Man has SOME kind of connection to them personally, as well as their childhood. After all, the Forgotten Man says "the whole world used to look like this," and then says:

So not only can he only speak in Kris's Dark World, he can only speak in the last remnant of the nostalgic wilderness that used to be their Dark World's entire landscape. Yeah that feels pretty supportive of this idea I think LOL

The whole world used to look like this: wild, free, barren of reminders of the things that have gone wrong or all the things that have changed. Maybe it all used to look like the video games little Kris enjoyed... the ones they inadvertently played with Ramb. But either way, it was childhood innocence, plain and simplistic fun.

Hell, not only is the island the last remnant of the wilderness, it's the only place that seems to house the people who never joined Tenna's contract, the Seven Flying Aces. Based on what the Shuttah says about how people who didn't like Tenna's change left, I think the Aces might've been some of those people. Especially since Kris apparently lost them in the couch, maybe them leaving and not joining the contract is the Dark World's representation of that.

Either way... as Kris grew older, as some kinds of strange and terrible things happened to them and their life never improved again, all of the simplistic innocence that used to exist here began to disappear.

In TV world, Society was built over the wild: boring things, contracts, jobs, a world that is organized and trying to be fresh and conform to the present day, and yet is desperately clinging to the way things used to be.

In the real world, what was built on top of the wild was boring, hard for a child to understand, yet life-altering all the same. Maybe it was struggles with money as Kris's father lost his job; divorce proceedings and custody arrangements; their brother leaving for college. Either way, in both worlds, things continued to change until all that was left of what used to be was this single island.

Kris never seems to talk much about their childhood, anyway. Noelle reminisces so much about all the things they did together whenever she's around them, but we have no indication that Kris ever says anything similar, or ever presents memories of their own.

I doubt they like talking about it. They'd probably rather this island not be here at all, with how they have apparently forgot the Man countless times before. But no matter what the deal is, there's at least SOME part of them that still wishes they could go back to these times. If there wasn't, why would the Man appear and speak at all?

And if the Forgotten Man does have some kind of connection to whatever traumatic events they've suffered, as I think is extremely likely, We already know that no matter how hard they try, they "can never wash it all away."

And at the end of it all...

It's unclear how soon he means by "soon" because just prior to this dialogue, the Man says "But one day, this island will disappear, too." The phrasing of "one day" versus "soon" does seem confusing and brings to mind different time frames... But change can come in sudden and unexpected ways, after all.

Either way, the world marches on. Forgotten Island is the last haven for those who didn't join Tenna's contract, the last group of people who refused to join the march of changing times. The last reminder of the times we spent with Undertale when we were young, But try as one might, no one can escape the march of time forever.

But even if this island will disappear one day, that doesn't mean it'll be the end of good times you had like when you were a child.

Kris may not understand this yet... But no matter how much is built around the places you grew up, no matter how much you try to forget everything the reminders of your past, no matter how much things change, no matter how much you've moved away from Undertale: