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↳ Batman #145

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Zdarsky fell in the Joker/Zur ship, and we are powerless to stop him. ↳ Batman #145

IMHO: But seriously, I see a man deeply lonely, looking for someone who could share his burden with him. Zdarsky said that Zur is pure Batman. Zur has no time for anything other than being Batman. Zur will not devote time to Selina, the batfamily, which means all the attention of this Batman is focused only on what the Joker and his ilk are doing.

I also laugh because if everything that happens was the Joker's plan from the beginning, then the shared cell is too.

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or??🧐

↳ Batman #145

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↳ Batman #144 (Spoiler)

Of course, Zdarsky is a jerk with his one-sided relationship, but I can't deny that my heart has seized up. Given Bruce's anger at the moment at the completely jokerized Gotham and family, Bruce's denial and troubles with the head, Zdarsky`s desire to highlight all words except "hate" (this may be due, among other things, to DC politics, it’s really bad, batcat is prescribed in a too "normal", "sugary" way, I don`t see in Zdarsky a person who would like and could prescribe a batcat, and DC won't let write a mutual batjokes), I think it's fine

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You know, i've been thinking about the way Batman keeps danger and weapons so close to his body, so tight to himself, practically tied around his neck, that joker often has no way left but to grab for him if he wants something Batman has. Batman does not want to be left out of Joker's plans, his story, he wants in on Joker's narrative by any means he can make it happen. It's such particular "you take me with you wherever you are, it's your punishment, just as it's my punishment to take you with me wherever i am" statement. Batman actively leaves no choice for Joker but to get very very close to him and claim him as part of his win or his loss. I mean,

he didn't have to. he could've put the key in one of his waist pouches, push it into the back of his left boot, he could've tied it around his bicep, i dont care— he could've done whateverthefuck with it. But he had to put it around his neck, and intentionally invite Joker to "come and get it". Something something classic cliche of the way lovers' bond is signified by a necklace-adjacent item and the way they interact with it; hold unto it, toss it, tie it around their necks, giving it back, not giving it back, necklaces as items of reverance and revenge. Something something a tie around neck being a sign of being claimed and owned,

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Merry Little Batman (2023)

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2023 Batjokes Secret Santa

It’s mid-November, so it's time to start up the next Batjokes Secret Santa!

Here's how it works:

Sign up by filling out the Google form linked below, indicating what kind of batjokes fic or art you’re willing to create and what you’d like to receive.

Once sign-ups are closed, I’ll assign people to each other using their responses. About a week later, you’ll receive an email with information about your giftee. (Your giftee will NOT be the person creating a gift for you.)

Everyone works on their gifts in secret until December 24-26, when people post their gifts and reveal themselves.

I want to stress that you should only sign up if you’re sure you can create a gift in the time allotted. Guardrails to avoid last-minute dropouts, guidelines for the gifts, and other rules are noted in the Google form:

~ Batjokes Secret Santa Survey ~

Sign-ups close on November 19. Assignments will go out on November 25.

This is open to all batjokes fandom; feel free to not just reblog but share the link on your Twitter, IG, etc. (Tumblr is the only social media I have, so it would help spread the word.)

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Joker and Martha

A friend of mine said that DC should have made Martha Wayne Catwoman instead of the Joker in Flashpoint because, it made more sense to parallel Thomas and Martha with Bruce and Selina because, of them being romantic partners but, I disagree. Martha even prior to Flashpoint had a lot of things in common with the Joker, both suffered from mental illness at a young age and were admitted to Arkham. As shown in “the Batman 2022” and “the Further Adventures of the Joker”, both completely lost their minds when they lost their child, Martha in Flashpoint and Joker in “Gotham Knights #54”,

they both love their respective Batman and constantly hurt them due to this warped sense of love Martha in “Flashpoint” and Joker in “Europa”, both self harmed themselves to prove a point to their Batman Martha in “Flashpoint” and Joker in “A Death of the Family”

both were jealous of Catwoman and shot her. Martha in “Flashpoint” and Joker in “Prelude to the Wedding”.

The only person who could make them cry was their respective Batman Martha in “Flashpoint” Joker in “Joker War” the similarities between them don’t stop there.

Both like reading in their spare time, both like purple, both have a set of pearls for special occasions, Bruce is the most important person in both of their lives, both dabble in art, both play the piano, both speak French, both had curly hair, both like to dance, both loved to go see plays, sadly both shared the same bleak philosophy of life after their child’s death.

Not only this but, the few times they met in comics the two instantly bonded. In “I am a Gun” Martha is very sympathetic with the Joker and consoles him by stating her son will help him, then encourages Bruce to do so. In “Streets of Gotham” Martha instantly takes a liking to a young Joker. She cares for him and keeps him with her at the clinic. The young Joker is so found of Martha that he risks his own life to save her and, ends up suffering a faith worse than death for doing so. As for Martha and Catwoman the only thing they have in common are the pearls Catwoman stole from Wayne Manor were originally Martha’s as seen in “Catwoman New 52”.

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Chip's Selina: I don't want to talk to him, he doesn't listen to anyone

Chip's Marquise: but he's pulling our operation apart piece by piece

Chip`s Selina: …okay, but only for the sake of the plan

Tini`s Selina: bat, I came because I was worried about you!😩

It's so out of the general narrative.

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Was The Batman and The Joker relationship different in the golden age?

I understand that it’s hard to accept that Batman might actually have feeling for the Joker, but apparently it’s the truth. so let’s jump right into it. first i’m going to bounce straight to the golden age comics. People claimed that The Joker did not enjoy the game. That the Joker only desire was to get rid of the Batman. The only thing that was important to him was murdering and stealing. He cared nothing about the cat and mouse game.  The Joker only kill when it's funny. He doesn't just kill, and that's my opinion, but I'm about to  prove you wrong about their dance. In the issue of Batman 57#  The Joker encounters Batman. They're both fighting each other, and let's just say the Joker gets the upper hand, then wins, and he ties the dark Knight up to a trap. He’s now  about to removes the Batman's mask, but Batman reminds him that "He won't be able to chase him anymore" Which led to the Joker not removing the mask. Batman also used the words chase rather than fight. The Joker also goes on to say. "I didn’t think about that. "i’ll miss our duels and wits" which made me believe that the Joker already figured he was going to escape, probably.  Why else would he need to reflect on what they’ll do next time. He could take the mask off of him right now ? he’s so positive that Batman’s going to die, why are you worrying about his secret identity when he’s going to die anyways ? unless the Joker figures maybe there’s a chance he will escape, or maybe he likes it a secret. Batman issue #12 the Joker straps Batman down to a spinning wheel that spins really fast, after he turns the spinning wheel on. He immediately hates the idea of Batman dying like that, and lets him get away free once again. In the issue of  detective comics issue #62 the Joker is about to detach the Batman’s mask, again, but immediately changes his mind reflecting on later, also in this issue The Joker openly admits saying "i enjoy the wits. the hunt. the chase" implying the cat and mouse game him and the Batman plays, so The Joker does like the game. He enjoys it, and he'll let the Batman secret stay safe so he could dance with his bat. In issue of  Batman #32  the Joker has Batman tie up, again, but it's to a wooden chair _ while he reads a newspaper. He goes on to say " i’ll depose of you eventually" leaving Batman to escape once again. heavily implying he doesn’t want Batman dead right now, as well In the issue of batman # 7 the Joker asks batman "What kept him" and that goes back to what I said earlier. He waits for him to show up. He might pretend that he doesn't, but his actions proves him wrong. Also in the golden age The Joker says "I would have been disappointed if you hadn't figured it out" the Joker's  outright saying  that he wanted him to figure it out. It tells you right there that  Joker does seeks his attention, even if it's subtle. In  Batman #53 issue. The Joker once again ties Batman up, and oh my goodness. He honestly get tied up so much in the golden age comics, but  in the issue, One of his goons asks "let see who's under the mask" The Joker agrees to remove the mask, and proceeds to take the mask off, but pauses and  stops, and says " it'd ruin the only little fun I have"  He continue to say. "Yes, Batman I'll let your identity remain. A secret for you afford me. The thrill of  Supremes battles of wits  each time we meet" and here I am again saying once again obviously the Joker knew there was a big chance he was going to escape the trap. Why else would he think about another time ? i have no doubt the obsession wasn't there. it was subtle, but in front of our faces, and like I said it wasn't all about the kill. It was also about Batman too. Theses are not things I decided to make up. If you have doubt be welcome to go give the issues a check. Yes, the Joker enjoys the wits. He stated in almost every golden age comics "I can't wait until Batman sees what I got in store" obviously he wanted Batman to know what he was up to.

Most of the times they look like they're having fun. Bruce also liked to irritate him as much as the Joker liked to irritate him.  Batman's already aware of the game we can see. the Joker adores to play. It's the only reason the Dark Knight goes on to say. "At least I won't have to chase you anymore"  knowing the Joker would immediately change his mind, and luckily for bats he did. It's in Batman #57. Do i have to remind you that theses are the golden age comics. Yes, The Joker still cherished the game. it's not only about murdering innocent civilians. I honestly don't  believe he even wanted to kill Batman. I mean he never once killed Batman in the 40's and 50's. Did Batman ever  take the Joker's life. Yes, he did. It was only a couple incidents. I  won't say he just purposely try to kill him, but when they were fighting Batman actually might have kicked him, or punched him, and he could've fallen to to his death, but he honestly never does hardly. Though I already mention this was when the Joker first came in the picture. it wasn’t constant, but When the Joker first came around. I would have to jump head of myself and say that a lot of times the Joker did fall. The dark Knight rarely believe the Joker was dead. He even had times sitting alone that he wonder if the Joker was still alive, even though he heard nothing about him, deep down he missed his Joker, and how do I know that ? Because when he sees the joker alive. He instantly says things like. "It's good to see you again." Nice meeting up with you. "It's been awhile Joker" let's move back to the death's of the  Joker. For example Batman issue #4 Batman says "he always seems to cheat death" let's go on to Batman relationship with his greatest enemy. Batman  issue # 8. Batman decides not to take the Joker's  life. He bring him back to jail. This continually happens now. Did the Batman actually liked the Joker at all in the golden age ? Yes i do believe so. the Batman actually showed signs of missing the Joker, and sometimes when they did meet up he would say "it’s good to see you again Joker," "or the Joker’s mine". "the Joker’s my dish" "i’ll handle the joker." " it’s never a waste chasing you Joker" "it looks like I sort of swept you off your feet." Batman 45. batman #9 batman yells when the Joker is about to be hit by a train. The scream is so loud. I'm just applaud. he also saved the Joker in the first issue of Batman. He goes on to say  "you're too valuable a prize to lose" those words sound more like to a friend then and enemy, and something the dark Knight probably won't even dream of saying now. Batman 13# the Joker says "hello", and Batman reply with "abroad joker"  this honestly seems like the two are playing. Batman #69 Batman finally gets to see the Joker again, after so many months. While Robin did show a suddenly like for the the Joker in the golden age comics. I don't mean that it in any other way, but In the issue. Robin quickly goes to fight the joker, and telling Batman "he's missed the Joker " Batman gets dick Grayson out the way replying "Sorry Robin but the Joker's my personal dish" letting him know once again the Joker is mine. in the golden age. The Batman does  states that "the Joker's mine" constantly for example.The Joker's my meat" it seems like a lot of jokes and fun between the two. yeah, he sure sounds like your enemy batman.

Detective comics # 114 the Joker says "I wasn't expecting you so soon." Which implys he was in fact waiting for the Batman to show up sooner or later, but not so fast, also I would like to say why did the Joker keep Batman alive so long ? He could've shot him, but never does, and if he wants to get rid of Batman so bad in the golden age comics. He could have honestly gotten him out of the way.  Batman #37  later on in the comics you can see Batman's  demeanor towards the Joker is much better than previously. He even says watch out for your step with concern, and then saves him, and  the Joker says "help I'll be hurt" and the dark Knight reply with "I wouldn't want a thing like that happen to you "at the end of this issue Robin asked Batman if you think they'll keep him locked up for good this time, and he replies "Who knows dick. All I know is Batman and Robin will jump at the chance to tangle with him again" Batman enjoys fighting the Joker even though in the newer comics he hates to admit it. Detective # 124 Joker leaves Batman and Robin tied up against the wall, and leaves with his goons. C'mon man you know he's going to escape Joker. Batman issue # 46 the  clown sends Batman a letter which is pretty gay, and has on the bottom love and kisses from the Joker. Batman #52 Batman says "perhaps Bruce Wayne would enjoy being robbed by the Joker." Now we all know this is a set up, but I still love the line nevertheless. Did Batman give the joker what he wanted in the golden age comics to get something from him. Yes, he did. Batman #53  joker "You had your fun. Now give me what I want"  the Joker replied with " you're right Batman I had my fun. You've given me my laughs.  I don't need you anymore " The Joker is in fact saying he did need the Batman but not anymore. Which apparently was to scare Batman. cause when he told his goons to blast him. It's  water guns. Batman #66 Batman openly admits it's a pleasure fighting the joker, and bumping into him. his exact words. " I can't tell you what a pleasure it is bumping into you again, Joker"  he almost sound graceful. The boner thing. I don't even need to go in to detail. You want to read it. It's in Batman 66# the Joker comedy of errors.  Batman #73. Batman says " good fight Joker, but you're finished"  Did he enjoy the fight ?  I think he did, and people who will say Batman was flirty with others. No not like the Joker. Batman #193 the Joker finally gets Batman In his clutches and what do he do to him ? He plays with him, and embarrasses him, but not once tried to kill him while he's with him. He must not be in hurry to kill Batman like some people say.  Detective Comics # 75  Batman shows how much he knows the Joker. He even says  # "my friend"

Also in Batman # 118 Batman is very  worried that the Joker might break his neck while existing the window. Batman also said in Detective comics issue # 91 that he doesn't want to waste The Joker’s time. detective comics #85 the Joker saved Batman from the imposter that's imitating him. in this issue I'm going to point out a  few things in the beginning. Robin tells Batman  that the Joker's "back at it again" and Batman reply with " I'm not so sure dick. It's not like the Joker to beat someone to death with spades and clubs. I think someone is trying to plant murders on the Joker" this gives a great view of how much Batman knows the Joker, even before the new rebirth came out. Batman does want to help the Joker in Batman issue # 2. Batman #71  a crime a day.  Batman says " you're keeping a date with me Joker"  theses  remarks, and comments were flirty. Batman  16 # Batman is surprised that the Joker saved his life. though the madman has lost his memory. Batman has no knowledge of this occurring.  Though Robin believes the Joker only back to his old tricks again. Batman doesn't. He believes maybe the Joker's gotten better, but it shows me how bad Batman really wants that. Batman #19  Batman says "where are you going Joker. The fun is just beginning. " and please remember theses are all from the golden age. Also he goes on to say in this issue " don't tease the animals, and that includes Batman. these remarks, and replies, even saying are flirty, and shows a side of the Joker and Batman relationship already. Batman issues # 20  Batman sticks the Joker on the butt.  though he could have stuck him in any other place. He decides to stick  him on the butt with the spear. Batman sees the Joker as a wise guy. This is mention in Batman # 23. Batman also goes on  to say in this issue at the ending.  "May I have this dance" The Joker says  "I will join in a minute Batman. " Batman also nicknamed the Joker mr funny man. Detective Comics #91  Robin announces to Batman that the Joker finally met his match, and Batman reply with "don't be so sure of that dick. Can't see a guard or convict put anything on him"  Batman thinks very highly of the Joker.  Detective Comics 109 # the  Joker runs towards Batman happily. calling it "touching reunion"  and it  "bought tears to his eyes " You can see how much the Joker actually missed the Batman.

Let's move back to the other villains issues. First I would like to point out that Batman did not interact with the other villains like this in the golden age comics. I'm going  to begin with  the 40 and 50's for now, so anything up to 60s isn't talked about yet. Two face appears in  detective comics #68 Batman # 58    detective comics #66  detective comics #80 detective comics #181 batman #81. In all these issues Batman never once said it's nice seeing you again, and I'm not talking about when they were all bud bud. I'm talking about after he got acid threw in his face. There also was no flirty comments. Witty maybe, but nothing flirty. Let's move on to the Riddler. Though he does not appear much in the 50's 40's  he does appear in Batman #171  Batman #179  detective comics #140  detective comics #142 in these issues the Batman does not say it's nice seeing you again. He also said he doesn't think Riddler can change, but said he believes Joker could, and even believe he could become sane again. For example in Batman issue #59  Batman goes back into the past to see if he could studied his ancestors, and reform the Joker. You go though all that trouble for the joker Bruce ?  he asks the joker "why do you insist using your talents for crazy humorous crimes " the Joker answers with "I don't know maybe I got it from my ancestors they were famous clowns" Batman #97 in this issue Batman seems to really be having fun with the Joker. Batman also refers to the Joker old friend a whole lot. The joker doesn't say this much, but in the recent comics he does. Batman #144  the Joker already shows how well he knows Batman. He hired a guy to impersonate Batman, but when the real Batman shows up. The Joker immediately know from how good he is. He's gotta be the real thing. Now that's all I'm going to talk about. Next I'm going to talk about the sixties and seventies.

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By Raúl  Lara Parras

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Kind of want a story where Joker gets called out for his guilt over killing Jason Todd, and how he’d try to deny it since he usually plays the “I’m evil I don’t regret child murder muhahahahah” card

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What the Joker War was supposed to be like.

❝ Then-Batman writer Tom King has mentioned that the death of Alfred Pennyworth – and keeping him dead – was to have been the beginning of 5G, planned by then-publisher Dan DiDio. That would see Bruce Wayne start losing his connection to humanity, as he regards Alfred as his real father. And King said that this will still have huge repercussions going forward, Alfred died in the City Of Bane storyline in Batman in 2019. However, in this version of events, the funeral drove the Batfamily apart rather than pulling them together. Specifically, Lucius Fox would offer support to Bruce, at the expense of his son Luke Fox. The following storyline which would later become The Joker War, was called Batman/ Joker: The Final Conflict, which then-Batman writer James Tynion IV has talked about. The Joker's assault on Gotham leads Batman to decide to stop Joker once and for all, especially after having only just lost Gotham – and Alfred – to Bane. Batman defeats the Joker, and traps him. But in a final twist, Batman lets the Joker go after the Joker whispers something in Batman's ear. It is later revealed to be a promise that if Batman lets the Joker go, then the Joker will kill Bane in revenge for the death of Pennyworth. And he is the only one who could.❞

Imagine what this scene could be like if it had a context of revenge. In this way, the Joker could "apologize" for what happened to Todd and Barbara, could get something more than the arch of redemption or death. Two archenemies equalize, come to understand each other. This is a literal batjokes reconciliation and Batman's recognition of his dark beginnings.

But Dan DiDio was fired in 2020 for unrelated matters, and then lockdowns hit, which saw the publication of 5G delayed. In that moment, DC Comics took the opportunity to junk the 5G plans, replace them with something else in the short term, and pulp what had already been printed.

I believe in the theory that the Joker War was the most batjokes story, if only because Dan DiDio and and his team have always been batjokes and Joker ambassadors. They were not afraid of the new, they broke the usual patterns. And they were idealists: in their world, both heroes and villains could be coexist and help each other. Just look at a couple of things where he was the editor or publisher. And also I believe because with his departure, the batjokes things in DC almost ceased to exist.

P.S. I would also like to talk about Bobbie Chase, but that's for next time.

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There is a version for fans of soundtrack.

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❝ Bruce has no idea what to call the thing that tangles itself in his stomach. That aches and makes him want to fight something, anything that’d hit him back.

It takes a while before Bruce manages to look at him and confirm that he’d fallen asleep. The black on white is burned onto his eyelids.❞

My free interpretation of @distort-opia ' ❝black on white (just us)❞. Many important details are missing, the images don't match the Devil's Advocate.

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Hey! I found this picture on one of your accounts. What comic is this from?

Harley Quinn & the Birds of Prey #2