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coatkins · 6 months ago

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I saw a long post about this on the c!wilbur community and they brought up some good points about c!fundy and c!wilbur so I wanna talk about the issues I have with c!fundy revolving c!wilbur (not his character overall)

c!Fundy neg ahead

One point i’ll make clear immediately is that c!fundy abandoned c!wilbur first. c!wilbur did not “abandon” c!fundy until his suicide. That’s just the truth and i’m tired of certain people spinning it in a different way.

c!fundy chose to join manburg and stand on that stage and publicly declare that his ONLY relations with L’manburg was just being born there. Nothing else. I don’t care about his motives, he chose to do that infront of every and this hurt c!wilbur whether this fandom wants to admit it or not

Now yes, c!wilbur wasn’t the best father by any means. Canonically he babied c!fundy pretty hard and there is probably a reason for it and that reason isn’t malicious at all in my opinion! I’m not stating a reason simply because we never got one in canon but I doubt that c!wilbur was being intentionally malicious towards c!fundy, I genuinely think he was just trying to protect him like everyone else and he went about it the wrong way. Not that any reason justifies it since it hurt c!fundy, but still i’m making a point here that not everything c!wilbur does is malicious

What c!fundy did was way too far and not justifiable. He ran against his own father then sided with c!schlatt and got up on stage and said that shit. Then he proceeded to burn down the flag with c!wilbur watching who might I remind you was also exiled brutally killed by the side c!fundy just joined! I’m pretty sure he was also up on stage when c!wilbur was killed so he just watched him get murdered!

Moving fowards, suddenly after c!wilbur death we see c!fundy being all sad and claiming he was abandoned (JUST LIKE C!NIKI) I understand being hurt and upset your own father died, but to completely turn around and paint this narrative that you were intentionally abandoned is not only ableist but also it’s not going to make c!fundy feel any better. This is just bad writing imo and it only serves to demonize c!wilbur further

Also didn’t he try to get adopted by c!eret? Cleary, to me atleast c!fundy doesn’t care that much about c!wilbur anymore since he wanted so badly to be adopted but the person who KILLED c!wilbur and his family and then never fucking apologized correctly for it!

Now moving onto revival, c!wilbur has every right not to seek out c!fundy. To him, c!fundy set a clear boundary and why would he go out of his way to try and get c!fundy back when the last time he remembers c!fundy made it clear he didn’t want that? This fandom would’ve demonized him anyways if he sought out c!fundy trying to re build their relationship so he literally cannot win in any scenario

Now onto the stream. I think that stream wasn’t good at all. I appreciated their good moments sure but I have a few specific issues with it

One is the end of the stream where c!fundy JUMPS INTO THE LMANHOLE to “get away” from c!wilbur

talk about overreaction. I’m sorry I just think that moment was only added to give them more angst. c!fundy could’ve easily just walked past/away from him or waited for c!wilbur to leave before leaving himself, would’ve had much more of an impact I think.

and to be fair, c!wilbur was arguably pretty far away from c!fundy when he jumped, he only stopped to look back at HIS SON one more time before leaving LIKE HE WAS ASKED TO. I’m not even going into how this affected c!wilbur much because I genuinely just think that was shitty writing and didn’t need to happen, it was only there for useless angst.

Now moving on next part I have a problem with is the “why did you die?” line from fundy. Can I just say right off the bat the way it was said was so fucking rude of c!fundy. It wasn’t somber or out of genuine concern, he sounded angry at c!wilbur for *checks notes* KILLING HIMSELF!!!!!

I don’t care that he was hurt. You don’t say that to your father who killed himself. You don’t say that to any suicidal person actually. He was clearly uninterested in c!wilburs life yet he wants to act like this?? c!fundy painted it (intentionally or not) as a malicious calculated plan to abandon him instead of c!wilbur being at his breaking point. He couldn’t take it anymore so he killed himself yet c!fundy never acknowledged that

That stream, like a lot of the others imo just feels redundant because c!fundy never apologized or admitted he was in the wrong. They never talked about c!fundy abandoning c!wilbur for seemingly no reason or even the pogtopia buttons!! Which he did!! Their conversation wasn’t mutual. Even if it was and in the end c!fundy still wanted no contact, it would’ve atleast been satisfying to the viewers that they atleast talked with each other and acknowledged when they hurt each other

Think that’s where i’ll shut up now. I still have a few more things to say

I understand that i’m very biased right now. I am a c!wilbur apologist and I understand that my bias could possibly be affecting my view point.

I can still sympathize with c!fundy. He was hurt and he was hurt by c!wilbur. That’s just fact and c!wilbur did need to apologize to him and i’m glad that it was called out in the beginning by c!fundy that c!wilbur tried to walk away. Obviously I don’t think it was right of c!eret to trick c!wilbur into seeing c!fundy when im assuming he wasn’t prepared to talk to him if at all but im glad they atleast talked and had some good moments together.

Now just some light myth clearing from me

“c!wilbur never cared about c!fundy”

That’s just an obvious lie. He cared about his son and he cared a lot whether he admitted it or not. You all forget sometimes that c!wilbur lies and he lies a lot to avoid being vunerable. He literally stood up for his son when c!schlatt said some transphobic ass shit to c!fundy even though their relationship was ruined. It was alluded that he fainted when c!fundy jumped to get away from him, why would that happen if he didn’t care?

“c!wilbur was an abusive/neglectful father”

no…he wasn’t. He canonically babied c!fundy. While not good, it’s not abuse

“c!wilbur abandoned c!fundy”

The most common argument. No he didn’t. He killed himself. This is an ableist narrative spouted by characters and the fandom

Thank you for listening to my rant. This is all my opinion and please if anything here is wrong, correct me so I can fix it

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coatkins · 6 months ago

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The moon will sing (by crane wives) and c!wilbur, song analysis

I’m going to rant about it haha I just really like this song and I think it fits c!wilbur well. Obviously if you disagree with me or think this song fits a different character better that’s fine I don’t care. Hope this makes sense I’m just rambling here :D

this is all about the character, I just got tired of typing c!wilbur over and over again. don’t make this about The Other Guy.

Tell me once again I could have been anyone, anyone else Before you made the choice for me

this is probably the most difficult lyric, but I personally see it as wilbur talking to himself, with “me” being ghostbur and “you” alivebur if you want to be specific. Wilbur often boxes himself into categories, the good and the bad parts of him, which is why he’s talking to himself as if he’s another person. ghostbur tends to be defined by the actions of alivebur, despite not remembering it all, because they’re the same person. but ghostbur doesn’t see that, so ghostbur tells alivebur that he “could’ve been anyone else” if they weren’t the same person, the tragedy being that they are. This might be reaching lol but I think it’s good enough.

My feet knew the path We walked in the dark, in the dark I never gave a single thought to where it might lead

this lyric is about lmanbur! He was a naive optimistic idealist who had no idea how to fight a war. He literally said that they could just say no if someone declared war on them. “We walked in the dark” all of the revolution walked in the dark together, they were not experts on warfare, they didn’t know what they were doing. They were definitely not that prepared. “I never gave a single thought to where it might lead” could either be about Wilbur not having a clue about warfare or him rigging the elections, both are solid interpretations.

All those empty rooms We could have been anywhere, anywhere else Instead, I made a bed with apathy My heart knew the weight Ten years worth of dust and neglect We made our peace with weariness and let it be

“All those empty rooms” is in reference to the final control room, the button room, and also al of pogtopia. He has a tendency to self isolate so that’s why it’s described as lonely. Most of this is about pogtopia. “I made a bed with apathy” and “we made our peace with weariness and let it be” is about Wilbur accepting his role as the villain. Obviously he’s not apathetic, because he’s always been the type to care deeply, but he’s now trying to embrace it, to hide how much he cares. To appear apathetic. He’s accepting his hurt and embracing it.

The moon will sing a song for me I loved you like the sun Bore the shadows that you made With no light of my own I shine only with the light you gave me I shine only with the light you gave me

this one’s about Wilbur talking about L’manburg. “I loved you like the sun” Wilbur definitely did love L’manburg (Wilbur x L’manburg is my otp /lh), no elaboration needed there. “Bore the shadows that you made” he saw L’manburg as an extension of himself, when it became manburg be saw himself too as corrupted so that’s why he bore the shadows of L’manburg/manburg.

“With no light of my own I shine only with the light you gave me” Wilbur had extremely low self esteem, he only saw value in himself in what he could provide for others, external achievements. That’s why he believed he could not shine on his own, he needed L’manburg so that his presence had a purpose, and that he had worth. Tragically, his friends loved him for who he was, not just what he could provide him but Wilbur could not see that.

Name your courage now We could have had anything, anything else Instead, you hoarded all that's left of me Swallowin' your doubt Like swords to the pit of my belly I want to feel the fire that you kept from me

the definition of “hoarded” is accumulated, hidden or stored away. He definitely hid himself behind all those personas and masks he held. He rarely showed his true self because he was scared of being vulnerable. Of course this does not mean he wasn’t genuine, nor a liar. Just very sad and emotionally repressed. “Swallowing your doubt” Wilbur hesitating over and over again before pressing the button. Before Phil arrived, he told himself if there as any time to press it, it was now and he still didn’t do it.

“Like swords in the pit of my belly” Do. Do I even need to explain how this is related to Wilbur. I think it’s pretty obvious. He was literally stabbed. With a sword. In his stomach. I could also mean all encompassing guilt or just…the amount of pain he was in during pogtopia. “I want to feel the fire that you kept from me” ghostbur describes alivebur’s death as slaying the dragon, so the fire is basically justice because Wilbur sees his death as rightful, that’s why it’s “kept from [him]”. From Wilbur’s perspective, death is what he deserves, after all he’s the villain and villains need to be defeated. (I don’t think I need to explain why he’s wrong)

The moon will sing a song for me I loved you like the sun Bore the shadows that you made With no light of my own I shine only with the light you gave me I shine only with the light you gave me I shine only with the light you gave me (I could have been anyone, anyone) I shine only with the light you gave me (I could have been anyone, anyone)

Again, everything I said prior about self worth and L’manburg. However! It could also be about the people of L’manburg! He associates his worth with what he can provide yes, but who gives him that worth as well? The people of L’manburg, so that’s the reason he’s doing it all. Why he wants power. For them to respect and care about him, so that he matters to them. “I shine only with the light you gave me” he was alive, he was happy because of his friends. “With no light of my own” without people, without community he feels worthless because he thinks he is nothing. This section was a bit repetitive but I got my point across.

anyways c!wilbur is miserable, the moon will sing is a great song and they both fit very well together. go listen to the song if you haven’t listened to it today because it’s really cool and it deserves appreciation.

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