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[cringelordofchaos]

The Forgotten Tragedy: How Undertale's Dreemurr Family Deconstructs Nationalism and Nobody Talks About It

It's wild to me that people can recognize the nationalism critique in Attack on Titan's Marley and Eldia, or the cult indoctrination of N in Pokémon Black and White, but so many miss that Undertale — yes, the cutesy RPG about kindness — quietly rips apart the ideals of nationalism, hero-worship, sacrifice, and demonization of an Other through the story of the Dreemurr family.

Let’s talk about it.

1. Chara's Death Was Not Just Sad — It Was Politicized

Chara didn't just die.

They orchestrated a suicide pact with Asriel out of despair, hatred, and a desperate hope for monster freedom.

But what does the kingdom remember?

"The humans had once again taken everything from us [...] King ASGORE will save us all."

Chara's complexity — their despair, their agency, their rage — is erased.

Instead, they become a mythic martyr, an innocent symbol to justify war.

Sound familiar?

("Our heroes died for our freedom! Never forget! Support the troops!")

2. Asgore's Nationalist Myth-Making

Asgore, the kind old king, says:

"I'm reminded of the human that fell here long ago... You have the same feeling of hope in your eyes."

He doesn't remember Chara's suffering. He doesn't remember their complicated humanity.

He remembers only what he needs to remember:

Hope. Future. Justification.

Asgore needs Chara to be pure and blameless because he built a nationalist movement around them.

And once that myth exists, it can excuse anything — even declaring war on human children.

3. "Smile, You're Going to be Free!"

New Home's propaganda is horrifying if you actually stop and read it.

Monsters are taught to smile as they prepare for the deaths of children.

Hope is weaponized. Hatred is reframed as "freedom." Killing becomes a sacred duty.

"You should be smiling, too. Aren't you excited? Aren't you happy? You're going to be free."

It's no different from any real-world regime that teaches:

Sacrifice is noble.

The Other is evil.

Your suffering will be redeemed through violence.

The monsters have no real understanding of Chara's death, or Asriel's death, or their own trauma. They only have a story that tells them they're right.

4. Flowey: The Broken Victim of Mythology

Flowey (Asriel resurrected as a soulless vessel) isn't just a villain.

He's a child born into a kingdom that loved him only as a symbol, not as a person.

Resurrected by experiments Asgore ordered.

Ignored by monsters who were too busy preparing for their "liberation" to notice something was deeply wrong.

Taught that feelings, life, and individuality mean nothing in a world that already wrote his story for him.

No wonder Flowey embraced nihilism.

He saw the truth about his people — and it broke him.

5. The Dreemurr Family as a Microcosm of Nationalist Decay

Asgore: Kind man who commits atrocities for "the greater good."

Toriel: Coward who retreats into isolation instead of fighting injustice.

Asriel: Innocent child who becomes a hollow monster.

Chara: Complex human erased into a symbol.

The family crumbles because they believed their own myths:

that good intentions can excuse violence,

that hope justifies hatred,

that the future can be built on the corpses of dead children.

6. Undertale's Quiet Indictment of Hero Worship

At its heart, Undertale is not just about "being nice."

It’s about choosing to see people in their full humanity, not as symbols, not as monsters, not as heroes.

When you kill, you become the story others write about you.

When you refuse to kill, you reclaim the truth of who you are.

The Dreemurr family's story is a warning:

Nationalism builds beautiful lies on top of broken, complicated, hurting people.

And if you don't stop it, it will destroy everything you love.

TL;DR

Undertale isn't just quirky or sweet.

It's a brutal, quiet deconstruction of how nationalism, heroism, sacrifice, and hate turn dead children into propaganda — and destroy the living in the process.

And maybe that's why so many missed it.

It hurts too much to look.

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I still ferociously believe that "where are the knives" is not, in fact, Chara seeking a weapon with which to kill others. It is Chara observing there ARE no knives in the drawer. The same way that every tool has been filed down and dulled. There are no blades in what was once their home. This mother who loved them has no knives. Why? Where are they? She has gotten rid of them on purpose. With intent. Why is she so worried about children and knives?

Chara is deeply traumatized. Chara climbed the mountain no one ever returns alive from. Chara has already tried to kill themself once. this is a troubled child, who behaves as a troubled child does.

And toriel- toriel doesn't like to know things that she knows. When you leave the ruins she asks you never to return. If she already knows that you will never return, that you will never call, then she can always convince herself that you are alive. You are Schrodinger's child; both alive and not alive at the same time in her mind. And she chooses to believe you are alive because that is the reality she wants to live in. Toriel prefers to live in willful ignorance rather than face uncomfortable truths.

Chara is seeing the knives missing and realizing that toriel thought they were dangerous to have around children, because of Chara. Because Chara hurt themself. It's not a far leap. They hur themself because they are a traumatized and suicidal child and she knew, she knew something, but chose willful ignorance over uncomfortable truths. She hoped that if she pretended the problem didn't exist, it would resolve itself. It would go away. It wouldn't need to be confronted.

And then it's too late. So she hides the knives. It won't happen again if she hides the knives. And Chara sees the knives are gone and pieces together this truth: she knew something was wrong.

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Transcript: Im so sorry but Chara and Asriel’s relationship is doomed from the start along with being toxic. People gloss over that too much these days and its another example of fandom overcorrction, the polar opposite of the 2016 fanon that chara is severely abusive. Chara is not a perfect angel or pure evil, they are a traumatized, suicidal child who may have been abused before adoption and struggles with emotions and as much as they loved the dreemurrs and monsters unfortunately their hate for humans and the desire for the absolute was stronger and caused harm especially to Asriel. They were emotionally manipulative and i may be grasping at straws but they made Asriel feel insecure about his emotions like the crybaby comments.

[cringelordofchaos]

Hey, Do you have any Chara headcanons?

So technically I already have a reblogged post of Chara headcanons. Right here, within the tags. (99+) Chara neutralist squad on Tumblr

However, I most certainly have not run out of things to talk about and so...

I now present Chara Dreemurr headcanons 2: Electric Boogaloo

1. Yes, so as I said before, they have been spotted reading the dictionary cover to cover multiple times and reads english grammar books for fun. It is like they have to use one word literally nobody understands at least once a day or they will figuratively die. And of course, they would be the one to say figuratively every single time they use a metaphor or hyperbole or turn of phrase and they would get genuinely annoyed with anyone who says literally when they don't literally mean literally. Chara is the kind of kid who if someone says "can I", they will say "I don't know, can you?" like an english teacher because it's supposed to be "may I" for allowances. And, Azzy, it's supposed to be "Chara and I" not "me and Chara" ...no-one cares.

2. Something vocabulary related is that Chara absolutely, categorically refuses to swear! Apparently, contradictory to popular belief given that they're an "edgy" character, they think they are far too intelligent, high-class and mature for such gauche and vulgar words (did I mention they're a loser yet?), you see, and they would definitely consider using words that mean almost nothing to be a grave insult to their extensive vocabulary.

This doesn't mean they don't have certain stock phrases they use as exclamations or insults, though, of course. "asshole" or "bitch" becomes "you complete and utter ingrate", "what the fuck/hell?" becomes "What on this good earth/What in the Angel's name?" and "fuck you" becomes "may the angel smite you dead" or "may you burn in hell forevermore" (except that since Chara Dreemurr has proved themselves able to dish out much, much worse insults than "may the angel..." (stuff like "you look horrible, why are you even alive" for example) this might just be more annoyance than genuine hatred.)

So basically, while a normal person might say "Ow! Fuck!" when they stub their toe on something, Chara "Sesquipedalian loquaciousness" Dreemurr starts up an anime villain speech at nothing in particular while Asriel giggles and possibly records in the background. (Because of Asriel's apparent love for anime, he'd probably find his sibling's way of speaking to be the coolest thing ever as well as thinking it makes Chara some sort of uber-genius (note: it does not))

3. Okay so, since they tend to fixate on being impeccable in every way, even for the smallest of things, they can get embarrassed very easily and...very dramatically. Not finding the best word for every situation (particularly if they end up saying something wrong), not getting a perfect score on the test, anyone (who isn't the Dreemurrs) seeing them when their appearance is anything less than completely spotless.

They shall freeze and go completely blood red, they shall squeal and run off to their room. They will lie face down, not making a sound, and stay there for...hours. They will not respond, they will not be consoled. They have recently learnt they're not literally the best at everything ever and no, nothing will ever be okay again.

...They'll be back to normal within a day, though, boastful and eager to impress as ever. I think at some point they do learn that maybe not being perfect isn't the end of the world...eventually. Anyway, heard someone saying that hell exists for Flowey and it is minor inconveniences and that is true but hell also exists for Chara and it is minor embarrassments.

(Yes, I am aware this is very exaggerated, it's just more fun that way)

[cringelordofchaos]

Chara haters, and WELL INTENTIONED Chara analysts sometimes forget that Chara is a child. A child whose sense of self, of the world, is also shaped by the people around them.

I do to some extent believe that the buttercup plan was a mix of impulsivity, manipulation, but also, their completionist mindset.

(I cannot thank Toby enough for the glass of water dialogue and the letter about the number 9)

In other words, they wanted to repay monsters for their kindness by freeing them. They already had suicidal tendencies, shown by the fact that they were only in the underground because they attempted.

Then they accidentally poisoned Asgore (I wonder, how old were they to confuse buttercups with cups of butter? Not to mention Both Of The Kids doing that, not just Chara) and it gave them that idea. Maybe even an intrusive thought, the kind someone with suicidal tendencies that haven't exactly been treated will just commonly have.

They were called "the future of humans and monsters" by Asgore, before they died most likely. The way Asgore calls out:

"You have to stay determined! You can’t give up…You are the future of humans and monsters…"

It seems like a reminder to me to something he's said before, and not something he's just saying. I've brought up before how I think that's a misinterpretation on Chara's part- he meant that their friendship with Asriel brings hope for peace between humans and monsters.

Chara would be very conflicted with their identity as a human- especially at that point, they don't see themselves as representing all humans. They hate humans. They're more likely hoping they're an exception, not the standard. So they figure he means the power of their soul.

So, they impulsively make up the plan, tell it to Asriel. And they're met with reluctance. And someone who's not only filled with determination, but also has quite black and white thinking, and someone who believes that "you must finish what you started" and you can't back down? Yeah, they figured, they'd have to keep pushing against the resistance, until it happens, until he agrees.

If we go with the theory that Chara was still sort of conscious when Asriel had their soul, they would urge him to keep going, to kill the monsters they needed, because "We have already gotten this far".

[cringelordofchaos]

Saw your latest art about Chara.

Absolutely love it!

Although I can’t help but wonder, what is your take on Chara anyway? Sorry for asking, I’m just curious.

Oh, no problem! Umm it's.... complicated? lol. Chara is a pretty broad subject...... I think they were a very troubled kid who, in all honestly, probably wasn't very good to Asriel as a friend or a sibling. They could be pushy, violent, and manipulative. They loved Asriel, as much as Asriel loved them, but sometimes that isn't enough, and who knows whether they intentionally poisoned Asgore or not, or why they laughed about it later.... it's been common to justify or try and explain Chara's more questionable actions as misunderstood or taken out of context, but tbh I don't think we actually need to do that. I don't think, even in the worst case scenario where Chara purposefully hurt their family at every moment we see it, that makes them a demon, or irredeemable, or that they even NEED to be redeemed. At the end of the day, Chara was a child who committed suicide- whether the intended outcome was to free monsterkind or to destroy humanity, or just to die. Even with the least charitable interpretations taken as gospel, shouldn't they still be worthy of love? Isn't the whole point of Undertale that anybody can become a friend and be understood, if only you reach out to them?

(I'm also a firm believer that Chara is the narrator no matter the route, which informs a lot of their personality to me, and also means that we get to decide their arc as a ghost. That makes way more sense to me than a story like this just going uhhh yeah that kid was pure evil the whole time or whatever lol.)

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i LOVE ur analyses (ur noelle + ralsei ones completely changed the way i view those characters) and if u ever started a yt channel for video essays i would BE THERE. ur art has a comforting quality that can be twisted into something disturbing/raw that i rlly like and admire. i wanna know more of ur thoughts on chara. i think they killed themselves bc of their dread of humanity + they thought what they were feeling (anger/vengence) was inherent to being a human and not a monster. thoughts?

thank you, that's very kind of you!! I don't think what I have to say would be very well suited for video essays though haha, it's just my personal readings of the text and I really don't want people to look at it and assume that I'm completely right, or even that I think I'm completely right. there are tropes and themes that I get particularly caught up in and I have my very obvious biases, plus when it comes to deltarune the story isn't even done yet..... I would hate for somebody to get totally invested in my interpretation and then get mad or disappointed if something that happens further in negates it. (that and my video making/editing skills begin and end with cutting together amvs)

as for chara..... (warning this is about to get heavy, maybe don't read if you're dealing with suicidal thoughts of your own)

.....always a complex question, especially when it comes to their death. I never really want to say anything definitive about them, because well, we don't actually know, do we? but this in particular...... with suicidal thoughts and ideation, you're always looking for a way to justify it. I don't think there was one specific reason chara went down that path, because there never really is. it starts with one thought, and then all the reasons you could possibly come up with start to clump together and form an unbearable weight. I think it's significant that chara came up with "the plan" after (accidentally or not) poisoning asgore. maybe it started with the guilt of hurting somebody they loved, which grew into the guilt of 'I'm such a burden to these wonderful people, they would be better off without me' which grew into the guilt of being human at all. but they still wanted to be useful to their family, leave them with a gift.... if their death can both free monsterkind AND destroy humanity, then really it would be worse of them to NOT die. that idea would stick in their brain and become a comfort to them- it's okay, because before too long, everyone I love with be safe and happy and I'll be dead, and I won't have to feel so awful every day. this is the only way to make up for all the time they wasted on caring for me. but then, of course, everything goes so extremely wrong..... I can't imagine the anguish chara would've felt in death, for not only failing but dooming asriel alongside them. they weren't thinking about the pain it would inflict on their family even if the plan had worked, or ever stop to consider that one day they might be able to feel better, and now they'll never get a chance to see it.

I think that also nicely leads in the main routes in undertale's storyline. in one, chara is a passenger on frisk and the player's journey, and they watch frisk inconvenience everyone they meet over and over but ultimately make their lives better just by being a friend and believing in love, which mirrors chara's own life and what they failed to see in it. in the other, chara is guided into dealing with their pain in a different way, by destroying it. the world is cruel, and unfair, and it hurts the good people while the bad flourish- better to do away with it entirely. if there's no life, then there's no suffering. if chara is all that exists, they become the nexus of pain. if they have to become a demon anyway, they can learn to love it. it's all humans are good for anyway. maybe this is easier than trying to fight it ever was.

but like, it's not, obviously. being a good person is hard sometimes, and it's even harder to be good to yourself. in the end though, if you give into hate and destruction, you'll be left with nothing but emptiness. whether through harming others or harming yourself..... either way you've closed yourself off from the world and your ability to experience the beauty of life, in all its faults.

okay I think I should stop there before I get too preachy or existential LMAO I hope that answered your question though! talking about chara is a dang rabbit hole. like, you're a creepypasta-ass character from a video game, why you making me think this deep. maybe if you werent so tragic and interesting I'd get less distracted, jerk.

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[cringelordofchaos]

charas good charas bad. I'm more in the boat: charas bad... however-

the idea of judging characters on a good-to-evil scale in undertale of all games is objectively stupid.

chara hurt. chara vengeful. chara impulsive and not thinking things through. chara maladjusted and suicidal and going too far. with their actions and with asriel's blind trust. chara with save powers like every other human who fell in the underground that eroded their sense of negative consequences for their actions. chara who then enforced those consequences all the more ruthlessly upon themself.

chara who gave up that power and stayed dead for a chance to save monsterkind. chara who could've rebelled to asriel and gone through with the plan, but didn't. chara whose hope for a better future for the monsters shone bright enough that asgore recognized it in frisk's eyes centuries later. chara who brought back that hope to an entire kingdom, and had that burden on their shoulders for the rest of their short life. asriel who, in the game's development, was supposed to be obsessed with the surface and the stars, and a chara who might have wanted their brother to see them for real.

but also, chara as the player's interface. chara as the quantification of our actions within the game, good and bad. chara the feeling of our stats going up. chara the ghost without a soul (just like flowey) who can't stop playing the game until you do. chara the mirror. chara and YOU.

not even our actions in the more violent routes are treated as mere "evil", cruelty or sadism within the game. they're explicitly treated as us going "too far". and because we can, we have to. not being able to quit. digging the ghost out of their tomb until it's too late.

...but sure. chara's "evil".

[cringelordofchaos]

Hello! So if your version of Chara still evil/murderous? Also please let me date your version of Asriel he is so handsome........

passively suicidal and definitely feels things more. intensely than the average person iykwim, but they're not going to like. start knifing their classmates yk? Undertale chara's "murderousness" was a response to the rules of the world that they lived in, in which killing monsters made them more powerful, and their desire for that kind of power was a trauma response in itself. In the context of a modern society like what we see in deltarune, chara couldn't really have made it to young adulthood unscathed if they were killing things left and right for xp (and we don't even actually know if that's how it works, since no one has been killed in the light world in deltarune yet) so I figured it made sense for their desire for power to manifest as something more attainable, i.e. academic success. the basic premise is still the same: I'm afraid of being weak > I have to get stronger > killing things makes me stronger > i should kill everyone indiscriminantly vs. I'm afraid of being weak > I have to be successful > scoring well on tests makes me successful > I should sacrifice my mental health and relationships to do well in school. granted one of those is significantly more dramatic but we're talking about rpg rules vs almost-real-life rules. you see the vision

[cringelordofchaos]

some chara doodles :]

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extremely rare traditional art rip my drawing tablet for real she is confirmed dead as hell and I can't rlly get a new one rn 😭 I actually think drawing sm digital art made me more heavy handed than I used to be esp because my traditional art is like. the tiniest pen I can get my hands on and no sketch at all

in the meantime I'll get around to answering more asks sorey it takes me actually forever

[cringelordofchaos]

i think about the hoo boy hot dog post every single day of my life

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Maybe with time Chara distanced themselves form humanity,,...,... And their soul became monster like enough in order for frisk to absorb it !!!1!1!1!!1!1!1! Or maybe it somehow fused with asriels .???

WAHH IDK

Might not be fully off..???

pacifist / neutral ^

genocide ^ (if you name yourself Chara)(the "true " name)

So I just realized.

I thought, whenever the game mentioned "you", it was referring to the player, as opposed to frisk. (Dunno why tbh)

(this does appear to be true after the true pacifist ending, where flowey essentially tells YOU to leave Frisk and the world alone.)

but this whole time "you" is actually Chara/the player talking to frisk.

(since "Chara" is the "true name" of the fallen human, the one you're supposed to type in)

(this also implies frisk actually is not in control especially in the genocide route. or that they're detached from themselves..? that they're losing themself? like the more you hurt the less you'll be hurt, the less you'll care about hurting others, the more you're detach yourself from others yadayada y'know the shtickkk. but I honestly doubt a random 6 year old would have such a murderous and genocidal insensitive to wipe out an entire specie. or however old frisk is. they literally can't count to 10 and asgore tells frisk to just imagine that their fight Is a trip to the dentist. THIS IS A CHILD. I doubt they're in much control of their actions. The things you make them do. It might influence their character a bit but I don't think they're the ones choosing what to do. And they tell Asriel that their names frisk without us controlling them. this is also like kinda relevant to when you punch the dummy or smth. at lower lvls the narration is addressing how "you" (frisk?) feels about punching the dummy, while at higher ones the narration loses the "you" part (in genocide it just says "you punch the dummy at full force. "feels good."" just feels good. whereas in pacifist "you" (frisk?) feels bad about lightly tapping the dummy. again this either implies frisk is losing sense of themself or THIS ISNT THEM. THIS ISBT WHAT THEY FEEL OR WANNA DO. IDK IDK IDK IDK ID)

I STILL DONT UNDERSTAND THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE PLAYER AND CHARA. THERE HAS GOT TO BE SOME CONNECTION, RIGHT???? WHATS WITH THE VHS TAPES ABOUT CHARA MENTIONING YOUR NAME?? [PLAYER NAME]?? ASGORE REFEREING TO YOU AS [PLAYER NAME]/CHARA WHENEVER FRISK DIES ?? THE FACT THAT [PLAYER NAME] IS SUPPOED TO BE CHARA??

YOUTE CHARA??? . .? OR YOU'RE,, CONTROLLING CHARA?? WHOS CONTROLLING FRISK?? OBVIOUSLY YOUTE NOT CHARA, YOU LITERALLY TALK TO THEM IN GENOCIDE ROUTE, THEY LITERALLY TELL YOU AFTER COMPLETING THE ROUTE A SECOND TIME TO PICK A DIFFERENT ROUTE AND QUESTIONS IF YOURE DOING THIS DUE TO A "PERVERTED SENTIMENTALITY".

BUT THEN THERE'S ALL THIS.

AND WHATS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN FRISK AND CHARA??? WHY DO BOTH ASRIEL AND ASGORE SEE SOME OF CHARA IN FRISK TO THE POINT OF MISTAKING THEM AS THEM...??? THEY DONT EVEN LOOK THAT ALIKE.

Uhh. Might be a dumb question. Whatever happened to Asriel and Chara's soul after asriel died?. I guess..... nothing..? humans can't consume human souls and monsters can't consume monster souls. or summat like that.

(was it even confirmed what happened to their souls? It might've been confirmed in game I probably just FORGOT OR MISSED THE DIALOGUE. I literally didn't catch the fact that in true pacifist flowey consumed the souls of ALL monsters, not just the 6 of your friends, which made me confused as to how Asriel broke the barrier. HOW THE FUCK DID I MISS THAT. ???? trust me to miss the most important things in the room. (Just letting y'all know this so you know who you're dealing with. ITS ME.)

unless.. dun dun DUN N!!!!!!!11!!1! FRISK CONSUMED THEM THEMSELF!!!1!!1!1!1!1!1!

("it's you!") (ok well you can't interact with these mirrors but the whole room is filled with mirrors and golden flowers, in the bigger window you even face a monster, after LOOKING AT YOURSELF/frisk looking at themself?/chara looking at frisk...????/you looking at frisk? I don't get ANYTHING ANYMORE AGHHH), I thought the message was intentional. Whatever the message was.)

....that doesn't make any sense. that'd mean frisk would have 3 souls.

unless.?? wait I forgot one key detail. when you defeat monsters , you consume their souls. right.? ??? I. Forgor. Oops.

Um. Okay. But yeah .

Also I KNOW the journey entry was talking about friggin flowey I KNOW. BUT ALL THE MIRRORS IN THE ROOM ARE WEIRD AF AND DEFINITELY LEAVE SOME OTHER IMPLICATIONS.

Wait WAIT I just realized asriels soul wouldn't last. Chara's would tho they're human.

Ok so dumb theory! frisk consumed charas soul? becoming connected to them. getting possessed by them.?????? or fusing slightly with who they used to be.

Ok wait then the mirror room makes no sense. frisk would just be human not both human and monster. but iirc chara hates humanity or SMTH. (Idk I've only finished the pacifist route ereyesterday I'm just going off of what I've heard and seen online). So maybe IN spirit / not literally that makes them not fully human. AGAIN NOT LITERALLY BUT LIKE. IDK

iIRC this dialogue only shows up if you've killed all the monsters available thus far. Aka if you're beginning the genocide route.

This implies that your state of humanity relies on your actions and character as opposed to just biological character.

Frisk is biologically human. So is Chara. But if you just go around going out of your way to kill literally everyone you can, that right to be human is seemingly revoked from you.?

I also thought Abt charas connection to frisk more. frisk is yellow like the yellow flowers chara wanted to see from their village before they died.???? idk I'm spitballing here. chara falls into multiple piles of flowers throughout the game ome of them being yellow. I would post screenshots if I didn't hit the image cap. Again comparing them to Chara. They call the golden flower tea or whatever it's called "the clearly superior choice". but again this ties to the chara being the narrator theory which. has a lot of basis in it. especially due to the lab alphys tracking camera thing I showed all the way up. implying chara/the player is narrating. so it might've been chara that said the golden flower tea thingy is the superior choice.?but then why does the narration change depending on your lvl/kill count. Does charas personality / your personality and care about other monsters change the more you kill them? Maybe if frisk consumed charas soul (AGAIN LIKE I SAID INCREDIBLY STUPID THEORY I PROBABLY MISSED SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS CANONICALLY) maybe charas soul changes when you do things. Which changes the narration in the game but doesn't change Chara themself who's detached from their soul. So maybe you're controlling frisks soul combined with charas soul and Chara's soul is talking to frisk...??? HELP IDK WHAT IM ON ABOUT

Wait I forgot one crucial thing again. Where did asriel die again.? He was killed by the humans who thought he killed chara. so he died above the underground. but he became a flower in the throne room, right.? wait I don't even understand how he became a flower I don't understand ANYTHING.

I FORGOT WAIT

I'm kinda too lazy to check . But no. I've gotta have... DETERMINATION!!!!!! TO !!! FACT CHECK A VERY BASIC FACT ABLUT THE GAMD!!!!1!!1! WHERE DID ASRIEL EVEN DIE??? wait brb

WAIT NO!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE BEEN DEFEATED!!!! MY STUIID THEORY TYAT MADE NO SENSEJIN THE FIRST PLACE IS FIDPOROVEN!!!!!! ASRIEL LITERALLY WENT INTO THE CASTLE AND THEN DIED !!!!! AND HIS DUST SPREAD THERE IG THATS HOW THE FLOWER BECAME ASRIEL/ HE BECAME A FLOWER. AND I THINK THAT MEANS HIS AND CHARAS SOUL WAS IN THE CASTLE when Asriel died after asriel absorbed their soul. Of course asriels soul would quickly disappear after he died but charas would remain right??? cause they're human. and maybe asgore put their soul in a capsule. Like he did with the other ones.

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Is that how any of this works. Idk. IDKKKKKK NGAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

FRISK WAS NEVER IN THE CASTLE BEFORE REACHING THE UNDERGROUND. I DON'T THINK SO ST ALL ST LEAST.

The only way this would make any sense is if asgore DIDNT put Chara's soul in a capsule and instead put it in the place where eventually frisk would absorb it. that'd make no sense at all.

Unless DUNDUN DUBBBNNNNNN!!!! HE AND TORIEL WANTED TO HONOR CHARAS DEATH SO tHEY PUT CHARAS SOUL IN A PILE OF GOLED FLOWERS LIKE HOW THEY WANTED TO SEE FLOWERS BEFORE THEY DIED !!!1!!1!! THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE NNNNNNNN!!!!!

YOU FALL ON A PILE OF golden FLOWERS AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE GAME AFTER ALL!!!!!

TUIX ALL MAKES SENSE TRUSTTTTT 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

But Also again how tf would frisk consume a human soul in the first place that's not how it goes. I think.

Idk idkdikdiifkdnfhf

UNLES......S....

FRISK IS CHARA rEinCarnAteD from charas soul11???.......

and spawned in the pile of flowers....?

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How would a soul reincarnate.

Thoughbthe power of determination 😎😎😎.

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no.

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And they're still separate people. And Chara's soul / narration is still separate from frisk. So even if frisk has charas soul they would definitely have a soul of their own. Meaning they couldn't have just spawned from the pile of flowers. And they have a name of their own. Frisk. Unless Chara namef themself frisk. Makes no sense still. Frisk and Chara are separate ppl not one or the same.

And also HUMANS CAN'T VONSUME HUMAN SOULS AHHHGHH!!!!!!

Also HOW QOULD REINCARNATION EVEN WORK I. THIS WORKD

I. Don't. Get. Anything. At. All.

frisk being yellow is definitely like intentional right. like the golden flowers.

Yellow flowers can symbolize friendship.

That's why the name becomes yellow when you get to spare them. That's showing the power of friendship. To have mercy on them.

To befriend and see through everyone.

Idk what I'm on about I think I am losing my mind.

So in short there's Chara and there's frisk and then there's the player and I have no idea who's what or what's who. and I'm going insane.

(I know this is most definitely super obvious to literally anyone that's ever played the game I'm just figuring stuff out rn ok ??? T__T)

Pretend I'm a silly goofy charismatic and dumb Undertale npc as opposed to an illiterate fool ^__^ I'm not real {×∆×}

Can someone explain this to me like I'm 6 years old again ^^

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Home

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Love the fact that Flowey and Chara canonically laugh the same. I know they’re both Fucked Up by the time we see them in Undertale and it’s meant to be creepy, but it’s funny to headcanon that that’s just how they laugh. You visit the king and queen, and partway through the meeting you just hear this maniacal cackling upstairs. They tell you not to worry about it, it’s just the children playing, and you’re like. what the fuck kinda game are they playing up there??

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Why tf would chara want the underground to be wiped out

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not brawl stars starting a new inter-fandom joke abt nerfing characters height 😭