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jfndjdjdjdj BRO you gotta check this out it's literally af literal fire!!! Adam can step on me big time after this 🔥🥰

https://www.tumblr.com/officeobject/789628453539479552/spoilers-flash-warning-but-this-is-perfectly?source=share

Oh yes, I’ve watched this video before. I like Soul’s slowed reverb edits of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss music along with the transitions they make in the background.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/1m1rcv5/limus_response_to_the_allegations_and_google/

https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/1m618jk/latest_update_on_limus_and_her_discord_server/

Limus Discord situation has gotten even weirder than before.

It’s gotten sadder too. The minor out here writing paragraphs defending Limus.

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Another YouTuber (blackishhh) is doing an expose on Sai.

🫢 The video hasn’t even premiered and the comments are juicy. Blackishhh unintentionally summoned everyone.

We got Limus and her beefing with Chris the Narc (for no reason). Along with understandably being called out.

LovesArt23 is there!

Random YouTuber (Stephen) is of course there and is getting rightfully called out.

Agramuglia is there and is getting dragged.

Sai’s Discord server is allegedly accusing Blackishhh of being a misogynist 💀.

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Yesterday, not to my surprise, this announcement was posted and it brought some concern to me because of how massively hypocritical of Vivziepop and the team this makes them look if you think about it.

To explain, they post this right? Proudly advertising it in such, But not Loonas short?

No merch, no advertising, no mention just *pfffttt* "heres an animated short out on Vivziesnots channel, COME AND GET IT"

and look I know i've already talked about this before but this just drives me up a wall how they gave two fucking shits about loona and her relationship her dad.

Its quite literally been 3 weeks not even a full month and already they're posting the next short?

Oh yeah advertise the twink ass bois but not the bait yall been advertising so much? Milking her dusty, crusty, and dry asf? Like LMAO

I mean we all know they are but its just hard not to ask if they're THAT MUCH ashamed of Loona and her short. They're seriously sweeping such a controversial short under the rug like its nothing after they disrespected one of the kindest people on earth? THE MR ROGERS???

On her YouTube channel, going down the list of post in the past is nothing but pride month merch Galore being advertised with lots of posts because that mattered more than developing the characters that have literally nothing or straight up plot holes filled with bubble gum to make sure the holes were covered thinking no one would notice but mind you while all of this was being advertised, Not Once did I or anyone see a post anywhere talking about Loonas short that came out and it just feels like the creators gave up half way and said:

("Hey bitches >:DDD we fucking know our fucking last short sucked ass but I assure you that the next goddamn one is so much fucking better because Moxxies fat ass is in it")

That pride merch is still sitting there BTW last time I checked and I hope Vivziepop herself, that dumbfucks keep defending, are proud of herself and themselves because I hope it was worth it with what she did

I guess better late than never but cmon where was this marketing energy for the “Orphan Time” short 😭?

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Some troll account started harassing an indie creator trying to get them into talking poorly about HB/HH fandom and the creator rightfully called them out. However I did have to laugh a bit when they said “the HH/HB fandom has been nothing but nice to me” like yeah, because you haven’t said anything bad about the show. Say one MILDLY critical stance and then see if you feel the same way about that fandom

Good on them for calling out that weird troll. “Say one MILDLY critical stance and then see if you feel the same way about that fandom.” 💀 It be like that, some of the stans can switch up real fast once you say something “controversial” about both shows.

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Idk why anon is so surprised that Meppity isn’t publicly replying to Vivziepop as if this isn’t the fandom known for straight up doxxing people who confront Viv on anything

“For straight up doxxing people who confront Viv on anything.” And some stans wonder why people don’t like the fandom 🤣. Vivziepop, herself doesn’t help by enabling them and not acknowledging the situation.

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Mmm. I have to point out how hypocritical Meppity also is. She states in her post on her YouTube community post that she didn’t want to reply to Viv on BlueSky to not “shit in her lawn”, yet she says in the same post that if Viv ever read it, to contact her, expecting Viv will seek out and find this post in a sea of social media if Viv ever wanted to talk to her. I’m sorry, but that’s not how it works. You have to directly reach out to someone if you want them to see something you say. You can’t expect them to magically find your post and then respond, and say you did your part that way. It’s not how it works. It reads like Meppity is looking for an excuse to avoid a conversation with Viv. Just message her if you want to speak to her privately? Or email? Anything?

I see what you mean. In my opinion, Meppity wouldn’t be metaphorically shitting in Vivziepop’s lawn especially when Vivziepop, herself publicly vague tweeted about her and spread misinformation. Technically speaking, if Vivziepop had a problem with said video she, herself could’ve contacted Meppity about it privately.

Or not said anything at all about it. I will admit, I lowkey wish Meppity responded via Bluesky mainly because I’m curious how Vivziepop would respond to her directly. Even after she went to two concerts, she still is responding to other users about Meppity’s video. Hopefully, the two will somehow talk out privately in DMs but I wouldn’t be surprised if that never happens.

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Why is it when a critic video emphasizes the entire video that they're a fan and just have a few problems with one of the shows, the weirdo stans see them as a hater only trying to shit on their show and nothing else forever.

And why is that subreddit so obsessed with ArtieceTB, who gives an actual shit if they said they won't post about hellaverse but did.

I swear some people can’t tell the difference between a fan, a critical fan, an anti, a bad faith critic/anti, etc. They just lump them into the same category and call it day. “And why is that subreddit so obsessed with ArtieceTB, who gives an actual shit if they said they won't post about hellaverse but did.” Ah, R/CrazyassHazbinHaters.

To the subreddit’s credit, they stopped talking about ArteiceTB. Most of the members don’t like ArteiceTB because they believe she is a hypocrite, a bad faith critic, full of herself, don’t like some of her Helluva Boss takes especially the ones regarding Stella and Stolas, etc.

As for ArteiceTB posting about Helluva Boss, they see it as hypocritical because she promised to stop talking about it. But yeah their hate boner for her was wild and at times obsessive that even some of the said members noticed and were weirded out.

It gets obvious how some of the members let their hate boner towards ArteiceTB shine through even when she’s doing nothing wrong. If these were Hellaverse antis doing this to Vivziepop, the subreddit would rightfully call out it.

Here are the comments to ArteiceTB stating her opinion about Mimzy:

How is she a contrarian? It’s literally ArteiceTB gushing and complimenting Mimzy for what she did in “Hell’s Greatest Dad.” She doesn’t even mention Alastor. I hope one day one of the mods actually tries to reach out to ArteiceTB, similarly to Pink King to smooth and talk things over.

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I highly dislike having to come to other accounts with this, but I hope you can reach an audience louder than I can. There is currently a Hazbin Hotel "critic"/anti running around and harassing casual fans of Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss. Even sending death threats and rape threats (from what facts have shown in a post towards Chaifootsteps). Also harassing people on vent posts.

Said person is also harassing another indie show creator and telling her to not befriend anyone who likes Hazbin or Vivziepop. Also went looking through old posts about the creator's ex.

I hope this isn't me coming across trying to make drama, but just as a warning for those who do like Hazbin/Helluva still but are critics on it.

I’m extremely late to the party but lucky for us that account is gone. What a weirdo.

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I remember someone replying to a funny Alastor fanart saying something along the lines of 'He's too crazy/energetic he needs to get fucked' and I'm just like.. 🤨🤨🤨😨😨

Hard side eye to whoever made that comment.

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Viv needs to understand that actual good SA in media only show it implied, and not just a scene of someone just getting SA'd in a music video, especially with no warning.

The fact they didn’t add a content warning is crazy 😭.

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I purposely blocked out the Tumblr user above for privacy reasons but here is the post they made for context.

But yeah, the biggest problem with Vivziepop and majority of her version of the seven deadly sin designs is that you can’t tell which circus theme correlates to which. If you aren’t cheating through Vivziepop’s Twitter then you are relying on weak head canons. I can only confidently recognize Lucifer, Mammon, and Satan’s theme. I have an idea what Leviathan’s circus theme could be but honestly I could be wrong.

Other than that I cheated my way through especially with Ozzie and Bee. For the longest time, I thought Bee was an acrobat. If you, the audience have unironically look through Vivziepop’s Twitter and Patreon to find the answers then she failed her job. Like you said Anon, there is too much going on along with contradictions (which as a concept can be interesting). Big correction regarding Rebecca, Dana, and Vivziepop and the schools they went to. All three women went to SVA not CalArts.

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Hii im the anón Who mentioned Midnightybrid1's Alastor "redesign", I actuslly meant "recolor", they posted in an ask an edited Alastor image color palette matched the cannibal citizens's and I mentioned that the colors were more pleasant to look at. Sorry for the confusion, idk why I mixed the terms up😅

Ah, gotcha! Thanks for the clarification Anon.

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I think instead of giving Velvette the racist “sassy Black woman” stereotyped personality, she should be an IPad baby. She has phone screens in her palms and is dual screening Cocomelon sensory videos, AI YouTube shorts, and some mobile phone game like Hay Day or soap cutting. She only speaks in Gen Alpha slang, so a daily interaction is like

“Ayo Vox, are you keeping up your skibidi gyatt rizz mewing streak, my based sigma dude? Mega aura points if you are, chat.”

“Velvette, what the fuck are you talking about.”

And also she puts on those AI generated videos on Vox’s screen so she can have four screens to look at. He doesn’t consent to it, but at least it keeps her quiet at dinners.

While I’m not a personal fan of Gen Alpha slang, that would be an overall funny concept to explore with Velvette in particular. Especially with the way she interacts with Vox and Valentino. Not only will it show the generational gap between the trio but illustrate how much Hell has changed and evolved over the years since now more younger adults and children are getting into Hell.

Even better with Velvette’s consistent Gen Alpha slang and material just imagine how much merchandise, relatability, and marketing Amazon and Hot Topic can milk with that. When Hazbin Hotel’s songs were popping off, I remember watching and seeing so many parody Gen Alpha fan songs making an uprise. And, it will definitely make a comeback once season 2 drops. Seriously, you can do a lot with this concept (in and out of the show).

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I can't find it in your spindlehorse tag so I hope you can help me out- Do you still have those screenshots of an employee currently (or maybe was currently working there since this happened like 8 months ago) posting the shots they worked on in GhostFuckers, mainly of Loona, onto TikTok where they respond to a comment twice about Viv where they state she's a "bad boss"?

It just came to mind with all this Meppity stuff. Like, if someone who ISN'T apart of the production isn't allowed to say anything about how Spindlehorse functions, then why don't we ask someone who IS an employee there, hm? As if the past employees who, at best, will just be harassed, and at worst, blacklisted from the animation industry, weren't proof enough, because they have nothing to gain and more to lose by coming out about their story.

It also reminded me of how Meppity excused Viv of all her past wrong doings and made it a point to act as if it was irrelevant drama meant to make her a boogeyman, and even mentioning that the doc she brought up might not be true. Just.. making excuses for her. Like that employee did with the whole, "You try managing a group of 200+ people." When professionals call her out, they still can't help but to give her the benefit of the doubt. Not that she really deserves it with how rude and passive aggressive she is on social media so she can have her wounded ego stroked by people who don't even know her on a personal level. No wonder she likes being parasocial with her fans so much. When people actually know her, as we've seen, unless there's money involved, they don't stay long.

Also, has anyone else noticed the irony of Viv getting pissy about Meppitys claim of not paying her animators enough, when likely based on her Insta stories and posts, she's spending 10k to go to a concert with her "friends"? Because I think the best part is that even seeing Lady Gaga in person can't make her happy.

Yes! I still do have the screenshots. If you guys are looking for a specific drama or incident(s) in general, go through the Vivziepop archive tag. It may be long to scroll but it’s 10x easier and more organized to get through than using the other tags.

Like you said up above Anon, this happened around 8 months ago. This was on Instagram and I stumbled upon it completely by accident. At the time, Joyark was a Spindlehorse employee and said all this. But here’s the full archive of how the situation occurred:

December 25, 2024 Reel (Ghost Fuckers):

Joyark posted the scene they did for Helluva Boss.

User asking Joyark_Toons’ thoughts regarding how problematic Vivziepop is:

Very ballsy despite this whole conversation ended up getting deleted later on. Joyark_Toons still responded to the user which blows my mind till this day.

Joyark_Toons Thoughts and Opinions on Vivziepop:

Joyark_Toons’ profile and description 8 months ago:

Joyark_Toons profile and description now:

Vivziepop still annoyed at Meppity’s video and is still discussing/arguing with other users about it:

Keep in mind she was treating her friends, Sam and Skye (aka Fakeblonde and Hat Teeth) to a Lady Gaga concert for their 30th birthdays along with going to a Backstreet Boys concert 😭.

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I actually wanna bring this up about vivziepop's writing, i feel like she COULD write an interesting and sweet ship related storyline for either hazbin hotel or helluva boss, but it feels like she just gaslit herself into believing "oh it's hell so i can make it as problematic as i want and justify it with the themes!!!" Cause it's not like she can't write a compelling ship without using the rapist, lies, or coercion themes. Look at her short film holidaze, the relationship between the two characters in that was so sweet and felt like it naturally progressed instead of being motivated by something horrible! It just makes the fact she CAN write romance stuff without those themes even worse since she chooses not to.

Not to be the heartbreaker or anything but for Holidaze, it was written by Gabe Del Valle. However, Vivziepop was definitely involved regarding the story and directing aspect. So to Vivziepop’s credit, she can think of and create sweet themes and storylines.

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Thinking more and more how Emily being the main character would make much more sense for Hazbin Hotel and be more fitting. Imagine a version of this story where Emily is an angel who wants to open a Hotel (as a substitute for purgatory) that acts as an oasis/ rehabilitation center for sinners so that can repent for their sins and eventually find their way into heaven (which would be flawed in this version but still ultimately GOOD).

Emily being raised in heaven her whole life explains her naivete to Hell. Her wanting to help sinners but being initially ignorant to how to address their problems and how they wound up in hell makes more sense with her not being around sinners. Emily being from heaven explains her not (initially) doing anything about the greater systemic issues with hells hierarchy. Emily being an angel would justify how she gets no respect from the goers of Hell as a naive outsider.

All of these things could factor into her character development, where she grows more self assured, more insightful to the situations of the sinners she comes across (asking things like how they lived and working from their to help them redeem themselves), and even wanting to take a more proactive stance of trying to overturn the systemic oppression in Hell's society. You could have Sera play a similar role she does in canon, but have her be a backer of her hotel whilst also being wary of her actions, not wanting Emily to be banished into hell for stepping to far.

There could even be an eventual payoff in season 2, where Emily falls and permanently gets banished into hell by the archangels (much to the chagrin of Lute and Sera), but she'd still be determine to help make hell a better place despite her turmoil.

This would also make her a thematic foil to Lucifer (who'd be the main antagonist), both being fallen angels. But whilst Lucifer is content to let Hell stay as a place of suffering and never admit to his wrong doings, Emily is willing to admit her faults and still maintains the resolve to try and make life better.

Also give Emily more noticeably black features like curly cloud like hair and melanated skin (none of the grey ashy skin nonsense they do in canon).

I would love to see that. Emily as a main character works especially with how likable she is and easy to root for. A naive, privileged Heaven born woman who over time challenges and questions Heaven’s authority. Potentially inspiring others to do the same and force change (even if it does take time). Even better, it fits the theme Vivziepop is attempting to illustrate and convey in Helluva Boss. Rising up against a world that screws you over.

When Emily is banished permanently to Hell she still remains hopeful which is an admirable trait to have. Sooner or later, her ideals will be challenged potentially by Lucifer since they are two sides of the same coins. The biggest difference is that Emily doesn’t let her struggles and weakness define her unlike Lucifer who wallows in his pride and self pity.

Yes, please have Emily, Sera, etc with actual black features. I’m tired of Vivziepop portraying the black characters as gray, light ashy people. Like yeah, I get it they aren’t human but still not an excuse to remove their features.