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Everyone look at this and PRAISE!! (I’m still MIA, but SEND LOVE TO ATSUUUU)

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@panicatthecourtx MUM LOOOK AT ITTTT!!

Gorgeous art, wonderful artist, amazing friend. I WOULD DIE FOR ATSU AND THIS AU

south park x dc comics au

that me and @drawing-write made 🫶🫶

it started from the idea of the main 4 as the robins, then it just escalated from there

also i personally only know the surface level stuff about dc,, ren is the one who knows all the lore and read the comics

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I just think you make it so clear that you have so much genuine love for the topics that interest you, and I just think that's really cool!

You're so nice to me *sobs*, my ramblings are so disjointed-

I have always really liked Odysseus, but I feel a lot of his nuance was lost to me until now. I really like learning more about subjects like this, especially with people as sincere as you about keeping informed and being so forthcoming with not only sharing your thoughts and opinions but also linking it with the actual texts.

Ohhh- Gosh, I wish Jorge did that with Leucothea. That would so cool and would make so much sense. It definitely would have added more to the story. I feel like I would've like that a lot more, because the Vengeance Saga is my least favourite Saga and I have not listened to Get In The Water or Six Hundred Strike at all. I always skip them when I'm listening to the musical. I just- didn't like them.

Aaaa! Prince Of Egypt mention! I'm a christian protestant and I ADORE that movie. Watched it so many times, also at school actually! I go to a catholic school, many of my classmates have watched it too. My religion teacher even put on during class, and though he explained the inaccuracies and the creative liberties taken, he also told our class that he watches that movie with his family all the time. It would have been so, well, epic, if a retelling of the Odyssey did that as well. To serve the story some justice in a beautiful and respectful way.

For Circe and Odysseus- Yess, I wish Jorge added the power imbalance there. The transactional relationship between them, I mean what more could Odysseus do in the face of a Goddess? Especially since he wanted his men to live. I also- sorta wanted more of Love In Paradise? Odysseus' mental state and how Calypso treated him. Like what you said before about Odysseus, a warrior, being powerless. I wanted more of his thoughts, more of the long-term consequences on how he perceives people and especially women? I hope I'm not reading to much into it, but him being an SA survivor and how that would affect his relationships really interests me, I don't want him to suffer, I just wish there was more. If that even makes sense?

Coming into the Epic: The Musical Fandom was sorta a shock to me, like, when I discovered the "Manwhore" AU on tumblr, I just felt uncomfortable. I know it's supposed to be comedic and funny, but I don't see how Odysseus giving his body to Zeus or Poseidon to save his men is supposed to be funny at all?? I've seen people in the fandom talk about him being an SA survivor, in regards to Circe and Calypso, so I really don't understand why they would play something like this up for laughs? Since SA is a serious topic. And when I was on Ao3, the fanfics I've seen floating around about it mostly made him enjoy selling his body and it's just- gross, I think. Like why write about that? Why make him suffer more? Why write him enjoying it?? The writers could have just written about what happened in the actual Odyssey if they wanted to write something angsty with Odysseus being SAed and explore his struggles, instead of making something up about Zeus and/or Poseidon.

Misinformation is very rampant in the community, not just about the source but also the Canon of the musical itself? People in numerous comment sections make up stuff about things Jorge has supposedly said and no one provides sources. I've seen so many instances of this, and fans get very upset when another person says, "No, that never happened, this is misinformation" because it's apparently rude, but I really don't think it is? Like, refuting someone because they don't have facts straight isn't something to get angry at them for. Facts are facts. And personal headcanon should never be presented as actual fact when there's nothing to back it up. Especially in places where many people are going to see it and think it's actual fact. You're right on it being damaging. Misinformation is very harmful and completely shifts how a person who is less knowledgeable on things will perceive said things. Y'know?

As for yapping- There is nothing to forgive, as I've told you before, please keep going! Keep sharing your thoughts, I love it so much.

Please I'm so terrible at talking, I just word vomit- dghdhjgdkjdh

Hello! I just stumbled upon your blog when I joined The Odyssey community! If it isn't too much a bother to ask, what things, reccuring themes and characterizations do you feel are most important and iconic within The Odyssey?

I am asking this mostly because I really do like your rants and opinions, I find myself agreeing to a lot of what you say, which sorta surprises me because of your clear dislike of Epic, whereas I personally adore Epic: The Musical. (I stayed away from it for a while -I was wary of retellings, adaptions and what-not- until I finally got into it like, a month ago and since, I have been listening non-stop)

So, when I came onto your posts, I was immediately drawn towards your Epic based rants and your translations. Point for point, you hit all the parts I disliked about the musical, albeit, my dislike is obviously much milder, since I still love it. I also completely understoond your stance on source material over so-called retellings since I have felt and still do feel the same about other (unrelated to The Odyssey) medias and fandoms.

If you'd like to talk, I love to hear more of your thoughts! Tell me all of what you loved about The Odyssey. Refresh my knowledge and give me your insight! I'm getting back into reading it, since I read it only once before a long time ago. I have always been more of a casual enjoyer, but now I'm really trying to dip my toes in.

(You don't have to say anything about the musical either, I just really liked your rants on it and the corrections you made on the misinformation rampant in the fandom due to preconceived notions... Sorry, I talk a lot-)

Why hello and I am quite honored you discovered me hahahahaha oh my, my once again being known for my runts huh? Hahaha XD I can see why though! I am really honored you decided to ask me such intriguing question! Hahaha how dare you! You know I am a yapper about this book! Hehehe!

I would say one reoccurring theme in the Odyssey that I rarely ever see in adaptations is the theme of seeking of knowledge. I find it so disappointing how it is literally one of the main themes of the Odyssey and yet I rarely ever see it happening. It is literally at the first lyrics of the poem:

πολλῶν δ᾽ ἀνθρώπων ἴδεν ἄστεα καὶ νόον ἔγνω

He saw many cities of men and gained knowledge from them

(Translation by me)

Odysseus was not just experiencing his homecoming. It was a cognitive trip; a trip where he learnt things and he achieved things on his way.

He didn't stop at the cave of Cyclops because he had nothing else to do or no food to go by. It is clearly stated in the Odyssey that the island of the Cyclops was extremely fertile and had many wild goats and other animals they could hunt and feed on. Odysseus entered the cave because he wanted to meet the people that lived there. He ignored the signs that showed the residents were non-human because he wanted to give a chance to whoever lived in that cave to show that they were more than what met the eye.

He met the land of Aeolia next. His stay in that land for one month was share knowledge with Aeolus. He told them his story, they also told him their own experiences, thus Odysseus knows about how Aeolus arranged the marriage of his children and all

He sent scouts to the land of the Laestrigonians and their city, he was though more prudent this time and assured a safe passage even if his comrades didn't follow his prudent stance this is what costed them their lives but one ship.

He shared knowledge with Circe, not only on the part of his trip that he needed to move on but also gained knowledge from her. One example is the mention of a cunning knot he learnt from her which he used later in his adventures. Small details like that.

He gained knowledge from Tiresias not only on how to break his curse but also on what happened the years he was away from his home.

He had no reason to hear the sirens! The sirens is exactly the manifestation of his trip being of cognitive nature. He wanted to hear them. He NEEDED the knowledge they provided! Removing that concept from his trip in any shape or form shows to me someone who does not understand the Odyssey (I know it is harsh to say but I feel like there is one part of the Odyssey that is so iconic like the 12 axes challenge and that is the sirens passage)

Odysseus learns in every part of his trip and uses that knowledge to future adventures. But what I also fail to see is how CONSCIOUS this knowledge-gain is. Of course he learns things accidentally too but most part of it is knowledge he chooses to acquire for himself.

Another theme that I do not see much is theme of fate and destiny. Odysseus is not some idiot who doxxed himself as most people use the overused joke. In fact his trip is so thick of plot that one way or another something would have happened to cause this wandering.

Troy was destined to stand 10 years (from the Iliad),

Odysseus was destined to go home in 20 (hence he needed extra persuasion to go to the war).

Polyphemus was prophesized before that he would have been blinded by a man named Odysseus (he just didn't know who that Odysseus would be)

but we also know that Odysseus was destined to meet Circe (Circe mentions how Hermes had warned her for the prophesized man coming to her isle. She probably was unaware on the identity of the man or how that man would arrive at her doors)

Odysseus was also cursed by Polyphemus that he would either never return or return alone without his companions and find misery at his home

The true line between fate and destiny and human will is very thin in greek mythology. However we also see that Odysseus tries repeatedly to change fate even if it is inevitable (see my analysis here). It is this human part of his that is so relatable! Also the fact that oftentimes in the joke people forget that Odysseus experienced the absolute horror in the cave of Polyphemus for days. Exhaustion and anger took the best of him as well as of course his ego being inflated that he had managed to take down such a powerful opponent. And of course the reoccurring misunderstanding that Odysseus never cared for anyone else but as I have also analyzed there that is simply not true. It is even stated in the Odyssey:

πολλὰ δ᾽ ὅ γ᾽ ἐν πόντῳ πάθεν ἄλγεα ὃν κατὰ θυμόν, ἀρνύμενος ἥν τε ψυχὴν καὶ νόστον ἑταίρων.

He suffered many torments in his heart out at the sea, seeking to win his own life/soul and the return of his companions

(Translation by me)

The whole trip was always about Odysseus wishing to return them all safely home. Which is also part of his tragedy and shows why he went in so many lengths to save them etc.

I am honored that someone that likes this piece of media can still understand and even liking some of these opinions. I understand that for someone that genuinely like it might be a bit annoying or tiring but yeah I guess I love the original way too much! Hahaha! And okay I understand the songs are really catchy so it can be getting into someone's head easily but I am really delighted to hear you say that! And of course to be fair there are many things one can like about the musical for example the talent of the people related to it and their passion

However ironically that was the source of my dislike as well hehe I know it is paradoxical but when I see someone with obvious knowledge of the sources and passion for something, twist the original material to THAT degree...dunno I feel it even harder. I mean of course one does not expect it to be accurate but when I hear that and yet someone claim to adapt material I would expect of course these small details changing here and there for example adding dialogs with Poseidon (that is like a must in every adaptation minus the 1968 version I noticed...like Poseidon never interacted with Odysseus but that is something every adaptation adds!) or extra scenes with Hermes or whatever or even some of the details added. The problem is that the whole plot was twisted beyond repair, basic parts of the plot that made the plot unique and beloved were thrown out the window And BECAUSE I recognize the talent of the people involved AND seeing they had the chance as they did to make not only the Odyssey available to public but also influence more people to see it and they could do it by staying respectful to the material and yet they chose not to which increased as I said my disappointment. I was also very warm when I watched the first two sagas even if they were also inaccurate because they had exactly what I describe. So yes of course I absolutely understand why people would like it. Dang I absolutely do at least on the artistic department but the way as you brilliantly stated not only the plot but also the fandom of it has been at times it really got to me more than many things

So it is really a good change to see more people see this point of view too and I respect the fact that some people like it and yet do try to see the other view too. You are very kind for saying that!

Hahahaha dude you are asking a dangerous question! Hahahaha! I can talk about it forever! Hahaha Honestly what is there to me not to love about the Odyssey? For starters the fact that it is an ancient Greek poem, something linked to my country and my history and being loved in such a great degree and continue to inspire even almost 3000 years later, fills me with so much pride! Makes me inspired to do something similar! Like not caring if I will be a celebrity but someone see my work and admire it even if they do not know who I am...someone that can see this and continue to speak on it for generations to come... Of course many writers do the same as well like classical literature and all but for the specific one I feel so much pride!

The Odyssey arguably has everything! Romance, friendship and companionship, horror and peace, war and bloodshed and also tenderness of a family, drama and comedy, adventure and domestic life even daresay sci-fi details with the Phaeakes island that have literal robotic dogs created by Hephaestus for them. Odysseus is one of the most complicated personas in all literature history and earned that position in the hall of fame. Arguably even ancient Greeks and Romans could not handle the guy with so many different opinions that paint him from hero till villain. The same guy that held back from the battle till the proper moment and then abandoned his last escape to save Diomedes in the Iliad is now sailing to the seas. The same man that took Ismarus and slay the men and took women of it as his property and mentioning it as casually as he could was also crying his eyes out in guilt upon hearing a song about Troy and the way the city fell. The same guy that tenderly held his son and cried like a baby holding him and kissing him was also the same person that slaughtered 108 men in his palace and executed their allies in less than a day. The same guy who reigned the kingdom like a father; who embraced and kissed his slaves like equals, was also undoubtedly a strong leader and king who defended his authority with iron hand and he was ready to even slay his own brother-in-law when he defied him. The same man that held back from volunteering to face Hector in the Iliad and made sure he would be the last to be chosen, in the Odyssey he armed himself ready to face an immortal 6-headed monster all by himself. The man known for his mind and cunning and indirect ways is also known for being one of the greatest warriors known. Arguably even his age being one of the oldest kings in the Iliad and yet as Antilochus said he was also one of the fastest and more agile and one of the best in spear. The most pious and religious people to the gods, favored by one of the greatest goddesses of all, Athena, and loved by Zeus was also one of those who suffered a great deal from his hubris.

This man is the absolute perfection of contradictions in one body and the way he is portrayed by Homer especially in the Odyssey where he is the protagonist is a masterpiece of emotions. Arguably Odysseus is also one of the earliest male rape victims in literature for he was not just attempted to be raped and seduced but he had to literally sell his body once to Circe and then he was being forced by Calypso. A warrior that was absolutely powerless before the gods

The Odyssey is also a great allegory of the spread of Greeks to the Mediterranean sea before the official set of colonies and the way it provides us information on how they moved around. It is also an allegory on the dangers humans faced out in the sea, how they struggled and how the families left behind also struggled with the consequences. How the power of nature can bend someone but also how human with seer will can do incredible things Odysseus survived the impossible not because he had gods as parents or hardly any help from the gods itself with the exception of Leucothea in the last adventure and of course finally Athena to the final stage. Odysseus survived because of his seer will and his need to return home. Odysseus can be any one of us; a person who struggles every day; everything can hold us down and we might have no help or very little help from others but we must keep pushing through. The Odyssey also shows us the importance of companionship and family bonds, loyalty and trust. Odysseus didn't slay the suitors because he was a mary-sue all-powerful person. He had help from three loyal slaves (Euryclea, Eumaeus and Philoetius) and his son Telemachus. He didn't do it alone. He used the help of those who believed in him and quite frankly he faced a much less bad situation at his palace because of his wife's seer will and loyalty to not abandon the throne of Ithaca to anyone till he arrived.

The Odyssey is also about how there are many forms of strength. Penelope was not less strong than Odysseus because she didn't kill anyone with a sword. She was strong for keeping more than 100 men and several parts of the household that were betraying them with her seer will and mind. Telemachus was both a fighter and someone who tried to see the best in people and that saved his life (when he spared Theoklymenos at his return from his trip. Theoklymenos was a man who had committed murder. Telemachus chose to give him a chance and in return he received the prophecy of Theoklymenos that the suitors were planning an ambush) Odysseus also learnt forgiveness in one way when he was ready to start another bloodshed by the end of the Odyssey when the families of the suitors saught revenge but Athena stopped it, making sure both sides stopped the never-ending circle of violence. Nausicaa is an example of loving someone and yet you must respect their wishes and let them go. Telemachus is an example of self-discovery... The very realistic scenario of someone not recognizing the place they left for so long and people not recognizing you back. That you have to work yourself through the very same place you left behind! Even Telemachus as a character not even knowing what to believe anymore about the father he never met, not knowing whom to listen and whom not to etc. like a realistic scenario of absent veteran fathers who disappeared a long time ago...

Honestly...what ISN'T the Odyssey?! It is in my opinion one of the most complete pieces of literature that opens the way in many things! I am really happy you shall decide to look at it more attentively and I hope you shall enjoy it because honestly it's worth it.

(My friend I do not mind at all speaking about it. I am just not a fan so I am just asking the understanding of anyone that I am not gonna be very positive about what I mention and say. However I shall try not to be hater with no reason or logic, that I can promise to try)

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Okay! SO, I just read through everything you posted here (which, by the way, beautifully arranged and comprehensive, I love the way you WORD-)

The themes you drew from the texts and how you link it to Odysseus and the narrative, the complexities of it all, is so freaking cool. I'm sorry I cannot express words as well as you to fully say how much I adore and appreciate how in-depth you went.

As I've said before, I have read the Odyssey, but that was long ago and while I enjoyed it, I admit I didn't understand it- at least not fully. My experience being more surface level as a casual enjoyer. You've really opened my eyes and made me so so eager to reread and catch all of which I've missed. Yap and rant all day long, friend, this is everything I wanted. I am in starry-eyed awe.

GOSH, I CANNOT SAY ENOUGH HOW MUCH I LOVE CONTENT LIKE THIS. Your genuine love and pride for this has me so giddy. The way you go about it makes it clear how much effort you put in, it's so well-thought out and loved.

(I am probs gonna be scrolling through your blog so much, I'm so sorry if you get random notifications from me hearting/liking stuff. skhkdghdh)

For the musical, I get you completely. When someone who should be knowledgeable on something you love, and clearly has passion and talent for it, yet still not grasp what makes the original what it is, freaking sucks (for lack of better words.)

I have gone through similar things seeing people who should be making something great out of a wonderful story only to take out the parts you loved the most or fail to capture the essence of the characters, story, and themes- It just sucks.

Some of my favourite things to read is historical fiction, which sorta clashes with my love for history. Because fiction often gets things wrong. (I also have pretty strong opinions on adaptations and retellings as well, I get so very angry over some things in other medias- UGH the rants I could go on about book to movie adaptions- but that is neither here or there.)

I am also a musical nerd, so I guess that's what gives me my soft-spot for Epic. I feel like I would have been more against the musical if I had delved into the Odyssey beyond surface level beforehand. Perhaps because I already grew attached to Epic I can't muster feelings of upset even though the things I dislike about it are similar to what you dislike about it. That being inaccuracies mostly.

Learning more now only brings me more appreciation for the original. (I really can't get enough of the connections you put, describing Odysseus and just how real he is, how contradictory he is. It's aaaa)

This has just been me rambling, I'm so sorry I literally have no insight to contribute to this *sobs*

Hello! I just stumbled upon your blog when I joined The Odyssey community! If it isn't too much a bother to ask, what things, reccuring themes and characterizations do you feel are most important and iconic within The Odyssey?

I am asking this mostly because I really do like your rants and opinions, I find myself agreeing to a lot of what you say, which sorta surprises me because of your clear dislike of Epic, whereas I personally adore Epic: The Musical. (I stayed away from it for a while -I was wary of retellings, adaptions and what-not- until I finally got into it like, a month ago and since, I have been listening non-stop)

So, when I came onto your posts, I was immediately drawn towards your Epic based rants and your translations. Point for point, you hit all the parts I disliked about the musical, albeit, my dislike is obviously much milder, since I still love it. I also completely understoond your stance on source material over so-called retellings since I have felt and still do feel the same about other (unrelated to The Odyssey) medias and fandoms.

If you'd like to talk, I love to hear more of your thoughts! Tell me all of what you loved about The Odyssey. Refresh my knowledge and give me your insight! I'm getting back into reading it, since I read it only once before a long time ago. I have always been more of a casual enjoyer, but now I'm really trying to dip my toes in.

(You don't have to say anything about the musical either, I just really liked your rants on it and the corrections you made on the misinformation rampant in the fandom due to preconceived notions... Sorry, I talk a lot-)

Why hello and I am quite honored you discovered me hahahahaha oh my, my once again being known for my runts huh? Hahaha XD I can see why though! I am really honored you decided to ask me such intriguing question! Hahaha how dare you! You know I am a yapper about this book! Hehehe!

I would say one reoccurring theme in the Odyssey that I rarely ever see in adaptations is the theme of seeking of knowledge. I find it so disappointing how it is literally one of the main themes of the Odyssey and yet I rarely ever see it happening. It is literally at the first lyrics of the poem:

πολλῶν δ᾽ ἀνθρώπων ἴδεν ἄστεα καὶ νόον ἔγνω

He saw many cities of men and gained knowledge from them

(Translation by me)

Odysseus was not just experiencing his homecoming. It was a cognitive trip; a trip where he learnt things and he achieved things on his way.

He didn't stop at the cave of Cyclops because he had nothing else to do or no food to go by. It is clearly stated in the Odyssey that the island of the Cyclops was extremely fertile and had many wild goats and other animals they could hunt and feed on. Odysseus entered the cave because he wanted to meet the people that lived there. He ignored the signs that showed the residents were non-human because he wanted to give a chance to whoever lived in that cave to show that they were more than what met the eye.

He met the land of Aeolia next. His stay in that land for one month was share knowledge with Aeolus. He told them his story, they also told him their own experiences, thus Odysseus knows about how Aeolus arranged the marriage of his children and all

He sent scouts to the land of the Laestrigonians and their city, he was though more prudent this time and assured a safe passage even if his comrades didn't follow his prudent stance this is what costed them their lives but one ship.

He shared knowledge with Circe, not only on the part of his trip that he needed to move on but also gained knowledge from her. One example is the mention of a cunning knot he learnt from her which he used later in his adventures. Small details like that.

He gained knowledge from Tiresias not only on how to break his curse but also on what happened the years he was away from his home.

He had no reason to hear the sirens! The sirens is exactly the manifestation of his trip being of cognitive nature. He wanted to hear them. He NEEDED the knowledge they provided! Removing that concept from his trip in any shape or form shows to me someone who does not understand the Odyssey (I know it is harsh to say but I feel like there is one part of the Odyssey that is so iconic like the 12 axes challenge and that is the sirens passage)

Odysseus learns in every part of his trip and uses that knowledge to future adventures. But what I also fail to see is how CONSCIOUS this knowledge-gain is. Of course he learns things accidentally too but most part of it is knowledge he chooses to acquire for himself.

Another theme that I do not see much is theme of fate and destiny. Odysseus is not some idiot who doxxed himself as most people use the overused joke. In fact his trip is so thick of plot that one way or another something would have happened to cause this wandering.

Troy was destined to stand 10 years (from the Iliad),

Odysseus was destined to go home in 20 (hence he needed extra persuasion to go to the war).

Polyphemus was prophesized before that he would have been blinded by a man named Odysseus (he just didn't know who that Odysseus would be)

but we also know that Odysseus was destined to meet Circe (Circe mentions how Hermes had warned her for the prophesized man coming to her isle. She probably was unaware on the identity of the man or how that man would arrive at her doors)

Odysseus was also cursed by Polyphemus that he would either never return or return alone without his companions and find misery at his home

The true line between fate and destiny and human will is very thin in greek mythology. However we also see that Odysseus tries repeatedly to change fate even if it is inevitable (see my analysis here). It is this human part of his that is so relatable! Also the fact that oftentimes in the joke people forget that Odysseus experienced the absolute horror in the cave of Polyphemus for days. Exhaustion and anger took the best of him as well as of course his ego being inflated that he had managed to take down such a powerful opponent. And of course the reoccurring misunderstanding that Odysseus never cared for anyone else but as I have also analyzed there that is simply not true. It is even stated in the Odyssey:

πολλὰ δ᾽ ὅ γ᾽ ἐν πόντῳ πάθεν ἄλγεα ὃν κατὰ θυμόν, ἀρνύμενος ἥν τε ψυχὴν καὶ νόστον ἑταίρων.

He suffered many torments in his heart out at the sea, seeking to win his own life/soul and the return of his companions

(Translation by me)

The whole trip was always about Odysseus wishing to return them all safely home. Which is also part of his tragedy and shows why he went in so many lengths to save them etc.

I am honored that someone that likes this piece of media can still understand and even liking some of these opinions. I understand that for someone that genuinely like it might be a bit annoying or tiring but yeah I guess I love the original way too much! Hahaha! And okay I understand the songs are really catchy so it can be getting into someone's head easily but I am really delighted to hear you say that! And of course to be fair there are many things one can like about the musical for example the talent of the people related to it and their passion

However ironically that was the source of my dislike as well hehe I know it is paradoxical but when I see someone with obvious knowledge of the sources and passion for something, twist the original material to THAT degree...dunno I feel it even harder. I mean of course one does not expect it to be accurate but when I hear that and yet someone claim to adapt material I would expect of course these small details changing here and there for example adding dialogs with Poseidon (that is like a must in every adaptation minus the 1968 version I noticed...like Poseidon never interacted with Odysseus but that is something every adaptation adds!) or extra scenes with Hermes or whatever or even some of the details added. The problem is that the whole plot was twisted beyond repair, basic parts of the plot that made the plot unique and beloved were thrown out the window And BECAUSE I recognize the talent of the people involved AND seeing they had the chance as they did to make not only the Odyssey available to public but also influence more people to see it and they could do it by staying respectful to the material and yet they chose not to which increased as I said my disappointment. I was also very warm when I watched the first two sagas even if they were also inaccurate because they had exactly what I describe. So yes of course I absolutely understand why people would like it. Dang I absolutely do at least on the artistic department but the way as you brilliantly stated not only the plot but also the fandom of it has been at times it really got to me more than many things

So it is really a good change to see more people see this point of view too and I respect the fact that some people like it and yet do try to see the other view too. You are very kind for saying that!

Hahahaha dude you are asking a dangerous question! Hahahaha! I can talk about it forever! Hahaha Honestly what is there to me not to love about the Odyssey? For starters the fact that it is an ancient Greek poem, something linked to my country and my history and being loved in such a great degree and continue to inspire even almost 3000 years later, fills me with so much pride! Makes me inspired to do something similar! Like not caring if I will be a celebrity but someone see my work and admire it even if they do not know who I am...someone that can see this and continue to speak on it for generations to come... Of course many writers do the same as well like classical literature and all but for the specific one I feel so much pride!

The Odyssey arguably has everything! Romance, friendship and companionship, horror and peace, war and bloodshed and also tenderness of a family, drama and comedy, adventure and domestic life even daresay sci-fi details with the Phaeakes island that have literal robotic dogs created by Hephaestus for them. Odysseus is one of the most complicated personas in all literature history and earned that position in the hall of fame. Arguably even ancient Greeks and Romans could not handle the guy with so many different opinions that paint him from hero till villain. The same guy that held back from the battle till the proper moment and then abandoned his last escape to save Diomedes in the Iliad is now sailing to the seas. The same man that took Ismarus and slay the men and took women of it as his property and mentioning it as casually as he could was also crying his eyes out in guilt upon hearing a song about Troy and the way the city fell. The same guy that tenderly held his son and cried like a baby holding him and kissing him was also the same person that slaughtered 108 men in his palace and executed their allies in less than a day. The same guy who reigned the kingdom like a father; who embraced and kissed his slaves like equals, was also undoubtedly a strong leader and king who defended his authority with iron hand and he was ready to even slay his own brother-in-law when he defied him. The same man that held back from volunteering to face Hector in the Iliad and made sure he would be the last to be chosen, in the Odyssey he armed himself ready to face an immortal 6-headed monster all by himself. The man known for his mind and cunning and indirect ways is also known for being one of the greatest warriors known. Arguably even his age being one of the oldest kings in the Iliad and yet as Antilochus said he was also one of the fastest and more agile and one of the best in spear. The most pious and religious people to the gods, favored by one of the greatest goddesses of all, Athena, and loved by Zeus was also one of those who suffered a great deal from his hubris.

This man is the absolute perfection of contradictions in one body and the way he is portrayed by Homer especially in the Odyssey where he is the protagonist is a masterpiece of emotions. Arguably Odysseus is also one of the earliest male rape victims in literature for he was not just attempted to be raped and seduced but he had to literally sell his body once to Circe and then he was being forced by Calypso. A warrior that was absolutely powerless before the gods

The Odyssey is also a great allegory of the spread of Greeks to the Mediterranean sea before the official set of colonies and the way it provides us information on how they moved around. It is also an allegory on the dangers humans faced out in the sea, how they struggled and how the families left behind also struggled with the consequences. How the power of nature can bend someone but also how human with seer will can do incredible things Odysseus survived the impossible not because he had gods as parents or hardly any help from the gods itself with the exception of Leucothea in the last adventure and of course finally Athena to the final stage. Odysseus survived because of his seer will and his need to return home. Odysseus can be any one of us; a person who struggles every day; everything can hold us down and we might have no help or very little help from others but we must keep pushing through. The Odyssey also shows us the importance of companionship and family bonds, loyalty and trust. Odysseus didn't slay the suitors because he was a mary-sue all-powerful person. He had help from three loyal slaves (Euryclea, Eumaeus and Philoetius) and his son Telemachus. He didn't do it alone. He used the help of those who believed in him and quite frankly he faced a much less bad situation at his palace because of his wife's seer will and loyalty to not abandon the throne of Ithaca to anyone till he arrived.

The Odyssey is also about how there are many forms of strength. Penelope was not less strong than Odysseus because she didn't kill anyone with a sword. She was strong for keeping more than 100 men and several parts of the household that were betraying them with her seer will and mind. Telemachus was both a fighter and someone who tried to see the best in people and that saved his life (when he spared Theoklymenos at his return from his trip. Theoklymenos was a man who had committed murder. Telemachus chose to give him a chance and in return he received the prophecy of Theoklymenos that the suitors were planning an ambush) Odysseus also learnt forgiveness in one way when he was ready to start another bloodshed by the end of the Odyssey when the families of the suitors saught revenge but Athena stopped it, making sure both sides stopped the never-ending circle of violence. Nausicaa is an example of loving someone and yet you must respect their wishes and let them go. Telemachus is an example of self-discovery... The very realistic scenario of someone not recognizing the place they left for so long and people not recognizing you back. That you have to work yourself through the very same place you left behind! Even Telemachus as a character not even knowing what to believe anymore about the father he never met, not knowing whom to listen and whom not to etc. like a realistic scenario of absent veteran fathers who disappeared a long time ago...

Honestly...what ISN'T the Odyssey?! It is in my opinion one of the most complete pieces of literature that opens the way in many things! I am really happy you shall decide to look at it more attentively and I hope you shall enjoy it because honestly it's worth it.

(My friend I do not mind at all speaking about it. I am just not a fan so I am just asking the understanding of anyone that I am not gonna be very positive about what I mention and say. However I shall try not to be hater with no reason or logic, that I can promise to try)

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More in my Untitled google docs!

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This was in my series of Untitled google docs-

Anyways,

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Part One - Part Three

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Another SVSSS Fanfic idea! Once again an idea I came up with on discord two years ago. (I genuinely don't know if this has been done before, so please link me if it has!)

Main Premise: Shang Qinghua transmigrates into Binghe: "Oh shit."

Shen Yuan transmigrates into Mobei: "Aw fuck."

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In this AU, between both transmigrators- Cucumber would be the first to clue in who is, mostly because the minute he transmigrates into Mobei Jun, he's going to take in the following things, 'ice demon' 'northern desert' 'mobei' and then reach his conclusion on who he is. Because Shen Yuan loved the world-building sections of PIDW, not as much as he loved the beasts, but it was definitely up there.

Also, SY is User 001, because he was put in before MBJ plot began around the time his uncle wanted to kill him when MBJ was just a little kid, so the system would just put SY in that time, probably during one of the murder attempts, SY just wakes up and is greeted with, [Welcome User 001! First mission: Survive!] and SY is just thrown into this.

Meanwhile, for Airplane, his journey began right at birth because that is how PIDW started, he's Luo Binghe, living out childhood into lordship. But Airplane would be slower in realizing, because while he created this world, he's mostly stuck in the novelty that he reincarnated, like in those stories he read. His death is still lingering in his mind, (unlike SY, because Airplane's death was probably much more traumatic, getting electrocuted to death and all)

Anyways, Airplane is just living his life with his mom, and realizes he's Luo Binghe when his mom calls out his name. But it doesn't really hit him until he watches his mom die and the system appears saying [Congratulations on the first plot point finished User 002! Are you ready to proceed?] and Airplane just disassociates as it sinks in I am Luo Binghe. And my mom is dead.

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Part Two

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Okay, so I unfortunately don't have access to my art-stuff, but I figured someone would appreciate my Work In Progress of this drawing.

I'll finish it soon... Hopefully.

(ALSO I JUST DISCOVERED THE CROSS-HATCHING TOOL AND IT'S THE BEST THING EVER-)

Bonus:

Initial Sketch

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"I want to write a fanfic," says I, proceeding to not write a fanfic and instead stare at my multiple WIPs in distress and regret. 😔

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Ohemgee, I have 120 followers now. It’s frickin’ WILD.

Crazy that people actually like my thoughts and art. Gonna cry fr.

*sobs competitively*

??

When the freak did I get 23 followers?? I don’t remember this development. and that’s saying something considering I obsessively check my account activity every hour. Am I blind? 😭

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Leave his boots alone Jimmy! >:(

Curly and Jimmy as little kids playing dress up.

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I wrote this a pretty long time ago, so please excuse any mistakes, since it is a rough draft of the idea.

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Yue Qingyuan couldn't help the startled gasp that slipped past his lips as he stared with wide eyes at Shen Qingqiu, who was protectively clutching a child wrapped in blanketed cloth in his arms. His shidi bristled uneasily at the blatant shock, pulling the baby closer to his chest, eyes narrowed at Yue Qingyuan.

The Sect Leader took an aborted step forward before halting at the slight flinch he caught from his shidi- the man fidgeted helplessly in place, worrying his bottom lip between his teeth, "Xiao-Jiu-“

The younger man's eyes flashed in a quick threat, he stood up taller, no longer curling around the babe, though the child was still in his protective hold.

"This one would like Zhangmen-shixiong to refrain from calling this one that name." Shen Qingqiu says with gritted teeth.

Swallowing, Yue Qingqiu cleared his throat, "Ah, yes.. Shen Shidi... Where- Where did you obtain that child?"

Shen Qingqiu's face blanked, eyes unfocusing as he attempted to think of a valid reason for carrying a rodent with him like an unruly disciple wanting to keep a pet they saw on the streets he frowned a bit at the thought of being even the slightest bit similar to those little brats.

"I found out about him when his mother abandoned him." He calmly half-bullshitted, not completely sure if it was even the mother who dropped the child.

"You.. Found out?" Yue Qingyuan murmured, unsure of what his Xiao Jiu was implying but feeling a sense of unease begin to bubble up within him.

Shen Qinggiu averted his gaze to the side and tilted his head down, looking every bit aggrieved and hurt. Yue Qingyuan swallowed his tongue, feeling dread crawl up his throat.

‘Shit, what do I say? I found him in the forest? Do I lie? How can I keep this little rodent if I don't have a proper excuse to? I should've given him away when I had the chance! I really can't care for smelly little pests' Shen Qingqiu silently bemoaned to himself. Immensely regretting his decision of not shoving the tiny thing to his Jiejies in the Warm Red Pavilion.

But if he had done that, he would have telt guilty for inconveniencing those girls as well as feel terrible about refusing their requests to keep the thing himself. ‘I can't let Yue Qingqiu take this creature away from me. What would the ladies feel? The thing's mine now, anyways. I can't just abandon it.’

Shen Qingqiu looked up, unamused at Yue Qingyuan's sad looking eyes. ‘Why are you upset? I'm the one holding the damn thing!’

He curses Yue Qingyuan inwardly, tightening his grip on the bundle in his arms.

"Were... Were you forced to have this child?" Yue Qingyuan asked, turning a pale green.

"Yes." Shen Qingqiu affirmed, feeling off-put and yet slightly satisfied with Yue Qingyuan's obvious revulsion.

‘Did you not believe scum like me could take care of a mere child?’ He sneers inwardly, feeling a bit of pride swell up for taking in the small thing he found in the forest, for subverting his Sect Leader's expectations of him, if only slightly.

"I had no clue what was happening when the child was forced on me. But at that point I had no choice but to take him in." He continues in a reluctant sort of truthfulness, something bitter slipping into his tone at how he technically had no choice in taking in the brat. But when he remembers his jiejies' teary faces at the story of how he had randomly found the child, he softens and pats the bundle.

Looking vaguely ill, the Sect Leader wobbled on his feet, Shen Qingqiu felt a tinge of concern before he noticed Yue Qingyuan staring intensely at his little pest, he scowled at the man for even daring to gaze at his wrinkly rodent.

"You cannot take him from me, Zhangmen-shixiong, he is mine." Shen Qingqiu fiercely asserts, glaring severely at the older.

The man flinched, looking horrified, "No Xiao-Jiu! I would never do that to you!" He blurted out quickly, pale.

Stumbling forward, he put his hands in front of him, looking at Shen Qingqiu with almost watery eyes, "Please, you should know I would never- never do that to you."

The younger jolted back, startled by the conviction, causing Yue Qingqiu to turn paler, flinching back as well.

They stared at each other, one looking sick with worry and the other vaguely disturbed. Without another word, Shen Qingqiu turned his heel and walked away.

Yue Qingyuan watched him go, feeling a mixture of emotions, from exhaustion to anger.

Looking at his shidi's retreating form, seeing the tense fear that rested heavily on his shoulders, Yue Qingqiu was filled with an indescribable thirst to hunt someone down. The one who forced his-his... Shidi to have a child against his will.

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Cue: ✨misunderstandings✨

I found this google docs today. I completely forgot about this- but I came up with it almost two years ago. Wilddd.

SVSSS Fanfic idea

I came up with idea like, two years ago inside of a friend’s Discord DMs, so- All of the following is literally just me quoting younger me:

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I HaVE THIS IDEA FOR A CRACK- TREATED-SERIOUSLY, SORTA ANGSTY MISUNDERSTANDING-FILLED FIC

So, imagine this, right?

OG!Shen Qingqiu finds a baby, the baby is Shen Yuan who reincarnated with the system. OG!SQ is straight up like,

"wtf, who left a baby here"

And there's a little note that says, 'This child's name is Shen Yuan, please care for him." and Shen Qingqiu is a bit confused about them sharing last names, but waves it off as a coincidence. Though the baby looks a little bit like him, he's never had a child before. He takes the baby down to the brothel to give to the prostitutes there because he's sure that they'd treat the baby better than him.

But once he gets there and tries to hand the baby off after saying the baby's name, the girl's misunderstand that the baby is biologically OG!SQ's child and ask OG!SQ why he would want to abandon the child. He says the child has already been abandoned and he can't care for them because he wouldn't do good raising the baby.

The girls think the woman who birthed the child abandoned both OG!SQ and SY, so the girls feel sympathetic, but still persaude OG!SQ to keep SY. He can't refuse under their insistence and ends up letting the girls feed SY before going back up to his peak.

SQQ keeps trying to awkwardly raise the baby SY without letting his fellow Peak Lords or Disciples know.

Through a series of events, Shang Qinghua finds out and happily volunteers to be the uncle after a short freak out and being death threatened by SQQ.

So SQH, is kinda like, 'oh shit. SQQ adopted a child.

What's gonna happen to the plot.' and the system is like,

'no clue lol' causing SQH to overthink more.

SQH is gonna be the only one in the story who knows completly that SY is an adopted child of SQQ because he's 100% sure of his character's personalities and knows that SQQ wouldn't be going around bedding people- So that child definitely isn't biologically his.

Everyone else though is gonna misunderstand SY's origins in angsty ways.

Like YGY, QQQ and MQF are all convinced SQQ was harassed and forced to have the child. LQG is convinced that SQQ had an epic love story and fell for a woman that stabbed him in the back and abandoned him with their child. Ect.

It's all mainly SQQ's fault for saying things and not elaborating, causing everyone to jump to conclusions-

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SVSSS Fanfic idea

I came up with idea like, two years ago inside of a friend’s Discord DMs, so- All of the following is literally just me quoting younger me:

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I HaVE THIS IDEA FOR A CRACK- TREATED-SERIOUSLY, SORTA ANGSTY MISUNDERSTANDING-FILLED FIC

So, imagine this, right?

OG!Shen Qingqiu finds a baby, the baby is Shen Yuan who reincarnated with the system. OG!SQ is straight up like,

"wtf, who left a baby here"

And there's a little note that says, “This child's name is Shen Yuan, please care for him." and Shen Qingqiu is a bit confused about them sharing last names, but waves it off as a coincidence. Though the baby looks a little bit like him, he's never had a child before. He takes the baby down to the brothel to give to the prostitutes there because he's sure that they'd treat the baby better than him.

But once he gets there and tries to hand the baby off after saying the baby's name, the girl's misunderstand that the baby is biologically OG!SQ's child and ask OG!SQ why he would want to abandon the child. He says the child has already been abandoned and he can't care for them because he wouldn't do good raising the baby.

The girls think the woman who birthed the child abandoned both OG!SQ and SY, so the girls feel sympathetic, but still persaude OG!SQ to keep SY. He can't refuse under their insistence and ends up letting the girls feed SY before going back up to his peak.

SQQ keeps trying to awkwardly raise the baby SY without letting his fellow Peak Lords or Disciples know.

Through a series of events, Shang Qinghua finds out and happily volunteers to be the uncle after a short freak out and being death threatened by SQQ.

So SQH, is kinda like, “oh shit. SQQ adopted a child. What's gonna happen to the plot??” and the system is like,

'no clue lol' causing SQH to overthink more.

SQH is gonna be the only one in the story who knows completly that SY is an adopted child of SQQ because he's 100% sure of his character's personalities and knows that SQQ wouldn't be going around bedding people- So that child definitely isn't biologically his.

Everyone else though is gonna misunderstand SY's origins in angsty ways.

Like YGY, QQQ and MQF are all convinced SQQ was harassed and forced to have the child. LQG is convinced that SQQ had an epic love story and fell for a woman that stabbed him in the back and abandoned him with their child. Ect.

It's all mainly SQQ's fault for saying things and not elaborating, causing everyone to jump to conclusions-

(Check the reblogs for part 2. Aka, my old writing on a scene in this hypothetical fanfic.)

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People seemed to like my previous drawing, so I made some more sketches! Once again, credit goes to @neal-illustrator for the designs! They’re so wonderful.

These are really rough sketches snksnsks

Let me know if anyone wants me to solidify the lines and colour it or something <33

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This is for @neal-illustrator! And also for myself, to cope with the sheer heartbreak that comic caused me. Of course the character designs belong to Neal!

I love them so much *cries*

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Epic: The Musical Discord Roleplay Server

This server is new, so there are many untaken characters.

If you'd like to bring characters from the Iliad and Odyssey into this RP, feel free to! Just remember, this is under an Epic context.

If you want to make friends while simultaneously roleplaying a character from Epic, read below!

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This Roleplay takes place in a modern reincarnation AU:

All mortal characters from Epic: The Musical have been reincarnated and remember their past lives—except for Odysseus, who remains unaware of his past life back in Ancient Greece.

The deities have not reincarnated. They continue to exist as gods and goddesses, though they have adapted to the modern world. Similar to how they did in the Percy Jackson books.

Note: Please do not mention the reincarnation to Odysseus. Majority of server members must agree to when it is revealed.

Both paragraph-heavy and not paragraph-heavy roleplayers can join!

Important Information

Currently Taken Characters:

Odysseus

Polites

Eurylochus

Reserved Characters:

Penelope

Telemachus

Athena

Any characters NOT mentioned are available, along with Original Characters, please just DM me to ask!

Characters around Ody’s age are in their 40s meanwhile characters around Telemachus’ age are in their 20s.

Note: This list is subject to change with the addition or removal of characters/members.

Rules:

All members must be 17+

If you are inactive without letting myself or my moderators know, you will be removed and your character will be opened again!

No drama whatsoever, it will be an instant removal.

This should go without saying, but bigotry is not permitted.

New members must be active within 1 week or your character will be re-opened.

Please DM me if you are interested as we would love to have some people join and have fun with us!

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Format Credit: @panicatthecourtx, my awesome Online Mom! She has a super awesome South Park RP server, so if you're interested, please check it out!

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Rough sketch/doodle of Anti-Tulpar!Jimmy being a butterfly boy.

His wings got ripped out, yes.

Based off a harvester butterfly (it’ll look more like it when I colour this drawing.)