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Caged Bluebirds with Broken Wings

A Deltarune Chapter 2 Retrospective

So I'm not one to watch theory videos and whatnot, but I do passively hear what people have to say. And I think that not enough people are going back to re-analyze the older chapters. So here's some thoughts I have on Chapter 2, but with the hindsight of Chapter 3/4 information. So while this post revolves around Chapter 2, there will be references to the events of Chapters 3 and 4. Be warned!

(I might add images later, if I can remember to. ADHD will probably have other plans.) Over time, I've begun to notice some thematic parallels between Kris and Berdly. In Chapters 3/4, it becomes increasingly evident that Kris has wavering loyalties. They're torn between helping their new friends and fulfilling some unknown obligation to The Voice on the Phone. They're working against the interests of their friends, yet can't stand to see them come to harm. Looking back on Chapter 2, Berdly seems... similarly flippant. Working with Queen to achieve some inscrutable end, his actual alliance constantly shifts throughout the chapter. An obstacle, but only occasionally so. A friend to the heroes, even if he's working against them. If we interpret Berdly's arc as being a parallel to Kris's... things get interesting.

Let's start with Queen. Much of the chapter revolves around the relationship between the overbearing and controlling Queen and Noelle. One interpretation I've heard several times back when Chapter 2 was new was that it's meant to be a parallel to the relationship between Carol and Noelle. So if Queen is meant to represent Carol, then what does that make Berdly...?

In Chapter 4, it's very heavily implied (but not outright confirmed, don't forget!) that Carol is The Voice on the Phone. Carol seems to want to use Kris and Noelle for some nebulous purpose, possibly to cover the world in Darkness like Queen intended to. This implication is a bit stronger in the Chapter 4 Weird Route ending. I'd guess that her motives are December-related. Controlling others to achieve an end that's satisfying to her. There's... a lot of meta-narrative to unpack there, but let's step back to Chapter 2 for now. In terms of Chapter 2 outcomes, most people are familiar with the Pacifist Ending and the Weird Ending. But I want to focus on a lesser-seen outcome: the one you get when you use violence to resolve the Queen&Berdly fight.

As we all know, in this fight Queen has taken control of Berdly, using his body to fight not unlike some unwanted puppet on a string. Trying to take down the 'puppeteer' without aiding the 'puppet' leads to a rather unfortunate outcome. Berdly tries to wrest Queen's hold over him on his own. Ripping the intrusive outside force from his body, he ends up seriously injured, losing the use of his hand. A result that would be absolutely miserable for a gamer... or a pianist. Cut to the latest chapters. Many people have noticed a troubling amount of references to lost hands, specifically Kris losing a hand. "You thought you saw through your hand." -Using 'Glass' in the Light World "You couldn't find your hand." -Ch. 3 Gatcha Maze "As long as Kris has a hand to help me up..." -Ch. 3 Knight Battle "The protagonist wakes up without a hand..." -Ch. 4 "Blood Crushers 2" ...and so on. So what does this mean? Let's review Berdly's possible fates. A: Because of the MERCY of his friends (Berdly seems to place a strange emphasis on this), Berdly is able to wrest control from Queen unharmed.

B: Neglected by his friends that are busy trying to strike down their foe, Berdly tries to free himself on his own and is permanently wounded. C: Fully succumbing to manipulative forces, Noelle is compelled to use lethal force on Berdly. "But wait!" I hear you say, "Didn't Chapter 4 reveal that Berdly survived Snowgrave?" Well... there's a certain detail that comes to mind. Let's go back further. To the True Lab of Undertale. ENTRY NUMBER 6 ASGORE asked everyone outside the city for monsters that had "fallen down." Their bodies came in today. They're still comatose... And soon, they'll all turn into dust.

In Chapter 4's Weird Route, Berdly is comatose and unresponsive. Now, consider the fates of the Amalgamates in the Deltarune timeline. In the absence of the Determination experiments, the comatose monsters all withered and died, their dust buried in the graveyard. While he wasn't immediately killed by the spell, Berdly is not long for this world. This leads me to believe that in the future chapters, three possible fates await Kris. I speculate that they'd look something like this: A: The compassionate actions of the player somehow cause Kris's friends to learn of Kris's "promise", and they help them break free of their binding obligation to The Voice (and/or control of the SOUL). B: Left to their own devices, Kris resorts to desperate measures to break free from the control of others, ultimately losing a hand in the process. C: The player commands Noelle to kill Kris, allowing for full control over a new vessel: Noelle, who is more powerful and more compliant than Kris.

...Of course, this is all just my personal interpretation, subject to being proven hilariously wrong in future chapters. But I had to get these thoughts out the moment I connected the "Kris loses a hand" implications to the Chapter 2 endings. Naturally, if Berdly is meant to be a parallel to Kris, then I'm sure that many of the scenes in Chapter 2 will have narrative implications beyond just the 'endings'. I'm interested to hear about other Chapter 1/2 content that may have been recontextualized by the latest chapters!

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a couple addendums:

1) my brother would like everyone to know that the reason he didn’t play immediately was because he was graduating high school that weekend (🙄🙄)

2) my boyfriend would like to note that he voices ralsei (this is true we make him hurt his throat doing a very high voice whenever he’s there)

3) apparently I HAVE beaten Queen, I just didn’t remember it til I finished the comic LMAO (I beat her on my brother’s switch and I normally play on computer)

4) list of people myles has told me are Totally the knight: December, Carol, Papyrus, Asgore, Rudy

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Trance

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Berdly from Deltarune to undertale AU[with Papyrus and Sans]

OKAY SO LIKE SANS AND PAPYRUS FROM UNDERTALE ADOPTING HIM IS LIKE A YOUNGER BROTHER WOULD BE REALLY COMPELLING AND GENUINELY PRETTY GOOD FOR HIM I THINK-

Like he'd be able to express himself in any way he wants, intellectually or just goofing off and I think they'd encourage that-

While STILL being able to hold him accountable-

And Sans could totally help him out in regards to socializing with keeping his cool and just being more aware in general.

AND PAPYRUS-

Like both of them have forgettable themes in their character like do you understand this?????

But it's like they're on opposite sides of wildly different coins but both coins are made of the same materials if that makes sense???

I feel like there's a lot here and dynamic wise that would really be helpful for the growth and like actually vice versa a little bit???

What if the reason they adopted him is because whatever made Papyrus and Sans go to Undertale is the same thing that would get him into Undertale??

I feel like it would also be him doing something heroic again and then getting hurt because of it-

It's really sad but also very narratively fulfilling.

Maybe it has to do with Sans and Papyrus and it made them feel responsible for him because of that, even though I'm pretty sure they'd feel responsible even if the incidents weren't as closely tied-

I have a very clear mental image of him like angrily breaking down about the fact that he misses such a few people and the handful that are, aren't his parents.

He can't seem to muster that feeling for his own parents and like he feels guilty about it-

And Papyrus, being the one who's there with him at the time is the one that helps Berdly calm himself down.

I feel like Papyrus would say something about not being able to control our emotions but how we react to them, and who and who we don't choose to miss isn't something we should feel guilty about.

It's who we choose to honor is what's important.

Papyrus's face would be a little scrunched, his own feelings and maybe even his own actions- having to do something with the prophecy and he's guilty about it which is also really interesting-

It would be a good bonding moment.

Also I feel like Berdly would love the core.

(Like the hot Steam and the mechanical aspects of it would probably be a lot of fun for him to maneuver through I think[him and Papyrus will probably have a really salty thing about it because like both of them have such contesting opinions about it]).

I can't tell if he would latch onto alphys or just avoid her at all costs-

Because- that's an alternate universe version of his teacher-

And like I'm not saying it would be worse for berdly but in some ways I feel like it would be worse and better if that makes sense???

He finally gets the support he needs- but at the cost of also losing any and all connections with people his age-

He gets a better Outlook but the journey would kind of suck.

Another aspect of the sibling relationship would be Papyrus and Sans's transparency with him.

I feel like they would be more truthful with him than they would be with each other because of his position if that makes sense.

He doesn't have biases in regards to this relationship but he also clearly needs guidance and help.

Also for Papyrus and Sans who might kind of be pretending not to know what a human looks like - I feel like he would only get in on it halfway and like only marginally pretend not to know what frisk is.

It would be really really funny.

Also I feel like if he gains any and all visual abilities like either of the other two I feel like it would be like a sort of divination-

Which would be hilarious because this would probably make him feel uncomfortable which would also be funny-(especially if he somehow gains a deep understanding of the prophecy before he "left").

But... I feel like divination magic is something that almost doesn't happen in undertale like this would be like a big deal if it got out because like the last person that had divination magic probably died a long time ago-

But like I think it would make sense considering the way he grew in the storyline would actually really fit this ability because he would grow the emotional maturity to see past his own feelings and perceive a far more accurate bigger picture with the feelings of others to account.

I'm not sure what type it would be but I feel like it wouldn't be the most standard.

If there even is a standard that is.

But I feel like because of the journey he goes through he would gain a need to always know the most accurate truth he can.

Also if he meets an alternate version of Noelle in Undertale I feel like he would crash out a little-

It would not go well.

Like she would be just too similar and too different simultaneously.

And most likely? A lot younger.

Someone he would know as his "superior" would now be in grade school-

Honestly depending on how far he is on his character development ark- it would change how he'd react but I feel like for most of it he would just avoid her-

Which again fits really well with the skeleton siblings which is really funny.

And there're so many interesting directions you could take the character Arc especially compounded with like different routes, and that's not even talking about how the divination would work into it.

That's all for now.

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Kissu

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Many houses have been bombed in the last two days and the number of martyrs is increasing to approximately 405+ and also 6000+ injured. This is something that cannot be ignored. Please help me.

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ERAM. THAT'S ERAM. ON THE MEMORYHEAD OVERWORLD SPRITE. WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK.

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palm universe🪐

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Michelle lost everything in a house fire. She's a single mother and they're currently homeless. They've been staying in the hospital where one of her children is recovering from severe burns. After he's discharged, they will have nowhere to go.

They need the funds to secure housing and replace everything they've lost, including furniture, clothing, and other household needs. She also owed money to her past landlord before the place burned down. There's a possibility of her landlord suing her for the damages, so the goal may change to be even higher if that happens. Either way, they're going to need a lot of help rebuilding their lives.

Please share this and donate if you're able to. Anything at all helps.

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Seeing as how the Big Beautiful Bill just passed, here's are some websites that offer discounts on medications:

- GoodRx

- SingleCare

- Pharmacy Checker

- WellRx - this one compares prices across different pharmacies

- Cost Plus - thanks to @thedamnqueenofhell for suggesting!

-NeedyMeds - a nonprofit that helps pay for prescriptions. Thank you to @allitdoesispause for the suggestion! They also suggested checking the manufacturers website for a paitent assistance program, which can give you a coupon for free or cheaper meds.

-Ask for a discount card - thank you to @cccshutdown for the reminder!

Stay safe, everyone. Things are about to get much, much worse in the US.

EDIT: if you're worried about doctor/therapy appointments, see if there's a sliding scale clinic near you (and ask your therapist if they offer sliding scale prices)

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you know what's a chapter 4 idea i have that has absolutely no basis in the text but that i still believe with all my heart?

if gerson had somehow managed to get his letter delivered to the light world while maintaining the exact wording he chose when he wrote it, alvin would've been able to misunderstand it. just like he always misunderstood him while he was alive.

asking Susie to transcribe it for him was both a way to encourage her creativity and physically necessary to carry the message from dark world to light world. but i do think he couldn't say it right on his own. her translation helped the message be passed on in more than one way

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Hehehe… art dump:3

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more dr papyrus