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Nearly shit my pants from this

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Mutahar Is a Complete FRAUD...

Timestamps (spoilers). Please read the end of this post. This entire video is about restoring Max's credibility and holding Mutahar accountable. Law enforcement 16:58 Muta believes Max never works for the police. 17:15 Muta knows better 20:32 law enforcement involvement does not guarantee consequences for a predator. 17:24 The process. 17:59 Predators tend to get away with it. 20:00 there is a long history of this. 19:32 Max encourages people to talk with law enforcement. 1:26:52 Max was able to contact an attorney for the Cameron Jerrard Davis case. 1:32:52 The victims made reports to the proper authorities. 1:41:05 Max lays out the facts of the Cameron Jerrard Davis case. This is a summary, but this only covers Max and Spencer's side. 2:50:19 "An actual Redditor understands how to provide incontrovertible evidence - Mutahar" Max debunks the Reddit post which is a major source to the claims that all of his videos are fake. This includes Frozen 3 by Cartoon Incorporated being tied because of the font (The post showed the wrong font. The font is instead a very popular font that even Mutahar uses), and PabloSunny from IMVU Muta 1:32:00 Improvised summary of every way Mutahar had a negative impact in the case 1:41:56 (1:42:14) Basically what Muta did. 43:04 1:16:26 1:17:19 Special pleading from Muta. Muta's evidence requirements only silence victims. 2:11:40 Muta discredits the picture of a bitemark which was used as evidence. 6:24 Testimonies of the victims of Cameron Jerrard Davis. 38:52 (7:38) Muta later said he realized this is a serious case. 46:40 Max goes through the DMs with Muta around this time. (This is what best shows the negative impact Muta had on the case and his lack of cooperation. I didn't stop to timestamp the highlights). It ends in 1:11:44 with a conclusion that somewhat summarizes it. 2:09:40 2:09:59 Muta posted the faces of children advocates uncensored on his platform and retweeted the leaked names and usernames of the survivors, which encourages cyberstalking, invades their privacy, and endangers their lives. He also poke fun at Max for his blurring/pixelation skills claiming they were not sufficient and that he had to add extra blur on his video. (2:10:09 Muta quickly realized his mistake and deleted the retweet) 28:40 Muta is a bad friend. Mostly personal, airbnb, vidcon. 2022 32:00 his relationship was still amicable regardless (somehow) 2:12:43 Max's claims against Charlie. 3:01:46 Conclusion. Max has a very compelling case against Mutahar with many reasons to back up his case. Max is also unable to sue Mutahar thanks to his livelyhood being decimated as a result of the damages Mutahar has caused. According to Max, this video was done because "I think everybody will enjoy me making videos on my best friend Mutahar. A lot more than a lawsuit." 3:03:58 A question for the audience.

Max's takeaways. These serve as a summary 25:05 Max's takeaway out of Muta's video exposing him, part of it, so far. 1:19:10 Max's second takeaway out of Muta's video exposing him. 2:24:30 Max's third takeaway out of Muta's video exposing him.

The rest is less meaningful. Read the end of my post for context.

0:00-6:16 24:24 Mutahar discrediting victims of abuse in a podcast, while showing that he pretends to care and contradicts himself in his video. 6:24 Testimonies of the victims of Cameron Jerrard Davis. This is what Mutahar was discrediting 8:05 Introducing Mutahar 2:10:42 Muta does not care for any of the other victims. Only Kate and Spencer. 11:14 Muta shows he is not an expert, yet discredits someone who is a lot more educated on the matter and directly uses knowledge provided by experts. 1:37:15 Max roasts Muta on saying that public figures who are not experts do not have anything meaningful to offer and it asking them for help won't be beneficial for his case. Max shows JRE who is not an expert raising awareness which helped solve a case, his second example of this is Muta 1:37:50. 41:55 Muta does not think Max's approach is the correct one. Muta instead believes that the right approach is to discredit Max and the victims with Max's biggest detractors and other commentary channels. 2:02:04 Muta discredits screenshots as evidence even though he uses screenshots as evidence (I am aware he usually adds a disclaimer when he uses a screenshot as evidence on how they are not sufficient. This disclaimer is however not present when used against Max) 1:30:55 1:40:00 Muta demands for public proof, but only a few minutes ago he said that if the accused knew they were put under scrutiny or investigation they would delete the evidence. (Added context: Muta suggests this is why the authorities are supposed to handle the case) 1:40:00 Muta criticizes Max for calling someone a predator without evidence, even though he did that to NightDocs 8:20 8:44 9:10 Mutahar kept talking about the topic without caring of the bullying and cyberstalking he is causing. 12 hours of collabs. 9:54 He did this to someone who saw Mutahar as a brother. 1:48:22 It is not dishonest for Max to make more money making a video on something else. In this same timestamp, Muta acknowledges YouTube demonetizes and supresses these topics 1:49:30 Muta uses Max's earnings and over inflates them to claim he does it for the money. Max shows how much he earned, and claims he used the money on the case. KidsChat made the same accusation. 2:09:14 pictures of Cameron with his victims. 10:00 Max admits that he made mistakes with how he presented his case 14:18 Both believe only professionals, law enforcement, and experts should handle these cases. Max took it upon himself when that didn't work 2:01:14 Max accepts this feedback from Muta. 2:29:24 Slimebeast did Max's case justice according to both Max's and Mutahar. Slimebeast did it much better.

The case against Mutahar starts 10:08 Max reacts to Mutahar's video on him 10:14 Smear Tactic: Poisoning The Well 13:52 Muta claims to make lighthearted content when this is not true. (please see 14:14) 22:19 Max says Mutahar only went against him because of cancel culture after he made a video against Charlie.

32:03 MamaMax presents the reaction channel trap to Muta. 39:40 which was not a secret 35:33 Max persists in getting a response out of Mutahar for his reaction channel trap. Muta sees this as being pressured. 36:44 Max did use ChatGPT for this (that is why it sounds weird) 37:02 Max's point of view while being told by Muta "I have a very serious investigation that I have to be 100% on" 40:10 Max predicted these content creators only care when it becomes drama/scandal/viral.

1:12:00 Reacts to the rest of the video against Max 1:12:26 "The story actually belongs to Max" - Mutahar (weird). Max claims this is a scapegoating so Max takes all the responsability. 1:14:48 Max claims he was ready to respond to handle legal counter claims against the case by the accused, but was not ready for counter claims by the creator 1:20:31 Muta disaproves of Max's disclaimers at the start of his godcult videos stating that they are fictional, even though he has never shown disaproval of his past videos which show the same thing in their disclaimer. It is the same with the theatrics 1:27:04 (This is disingenuous.) 2:00:08 Mutahar praised MamaMax 1:21:18 Max adds in the disclaimer that anyone who denies the contents of his videos are a potential threat to society. He attributes this to Milieu control, basically, us vs them, we are superior and more intellectual than them. 1:22:38 Max claims Nicholas has shared the same sentiment for this. 1:24:50 Muta completely skips over the cult expert. It is not included or addressed in his video. 1:36:12 Muta makes dark jokes out of serious topics. 1:36:42 He also takes sponsors 3:00:12 How Max's videos should be interpreted since they contain fictional elements.

1:32:44 expect a new video which will touch on Slug Entertainment's (Kevin Hill) breach of the NDA. 3:02:50 He is not done yet.

Originally I wanted to share my timestamps while remaining factual and unopinionated. Using Max's words, not mine. Doing so however would only spread misinformation. My opinions are below.

Max portrayed everything in DeOrio's streams as an attempt to discredit the victims, when most of it are jokes that could be considered in poor taste and in my opinion were irresponsible. I do still agree that some of this was discrediting the victims. Additionally he fails to consider any context on what could had changed Mutahar's mind, he portrays it as Mutahar being a manipulative liar, when the reality is that at this point in time the victims had lost all credibility as a result of Max's mistakes (which he admitted to make in "The Trial of MamaMax") and after this podcast the victims were the ones to restore this credibility and convince Mutahar that this is a serious matter. 7:38 Did Max realize that he has shown this? In my opinion, Max misconstrued the facts. He has proved that he knows better than this, and is fully aware of the full story. I cannot see this as yet another mistake. Max out of spite for Mutahar and to garner support from the audience has misled the viewer and miscounstrued what really happened. 7:38, does he realize he has self-sabotaged himself? That he has included information in this video that contradicts the story he wanted to present? There is a reason where he only uses podcast clips as a source of discrediting (the past) and not the video 28:40 You shared this and had these thoughts since the day you met him. 32:00 even if it was still amicable 9:04 56:04 how can you claim you saw him as your brother? sympathy points or foolishness? 1:21:18 Max's defends himself, but I still stand by what Muta said. I will add that his response to Milieu control is paranoid. It is evidently "I cannot be criticized". He is ironically using Milieu control to fight against Milieu control 1:22:38 I made a comment about this in his previous video already. What Max has said is not the same as any example he could provide, it is very different. They did not ask people to be ignorant of any opposition. They do not see power as a motivation, they see views and money as a motivation. I personally do not believe most of them have the goal of farming views or manipulate people, because this effect is a result of human nature that can be caused even by those who are not trying to manipulate people. Most people can be easily influenced thanks to a multitude of factors I won't mention for the sake of brevity sake, and to be wrong or flawed is natural. To not accept this as natural could lead you to the state of mind that Max and many others are in, where they assume people are brainwashed and do not have opinions of their own. I do also believe that even though Muta saw this as a genuine request to the fans to not listen to criticism and assume the worst out of those people, I am inclined to believe Max does not genuinely believe that his request should be taken seriously and that it is only a parody, just as I am inclined to believe the entirety of GODCULT is a parody of a cult that was supposed to serve an educational purpose. Because he did not explain in this video what GODCULT is until much later on and because he stands by claims that were supposed to be a parody, I have my doubts, and I am inclined to take these seriously as opposed to a parody. This is the second time Max has done something as a joke or parody, that turns out to not be a joke (The fake cancellation of Charlie and dramatubers is the first) 1:35:31 Show proof. 1:35:47 You could had refused. This is not a real response. A real response would be to explain why you agreed (which I assume would be a very simple and boring answer that some may find controversial) 2:45:00 you speak in future-tense the entire time. Not past-tense. We hear "we haven't done it yet but we are already in the process of doing that", not "We had already tried this". It was my belief that you were unnecessarily delaying the process. 2:48:18 Her response clearly shows that she believes you had not done it yet. You take this response as completely disregarding what you just said. Max, do you know what future-tense is?

There are many timestamps above where I purely stuck with what Max said without adding context of my own, because I knew Max made these claims out of context, and while completely disregarding the timeline of events or the information that is publicly available. They only serve as a cheap and poorly made "gotcha", and these are mostly only at the start of the video. Here is a compilation (most of these were shown above) 8:20 9:54 (not without reason) 10:14 10:58 (Muta did not try to prove it?) 11:14 24:24 25:05 26:23 33:43 37:02 40:27 41:55 1:16:04 1:33:12 (Evidence of haters doing it, not Muta) 1:30:22? (an accussation of a serious crime* this is what I assume Muta meant to say) 1:35:31 (Your requests sound like threats due to your track record. Even though Muta was wrong, I think this is also why he says this 1:37:00) 1:36:12 2:09:59 (2:10:09) 2:11:17 19+ instances Muta did the same to him and Max highlighted every time he did that (I don't have a timestamp on when he started. Before 2:17:00 and after 2:00:00. "WHERE'S THE CONTEXT"). Pointless claims and remarks that I wish did not even exist since they only prolong the video, again, mostly at the beggining (12+): 10:14 11:14 13:52 (14:14 completely invalidates this. How did this claim go this far?) 15:30-16:58 20:57 21:28 23:50 24:24 1:36:48 (irrelevant, but important knowledge) 1:51:16. 2:12:00-2:50:19 (almost everything)

This video was a lot less polished than the last, and it is very poorly made. The last one was scripted, this one for the most part is an improvised and revised video reaction. A lot of important points are made later in the video, and while some points are valid they become an obstacle to the points that are more important in this video and are also constantly repeated or revisited throughout the video. This video feels like it was made for Max, rather than anybody else.

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Trial of MamaMax response and criticism

You said every single person, especially those who oppose you, have mass psychosis. When people oppose or support you, they can do so logically. To claim otherwise is nonsense. None of your examples support this (1:53:50). Your statement insulted everyone's intellect. Your examples educate without insulting, even to those who participate in that behavior. There was no reason for you not to address how people like DeOrio were taking a clip out of context. Instead, you portrayed yourself as a psychotic individual in your livestreams.

You continue to fail to clearly distinguish between artistic expression and reality. You might become more aware of this, but you still don’t make the distinction clear. I believe that’s partly because making a clear separation may go against your artistic expression. Besides that, your passion blinds you; you can’t see how others will perceive your videos. You assume everyone will see what you see. You will keep exaggerating the facts on the topics you cover and continue to present fiction as if it were reality. My suggestion: Provide a detailed disclaimer at the end of your project that explicitly states what is fictional and what is real. A vague disclaimer will not solve this problem.

You previously addressed your issue by asking for feedback, but you failed to understand that people are unlikely to watch your video entirely or analyze it thoroughly. They might just glance at it. You don’t understand how the average person consumes content. Everyone has many demands on their time—too much to always dedicate it to others, no matter how important the matter seems. Even if they do watch, do they care? The severity of the topics you cover doesn’t automatically make people care, nor does it entitle you to a response.

The severity of the topics you highlight is what you use to justify your entitlement. This will only lead to more alienation; it shows that engaging with you is risky. You are still capable of making a Charlie-like video about others. You say it’s a joke, then stand by what you said in that video to “clear the facts,” and then blame Charlie for your problems because your situation is so severe that you feel entitled to a response. How fake can this be, when you still stand by its message? That doesn’t matter to me. It’s just another example of your inability to clearly separate reality from fiction for your audience. Max, in this video you do not inspire confidence that you won’t make the same mistakes again. If you want that confidence, I expect you to prove you’re deserving of it.

This was originally written as a comment, however youtube filters prevented me from writing the comment in my own words and I had to use AI to send my message (as shown here). edit: The above is also slightly edited by AI. The original misses some of the minor changes I made.

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H3 Podcast playlist, the best episodes.

When I came back to watching the podcast earlier this year (I left for a year due to stress), I started adding their good episodes to this playlist

I believe the podcast has a lot of bad episodes and there's a lot of things the podcast does that makes these episodes not engaging, but regardless it is the most high quality high production podcast on the website with unmatched potential. I believe that a hater of the H3 podcast could start liking the podcast if they watched these episodes, because these episodes contradict many of their claims (such as this being a show purely and mainly for controversy and drama with unfunny jokes. If this was the case, I would not watch at all).

When I don't like an episode, I don't finish it. I click away. This is the best way to curate the playlist since it ensures that the only episodes which are included are the ones that are engaging from beggining to end. (This may suck at times since some episodes can be awful but have a few great moments later on. Some can have a great start but then end awful)

Enjoy the playlist

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If Ethan Klein was to see a post like mine, he would do what he has done before. Take it out of context and write a story on his own.

He would discourage people from bypassing the filters and say they are good and fair. Even though the post clearly states that just saying the word "you" could lead to your comment being deleted and to be able to post it, all you have to do is remove it.

YouTube assumes that "you" is only used as an insult at times.

H3H3 deletes comments and bans people from their channel. Manually. Screenshot on the right is logged in, on the left it's logged out, my test comment is not there.

The hate comments you see will be deleted in a few hours and the user will be banned. It is worthless

What many do not know, is that a content creator doesn't really delete comments, they can only hide the comment from everybody else. (For brevity, attention, and an easier understanding, I will continue to refer to the comment as deleted)

It is not automatic, because it took several hours for the comment to be deleted. YouTube only automatically deletes comments between 30 seconds to a 1 minute. (Very easily verifiable)

This obsession of regularly looking at all your comments to remove the ones you dislike, for a channel this massive that receives hundreds of comments an hour, is pathetic.

Whatever compels content creators to do this (it's often ego) is very abnormal, toxic, and a clear sign that someone is mentally unwell. Obsession is not a good thing. The very definition of toxicity states that the behavior causes harm or negatively affects the mental health of other people. The sick behavior people like Ethan portray online is the very reason of my existence, and why I should consider taking action (I will likely not).

I had left a direct link to my comment here if you wish to verify, but you are able to test this yourself if you prefer by writing a negative comment against Ethan, and in a few hours checking if it was deleted.

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Guide on bypassing the YouTube filters. This won't bypass channel moderation, only sitewide moderation.

If these instructions allow you to break the guidelines, such as sending death threats, it is not my responsability. It is youtube's job to enforce their guidelines, and because they continue to falsely target people, those same people will be motivated to bypass them.

To bypass the filters

1. Tell AI to repeat what you said. It will change the punctuation and add lines. For some reason this works.

2. Tell AI to slightly edit what you said until it works.

Without AI

Delete any mention of 'you'

Remove insults. Of course.

Try to not mention the names of people or products or locations.

Avoid any set of numbers

Don't share programming code on YouTube

Change your punctuation and add lines between sentences.

Delete words that could be potentially sensitive or offensive (rape, pedophilia). If you wish to replace them, use a completely different word to describe them, instead of "rap3" or any small variation. Or, describe the word, share what it means.

You also should not assume childish words bypasses the guidelines, such as pumpkin face.

If all else fails. It is much easier to divide your comment in parts, and post each separately.

As you can see, AI made this so much easier for me.

Refresh the page after a minute or 30 seconds. It takes between 30 seconds to a minute for youtube to automatically delete or hide a comment based on their filters. Sometimes, it takes a minute or two for the comment to be publicly available. I suggest not being logged in when checking if the comment is still up.

Some more general rules and mentions

Being able to see your comment while logged in doesn't mean everybody else can.

Mass dislike and mass reports could also lead to your comment or reply being deleted. This is very rare.

Avoid editing your comment. Even an innoffensive or very small edit, even adding a dot, could lead to the comment to be rereviewed by the system and for it to be deleted.

YouTube does delete comments, unlike channels who only have the power to hide them. YouTube can also hide comments, sometimes comments are only hidden for users who are underage, brand accounts, or not logged in.

If someone tells you to kill yourself, that does not mean YouTube will allow you to tell them to kill themselves. Moderation is not consistent.

Good behavior can lead to less strict filters.

If a video is deleted long after a minute. Then the uploader deleted it, or it was mass reported or mass disliked. This is very rare, that only happened to me twice, and it's more common in very old comments.

H3H3 deletes comments and bans people from their channel. Manually. Screenshot on the right is logged in, on the left it's logged out, my test comment is not there.

The hate comments you see will be deleted in a few hours and the user will be banned. It is worthless

What many do not know, is that a content creator doesn't really delete comments, they can only hide the comment from everybody else. (For brevity, attention, and an easier understanding, I will continue to refer to the comment as deleted)

It is not automatic, because it took several hours for the comment to be deleted. YouTube only automatically deletes comments between 30 seconds to a 1 minute. (Very easily verifiable)

This obsession of regularly looking at all your comments to remove the ones you dislike, for a channel this massive that receives hundreds of comments an hour, is pathetic.

Whatever compels content creators to do this (it's often ego) is very abnormal, toxic, and a clear sign that someone is mentally unwell. Obsession is not a good thing. The very definition of toxicity states that the behavior causes harm or negatively affects the mental health of other people. The sick behavior people like Ethan portray online is the very reason of my existence, and why I should consider taking action (I will likely not).

I had left a direct link to my comment here if you wish to verify, but you are able to test this yourself if you prefer by writing a negative comment against Ethan, and in a few hours checking if it was deleted.

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I don't believe that Ethan has changed. He is the same person as who he was in season 2 of the podcast

I believe this is something you had only noticed now, because there are many things about Ethan that are not easy to notice especially for those who are not trying to analyze him or his show. The nuances behind Ethan's character are only clearly seen by people who had been watching for a long time or when he makes it clear with his many major events.

Wtf happened to Ethan Klein man? I haven't watched him since before he did that show with Trisha Paytas so I'm just getting all this from the sidelines but like I'm hearing that he's beefing with Hasan over Israel/Palestine in favor of Israel and using doctored screenshots as evidence to slander people?? What?? I also don't really watch Hasan either, aside from a clip here or there so I have no idea what's going on. I feel like I missed an important character arc

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H3H3 deletes comments and bans people from their channel. Manually. Screenshot on the right is logged in, on the left it's logged out, my test comment is not there.

The hate comments you see will be deleted in a few hours and the user will be banned. It is worthless

What many do not know, is that a content creator doesn't really delete comments, they can only hide the comment from everybody else. (For brevity, attention, and an easier understanding, I will continue to refer to the comment as deleted)

It is not automatic, because it took several hours for the comment to be deleted. YouTube only automatically deletes comments between 30 seconds to a 1 minute. (Very easily verifiable)

This obsession of regularly looking at all your comments to remove the ones you dislike, for a channel this massive that receives hundreds of comments an hour, is pathetic.

Whatever compels content creators to do this (it's often ego) is very abnormal, toxic, and a clear sign that someone is mentally unwell. Obsession is not a good thing. The very definition of toxicity states that the behavior causes harm or negatively affects the mental health of other people. The sick behavior people like Ethan portray online is the very reason of my existence, and why I should consider taking action (I will likely not).

I had left a direct link to my comment here if you wish to verify, but you are able to test this yourself if you prefer by writing a negative comment against Ethan, and in a few hours checking if it was deleted.

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You believe your beliefs determine the true meaning of things such as 9/11, and are above the rest of the world.

I do not think that a thing such as a "true meaning" exists, and this example of brainwashing is nonsensical. We are not the same.

I tell and laugh at 9/11 jokes because the actions of the US Government after the disaster were horrific and we shouldn’t act like the only victims were those who died in the towers. You tell and laugh at 9/11 jokes because you have been brainwashed into thinking it’s just a big meme and doesn’t actually matter. We are not the same.

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I do not like LightSplash, and it is not because of his poor reading comprehension. The misunderstanding was too insignificant to be noteworthy.

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Not responding further was the best course of action.

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This is the best response to an internet controversy that has existed up until now. Below are the reasons why

Excellent foundation. The quality of the video, editing, audio, presentation, platform, among other things are important. Many may had done better, but may had been unheard from due to their situation warranting less exposure or their failure in one of these areas.

Acknowledgement. (I assume) all the allegations had been mentioned in the video and responded to.

Accountability. The accussed has retracted their actions and explained their reasoning.

Clarification. The accused has debunked some of the false facts that had been presented against them, and corrected the errors that had been made in the reporting of the information.

Educational. The entirety of this video has elaborated on every aspect of this situation and discussed them in detail, and it covers a very wide range of topics related to this situation from multiple angles. It discusses the effects of being the subject to these claims, the perspective of the accussed, the collateral damage this could cause to the victim, the accussed, and those related to the accused, the perspective of the person reporting the false information, an explanation on how information was falsified, an explanation of the actions of how the actions of those involved could be considered wrong, and the aftermath. The only thing this lacks is the full perspective of the person who has generated these false claims, because to achieve this you would require their full cooperation (I can volunteer, round 2 Sponter?)

The last is the major reason I consider this to be the best response, and one that is beneficial to study. Most videos do not offer any significant educational value. Stating that fake allegations and bad actors is meaningless to those who know, which is many, especially when most videos do nothing to convince. They only demonstrate.

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the tumblr people also deserve to see this tweet

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"My name is Mary.

Right now, I am..."

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I don’t know what I’m doing. I don’t know how this app works. I’m just here.