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Movieverse Cole (and a glacier)

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Justice for my man Eurylochus, everyone thinks he’s stupid when actually his trauma took him the opposite way of Odysseus

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I WISH Jorge had referenced the part of Luck Runs Out where Odysseus tells Eurylochus to be quiet because I feel like that’s an element missing from a lot of Eurylochus interpretations.

“I need you to always be devout and comply with this /Or we'll all die in this” is important because Eurylochus fails to do it by questioning Odysseus’ words (the bag is NOT treasure, it’s storm) and opening the wind bag and his actions lead directly to the facilitation of the death of most of the crew. I hesitate to say he’s to blame because, well, Poseidon is taking revenge due to Odysseus’ decision, but Eurylochus handed him means and perfect opportunity to do it.

So, after that, Eurylochus obeys everything Odysseus says to do. He takes men to explore Circe’s island. He stays put instead of running when Odysseus goes to rescue him. He follows intl the Underworld despite the fact that “hey this witch is helping us now by sending us to death’s realm, this is definitely not a trick” probably raised some questions. He doesn’t (or at least we don’t see) stray or talk to the souls in the Underworld even though Odysseus ends up doing it. He traps and kills the sirens.

He lights and gives out six torches.

So, if devotion to Odysseus wasn’t enough to save them? If Odysseusnis now using that devotion and trust to get them killed as long as he gets to make it home to his wife? What is he meant to do now?

Eurylochus doesn’t sound… fully there, during the second half of Mutiny. Whether there was divine intervention pushing him or madness or simply the pain of it all, he’s not acting rationally. He just saw six of his trusted men brutally murdered, asks Odysseus to lie and say it was a trick, and can’t even kill him when the truth comes out. Odysseus’ wounds are bandaged! (I’m not sure that he doesn’t actually know where Helios’ statue is from btw, both due to the melody and bc it seems outrageous)

We’re all talking about Odysseus pleading for Eurylochus to stop before killing the cows, but Eurylochus is pleading too. He asks how much longer is he expected to suffer, to push through doubt, to follow the orders. And Odysseus’ first plea is “I need to get home” (later “we can get home”). Let’s not forget Odysseus is selfish and Eurylochus knows that, maybe even loves that, but he’s not just hungry, he’s tired.

When Polites gets the location of the sheep cave from the lotus eaters and takes the men to it, he leads several of them to death and himself to his doom. When Eurylochus stumbles upon the cows, does he remember that? Does he deliberately invoke it?

Killing the cows isn’t about the hunger, not really. It’s about the devotion that was asked of him, the price he paid to learn that lesson, and the pain that silence put him through anyway.

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Hi guys

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Frustrating things people are getting wrong in the new Thunder saga in Epic the musical (spoilers for Thunder saga):

- Odysseus did have Eurylochus holding a torch when they passed through Scylla’s lair. He completely intended to kill him. The reason he lived is because he dropped his torch after he saw the men getting eaten.

- Eurylochus has every right to be mad. Not just because Odysseus had just shown that his crew was now disposable to him, but also because Odysseus literally just tried to KILL HIM.

- On the other side for Odysseus this was by far the safest option. The danger motif didn’t play once during Scylla because Odysseus was never in danger.

- Would a starving crew that just found out their captain was okay with letting them die just to get home mutiny? I think so, especially if he’s about to murder the second-in-command. Screaming “I won’t let you stand in my way” doesn’t look real good for you Odysseus.

- A bunch of people are saying that the crew was stupid for having killed the cows. Eurylochus was the one that killed one, and he tells Odysseus “you know we’re never making it home right”. He was prepared to die, he just wanted to die in comfort. Odysseus freaking out and trying to save them was probably a surprise for him.

- Was Odysseus right to sacrifice his crew? Debatable. His crew would have easily sacrificed him for their own lives. Odysseus had a whole arc on how he was a monster now, and how his family had become his sole motivation. Considering everything, it made complete sense for his character. Especially after the mutiny, since he now had his crew as an obstacle rather than a group he was leading.

-I’ve seen some things about how Odysseus was stupid for listening to the words of a siren for directions. In the original, Circe is the one who gives him directions, and the reason Scylla is the only option is because the other side of the route holds Charybdis. If they had gone that route him and his entire crew would have died. Circe was also the one who told him about the six torches, but I think in this one he is implied to have come up with it himself.

-People calling him stupid for listening to the siren also need to know that in the original, only his crew put beeswax in their ears. Odysseus had his crew tie him to the mast and then they basically watched him go crazy and try and get out of the ropes and into the water until they passed the sirens. Odysseus has always been this way, this is obviously why Athena chose him.

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Due to popular demand I did a little doodle of Tiresias

My old design of him had an infinite lenght beard so I made the twink version have infinite lenght hair.

And also he just kinda slides around like a slug bc I thought that'd be kinda funny.

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"deep down we're all lonely demons from hell" girlie you have no IDEA the crimes i'd commit to be lonely with you

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ODY. THE NICKNAME. ODY. EURYLOCHUS AND ODYSSEUS ARE FRIENDS (and in the odyssey they're literally brothers in law). THE TRAGIC DOOMED BEST WORSTIE DUO OF ALL TIME. THE LUCK RUNS OUT CALLBACKS ARE ACTUALLY GUTTING ME LIKE A FISH

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The fact that Eurylochus actually said "Ody"... I'm gonna puke your honor, excuse me.

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Something something if Polites managed to survive then Eurylochus and Odysseus would not have had the opposite character arcs that they do by the end of Mutiny bc Polites would have balanced out the extremes something something.

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i have sooooooo many thoughts about the troy and cyclops sagas (jorge's version) and yet no idea how to communicate them coherently other than vague screaming and shaking of your shoulders

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When Siren!Penelope mentioned a daughter, for a second I thought this meant Telemachus had transitioned.

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As much as Mutiny/Thunder Bringer crushed me, of course Odysseus chose what he did. Even if we ignore Penelope for a minute (because of course he was going to choose her), Eurylochus and the rest of the men had pretty much given up on going home. "Ody, we're never gonna get to make it home, you know its true." Out of all of them, Odysseus was the only one who still had faith, who was still FIGHTING. And even after being betrayed by his men (who arguably only did so because he betrayed them first), he still tried to keep them alive! Right up until Zeus made him choose. And then it wasn't much of a choice. They'd already given up. And he had to get home.

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Odysseus breaking from the monster mindset to plead with Eurylochus over the cows because he knows how this ends. They’ve already played this out. They already know the cost. After everything Odysseus being the one to see the parallels that lost him one friend and being helpless to stop the other from doing the same damn thing.

Polites was the lamb for slaughter, a death of all of their innocence and a realization that their journey was far more fraught than the war they all had just lived through, but Eurylochus could have been different. Could have, but he was stubborn, set in his ways, a cow set to pasture day after day and reliving the patterns he had learned.

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Rip Polites, you would have hated Different Beasts

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“Leaving them feeling betrayed…breaking the bonds that you’ve made…there is no price we won’t pay…we both know what it takes to survive…”

Scylla describing the downfall of the trust between Odysseus and Eurylochus. The “we” being able to refer to both Odysseus and Eurylochus, as well as Scylla and Odysseus. Scylla is singing to Odysseus, both figuratively and literally. If you look harder, it’s also Ody and Eury singing to one another (not literally, but in terms of the lyric interpretation). Eury opens the bag of the winds and betrays Odysseus. Odysseus is willing to sacrifice the rest of his crew so that he can get home, including Eurylochus - his own betrayal. They’ve both had a hand in breaking the bond that they forged with one another. They’re both doing what it takes for them to survive at any given moment, to the best of their current knowledge and abilities.

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I keep seeing people calling Eurylochus hypocritical for judging Odysseus for sacrificing crew members. Which is hilariously ironic. Because that’s not what Eurylochus is judging Odysseus for. He’s judging his captain for his hypocrisy, because Odysseus beat the cyclops and saved the crew from Circe, but now he’s offered them up to Scylla on a silver platter? Given in to an enemy’s terms like he never has before? Why do you think Eurylochus pleaded, begged him to say that it was a witty trick, that he hadn’t actually done what he thought?