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The Until Dawn fandom trying to make it canon that Josh filmed smut of Mike and Jess to post online is frustrating to me. Unless something more comes out, it’s fine to have this theory but it is not canon. That’s always my point, not that it’s directly contradicted or 100% out-of-character for him given his declining mental health and other things he did (I do think he’d censor it like for Sam though). But there’s no proof this happened in this video game. My issue is that this would have been easy to indicate, given we see exactly what rooms Josh is watching. But the inside of the guest cabin this is not included. The visuals also switch to surveillance footage to show Chris/Ashley and Emily/Matt were watched. If the thing with Mike/Jess were intended lore, the devs were basically going out of their way to avoid confirming it, which is weird to me.

I don’t care if you hold this theory or if it’s in your fanfics, whatever. But I think it’s not transparent to bring it up as causal fact in analyses about Josh. And I don’t like pushing people to accept lore they shouldn’t have to. Beyond that, it’s happened in this community before that bad lore info was spread before it was denied by devs. And I think it’s just really hard to reign things back in if it’s proven false, once people start declaring it canon. That happened with the Ashley at the door theory. She deliberately left Chris out there; the devs confirmed this. But people were saying the fan theory was canon for so long that now it’s hard to correct. Same thing with Ashley lying about feeling remorse for the prank. That’s not canon with her but it’s hard to promote the nuanced answer here when the other info is everywhere.

So uh no. I’m not “excusing Josh” if I don’t think he did this. I think he’s skeevy, but I’m not basing my analysis of him on something there’s only light, flawed evidence he did. Like, if we’re being real… this theory is pushed so hard because it makes people feel better about him going unfairly hard against Sam, Chris, and Ash—“oh, he DID have an atrocity planned for Mike and Jess!” And I completely get feeling like this should exist. But feeling like it should doesn’t mean it does.

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my roman empire is the fact that some of the people in this fandom will crucify women over the smallest things while giving men a pass for everything from misogyny to just generally being a creep. wdym josh said some absolutely absurd things about both ashley and sam + recorded sam in the bathtub + stole sam’s clothes but he’s mentally ill and as such can’t be blamed but ashley (who is SAID TO BE JUMPY) cried a little too much and as such deserved everything that she got that night?

wdym jacob refused to listen to emma when she said she didn’t want to be with him anymore and BROKE DOWN AN ENTIRE VEHICLE, stranding not only him and emma but EVERY SINGLE COUNSELOR at hackett’s quarry, just to be a turd and STILL misunderstand the reason emma even broke up with him in the first place but he’s heartbroken so that’s alright, but emma lead him on (went out of her way to find him, tried to cheer him up while explaining (again!!) why they wouldn’t work while jacob basically put his fingers in his ears and sang) and she’s a shallow heartless mean girl. tell me you played the games with your listening ears off without telling me, good lord.

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As we all know, The Quarry's actors are much older than the characters that they portray, so for the sake of fun, I decided to find pictures of the actors at the closest possible ages as their characters are in the game. I think I did all the math right, but feel free to correct anything I may have gotten wrong. (Totally didn't copy and paste this text from my Until Dawn version.) Now, we don't have confirmed ages of the characters like we do for Until Dawn, but based on them being referred to as teenagers but also camp counselors, I imagine they're between 17-19.

Siobhan Williams, aged 18, as Jamie Lewis in Heartland. Siobhan was 30 during The Quarry.

Halston Sage, aged 18, as Sadie in Victorious. Halston was 29 during The Quarry.

Ariel Winter, aged 18, as Kate in Safelight. Ariel was 24 during The Quarry.

Brenda Song, aged 18, as Wendy Wu in Wendy Wu: Homecoming Warrior. Brenda was 34 during The Quarry.

Skyler Gisondo, aged 17, as Devin from Once Upon a Time. Skyler was 26 during The Quarry.

Zach Tinker, aged 23, as Craig Cignarelli in Law & Order True Crime. Zach was 28 during The Quarry.

Evan Evagora, aged 24, as Nick Taylor in Fantasy Island. Evan was 26 during The Quarry.

Justice Smith, aged 19, as Angus in The Thundermans. Justice was 27 during The Quarry.

Miles Robbins, aged 17, as Sean Brewer in The Greatest. Miles was 30 during The Quarry.

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As we all know, Until Dawn's actors are much older than the characters that they portray, so for the sake of fun, I decided to find pictures of the actors at the correct or closest possible ages as their characters are in the game. I think I did all the math right, but feel free to correct anything I may have gotten wrong.

Rami Malek, aged 23, as Andy in Gilmore Girls. Josh is 20, Rami was 34.

Brett Dalton, aged 24, as Dr. Kurt Taylor in Nurses. Mike is 19, Brett was 32.

Noah Fleiss, aged 20, as Chat in Evergreen. Chris is 19, Noah was 31.

Jordan Fisher, aged 18, as Jacob in The Secret Life of the American Teenager. Matt is 18, Jordan was 21.

Hayden Panettiere, aged 19, as Jane Lawrence in Fireflies in the Garden. Sam is 19, Hayden was 26.

Meaghan Martin, aged 18, as Bianca Stratford in 10 Things I Hate About You. Jess is 18, Meaghan was 23.

Galadriel Stineman, aged 19, as Gwen Tennyson in Ben 10: Alien Swarm. Ashley is 18, Galadriel was 25.

Nichole Sakura, aged 23, as Kayla Tanaka in Model Minority. Emily is 19, Nichole was 26.

Ella Lentini, aged 17, as Antonella in Greystone Park. Hannah and Beth are 16, Ella was 20.

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Our Final Boys

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Who had time for a bathroom break? (Lol)

This is a funny topic I've seen come up in the community before, so I decided to chip in. This applies to when shit starts to go down, so basically anything after the spirit board scene.

Josh - Yes. He was just chilling sometimes in-between tormenting Sam and Chris & Ashley, so he probably had a few chances throughout the night.

Sam and Ashley - Yes. When Mike and Chris are taking Josh to the shed. They were probably just hanging around in the lodge for a while waiting for them to come back.

Chris - Maybe? He went back to the lodge eventually after tying up Josh, but I'm not sure how much time he had in-between getting back and Emily showing up.

Mike, Jess, Matt, and Emily - No. Mike and Jess go from trekking to the guest cabin to Jess being abducted/passed out for the rest of the time until the final chase to Mike endlessly running around through the storm, the sanatorium, tying up Josh, the sanatorium again, the mines, and then the finale. They never catch a break. Matt and Emily go from looking for panties to presumably wandering out in the snow for a while until they go to the fire tower, where Matt then wanders around the mines until the final chase, and Emily goes from the mines to locked away in the safe room until the finale.

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The fact that certain people (you know who you are because you're still stalking my account) are still stuck on something that happened in a video game community over a year ago is just plain sad. You people must really have no jobs, no friends, and nothing outside of the internet, if it matters that much to you. I still see people referencing me and lowkey attacking me and it's just wild. I came back to show they couldn't scare me off, and much to my amusement, a lot of other people started calling them out and stopped siding with them. If you continuously be toxic for years straight, people will eventually get tired of you. You'll always have your delusional fanbase that shares the need for every piece of media to be exactly your way despite canon and what the creators themselves confirmed to be true, but if you drag it for so long, people are going to get tired of your negativity popping up underneath every single post. This community, I've found most public online communities, are just toxic hiveminds that drive away anyone with an original opinion; they gatekeep it from anyone who disagrees because they need it all for themselves and they need it to be exactly what they want it to be. These people really just need to find better coping mechanisms or something else meaningful to their lives. Being this addicted to the internet or a random video game is not healthy, and it makes these people very angry, nasty, and toxic. These are just not good people. I took a detox from all media communities for about a year and I do not regret it at all. I don't expect to be around here often and I'm better for it. Unfortunately, the good people are few and far between and still get scared off by all the bad eggs. It's not worth it to engage anymore. Just glad to see bad people get their comeuppance. And glad to see some of the good people still hold their ground. A random piece of media community should never get to the point where things get so out of hand, it starts affecting your mental health and wellbeing, but some people will always take it there. People need to learn how to disagree without calling people names and slurs and harassing them around the internet for years. Seriously, get a life. No piece of media is that important. Sending off personal attacks to a complete stranger online based off assumptions you made from one thing they posted is childish, delusional, and frankly quite unhinged and scary. I repeat, find something other than media or an online community to dedicate your entire life to. You'll never be fulfilled otherwise, and you'll never be happy. The internet isn't real. Nothing on it is that important.

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So, like... is The Quarry fanbase just dead? Unless it's fanart? I don't see anyone's posts getting above 10 notes anymore, and just a year ago, there would easily be over a 100. I thought it was just me at first, but it seems like the whole community just... vanished.

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"Stop using canon as an excuse to ship something."

So you agree? It's canon.

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Frankly, I play both sides when it comes to the remake. On one hand, it's not canon. The original creators said they had nothing to do with it. I much prefer the original and I feel like the new writers caved in way too much to the angry fans that wanted the characters to be "more likeable." On the other hand, just let people enjoy the remake. It's not hurting anyone. There are great things about it, too, and of course the graphics are to die for. Everybody can get something out of both, I think.

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I don't get the people who like to pretend the Matt/Emily DLC scene doesn't exist because "it makes Matt look bad." He's an 18 year old boy, of course he's horny. Matt is very flanderized by the fanbase as being some innocent perfect little guy. And I love Matt, but I like the character for what it actually is. He's nice, yes, but he's allowed to have flaws and make mistakes, too.

Edit: I'd like to add that the Until Dawn companion app says "He plays the role of the big friendly giant, but when Matt sees red, it's best to stay out of his way." Okay, let's say the companion app isn't canon, fine. We still see this type of behavior from him in-game anyway. Matt has a temper and can do and say some shitty things. He isn't just a friendly giant. I hate how the fanbase mischaracterizes him.

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if you hate ashley from until dawn you hate me and i know you don’t hate me. or maybe you do. who knows.

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rip jess, you would have loved lipsyncing to ayesha erotica audios on tiktok 💔💔

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Official fan ship names that I am aware of...

30 Love - Josh x Sam (formerly Bathing Bird)

Daring Duo - Mike x Sam

Climbing Class - Josh x Chris

M Squared - Mike x Matt

Sharp Shooter - Chris x Sam

Peanut Gallery - Josh x Jess

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If the branch hadn't broken, Until Dawn never would've happened. Allow me to explain.

Beth drops Hannah and then reaches for The Stranger. But the branch breaks, causing Beth to fall and the twins to go missing entirely.

If the branch hadn't broken, Beth could've been saved, The Stranger would've killed the Makkapitew, they both would've known where Hannah fell, and we know Hannah didn't die from the fall, so she could've been found and saved, as well. No Beth to eat and no spirit to be possessed by. Just a broken leg.

Granted, Hannah would probably hate Beth's guts for the rest of their lives for dropping her, but I think that's still a better outcome than what did actually happen.

I think about this a lot. Fuck that branch.

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"Mike didn't actually care about Jess. He just wanted sex with her."

Dude chased after her in a snowstorm with nothing but a tank top and jeans and a gun that might not even work after she was abducted by God knows who or what. I think he cared!

Yes, Mike's honesty is nonexistent when you get the best relationship status between him and Jess, and that's horrible, but even if that happens, he always chases after her and takes her "death" VERY hard.

Mike loves women. He loves their bodies. He's a player. But I think he really WAS falling for Jess, whether he even realized it himself or not.

We also know Mike isn't the bravest guy. He's getting scared by birds and shower curtains. Yet he risks his life for Jess. He would've just stood put or went back to the lodge for help if he didn't care; maybe try to call someone on Jess' phone. But he didn't. He chased after her.

Not to mention he tortures Josh when he thinks he's the one who killed her. You think he did that just for the sake of it? Or got pissed off at Josh for provoking him about her, just for no reason?

And then the police interview if Jess dies. He's absolutely defeated and devastated. He takes her death harder than anyone's throughout the entire game.

He obviously cared for her. I think it started off purely sexual, but he really started falling in love with her.

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I don't think the Josh x Sam ship is inherently bad or creepy. Hear me out, please.

He absolutely violated her with recording her in the bath and chasing her around. The ship is as good as destroyed by the time that happens.

But I haven't seen a single person like or "ship" Psycho Josh and Sam. They like their relationship prior to that, because it was completely normal. And then they view them as a tragic "what could've been" ship after the fact, with Sam's "I thought we had a connection" line and all.

I think SAM shipped Josh x Sam and that's why she took it so hard, because she thought they had something going but then he spiraled off the deep end and attacked her.

I see Josh x Sam shippers be labeled as "creeps" nowadays, and I just don't think that's fair. No one's shipping Josh traumatizing Sam. They're shipping what could've been; what should've been.

I mean, the ship name was literally changed from Bathing Bird to 30 Love for this exact reason. Bathing Bird sounds cool, sure, but it did not represent why anyone actually likes the ship. 30 Love does.