#ship wars

[cacodaemonia]

Boggles my mind when I see people who are super into one of the Holy Trinity of Problematique Star Wars Ships—any clone ship, Rexsoka, and Obikin (and usually any master/padawan)—with DNIs or similar comments aimed at the other two parts of the trinity.

Like wow, how do they not see that they're treating other fans the same ways antis most assuredly treat them? 🤡

[tvb0y]

Why I am personally ok with Leosagi AND Donsagi :)

// TW: Mention Of Proships/Incest

Ok, I see a lot of people always hating on donsagi ( some call it a ‘crackship’ I believe.) for frankly just not being Leosagi. Saying things like “It doesn’t make since” or “ Leosagi is better”.

Now Personally, I ship Leosagi. But that doesn’t mean I hate on donsagi! Donsagi is quite cute and usually projected as a nice little fluff ship. And I believe you should be able to ship who you want unless it’s not a proship/com ship or incest.

Now, when people say; “ Donsagi doesn’t make since!”. This is very true, the two are from two shows. BUT, it’s not exactly a crackship. Usagi IS part of the TMNT Universe; which is why the leosagi ship is embraced in the tmnt fandom.

Now; if donsagi is seen as a ship that makes no sense, then so should ( rise ) leosagi. Now 2003/1987 leosagi is different, because usagi is part of those iterations and lore. But Usagi is nowhere found in ROTTMNT, so your kinda be hypocritical if you say Donsagi makes no sense, when you still ship ( rise ) Leosagi, Which in sense neither ships make absolute sense.

In all seriousness, you can ship whoever you like, as long as it’s not incest/proship. But please don’t hate on people who ship Donsagi just because you ship leosagi; we are all just having fun!

( This is Not a direct attack, this isn’t intended to hurt your feelings or anything.)

Have a good day!! Hope you enjoyed my little rant lol.

[nestaenthusiast]

Please please please take this poll cause I am super curious!! I am making a L-Word Chart of all the Yellowjackets ships

[t3rrarium]

Tbh the problem with ship wars is that everyone tries to find a moral high ground to prove their ship is superior when actually shipping should be about making two characters kiss like a kid playing with barbie dolls

[sillylotrpolls]

Every now and then I get asked about ships, and I usually avoid the question both because I think it's obvious what will win and because "ship wars" just aren't fun. But, fine. Just this once, in honor of Valentine's Day, ~let the ship wars rage~. Hopefully no one sails too far west and triggers the sinking of Númenor.

[rainbowpiss34]

hazbin hotel fans listen up

cw for discussions of s*icide, online bullying/harrasment, ship wars

today i learned about a radiodust shipper who was bullied by huskerdust shippers into committing. I can't even express my horror when I learned about this

To everyone who has ever participated in a ship war, does it really matter? does it really? does it really matter if angel gets wirh alastor or with husk or with someone else? i hate how toxic this fandom is, especially regarding ship wars. your ship does NOT matter more then someone's wellbeing. even as a radiodust shipper, i could not GAF if radiodust or huskerdust or whatever ship becomes canon, bullying is never okay.

the document below has more info about this situation, pls read it

[madlori]

Ship dysphoria

Ok so a bit of time has gone by, and the 9-1-1 fandom is settling into a bit of an...existential crisis?

Because 90% of this fandom is built on Buddie. Buddie has always been the strongest driving force. We love our other blorbos, but it's Buddie that usually drives us feral.

Except...Buck/Tommy. OMG. It is WORKING for a lot of fans. (and JFC we cannot settle on a ship name. Tevan? Kinley? I'm gonna stick with Buck/Tommy)

A LOT of fans are having a "I'm a devoted Buddie shipper, why do I like this so much??" moment and it can almost feel like a betrayal, or that you're deserting the ship (the ship that, remember, Oliver told us to stay aboard).

And I think I can probably speak for everybody when I say that the last thing we want or need is a ship war in this fandom, something we haven't ever really had but which has torn other fandoms apart.

So I'm gonna put on my veteran-of-many-fandoms hat for a second and tell you a thing:

It's okay to ship Buck and Tommy. It's ok to do that and still ship Buddie. It's also okay to leave Buddie behind if it's not working for you anymore. It's okay to just tolerate Buck and Tommy and not really care about it, and stay focused on Buddie. You are allowed to ship however it works for you, and you are not limited to one and only one ship. If you decide you don't think Buddie will happen and you're going to cut your losses, that's okay, too. It is not a reflection on your character or something. You don't swear an oath of fealty to a ship.

We don't know how long Tommy will stick around, but Buck will still be bisexual. He may date another man. He may date a woman again. You can ship those things too.

But why is this ship hitting me so hard? I never thought I'd like Buck with another man! I'm so confused!

I get that. There are some reasons why that might be.

There is something very appealing about a ship that's canon. Some of you might never have had a canon queer ship, but the pull is strong. There's no guessing, no interpreting, no subtext-examining. It's there, it's real, you don't have to wonder if you're just overinterpreting things. Yes. Buck and Tommy kissed and are going on a date. Even if that's all it ever is, you'll never be accused of "seeing things that aren't there." Don't discount that.

Tommy, even in just 1.5 episodes, is a LOT more integrated into the firefam than any of Buck's previous girlfriends. Tim talked about not wanting him to be "siloed off" away from the main cast and that was exactly the problem with his prior girlfriends. Tommy is friends with Eddie. He knows Christopher and has hung out with him. He spent most of that loft conversation reassuring Buck that his place in Eddie's life was secure. He feels more like part of the gang than any other ones. That makes it easier to see him in Buck's life.

The mere fact of Buck's queer awakening is so monumental for so many of us that the character who helped him get there is going to naturally earn our affection immediately, and it's going to make you want that relationship to succeed, even if it's ulitmately not endgame for Buck. You want to see Buck have a good experience the first time out with a man. Of course you do.

And we just want to see Buck make out with a hot beefy firefighter. That is so valid of us.

Anyway. There is no need for a crisis. You can love Buddie with your whole heart and still be excited about this pairing, and want to see how it goes, and read fic about it. I may be writing a lil something myself.

You're good, fam.

[allthebestnamesweretaken]

I try to keep myself out of the ship wars but I just saw Kataang shippers use the scene of Katara and Zuko scooting away from each other in embarrassment in the Ember Island Players episode as a reason they obviously don’t have feelings for each other/wouldn’t work. And I think that’s hilarious for two reasons:

1. They’re using a plot device (I’m not sure what else you’d call it) that is commonly used to show characters do have/are developing feelings for each other as “evidence” that there aren’t any feelings

2. Both groups read that scene in completely different ways and use it as “evidence” for their ships

[allthingswhumpyandangsty]

“dni if you’re problematic” is level 95 middle schooler behavior btw. “problematic” by what standards? my brother in christ, you’ve got to be more specific. but I can promise you that you are also “problematic” in some people’s opinions whether it be online or irl, whether or not you know it. unless you’re a literal saint who’s never done anything wrong, ever, in your life, I guarantee you this; you are also “problematic” in someone’s opinions. I am problematic in someone’s opinions. every single one of us is problematic in someone’s story, sorry to break it to you though.

[curiositysavesthecat]

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[bebx]

people making “hot takes” about fictional villains and/or other problematic fictional things and then going deep in details into analyzing why this fictional villain is bad and why liking them makes you a bad person in real life, or why shipping x and y together makes you a walking red flag, and then thinking they did something and that their post made such Cultural Impact will never not make me laugh because my brother in christ, they are Not Real. it’s fine if some people don’t like this thing. and it’s fine if some other people do like said thing. there’s nothing to analyze about because the entire existence of the topic you’re crying over is fictional and shouldn’t be used to determine and measure someone’s moral compass. people can be a hardcore fan of slasher movies, in which fictional characters got cut to pieces in the most brutal way, and be a total sweetheart who’s against violence in real life. also this is the same as blaming video games and horror movies for bad things that happen in the real world and, as a result, completely dismissing the actual roots of the problem by blaming it on something that’s fictional (because it’s easier to blame video games and horror movies than to discuss the real problem and its actual roots that aren’t video games or horror movies).

so your “hot take” isn’t actually a hot take but a cry for attention and validation from your fandom at best, a pathetic excuse and a means to stir drama out of nothing just so you could harass other real people over something fictional in the name of being “morally superior” at worst. the only person you’re exposing with these hot takes of yours is really just yourself. cheers!

[prying-pandora666]

What Your Ship Says About You

It’s so interesting how certain ship fandoms behave relative to their characters.

Zutara fans are deeply passionate and ready to fight at any moment. They don’t care what canon (authority) says, they’ll fight them too. They also have very creative souls and explore possibilities that others wouldn’t have even considered. However they can be hotheaded and their passion can turn to aggression. Just like Zuko and Katara.

Kataang fans are more peaceful usually, content to bask in the zen of being canon. But if you drag them into a fight, they’ll bring the fury like they’re in the Avatar State! They strive to find coherency for the canon couple and accept what they cannot change rather than fight a fruitless battle. Just like Aang and Katara.

Ty Zula fans are fierce and sometimes they say things that don’t make sense to others because it’s based on “vibes” (auras). But if you insult them, they’ll come at you with the full force of their collective might. Just like Ty Lee and Azula.

Toko/Zutoph fans don’t care about the rules and are happy to enjoy their ship without feeling the need to defend it as canon. They’ll hit you over the head with their love for the ship in their memes or stealthily lure you in with fanart. Under their rash surface though, there’s some heartbreaking and vulnerable metas. Just like Toph and Zuko.

Zukka fans are just fun. Although sometimes there’s the occasion where they slip into taking themselves too seriously, and need to remember they have nothing to prove. They’re fine the way they are even if it’s not canon. Just like Zuko and Sokka.

Sukka fans are lovely and I haven’t ever seen them start fights with anyone, and yet Bryke continues to do them dirty and neglect them, even going so far as to imply this ship has broken up. Just like Suki and Sokka.

Maiko fans handle criticisms with smug dismissal and apathy a lot of the time, but set them off and you’ll see another side. It has ardent defenders but most of it seems like a defensive reaction against much more stable ships. Just like Mai and Zuko.

Taang fans are myths of epic proportion. Can’t tell if they never existed or if they simply vanished. Just like Toph and Aang.

Tokka fans are fun and most people will get along with them. But if you’re one of the few to get on their nerves or find them annoying? You’re gonna have a bad time. Just like Toph and Sokka.

Sokkla fans are tactical. They don’t usually get in fights for the ship, they just slowly lower your defenses with beautiful fan art. Sneaking in past your walls, once they’re in they’ll bring the receipts with their metas and brainwash you to their side. Just like Sokka and Azula.

Ty Suki fans are perfect and correct and deserve a giant gay island all to themselves and their girlfriends. Just like Ty Lee and Suki.

[starlight-bread-blog]

Sometimes I hear Zutarians say something along the lines of "it's not that deep, I just think they look cute together. Leave me alone" in response to harassment from Kataangers. Which is completely fine, say what you gotta say to be left alone. But for some of us it is that deep.

Some of us are genuinely passionate about analyzing the narrative cohesion of Zutara. Some of us genuinely felt wronged when it didn't happen. We deserve to be left alone as well. Because even if you disagree, or think our opinion is shit, everyone are entitled to their own opinion and deserve to be treated with respect. Why do I need to say this.

[salamanderinspace]

On Love

My best summary of the new Contrapoints video, if you're not a "watch a three hour video about Twilight" sort of person:

It's not about Twilight. It's about desire. The first chapter is the obligatory "yes there is a predatory dynamic in this, but let's talk about the role of fiction and fantasy, because it's fiction and not reality."

There is some discussing about what erotic love and desire truly is. Distinction between "yearning" (a lack for an abstract quality) and "craving" (which can be concretely satisfied.)

A really excellent dive into radical feminist theory about the predator-prey, hades-persephone dynamic that rules over romantic fiction. How the default heterosexual paradigm really does celebrate oppressive paradigms. Spoiler alert: it's not JUST fiction, there is a social context.

An argument that violence and death really are part of sexuality.

Mostly reframing the radical feminist theory in terms of a relationship to christianity as opposed to patriarchy.

An observation that women often consume this type of romance by identifying with the predator role because roles are inherently versatile and complex. Musings on the nature of masculinity and femininity as a ying/yang dichotomy.

There's a lot of research and nuance and jokes. A particularly good RHPS reference. Holding up a pair of scissors at an opportune moment. I don't think every single take is presented from the MOST based perspective but there was enough "this is what I've been saying" that I recommend the video overall as a source discussing fantasy and romantic love.

[lanniisters]

On Friends-To-Lovers:

I get so annoyed when people throw around the “healthy platonic relationships are so important” thing because YES THEY ARE but you don’t actually think that.

What you think is that, in this particular case, I want these two characters to stay platonic so that I can ship my ship and, simultaneously, feel morally superior. The reality is that there are multiple non-canon ships for whom this applies… but one of them happens to be queer.

Woah hold those trigger fingers!!

While this train of logic does apply to people calling queer coded relationships “besties” or, heaven forbid, “brothers”, it also applies to straight (or straight-presenting) relationships.

You do not need to write two characters as romantic interests (or *groan* enemies) for the story to be romantic. It is OKAY for those characters to form a deep, romantic and emotional bond after years of building trust and loyalty.

As a person who identifies as demisexual, I find the erasure of friends-to-lovers extremely harmful and inherently invalidating. Especially now that we are seeing screenwriters and authors being critical of the trope.

Please, sit me down and explain to me in excruciating details why these two characters - who have seen each other through their darkest periods, who have been each other’s personal cheerleaders, who have loved each other unconditionally - are not good as lovers?

“But can’t two characters just be friends anymore?!”

They certainly can and good for you for believing that characters should show genuine love for one another without having any romantic feelings. But that doesn’t mean the latter can’t exist.

Listen, I never go in expecting my ship to happen and I never expect everyone to agree with it but it drives me up the wall to be invalidated purely because friendship and romantic love can’t coexist in your world. If you want to believe that platonic soulmates should be a thing (AND THEY SHOULD), you also need to understand that you cannot use that term to invalidate another’s ship when the foundations of your own (usually rival) ship are the exact same as mine.

[im-totally-not-an-alien-2]

Au where the Fenton parents shenanigans cause the entire city (minus Vlad) get transported to the dc universe.

Everything is not fine as now Phantom has to keep human crime out of his city instead of the ghosts. The portals are still open but nothing can pass through without getting fried. Rip Skulker. So Danny can't escape or transport his city back home. Sam was away attending a gala in another state with her parents and Jazz was at collage, luckily Tucker and Dani were able to back him up.

More bad news, Superman appearently keeps "overhearing" things, more specifically the things his parents say, which, yikes.

The real kicker is after talking about the batfamily in an mid superhero fight interview where he was cornered by Lois Lane one (1) time there became a sudden influx of Phantom/Red Robin fanfiction. Mostly coffee shop aus at first but then there came the Phantom/Robin shippers and before he knew it there was a massive shipping war going on

Phantom makes the mistake of sending a note to both of them asking them to "please stay away from me" and adding a candy bar or something as a bribe. Now the bats are curious.