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And another thing Sam implying that Celia would stab him to get him through the rift is also not a parallel to Martin stabbing Jon.

Martin wouldn’t have stabbed Jon unless Jon told him to. This was a sacrifice on both their parts. Jon asked Martin to kill him and Martin chose to stay and die by his side.

If you want a relationship parallel look at Mary Keay and Eric Delano. Eric knew something was up with Mary but he loved her and assumed that the fact that she loved him back was protection. Maybe she did love him but Mary had goals that were more important to her than her relationship with Eric so she stabbed him and used him for her own purposes.

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award-winning palestinian children's illustrator baraa awoor writes:

"what use is it to be an illustrator of children's books when the world has sentenced the children of your country to the death penalty, to vanish, to genocide?"

some of baraa's illustrations:

this is an illustration for youssef, whose mother is remembered running desperately into the hospital asking if anyone had seen a "small white boy with beautiful curly hair, his name is youssef," a description which was remembered by millions when she finally identified his body:

this illustration is for young omar, who was hugging his little brother and teaching him how to repeat the shahada after him (a prayer spoken by muslims before their death) as he lay on his hospital bed:

"we want a new year that doesn't kill us or our children, we want it a year without blood, without screaming, without pain, we want a new attempt to get our lives back, or something that resembled our life, even if life is a lie we still cling to it, return life to us—a new year's card unlike any other year:"

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I think I know who the Archivist is, and it's not Jon. (TMAGP SPOILERS AHEAD)

(TLDR: I think it's Celia. Read on to see why!)

So.

I know the title sounds kinda click-baity, and this is gonna be a bit long, but this is such a ground-breaking theory that you'll hopefully want to stick around.

This is just a theory, so I might be wrong, but it would explain a lot.

I listened to TMAGP 29 earlier, and since my sister doesn't listen to TMA/TMAGP but I like to talk to her about it, I was mentioning the whole "It's on the train" thing, and a crazy theory popped in my head. So now I'm here sharing it with you all, so you can discuss it and maybe prove me wrong/right.

Anyways, I'm gonna start with something that might seem confusing at first, but it'll make sense later.

So we all know Celia, right?

Well, it's pretty much confirmed that she's from the TMA universe, but there are still a few things that don't quite make sense.

For example, the 'sleepwalking' thing she does. She'll wake up somewhere with no memory of what happened.

While I've seen some theories explaining it as the TMAGP Celia sharing a body with TMA Celia, it doesn't make much sense to me. Why would the TMAGP Celia still be in there? Wouldn't TMA Celia be able to communicate with her? Why hasn't anyone else mentioned seeing Celia when she 'sleepwalks'? Wouldn't TMAGP Celia have friends that would talk to her? If so, why wouldn't they notice it's not the same Celia?

Anyways, that theory just doesn't make sense to me.

Another thing that will make sense later: We all remember Michael Distortion from TMA, right?

And how his reflection looked different than how he sometimes looked in person?

An Avatar looking different through glass; whether through Sasha's window, or in the reflection of the cafe's window.

That was the thought that made me first come up with this theory.

The other thought was the "It's on the train" bit.

Sam and Celia get on a train to 'follow' the Archivist. Alice, however, sees it on the train with them.

(technically we don't know for certain that it was the Archivist, or if it was in or on top of the train, but it context makes it seem like the Archivist was in the train with them)

Why wouldn't Sam and Celia notice it? It's a monster that's all eyes, how could they miss that? Sure, it might have been hiding, but they likely weren't the only passengers on board. So why didn't the other passengers see it?

Well, what if they do see it, just not it the right way?

Because of the whole 'avatar looking different in windows' thing, what if that's why they don't notice?

Because they're not looking through the window?

Alice is though.

Alice is looking through the window.

She sees it.

What if, the Archivist is in a human form, but Alice can only see it because she's looking through the glass at it?

But who would it be?

Celia.

It's Celia.

Who else could it be?

What if, when she's 'sleepwalking', she's actually in Archivist form?

Sam got Archived, after all. And shortly after that, Celia appeared.

Wouldn't Celia have noticed the Archivist leaving?

Unless she just came to.

And she's so used to it happening, that she isn't bothered by the time she finds Sam.

Who knows how far away she got, after all. Maybe it was only one alley away, maybe it was a few blocks.

She'd have some time to compose herself.

And after that disorienting event, she managed to find her way to the O.I.A.R. and found Sam.

She was in the same area and time-frame the Archivist was there.

It's her.

Another thing: The statement-givers. Aka, the talking corpses. Aka, people that got Archived by the Archivist.

I'll bet that every time it mentions Celia having a 'sleepwalking' episode, it was around the same time that someone got Archived.

I'm not gonna go back through the episodes to see if I'm right on that, but if someone else will, it would be very much appreciated.

How exactly Celia became an Archivist, I don't know.

Maybe when she changed universes the Eye decided to make her its new 'precious little boy girl'. Maybe (if we believe that TMAGP is Somewhere Else) the Archivist part of Jon got stuck in Celia. Maybe she even became an Avatar by herself, who knows! I certainly don't.

Another thing I don't know is whether she'd remember what happens when she's the Archivist.

She seemed surprised to find Sam, after all.

And (if I remember right) she doesn't know how she gets to places while she's 'sleepwalking'.

I also don't know how Jack fits into this, but he's a mystery of his own.

Anyways, feel free to chip in with your own thoughts and criticisms, I could be completely proved wrong next episode after all!

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Personally I think it would be great if [ERROR] turns out to be the tmagp universe’s Sasha

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wait wait wait wait

get the red string—silly string? that’ll do—because i have some Thoughts and Ideas.

Lady Mowbray, Ms. Hunt herself (so far in Protocol) is… well, a Lady. Insert Gwen’s class-worship thing here.

Trevor Herbert, Mr. Hunt himself from Archives is a Minister. Literal murderhobo in the government.

The OIAR, a government agency, seems to be tasked with assigning targets to the Externals. You know, making them hunt.

Do you see where I’m going with this? Do you see that the British government in Protocol is run by the Hunt? DO YOU? no seriously i need someone to double-check my vision, everything is blurry

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ok bear with me this is kind of a rambly theory but something's been bugging me and with the confirmation this episode about [ERROR] i need to write it down (mild spoilers under the readmore)

so one of our first clues towards [ERROR] being an archivist was the tape recorders, right? it's the thing we most associate with TMA. but the tape recorders aren't actually an archivist thing - they're a web thing. we learn in s5 that the tape recorders are both the web's method of keeping an eye (pun not intended) on the current archivist, and eventually the way it connects the panopticon to the spacetime rift and pulls the fears into another world. we might associate the tapes with jon, but they're actually more strongly connected to someone like annabelle.

secondly - [ERROR] doesn't seem to be compelling statements that are actually all that spooky? in TMA the statements are all encounters with A Fear, a supernatural experience that the victim can never share anywhere but with the institute because nobody would believe them. the point of the statements was terrible knowledge that could never be unburdened.

however, let's look at what has been compelled: in the most recent episode, the victim appeared to be rambling about [ERROR] itself; in ep21, gwen talks about encountering a fox carcass (not exactly an inexplicable event); then the ep15 encounter's kinda freaky but the statement itself is just about drowning? not very supernatural. so what's [ERROR] actually feeding on?

here i posit my unlikely theory: [ERROR] is a different kind of archivist than we're used to. it may be feeding on the fear its victims feel at loss of control - the threat of this thing having some power over them. i'd also like to point out that the institute in this world, while it was collecting statements, didn't seem all that interested in what happened. they were interested in the potential of the people giving the statements (viability as subject/agent/catalyst?). they were looking to control the fears, like the OIAR appears to be doing.

tbh i'm referencing the old fear system a lot here but i do think one of the central themes of TMAGP seems to be control - obviously the OIAR is attempting to 'balance' the world, but even the interpersonal stuff. alice was too controlling with sam so they broke up, celia keeps losing control of herself while asleep, gwen fighting to have more responsibilities while lena pushes back, colin desperately trying to maintain his privacy and going off the deep end doing it.

there's not really any solid thing i want to point to with this, it's just a neat thing that i haven't seen many people talk about.

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The Magnus Protocol Theory

I had made an observation when listening to the past episodes of tmagp, which was made even more clear during episodes 21 and 22!

The Magnus Protocol has focused on duality time and time again.

Multiple episodes feature duality in body (clones, doubles, etc.) but ep22 features duality in spirit, with two souls being in one body.

This theme of "2" is even stronger since this time we see and hear everything through technology, which uses a binary system to handle data.

Everything is either 0 or 1. Two options only.

I'm thinking the Celia shifting theories are true but instead of her travelling to multiple universes she travels between the tmagp universe and another one.

Rather than multiple parallel universes we have two mirror universes, a common horror trope.

Now, if my hunch is right, the question is are the universes identical for the most part or is it more like the binary system where 1 shows that something is there, while 0 shows it is not... Are they mirrored? Are they opposite? Is the other universe the TMA universe that was destroyed?

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hey chat, in that casement the telegraph said “i, together, we”— if this is really pointing to the Guys in the Computer (especially with that reveal at the end), could it be the case that they’ve somehow become one entity? and even further speculation, although this is highly unlikely, if they really are in some way contactable- do you think that they would be acting as one “person”? kinda like a jekyll and hyde situation? i dont know what that would mean but its a fun idea to play around with. just kinda rambling thoughts

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something something alice and celia are anagrams something alice is pulling sam away from the institute while celia is pulling him towards it, they're like the angel and devil on his shoulders, alice is his ex and he's trying to date celia now, parallels and whatnot aaaa

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I'll just say it so I can be completely wrong, I think jon and martin are two employs of the magnus institute that died in the fire and Freddie is using their voices from recordings it found because the OIAR has the books and recordings that the government confiscated.

And freddie is the result of a later experiment they just don't have a voice of their own any more

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I know she said she ran away but how The Fuck did Gwen get away from [Error]

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New conspiracy theory: his head just did that

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very helpful thank you

By the way, I've seen a lot of people confused about this episode, and that's fair because the language is not super clear. The brain has two parts and they are connected in the middle by a bridge. You can cut this bridge and the two parts will supposedly act like two different people, even thought they are both in the same person. The problem is that only one controls the language center, which means you can't speak traditionally to the other side, and it can't answer you, thus the telegraph. The thing that shot out of that man's skull, and the thing that felt so alone it wanted out, was one half of his brain.

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I can’t help but come up with more tmagp theories I am sorry 😭

So the site of the Millenium/O2 Dome was, as TMAGP 21 hammered in, a very polluted patch of land. The reason it was polluted though is that it was the site of the East Greenwich Gas Works (pictured).

At the time of its construction, it was the largest gas holding site in the world. And visually it reminds me quite a bit of Millbank Prison in Pimlico.

The fact that it turned the earth’s natural oil into gas, and then pumped that gas around the city and the world, makes me think oh-so-much of the Magnus Institute collecting fear, processing it, and then (eventually) unleashing it upon the world…

The connections to the Magnus Institute (London) make me go crazy though!!

The London Institute was blown up by gas, for one, but was built atop Millbank!! You know what was built on top of the East Greenwich Gas Works? The Millenium Dome!!

(And, if I connect it to my past post, the Magnus Institute wanting to do something for the millenium feels SO MUCH like a reference to Millenarianism !!!!!!)

Ah!!! The thoughts!!!

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okay so [ERROR] theory time.

[ERROR] was the archivist for the magnus institute, Manchester. the magnus institute was looking for a place to perform their ritual in 1998, and was raided by starkwall in 1999. this seems to support the idea that the OIAR takes a gertrude-esque role in preventing rituals.

my theory is that we're dealing with a lvl 10 archivist, way farther along than jon ever got in the magnus archives. potentially the ritual was partially successful and granted the archivist extra powers? when starkwall attacked in 1999 this archivist hid them,, herself?(I'm hoping it is a her) away in some sort of bunker. remember how jon can choose to know things, I'm guessing this archivist can also do that, maybe using that ability to feed.

anyways episode 10 rolls around and the archivist is unleashed. episode 11 alice wants to be walked home because she says she feels like she's being WATCHED. I'm guessing the archivist has a vendetta against the OIAR for ruining the ritual in 1999.

the archivist tries to attack gwen, and goes so far as to shoo ink5oul away to have gwen to herself. the archivist also attacks gwen the first night she is alone and far from the OIAR. I am thinking the OIAR has some kind of protection, like some externals, that would stop the archivist from attacking. I am hoping we get to see some monster on monster battles.

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Episode 21 brings me back to a question I’ve had for a while: where do the case numbers in the episode descriptions come from?

I don’t think it’s the staff anymore. I think it’s Fr3-d1.

Consider the case in Episode 21: Alice didn’t categorize it, she deleted the case. Yet the episode has been coded.

Episode 20 has a number, but we see in Episode 21 that none of the staff are acting as though Gwen is in active danger.

Both Episode 20 and 21 have case numbers that show they were coded on the same day, the day of Gwen’s encounter with Ink5oul.

Episode 3 has Alice suggest a coding for the case that is slightly different from what’s in the episode description. It could have been Sam entering it differently, or it could be a correction.

Episode 1 mentions misfiles; the very existence of misfiles means that someone or something is comparing what the staff enter to another source.

I think the computer is categorizing them.

Possible reasons for the human coding:

Humans are basically doing AI training (similar to CAPTCHA) and/or

To force them to engage with it for Reasons (likely Spooky and/or Evil reasons)

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Are the tape recorders or freddie like the violin and the dice but instead of blood or misfortune they feed on terror?

The avatars can also just be objects like the bonzo suit