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So the demons are allegory for immigrants and minority....you know..the species that are famously known for being evil and bloodthirsty..but some of them are good now?! Then why the hell did Dante and Nero have to struggled with their demon side? What's with "embrace the darkness"??? And Sparda is technically an asshole now because he trapped all the innocent demons in hell, yeah he is not special anymore. Also Mundus is a weak ass for letting human invading his realm, he is not the main threat anymore, the humans are.

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I've seen a lot of people defend the choice of the show to make an entire caste of good demons while the main antagonists are humans as it follows what was established in the source series. I would like to dispute this.

The problem is that the show addresses what "goodness" and "humanity" in political terms while the games have always focused on it more philosophically or spiritually. Humanity is unambiguously a good thing in DMC, its what makes Dante more power than those without it, even the like of Urizen and Mundus. The demons that become "good" are actively fighting against their nature, and in doing so they achieve "humanity". When Dante says "Devil's Never Cry" he mean that anyone that is able to cry for another person has humanity, which is why he uses it to comfort Lucia and Trish. It doesn't matter that they're full blooded demons, the fact they can cry is proof enough that they have humanity.

There's the example of Brad from the anime, a demon that fell in love with a human that has been used as an example. People forget that Brad was sent in to infiltrate and kill for his demon master, and only after falling in love with Mayor Hagel's daughter did he rebel. He was abused and trod on by more powerful demons yes, but he still followed any order they gave him. If not for the mayors daughter, he would have gone along with the murder of humans without a second thought, it's only after he started caring for someone else that he had a complete change of heart and was willing to let Dante kill him rather than hurt someone else. And these are meant to be the exception, not the rule. Out of all the demons in the series, you can count the number that actively turned away from evil on one hand.

Then there are the human antagonists. Every single one of them abandons their humanity for power or greed, Dante outlines this to Agnus after the boss battle in 4.

"You surrendered your humanity. It's that simple." "But you are not human...! So why am I inferior?!" "You assume humans are weak... Ok yeah, their bodies may lack the physical ability of a demon. But humans possess something that demons don't."

And Nero repeats this in the final battle with Sanctus.

"The power of Sparda... why won't you give me strength!? Am I not worthy!?" "Never could take those legends too literally. But I do know that Sparda had a heart. A heart that could love another person, a human. And that is what you lack."

Arkham, Arius, Agnus, Sanctus, all of them abandoned their humanity. That is why they are the antagonists, because they are the opposite of what the heroes stand for - the strength of humanity. They say "Humanity is nothing but weakness and can never stand up against us", which is rejected by the message "the human ability to care is greater than any power you could gain by abandoning it." This is the whole point of Dante and Vergil's rivalry, Vergil rejected his humanity in pursuit of power, and in the final battle despite both twins being equal and Vergil holding the Force Edge, Dante is able to win because he holds on to his humanity. This is emphasised again in DMC5 when Urizen eats the fruit of the Qliphoth and gains the ultimate power in the eyes of demonkind, but is still utterly defeated by Dante. It's only when V, who was able to rediscover his humanity, reunites with Urizen that Vergil becomes Dante's equal again. In terms of power adding V to Urizen is like adding a drop of water to an ocean, the only thing he add to Urizen is humanity, but that's what allows him to cross the canyon between Urizen's Qliphoth boosted power and Dante.

This is what the series was about - the strength of the human heart.

On the other hand, we have the show where humanity is villainous, and there are good demons, but how is it different? Well, the good demons are just that; they are inherently good. It's in their nature to be good. When they show kindness or compassion for someone else, it's not them defying their nature and showing their strength of character. When a demon cries in the show it's nothing special, they cry all the time whether if its from having a family member die or begging for mercy or when their about to be killed by the american military. Crying isn't a sign of the quality of their soul or ability to love, it's just something they do now.

As for the humans, when they do something evil it's not because they abandoned their humanity, but rather because they are following their human impulses. Why does America invade the demon world? Because they're greedy and want to colonise it. Why do they gun down the good demons? Because they're hateful and narrow minded. Why do they betray and manipulate? Because humans are untrustworthy. The humans of the show are evil because they are human, which is a direct contradiction with the core thesis of the series.

And there are no humans in the series that show this value of humanity. Mary is actively complicit with atrocities along with the entirity of Darkcom, Eva's dead, Kalina Ann is also dead, so's the quantum scientist, Enzo's a scumbag underworld dealer and also dead, and every other main human is used to show the flaws of humanity. The only unambiguously good human is the mother who begs the demons to spare her daughter but she's a side character that doesn't even get a name.

And what's worse is that Dante isn't the champion of humanity. I don't mean this in the sense that he's the champion for the human race, but none of what motivates him is because he values humanity. He fights demons because they hurt people, and once the plot gets going it's all focused on his power as a demon. His devil trigger unleashes his anger and hate which he struggles to control, and he doesn't fight the White Rabbit because he believes it's his responsibility as the Son of Sparda but because he wants his necklace back. Even when he defends Sparda, it's more of him defending that he didn't fuck up rather than him upholding a legacy of heroism. The White Rabbit being human has no influence on him, he doesn't care either way. Dante being the Son of Sparda isn't a character trait now, it's a plot device to explain why the White Rabbit involves him in the plot.

By removing Arkham's relevance to the plot we don't get how Lady's sense of responsibility for her family changes Dante for the better, by removing Sparda's change of heart being unprecedented and special we don't see the core theme of the ability to care being what defines humanity, and that all has the knock on effect of making Dante become the hero not because he cares for humanity or because his own humanity drives him to do good, but because what would happen if he didn't was just bad.

And the choice to make the whole thing wrapped up in an Iraq war analogy twenty years late where they compare real life refugees to the demons you slaughter in the games is really stupid at best and outright offensive at worse, but that a discussion for another time.

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The more tweets I see from this guy, the more I doubt that DMC is in good hands, because, uh…..

I mean, it doesn’t look like he’s serious. But If it’s not something like “oh, Mundus actually sees himself that way!” or a satire on anything that’s been going on in real world those days or a joke on the 1st of April then I’m honestly scared.

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I do. Was he able to change back from Nelo Angelo form or speak coherently though?

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So fucking pissed right now

I’m meant to believe that Vergil, who hated Mundus and wanted to take his place, Vergil who suffered from his hands for a very long time being almost mindless hound dog for Mundus, Vergil who actively tried to abandon his human side after all that (thinking this is the only way) — that is the same Vergil who is praising Mundus for “liberation” from fuck knows what and working for him??? THOSE TWO MEANT TO BE THE SAME CHARACTER??? WTH

I know new anime isn’t canon, but they AT LEAST could’ve save characters’ characters. That did not. Because how on earth they are the same if they have different tragedies, different lifes, different personality traits (which is usually built on the first two things)? Bullshit. Complete bullshit.

Maybe I’m overreacting. Maybe second season will be better and I’ll take my words back. Maybe I didn’t understand something. Maybe I don’t remember something about the games. But for now I’m so pissed because of that last scene, you guys can(‘t) imagine.

I also have a lot of complaints about Dante and Lady, but they’re not as half infuriating as the last scene for me.

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Soundtrack is good, villain is understandable at some extent, world is interesting to explore and characters mostly are likable.

Yet I’ve been in the fandom for quite a while. It’s almost like it imprinted into my worldview too tightly, and trying the “what if games never existed?” just feels too damn disrespectful for my younger self. Next question: why would the anime be called Devil may cry if I have to pretend it’s not based on the games I like? Netflix just could’ve made it an original anime, and complaints would have been a bit different (if any from my part).

I feel like walking out after watching “Birds of prey” movie. Did I like it? Yes. It was enjoyable. Did I absolutely bombed it in front of my friends because the film butchered characters (aside from Harley Queen maybe)? Also yes, I like comics versions too much. So I understand your question and, hell, even support it, but can’t use it.

I have love/hate relationship with the movie, and I feel like I have the exact same relationship with dmc Netflix anime now for the exact same reason.

I posit the same challenge to people who like Netflix May Cry that I do to Sonic comic fans:

Pretend the video games don't exist. Pretend this is the ONLY thing titled Devil May Cry that exists

Say a SINGLE POSITIVE THING about the show WITHOUT mentioning the video games.

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Dunno, I was mad for a few hours after watching because I was too hyped and the hype wasn’t justified.

Can I be honest, it feels like the people who're mad at the DMC anime are only angry because they were expecting to be angry.

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lol my friend (who isn’t in the fandom but is very supportive, love her!) told me that at least the series caused some emotions. And probably thanks to the anime we will have more merchandise! Yay!

I’m still thinking about new fans not getting the same story/world in the games and if it will affect their experience.

Well, if there's one thing the Dmc anime did right then it was reliving the fandom, at least for a little while.

I call that succes in my book

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I agree with two things: it was fun, Lady swearing is not the problem with her in the series.

I disagree with “AU” a bit. In AU people usually save characters’ character and just give them different circumstances. In AU people usually don’t change everything entirely about said characters. AU usually doesn’t feel like if you change names of said characters they will have nothing that is resembling their original self.

the dmc anime was sooo good i'm convinced a lot of the hate stems from people who hate fun. it's an AU. they're using the characters to tell a different story.

also the lady hate is so forced. oh nooo she says the fuck word? god forbid women have hobbies

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All complaints I’ve seen for now is about Adi and co creating entirely different characters and world with looks and names of who and what we love.

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Yeah, but what happens with someone who will decide to play the games and will find out they’re not the same in the slightest? Not a good thing for the game nor the show. This could’ve been an original show with original characters and the only thing that would change is the number of people who would’ve watched it and liked it.

At least those are my problems with 2025 dmc anime.

not the dmc purists having an aneurysm because the non canon adaptation isn't 1:1 with dmc3 or any of the games

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I do believe that they played, just maybe didn’t bother to dive deep into details.

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So fucking pissed right now

I’m meant to believe that Vergil, who hated Mundus and wanted to take his place, Vergil who suffered from his hands for a very long time being almost mindless hound dog for Mundus, Vergil who actively tried to abandon his human side after all that (thinking this is the only way) — that is the same Vergil who is praising Mundus for “liberation” from fuck knows what and working for him??? THOSE TWO MEANT TO BE THE SAME CHARACTER??? WTH

I know new anime isn’t canon, but they AT LEAST could’ve save characters’ characters. That did not. Because how on earth they are the same if they have different tragedies, different lifes, different personality traits (which is usually built on the first two things)? Bullshit. Complete bullshit.

Maybe I’m overreacting. Maybe second season will be better and I’ll take my words back. Maybe I didn’t understand something. Maybe I don’t remember something about the games. But for now I’m so pissed because of that last scene, you guys can(‘t) imagine.

I also have a lot of complaints about Dante and Lady, but they’re not as half infuriating as the last scene for me.

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So fucking pissed right now

I’m meant to believe that Vergil, who hated Mundus and wanted to take his place, Vergil who suffered from his hands for a very long time being almost mindless hound dog for Mundus, Vergil who actively tried to abandon his human side after all that (thinking this is the only way) — that is the same Vergil who is praising Mundus for “liberation” from fuck knows what and working for him??? THOSE TWO MEANT TO BE THE SAME CHARACTER??? WTH

I know new anime isn’t canon, but they AT LEAST could’ve save characters’ characters. That did not. Because how on earth they are the same if they have different tragedies, different lifes, different personality traits (which is usually built on the first two things)? Bullshit. Complete bullshit.

Maybe I’m overreacting. Maybe second season will be better and I’ll take my words back. Maybe I didn’t understand something. Maybe I don’t remember something about the games. But for now I’m so pissed because of that last scene, you guys can(‘t) imagine.

I also have a lot of complaints about Dante and Lady, but they’re not as half infuriating as the last scene for me.

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Something like this would be so colossally helpful. I'm sick and tired of trying to research specific clothing from any given culture and being met with either racist stereotypical costumes worn by yt people or ai generated garbage nonsense, and trying to be hyper specific with searches yields fuck all. Like I generally just cannot trust the legitimacy of most search results at this point. It's extremely frustrating. If there are good resources for this then they're buried deep under all the other bullshit, and idk where to start looking.

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I mean, in og universe the thing didn’t kill anyone, if I remember correctly. Maybe this fact (that arcane is indeed dangerous) made Jayce from another universe see the danger in it and stop experimenting.

+ didn’t Powder kept every stone (are those stones btw?) to herself?

can someone plz explain why in the arcane show vi's death in the other universe changes everything. i'm confused bc like jayce shoulda still been doing hextech stuff right? or did that jayce get killed too, and we just didn't see it?

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cruelty is so easy. youre not special for choosing it

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Ekko went on a journey with Jinx

K, hear me out. It’s a theory first of all, based solely on a few assumptions and details in the show.

First, this Reddit post. He was (allegedly) saying goodbye to Powder, not Jinx, ant tbh he didn’t look like a person mourning death. He looked like a person who was saying goodbye, knowing that they won’t meet again. Ever. For obvious reasons.

Second, “the boy savior” has no one else to save in Zaun/Piltover. The cities came to terms with each other, people within cities as well + Firelights were still okay without Ekko. Jinx’s nickname is a curse, and we can say the same about Ekko’s nickname. Since Jinx is now free of hers (she partly fixed what she’s done), Ekko — of his (he saved cities). There is nothing holding him in Zaun.

Third, visual references. Ekko has earrings, he’s sitting at the same place where he kissed Powder and we see him from the same angle that Powder would see him in the scene. He said goodbye to “what could’ve been” and accepted “what is”. And he calls Jinx Jinx from the start of the s2ep9.

To sum up: he doesn’t need to save anyone, he isn’t holding onto the past and Powder, he said goodbye to Powder, not Jinx. Therefore he can know that Jinx is alive. Therefore nothing is stoping him from hopping in the airship and fly away with Jinx.

P.S. sorry for the mistakes, it’s been a while since I last wrote anything in English

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I can’t hold it inside so IS MADAM BO

NEW ERA’S BO’ RAI CHO???

If there’s an official info about it please share I’m begging you🥲

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ok so comeback is on 14th of October

(15th of October in South Korea)