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Sorry guys I'm real again take these from mine hands while I write up a post about New Nifty

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I SWEAR ILL POST SOON I SWEARRRRRR

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Moving onto the Hazbin Hotel cast and ALL OF THAT soon! But I’m tempted to do more Heaven things, like make Saint Peter a furry and not white. And draw Lute.

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Oh, what will I do? Now that you’re…

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Would Adam really hurt Eve? He loved her enough to leave the Garden untainted.. surely he searches for his love even after all this time?

Oh absolutely not. Regardless of how she’s changed he doesn’t have the heart for it. That’s his girl. That’s his wife. That’s his best friend. He could never do that.

However, that’s harder for Eve to understand after all of these years. Because what if he doesn’t forgive her for killing Cain? For leaving him alone? What if he found out that she slept with Lucifer? She doesn’t want to take the risk.

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SHES OUT SHES DONE GO MY SCARAB THE EVE POST IS REALLL

need to know about eve

SOON I promise!! She’s just very heavy to write about since her story includes a lot of postpartum depression/trauma and a hearty amount of murder. BUT SOON she will be done (finals are over so I am free once again!)

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Eve/Charlie

The long awaited and requested Eve and Charlie post is here! HEAVY TW on the Eve side of things for: Grooming, Postpartum Depression, The Whole Cain Thing, and suicide

So lets roll into it!

So we're actually gonna start with Charlie since she's on the lighter side of things lmao For her design, I mainly wanted to make her feel more like a main character when you look at her, add some interest to her look while still keeping it simple enough so The Viewer tm can project onto her and find her approachable. I also wanted her to look a lot more like a mix of her mother and father while mostly keeping the obvious "child of the devil" thing. I took away a lot of her red in favor of a bright yellow to make her stand out against most of the Pride Ring, and I added in the goat features with a heavier hand than the show does. She also distinctly has Eve's eyes with little hearts in each of them, because that's just. Cute as fuck. And as a bonus, her Eve-Like features down to her natural optimism and sweetness is HAUNTING for Adam. A huge reason why he's so aggressive with her is the only way he deals with his issues are to forget about them or get rid of them. (Apart of why Charlie has to deal with Adam at all is that Lucifer knows that it would upset the guy.)

Then there's Charlie's Demonic Form, she adds a total of 2 inches to her height (lmao) and gets a more hellish color pallet. I wanted it to feel magical girl-esk which is something I'm drawing from her original transformation sequence in the show. Really heavily leaning into the demon thing with her horns getting longer and that streak in her hair desaturating along with her skin. I really disliked that Charlie's Big Fight outfit was so simple so I may have overcompensated but I enjoy the colors. The one arm not having armor is because I imagine her still using the shield as her main weapon. Also, a small detail is her hands are a bit bigger and more claw-like on purpose.

For her story/personality, I'm keeping her naive attitude and her nearly sickening optimism. A lot of that has to do with Lilith desperately keeping her happy as a means of distracting herself until she "disappears" and in part due to Lucifer heavily sheltering her. I've mentioned it before but it does not make sense for Charlie to be 200 years old so I'm knocking it down to 20 years. She's wildly bright eyed and bushy tailed. The reason she has the idea to redeem sinners at all is because she wants Lilith to be able to see Heaven, which because Lilith is dead missing, isn't going to happen.

But she doesn't know that! So it's fine!

She meets Vaggie much the same way, though Charlie is nice enough to know what Vaggie is- it's more of a secret to everyone else in the Hotel than herself. This is also how they come up with the idea to attack back, which Charlie is hesitant to do until it comes down to the wire. She's not a huge fan of violence, naturally.

Charlie's relationship to her father is.. strained, because the second she becomes a person- starts having her own opinions and all that, Lucifer is no longer interested. Lucifer is especially uninterested in the Hotel, he doesn't believe sinners should have the second chance even if they could have it. So Charlie's secondary motive is to prove to him that anyone can be redeemed and that they deserve it, which is something she'll have to reconsider as she gets to know her residents.

For Eve, who makes me so god damn sad, I wanted to show the light leaving her eyes Post Apple Incident. I really wanted to give her curly hair and make her just an adorable cutie patootie. In her Garden Version I gave her these sort of magical birthmarks to symbolize that she came from Adam's rib. I also gave her a tooth gap, because I think it's just plain adorable.

Then as she gains free-will and is banished to Earth she loses that bubbly personality and becomes more and more curt as she becomes a mother. The scar on her hand is from getting it caught in a thorn bush, which admittedly I don't think it looks like that but I'll go back to fix it later. I also kinda deflated the volume in her hair to make her look a touch more downtrodden.

THEN there's her Hell Version, I completely desaturated her besides the red and made her hair more sharp and contained in two short twin braids. I tried to allude to Roo's original design as much as I could by keeping her checkered shirt and the thorn motif- but I wanted to show that her and Adam have very similar tastes, with their leather and spike, punk-like outfits. I also gave her "apple bottom jeans" (they're actually bell bottoms but hush), and a moon pendant that she turned into a bracelet that she got from Lilith.

I imagine Eve has a lot of plant/thorn based powers and can meld into shadows- but I really haven't got all of that sorted.

For her story, and this is where it gets intense so this is your final warning, I wanted to really showcase how wrong Lucifer did her. Not only does she have trouble making Adam happy in the garden, which was hard with his first wife currently being lured in by The Literal Soon To Be Devil... But she also was currently being tempted. Any time her mood soured, Lucifer was there to tilt her chin up and tell her everything she wanted to hear. So of course she trusted him, he was nothing but nice! He always talked about how much he loved her, loved Lilith, loved Adam... So when she was offered The Apple, she took a bite grateful to be included. Adam was a little too late to stop anything, not that he could have but what's one more pound of salt in the wound.

In the same breath Lilith and Lucifer were cast out, Eve was to be dammed to Earth. Adam demanded to go with her, he didn't want to be alone. God, he couldn't do that. So, off they went. They quickly had a Horrible Time, but soon they had Cain. Cain was a sweet child originally, maybe a bit rough with animals and intense with his feelings but.. it really got bad when he was seven and Able was born. Able was a golden boy, no doubts about it.. And he wasn't Adams. Eve had met once again with her fallen friend, see she had just been miserable since being on Earth.. and there was one Angel she reluctantly missed. He always said the sweetest things, after all. Adam didn't notice or care, he loved his sons and was... frankly, too exhausted to notice. Eve after Able was becoming more and more withdrawn into herself, not really caring for ether kid as much as she probably should of. Falling into a deep depression and rarely even feeding herself, it was around this time that Lucifer stopped making his visits to Earth. Both due to Heaven being watchful of the new child and that he wouldn't want to "deal with all that" as he would put it.

When Cain killed Able due to his jealousy, Eve strangled her firstborn and proceeded to cry for the remaining hours of the day. Until Adam came to bury them, she didn't have the strength to do so herself and ate hemlock that same night.

She woke up in Hell, taking a lot of solace in Lilith and Lucifer's company for many years. Lilith naturally missed her and Lucifer was happy to have his "toy" back. (His words, we hate him.)

It took her awhile to adjust but as humans started flooding into hell (post Adam death and then post evolution) she found solace in taking advantage of others, it made her feel powerful. Something she never felt, in control. Yet, she still ended up visiting her favorite couple from time to time for quick kisses and any kind of social engagement. At some point she takes on the nickname of Roo (short for Root, short for Root of All Evil) and is a sort of legend among Sinners.

Later rather than sooner, one of these meeting with just Lucifer ended up with Lucifer wanting a child from her, he promised that she could try again as a mother. She agreed to have her, gave birth to her... but once she saw Charlie's face? She couldn't do it. She couldn't raise a child again even after thousands of years, so.. she left Charlie with Lilith, who never got the chance to have a child and got out of there. Lilith was happy to raise the kid, have any sort of distraction from Lucifer's gilded cage. So, Eve went into hiding in hell and is currently still avoiding Lucifer's eye. Eve only really started killing, gaining souls, and becoming prominent again after Lilith's disappearance. Enraged and ultimately scared for her situationship/best friend, thinking that Lucifer must have done something so she needs real power to question him.

Naturally since being in Hell for a long time she'd learned that he's Actually Not Good and was Just Lovebombing her, but it doesn't stop her from missing him from time to time. And her literal soulmate (Adam) is forever out of reach unless he's in Hell killing Sinners, and she's not so sure he wouldn't hurt her after years of memories distorting and emotions being built up.

Anyway that's... pretty much all I have to say. It's hard to summarize so I apologize if anything is unclear. I want to talk about Eve so much but I find myself just Making Noise instead of having comprehensive statements sometimes. There's also a lot I still have to figure out with Cain/Able and Adam so, we'll get there eventually.

Also here's the line up as per usual.

And a zoom-in on the Morningstar family (+ Eve)

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two questions:

1-are all sins evil??

2-did eve married lucifer after Lilith’s death?,and how does she feel about lucifer?

! Okie I'll answer two first because it is a bit more simple!

2. Eve hates Lucifer but often uses him as validation post her death, she did not marry him but she is Charlie's bio mother. (Though she never claims her, she has a tough relationship with the idea of motherhood) Lilith is still Lucifers Wife in my rewrite of things. Eve is super complicated so her post is taking a bit to write out since I don't want to do her a disservice. After Lilith died, Eve didn’t want to see anyone really, especially not Lucifer. 1. As for the sins being evil, yes and no. All of the sins in my versions were angels, before The Apple Incident they were relatively well adjusted. Sure, they had tendencies and signs of what was to come but they were all at one point good "people" besides arguably Lucifer who was in full control of himself until The Apple Incident. Post-Apple it was only a manner of time before the Sins started getting compulsions, an itch they had to scratch that eventually led to each one being booted out of Heaven by Raguel. For example Mammon WAS the Angel of Prosperity and was in charge of the Treasury of Heaven- but after Sin was made he would do little things like hold onto people too tight, forget what personal space is entirely, etc. Sure, before he was a bit intense about his job but suddenly it's more than that. And all of the Sins experience that itch for eternity. They can't help what they are in the same way you can't blame an bear for attacking someone in the woods or a hawk picking up a chicken. It's nature at that point. So yes, they're evil but they also no longer have the choice to be anything BUT evil so it's a touch complicated. All of them view it differently, and it impacts each of their social lives/day-to-day differently! I would argue that Ozzie is the least effected by his sin in his social life and that this makes him more judgmental of the other sins because he doesn't understand how debilitating it can be for someone like Levi. Levi I would say is the most isolated due to her sin, but every one of them has a lot to deal with on the regular. TLDR: Yes but no but yes but no

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need to know about eve

SOON I promise!! She’s just very heavy to write about since her story includes a lot of postpartum depression/trauma and a hearty amount of murder. BUT SOON she will be done (finals are over so I am free once again!)

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third spotify master post incoming ...

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I once read a fic in which Heaven (all of Heaven, the winners, the angels of all classes and types, and all other Heavenborn and residence) held a yearly festival to celebrate “The Lost Mother” which was Lilith as she was seen as the Devil’s first victim. Your AU really reminds me of that and I really like that ❤️

E THANK YOUUU!!! That sounds like a lovely fic and I would love to read it!! (I cannot find it for the life of me) As a treat, here's a teaser for my Charlie. She likes to talk to her mother's statue in the garden outside of The Hotel. </3

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Your Lilith redesign is great (thank you for making her a WOC), BUT I do have to say Adam WAS "misogynistic" in the sense that he expected Lilith to stay beneath him. That part is actually true to the Bible more or less (she refused to lay under him during sex). This is a natural inclination more than anything, because Adam (men) were created first, he's deemed as superior. What we see in the show from him currently is different, which we can assume he developed over the centuries.

The Bible itself is very fast and loose with misogyny. It definitely considers women lesser than men, but it does stress that they should be respected and cared for. It's different than the misogyny of most human history. So expecting Lilith to be beneath him wouldn't have been with the intention to bring her harm or make her feel less than human, it was just with the understanding that he was made first so he was the one to be in charge

Okay lemme start with a thank you!! I love my Lilith and I'm so glad other people do as well <3 she's my girlie!! But I have to acknowledge that I very much know that the Bible itself (in whichever form you pick of it) is very misogynistic. I'm using the Various Versions Of The Bible as a looser guideline, viewing it more as a collection of stories. I'm not looking to stay super true to most of it, just the key parts. As for Adam and his character and what I intend to do, I don't think it makes sense for misogyny to be real before the concept of being an asshole is. It's stressed in the story that Adam was made a control freak. Regardless of how "not modern" the sexism is, I don't really love it lmao. I still want Adam to end up being somewhat sexist, that's not something I'm entirely changing- Eden is SUPPOSED to be a paradise, what would Adam even be controlling about then? It makes more sense Post-Apple with Eve but Lilith and him barely had the time to be toxic/have an imbalance in the relationship. I'll take more in depth about it when we get there but I'm using the storybook we're shown in Episode one of Hazbin to be wildly inaccurate on purpose due to Lucifer trying to shape Charlie's view of his relationship to Lilith.

Also, I know canonically Charlie is 200, I've been tracking this series since I was younger and have been watching Viv's art for a long time. I just love Charlie's character, her naivety works really well as a contrast- the main issue is that it does NOT make sense for a 200 year old creature to behave as cluelessly as she does. At all. She's a spunky 20-something! She's bright eyed and bushy tailed! This is MY remake so I'm remaking in a way that makes me satisfied with the story.

I made Lilith leave when she was 13 or whatever because that's something hard for a 13 year old to fully process. The age at which you lose a parent heavily changes how you cope, what you do. I think it's important for her to be so young so that she is still holding onto that childish sort of hope that she had back then, maybe she'll come back.

Anyway, in summary:

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Working on Charlie and GOSH she is such a cutie patootie why doesn't she get more screentime in her OWN SHOW ? Misery

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Fuck it, go my Lilith.

Oh and Abel. Say hi Abel!!!!

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Lucifer/Lilith

I HATE that TWINK WITH THE TOPHAT, but Lilith is My Girl who I Cry About,,,

HUGE Content Warning for Grooming and general abusive relationships, like,,, I cannot stress this enough. And depression. That too.

Let's start with The Twinks design. Honestly I don't mind Cannon Lucifer all that much- I mostly just wanted more contrast with his outfit but it's not far off from what I would interpret. I like that he's short in comparison to Hell's VERY tall residents and the first humans (who are all between 8ft-11ft tall). I really wanted to lean into a more uncanny/weird look for him, so I got rid of his eyebrow privileges and his pupils. I also let him keep his cheeks and the hair since both are fitting for his look. Lucifer, in Heaven looked much the same but now is a shell of what he was. A Self Made man, a Coin Operated Boy if you will. Lucifer is obsessed with how he is perceived, both wanting to be intimidating and lovable. Wanting no one to dare approach him but to also seem wildly approachable. Lucifer's whole bit is wanting to have his cake and eat it too, not realizing he just cannot have that. His body is.. not organic in the traditional sense, he has skin and blood but his body is hollow except for the shell of it- which does have a thin layer of veins and all that good stuff.

For his Demonic Fuckoff Form, I did keep him the same height and stuff because honestly it IS just funny. His wings are mechanical, he made them himself, which is a bit of an illusion to Daedalus of Icarus fame and leaning into the heavy denial of his own holiness- which is also why his fake snake familiar curls around his horns like a halo! (Something I enjoyed in the cannon look, but it was inconsistently used.) I also made his outfit tear off, as I imagine his wings 'deploy' out. It also happened to end up looking a bit like those pictures of Jesus coming out of his Rock Hole which was accidental but I'm gonna say it was on purpose.

My Lucifer is much... more obviously evil. He's LUCIFER, ya know? He's the guy who kept pressing, interacting with humans despite everyone in his circle telling him not to- then grooming them, getting with Lilith before the apple. Before humans had free will. He fully knew what he was doing, he just didn't care to look at the consequences. If every other sin who fell from Heaven was compelled, driven by fate.. Lucifer was the only one of those seven who you could say was aware of himself, in control of himself. We can talk more about Adam/Eve and Cain/Able later, but since free will only existed post The Apple Incident, that means Lilith had no real life outside of Hell. There was no time for her to have committed sin, besides the marriage to a man when she had no idea what that could mean. Let's talk about Lilith. I designed her to look meek, downturned. I considered using owls in her design but I wanted to lean into the moon aspect of her character more subtly. I found that rabbits were often associated with the moon and they fit into being a common prey for snakes- so I worked with that for her shape language. I also sort of took inspiration from both nuns and wedding outfits for her dress. The crown/veil on her head cannot be removed, it's apart of her body and forever stuck to her.

The flowers I used are Butterfly Weeds, which in a bouquet are a sort of warning to leave the sender alone. That they do not want to be associated with you. They also have the double meaning of vitality, health, and resilience! Which is a sort of cruel irony. I also put horse-skull gloves on her hands to represent her connection to death in general.

As for her role, I decided that Charlie will actually be Eve/Roo's child but Lilith would treat her as her own. Naturally, I'm making it so that Lucifer made Charlie magically and boasts about how GOOD he was to his wives to do so, though it's mainly so he could control Charlie easier. Lilith saw this and took Charlie away from her father as often as she could, and with Lucifer being such a sore loser and not wanting to even TOUCH Sinners- Lilith thrived as the Queen of Hell, showing Charlie what it's like to love purely and care. However as years went on, Lilith became depressed. She was already inclined to this behavior/feeling and only fell into it more so when Adam started executing Sinners by the handful. Heaven was scared of Lilith's power, and so Sera sent Adam with a fleet of his own Angels to keep the numbers down in Hell. Adam sort of does whatever Sera asks, even if he's not a fan but we will GET THERE laterer. (His personality is more or less the same with some added depth.)

There came a time when Lilith was tired. Too tired to continue being a mother to a child of a man she hated, too tired to try living a life that was never in her own control. Being hated. Being idolized. Around when Charlie is 13 (because she is JUST 20 in my version of the series), she found Adam during an extermination. Being that Lilith is not a Hellborn and IS just a Sinner, she begged Adam to kill her. It was a tough sort of back and forth (THAT WE WILL GET INTO LATER) but eventually Adam does so, which will later be dramatized by Lucifer to Charlie as a battle when it really wasn't. I really wanted Lilith to haunt the narrative, it shocked me that this Queen of Hell had.. little to no weight or appearances in the show. I'm thinking large imposing statues, posters, photos by Charlie's bedside... Looming and looking, never with a smile on her face. The First Woman.

There's still a lot more I want to explore here with Lilith/Eve/Adam/Lucifer, but I really wanted to drive home that Lucifer is a HUGE fuckwad and that he's hurt people, particularly his wife.

And as per usual, the Height Chart- of which I've tweaked quite a bit

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You know,I love your redesigns and rewrites,heck,I love everyone's own views of what hazbin hotel/helluva boss should be. It's like reading your redesigns,rewrites,memos and others makes me wanna go and read these all so much. Like,I love love it so much. I love reading it. Thanks for this you know. Now,imma go and nom nom this all up since your redesigns and rewrites are just so good.

EE thank you so much!! You have no idea how much asks like this keep me going!! Honestly you all have been so sweet and it means so much to meeee <33 Have a Mammon, as a treat <3

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updated the spotify masterlist to include Lilith, Eve/Roo and Glitz/Glam :3