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There have been so many amazing insightful things written about the RamilPaytai scene, but also - can we take a moment to appreciate Jimmy's absolutely gorgeous long legs?

I do believe the expression "legs for days" applies here.

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So how do I get a show about just them as actually these roles and the characters implied here? Like... I want this. I want this show. Not as a body swap but as just a full on 'masc shorter guy meets femme tall top'. Like... hi. Please and thank you.

This is my ideal pairing why must it only be brought to me like this?

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I don’t know if someone has talked about it before and I just missed it, but the room we just saw in EP 8 is a different one from the one we saw in EP 5 and EP 6.

Based on the bed frame being less opulent I am assuming the room we saw in EP 8 is Paytai’s, which implies that he is the one that owns or at least stores the flogger. That feels like a significant detail.

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Love Upon A Time Q1 tomorrow!!!

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I don’t know if someone has talked about it before and I just missed it, but the room we just saw in EP 8 is a different one from the one we saw in EP 5 and EP 6.

Based on the bed frame being less opulent I am assuming the room we saw in EP 8 is Paytai’s, which implies that he is the one that owns or at least stores the flogger. That feels like a significant detail.

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I’m unwell

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SUNOO: desire: unleash | concept film (make ver.)

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"dom-drop"? For those of us who are slow?

You are not slow at all! I think it's one of those things where, unless you engage in D/s play above a toe-in level or make a study of it, you wouldn't have come across the concept. It really isn't represented in media.

I ended up explaining the gamut of D/s states during a session as a way to kind of answer really solidly what a Dom-drop is, so I'm going to put a cut on this just because it's a long answer.

I say it repeatedly throughout the ask, but just again to be very clear-- Everything is unique to individual people and their psychology, desires- anything you can imagine as a factor goes into how they experience BDSM play and D/s dynamics.

This might be exactly dead-on for someone, or it could be completely different from their personal experience. I'm writing the answer to averages. If it isn't your experience, that doesn't mean you are doing anything "right" or "wrong", you're just doing it how you do it. No qualifier needed.

So, BDSM play, D/s play, leads two directions if it's done to a strong enough degree. For some, it's the goal of the session. For others, a perk. For others, they don't even want it to get that far.

Sub-Space: Where the submissive partner goes. Falling into that cycle of obedience and reward and torment (good or bad, delayed orgasm or flogging or whatever you're into). It breaks a person down to a zone called sub-space. It's a kind of trance, where you're not quite conscious, and absolutely cannot give proper consent (it's WHY you have to set the limits and agreements before BDSM sessions- a sub in subspace might agree to anything, even if it's a hard limit normally).

It's like being drunk, so it's different for everyone. Usually warm, floaty, extra sensitive, some cry, some laugh, it's a world in and of itself. Pure instinct. Some subs are wholly non-verbal in sub-space. They literally are not there enough to even form words (I call this the best level).

Dom-Space: The opposite side of the spectrum. Still instinct-based, but... I don't want to say it's more "intense", because sub-space is extremely intense in a very different way, but intense in the sense of having power and control to do whatever you want and take whatever you want.

It's power, it's control, it's wanting something and taking it by force (as allowed by the restrictions around the session agreed to beforehand). It overwhelms and consumes because YOU control everything, YOU have all the power, especially if the sub has gone into sub-space.

But the Dom is also responsible for any limits agreed before the session. A sub in sub-space cannot be trusted to consent to new stuff. Again- think of them as someone just about blackout drunk or high as a kite. A Dom can go into Dom-space, but HAS to keep an eye out for their sub and make sure the limits are there still.

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Dom-drop (and sub-drop) is what comes next. Once the session is over and the sex is done.

All of that power and control and primal lust has to end eventually, and that's where aftercare happens USUALLY. Obviously in a scene like The Next Prince, where Ramil suffers a Dom-drop in the middle of a session- that's going to be different.

The Dom has to bring the sub around again, pull them up and out of sub-space. I've seen everything from wrapping a sub in a heated blanket and putting on a disney movie to taking a bath together.

Subs coming out of sub-space tend to be shaking, either sensitive or numb, and the type of play can make them sore and aching. Heat is always a good choice. The Dom usually holds them through it, or at the very least stays close enough for contact if they need it. If the sub just falls asleep, that's fine, clean them up and tuck them in.

But a Dom needs it too. They might feel unsure about what they did during the session, feel guilty about the Dominance and power they showed, be physically and psychologically exhausted. If they're working through stress or tension (like Ramil is during that scene), they could fall into tears even.

They need their sub as much as the sub needs them. Again, sub-space is such an uncertainty that there has to be some grace as to if the sub is even conscious at the end, but if possible, they need to hold their Dom, reassure them, and express their thanks for what they experienced.

The Dom has to express thanks to the sub for trusting them and submitting to them during the session as a way to kind of- this is me, and that is a different me. To put a line between session-Dom and themselves in real life, even if it's a 24/7 D/s dynamic.

And a way the sub can help is by accepting that care.

Like you saw in The Next Prince, when Ramil crashes out of Dom-space and has an unexpected Dom-drop mid-session, Paytai kisses the hands that delivered the violence. He showed Ramil he accepts him, trusts him, and loves him.

I also want to mention somewhere that there are physical triggers you can use as an exit hatch from Dom-space or sub-space. Eating some food, turning up the air conditioning, that heated blanket or bath mentioned before, opening a window to let in fresh air- environmental changes are kind of the easiest way to trigger it, because D/s play might include any wide range of sensations and sounds and sensory deprivation. Creating a ritual element to mark the end of play can help Dom-drop and sub-drop be gentle and natural.

Ideally, no one has an unexpected drop and crashes out of their space. That, hopefully, is a very unique-to-stress situation.

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Nhu: riding horses may not be our way. Lets go back and count them

Zee: ride this horse

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I love this moment so much.

Dom-drop is extremely real, and it doesn't always happen at the end of a session during the aftercare phase. It can happen literally any time, with all the emotions that go full blast during sex.

I love that he absolutely crashes out of Dom mode. I love that Paytai sees it and is just there, holding his hand, not trying to force Ramil back into his Dom state, but just being there for him.

Holding his hand while Ramil comes down, and sharing the pain Ramil feels. Not going "I'm fine", but Paytai actually looks sad. He knows why Ramil is hurting, and he won't pretend it doesn't hurt him too.

Kissing the hand Ramil uses to hold him down, letting Ramil know it's okay, he's here because he loves him. Every side of him. Paytai giving Ramil the aftercare he needs even while they're still having sex. Kissing the Dom who fled into Ramil's shadows.

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As if the BL industry news of the past few days weren't bleak enough already... it's now come to light that not only were the actors from the recently aired BL Eye Contact paid very (very!) little, they also weren't paid at all for promo appearances and commissions -- and that although their management received a fixed (and much higher) amount of money as their intended actor's fee. The actors in question (Bank Toranin, New Chunnawan, Jame Supawit and Thap Tepphong) have since hired a laywer and are seeking to terminate their contracts with their current management.

I already knew that actors in Thai BL dramas were paid very little but this is positively exploitative -- especially since none of them were ever paid for promotional events which should actually make them the most money. And again I'm reminded of when Yoon Phusanu experienced a very similar situation with his former management and urged his fellow actors to always stay on top of their contracts and advocate for themselves.*

*And apparently none of the actors mentioned here were ever actually given copies of their contracts. What the fuck.

The unfortunate reality is that lots of fans don't really care if the people behind their favourite show/movie/game/group are treated well as long as they get some good entertainment out of it (often stating that the show etc already exists so there's no harm in watching because it "honours" the actors' work etc - yeah no that's not how it works) . This is why it's so important to shine a light on things like this and showcase it so openly -- very public press conference and photo shoot with your lawyer included. I really hope that Bank and the others will at least get released from their contracts. As for Eye Contact? Yeah, fuck that show. I'm glad I never found the time to finish watching.

I'll put the machine-translated article from the Daily News detailing what's happened, the amount of money that was apparently embezzled and the ongoing legal proceedings behind a cut. Happy raging reading:

4 BL Drama Actors Appeal for Fairness: Claim Agency Deducted Their Pay and Sent Them to Events for Free

Four young male actors from a Boyslove (BL) drama have appealed for justice through lawyer Ronnarong Kaewphet, stating they want to terminate their contracts with their management company. They allege that their fees were deducted without notice, and they were made to attend numerous events without being paid or reimbursed for expenses.

On June 22, at the Office of the Ronnarong Foundation for Justice Restoration in Society, located on Chaeng Watthana Road in Nonthaburi Province, four actors—Mr. Toranin Manosukprasert (nickname: Bank, age 26), Mr. Thap Thepphong (nickname: Tup, age 23), Mr. Chunnawan Mandee (nickname: New, age 22), and Mr. Supawit Wongfz (nickname: Jame, age 21)—stars of the BL drama "เพียงสบตา" (Eye Contact) airing on Channel 25 (GMM Grammy), met with lawyer Ronnarong to discuss legal issues, claiming that they were treated unfairly by their agency.

Bank stated that he played the lead role in the series alongside his three friends and more than ten additional young actors, including high school students. They were paid per episode, totaling 90,000 baht (~€2,300). After tax deductions, he received about 80,000 baht (~€2,050), which was paid. However, after the drama ended, the company sent him to dozens of promotional events without providing any compensation or covering his expenses. He also helped the company sell thousands of books but did not receive the agreed-upon commission.

Bank further revealed that while he personally received 90,000 baht, he later learned that the company had actually been given 150,000 baht (~€3,850) per actor by upper management as their acting fee. This discrepancy, which was not disclosed to them, made him feel taken advantage of. All four actors had signed a 1 year and 6 months contract with the company. They are now seeking legal help to determine whether the contract can be terminated.

Tup added that he received only 20,000 baht (~€515) for his role. He is less concerned about the amount but questions why the company failed to pay or support them during the many events they were asked to attend. He also feels exploited and is asking lawyer Ronnarong to help them terminate their contract.

Jame said he was paid 18,000 baht (~€465), which he felt was extremely low, considering the company reportedly received 150,000 baht (~€3,850) per actor. When they tried to ask about it, the company refused and claimed the money had gone to various expenses and taxes.

New said he was promised 70,000 baht (~€1,800) but was only paid 20,000 baht (~€515). When he followed up, he too was denied the remaining amount. Upon learning that the company received 150,000 baht (~€3,850) each for the four of them and six other junior actors—totaling 1.5 million baht (~€38,500)—he felt even more wronged. However, he clarified that they are not seeking the unpaid portion, only legal help to cancel the remaining contract and be free from the company.

Lawyer Ronnarong stated he will take the case to the Minister of Justice to find a legal pathway to terminate the contract, which is possible if there's evidence of exploitation. He urged the company’s executives to show empathy, pointing out that all the actors are still students and should be treated fairly, not taken advantage of.

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Ok, I stopped barking long enough to write down some stuff. Let’s talk about the Ramil/Paytai nc scene. I’m seeing some discourse along the lines of “Ramil realized that he was being abusive with Paytai”, “he realized he was perpetuating the violence that Paytai suffered at the hands of his father” etc. and as someone who is a dom IRL (not as a job but for personal fun time), I wanted to share some thoughts and maybe provide some insights.

First, I can’t stress this enough: bdsm play is not abuse. Dom/sub dynamics (properly negotiated) are not abuse.

Ramil is absolutely not abusive in his intimate life with Paytai. He literally doesn’t move a muscle unless Paytai tells him to. I’m not saying he’s never toxic - he’s obviously very jealous and possessive. Tbh though, I think he’s actually not that controlling outside the figurative bedroom. Many times we see him actually defer to Paytai instead of deciding something by himself and imposing it, which is (ahem) more than can be said about Khanin with Charan.

But engaging in bdsm play is not abuse. Pain/impact play is not abuse, it’s not violence. Violence is about inflicting harm/damage - Ramil never wants to harm Paytai, the show makes that abundantly clear.

I also don’t think flogging (and whatever other pain play they engage in) was introduced by Ramil, based on who he is shown to be and the fact that he never moves a finger until Paytai tells him to. I believe that Paytai is the one who initially asked Ramil to use a flogger on him, because he’s the, let’s say, main sub in the relationship and bdsm play (usually) centers around the sub’s desires. Paytai choosing to integrate flogging into his sex life, when and how he chooses, with a partner he loves and trusts, can be a way to reclaim something that harmed him in a different context and find empowerment in it. It is not the same thing as perpetuating violence. Paytai is not a victim in his sex life.

When we see the brief flashback of the night before the bike ride, Paytai is wearing a collar tied to a chain, which Ramil holds as he fucks him. This is also bdsm, and it’s very clear in the scene that they are both having a great fucking time. No one is being taken advantage of.

Now the end of the lace scene: Ramil not wanting to use the flogger (whip) on Paytai doesn’t mean that he suddenly doesn’t vibe with their dom/sub dynamic or bdsm play. I personally think for Ramil, the pain play was never his thing, really; he did it for Paytai. His thing was always the ownership - the reassurance that Paytai is his and his alone, that he’s not going anywhere. He can realize that he’s not comfortable using a flogger anymore, or maybe in that specific moment, because of the trauma they’ve both experienced but still enjoy tying up Paytai, being tied up by him, having Paytai tell him he belongs to him, etc. It can also be that in that moment, what he (Ramil) needed the most was softness. It doesn’t make any of the other stuff bad.

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Like I think one thing that is important to me (and which I interpreted as part of yesterday's scene) is that Paytai loves and wants Ramil when he's winning but he also loves and wants him when he's failing. He wants big tall sexy powerful mean dom Ramil using Paytai as he pleases, he wants smug confident Ramil who wins all his fencing matches and is on track to make his dad the next king, he wants Ramil when he says "I can keep you safe" and does anything he can to back that up, he wants Ramil when he's growing and healing and making friends, flourishing and thriving.

But he also wants trembling hurt broken Ramil who needs Paytai to hold him and care for him, he wants Ramil who is terrorized by his father and can only find escape safety comfort with Paytai, he wants Ramil when he wants to keep Paytai safe but fails (because the WANTING of it was so unequivocally true, and Ramil is more hurt than Paytai by his failure, and that makes Paytai feel so loved and seen), he wants Ramil when he's antisocially avoiding everybody and lowkey hates that other people than Paytai even exist, he wants Ramil when he's flailing and fumbling and falling apart.

Now this is for sure motivated by my own journey into realizing that I was into non-fictional kink: a character who can be mean in the bedroom but so wet and pathetic out of it activated the obvious-to-everyone-but-me epiphany that oh, my unwavering need to nurture my partner can totally coexist alongside my unwavering desire to get sexually ruined. So am I projecting onto Paytai? OF COURSE!!

But yeah I just think the scared little boy who needs Paytai to build worlds for him is as much of a sexual draw to Paytai as the overpowering cruel dom and I wish for other people to share in this very important headcanon. Thank you for your time.

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If Prince Rachata finds out that you skipped your training... Companions must endure and take the blame for one another.

Jimmy Karn as PRINCE RAMIL and Ohm Thanakrit as PAYTAI THE NEXT PRINCE | EP. 8 (+EP. 4)

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At the risk of getting in trouble with Tumblr, I want to say that what I like about this:

Is that it's actually very good kink practice. When you're penetrating someone from behind and you want to have them on a leash with a collar around their neck, it's important to not have the pressure being put on their windpipe. See how the collar is arranged so that it's pressing on the side of Paytai's neck? We can't quite see, but it looks like Ramil is holding the collar in place to make sure of that. The neck is very delicate, and the windpipe is the most delicate part of it. It's fairly easy to damage. So when you're pulling on someone's collar when you're in that sexual position, you have to make sure that it's not putting pressure on their windpipe, or you could do serious harm.

BDSM is not something to be taken lightly. It's kind of like an extreme sport, except that the need kinky people have for it is deep and profound. The fact that Ramil and Paytai engage in it in the way that they do despite the fact that the trauma they're experiencing can taint it is indicative of that. It's not something a lot of us can ignore. Sure, for some people it's just a little bit of fun that they'd be fine without, but for a lot of us, it's a deep hunger. If you're one of those people, you need to be careful, and you need to do research on the risks of any kinky activity you want to do or relationship type you want to enter. Because it can be dangerous, both physically and emotionally. But if you do it safely, it can be the most wonderful experience in the world. For me, when I've engaged in BDSM with people, it's transcendent. Nothing matches the beauty of consensual power exchange for me.

That got away from me. The point is, good job show, for demonstrating the safe way to pull on someone's leash in doggy style.