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Tate’s Answers & Closing Statement

Jenna:

I wish I had talked more about our Final 2 deal, but it was mostly a pre-jury alliance and I wanted to keep that section of my speech fairly short. While I did briefly mention that you and I bonded fairly early into the game, I'll take this opportunity to expand on our final 2. Our "Macaroni and Cheese" alliance that was created week 1 was instrumental in getting me to the jury phase. You had key bonds in the house that I didn't have, and being aligned with you kept me somewhat safe. You were able to tell me how the house was voting which allowed me to continue my UTR game play. We shared information too. I realize that Agustin and you were friends in this game, but I do hope you know that I loved our conversations and I think we really worked well together. I knew I was never going to be able to beat you in the end, and you were such a strong player. One of my best moves was aligning with you for the first half of the game because it set me up in a position where I had all the information I needed to turn the game around and take control during the trail nominations. P.S. I think I'm pretty cute too wtf :P

Alex:

Hey dude! From day 1 to the day you were voted out, you were my number 1. Before you were evicted I did want to go to the final 2 with you. You became one of my bestfriends in this game. This may be harsh but at the time I thought that if I kept playing the way that I was, I would beat you in a final 2 scenario anyway. I was never going to turn my back on you. I had many final 2s in this game because I honestly just liked so many people in this cast. I saw benefits to working with almost everyone and these f2 deals worked out for me immensely. Once you were gone, I had to create new final 2s in Keegan and Lauren to keep me safe and in the know.

Zach:

Hi Zach! I honestly believe that my game was vastly superior for multiple reasons. Firstly, I made gamechanging moves (trail nominations, secret idol play with Keegan) and I made subtle moves (Multiple final 2s, throwing comps to minimize my target). Both of these types of moves allowed me to play a PROACTIVE game. I was always setting myself up to not only be safe for the current week, but for future weeks too. Compared to Agustin who could only hope for REACTIVE moves that weren't even always made by him. I never needed people to use a veto on me, because I was never really nominated. I believe I was never nominated because I made sure that I was always important to the people that had power. Even when you were HoH, I wasn't nominated. I was voted "most likely to win" in Touchy Subjects. In my time playing ORGs, that is usually a death sentence. I was able to overcome that stigma by making sure I was a important piece to other people's game, all while making sure my targets went home. Also, a simple explanation of whose game was better can be broken down to me having 2 comp wins compared to Agustin's 0. I was nominated 2 times compared to Agustin's 6. I beat Agustin in basically every "stat" there is. That plays into why I took him over Ryan. Ryan played a game very similar to mine. I truly think Ryan played a better game than Agustin. I believe that even if you and some other jurors were closer to Agustin in game, you are all fans of the game who will vote for who played the better game. And it is undeniable that my game outclasses Agustin's in almost every category.

My biggest regret in this game was that I didn't talk to you or Agustin more. I think we could have done lot's of things together in this game. But at the same time, I needed some sort of "enemies" to keep my allies thinking I was not against them. You were evicted because we saw you as somebody who had the power to sway people. You are such a likable person that it's hard to go against you. People are drawn to you naturally. That was something that really scared me. James and I never had an official f2, but we had an agreement of the sorts of "you don't put me up, I won't put you up". James hadn't turned his back on me yet, so that's another reason I voted to evict you. I had already nominated you, and you had just taken out my best friend in the house. I just didn't see you in my plans moving forward, and I don't think I was in your either. So I had to strike before you got me.

Adrian :

Thank you Adrian! I really am glad I had the chance to get to know you better because of HoS, and I cna really see why people say you are a dangerous player now!

1- I thought it was a good time to use it because in a double eviction, lots of things can go wrong. I decided to use it before the veto because I had a date the next night while the veto was being played, so if it was a twist that would shake up the house, I needed to do it before then. I didn't want to use it before because as you know, my early game is all about being UTR and playing all sides. I didn't' want to force my hand so early.

2- It's hard to say because that week was so early into the game. I think there was a good chance of me going home that week. Obviously nothing is certain but I would say the chances of me getting evicted were probably 50/50. We don't know how the veto would have played out if the noms stayed the same so it really is a crapshoot. If I went out then, the whole season would have been different!

3- Well Jenna and Alex were my f2s in the first half, up until their evictions. I think I would have naturally gravitated towards Keegan/Lauren earlier than I did if Alex/Jenna weren't around in the early game. But I was also working with Elsa/Ryan early but no real f2 deal was ever made.

4- I wouldn't have led Lauren on during f5. I could and should have just been more upfront with her about my plans. She deserved that respect, but I did her a little dirty. I felt like a dick even if I knew it was best for game. I don't like seeing anybody get hurt, especially if I'm the cause. I think she wouldn't have been so hurt if I had just been more honest with her.

5- Yup! I've got lot's of regrets, not so much gamewise, but how I treated people. The Lauren backdoor at f5, I should have been more honest with her. I should have taken the time to get to know people a little more, like more than just as a player in this game (mainly Zach and Agustin) because I really do like everyone here.

Keegan:

Love you bae! Thanks for the kind words.

Lauren:

Your eviction was the hardest decision I had to make all game. Even harder than F3. Obviously it worked out because I'm here, but even without being results oriented, I think it was the best decision. I thought that if I was on the block in F4, James or Agustin would vote to save me. I was the biggest threat at F4, and I wasn't super good at comps. I was a real easy vote out at final 3. Meaning either Agustin or James (whoever was in final 3) were guaranteed a spot at final 2 if I was saved. Your eviction set up that scenario for me. I'm also was never 100% sure if you would take me to f2 or not, but even if you did I thought I would lose against you.

Lauren you were one of my fave people I met in this game, and I hope we can stay connected after it's all done. I loved being you partner in ios and I really wish I had the chance to redeem myself with you.

Ryan:

Jenna - Jenna is such a fun person! She is a true defender of pineapple on pizza so I will always be a stan. My fave thing about my talks with Jenna was hearing all her stories about her and her boyfriend. They are honestly goals. I would love to go out with them if I'm ever back in Toronto.

Alex - My talks with Alex were mainly talking about other orgs that we were hosting or playing in, and the struggles of being in those roles. Alex and I talked a lot of game, but I found it really fun to discuss strategy with him. I learned a lot about Alex and who he is as a person through our strategy talks, like how he likes to find his number 1. Which I think applies to both irl and in game.

Zach - Admittedly, I didn't have much of a relationship with Zach. What I did learn about him in our few talks is that he is such a personable guy. I think in most season's we would have aligned together because we both view the game in very similar ways.

Elsa - I hope Elsa is having a great summer back at home, and she isn't too worried about starting school again! Elsa is such a kind and open minded human being. I can't think of anypoint Elsa saying anything negative about anything. I think Elsa and I would be great friends irl.

Adrian - I've known Adrian prior to HoS17, but Adrian and I had little bit of a rocky host/player relationship going into this game (mostly my fault, sorry for being an ass in Quebec lol). I honestly ADORED being able to talk to him as equals and really getting to know him this season. We talked a lot about work, and I know how hard he was working during this season. His kids week program meant a lot to him so I was happy to see that go well.

Keegan - Keegan and I bonded over a mutual friend. We also talked a lot about work, and our futures outside of work. He sent me so many dog pics I think my compute memory is all used up. Similar to Alex, later in the game, Keegan and I mainly talked about the game because we honestly were having so much fun talking about it. From finding the idol, to planning how we wanted the game to go, Keegan was always a blast to talk to.

Lauren - Lauren would rather carry me wedding style than piggyback me :P. Lauren and I became closer and closer as the game went on. Her dog is honestly the cutest.

James - We didn't talk much but we were ALWAYS on the same page gamewise. I see James' personality almost identical to his game (to me at least). He is just a honest straight up guy.

Ryan - I remember our first discussion was about fucking Degrassi LOL. You and me are probably the most similar people in this house imo. We take orgs seriously, but not too seriously. We both are chill dudes that just want to smoke a bowl and see some drama.

I'll be the first to admit I could have done more to get to know everyone. I think getting to know someone is only part of having a good social game. The other part is getting that person to trust you. I think I was in almost every juror's (minus Zach) top 3 for most trustworthy at some point in the game. So in that regard, my social game wasn't terrible.

Closing statement:

So I think I've said everyting I've wanted to say about my game. I just want to highlight the fact that when all this is over, I'm going to look back at HoS17 and say I was able to not only survive the armageddon, I thrived in it. I never played anyone else's game but my own. I applied for this game because my friend Brett (season 16 winner) sent me the application and told me that this game would suit me well. I just wanted to give him a shoutout and say thank you to him, because he was right! I honestly adore everyone involved with this season. I've had such a great time pulling off #bigmovez and somehow escaping unharmed. I think if you look at mine and Agustin's game, you can easily tell who really took this game and ran with it. I thought I was a goner once I was voted "most likely to win", but here I am at the end.

Love you all. Tatertots out <3

#hos17

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hos17armageddon · 8 years ago

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Agustin’s Answers & Closing Statement

Jenna

Sweet Jenna, u r one of my fave people, and right b4 u left I told u I was leaving next. I didn't. I made it here, both for me and to rep u.

Alex

Hey Alex, good to see you!

It's not a secret that we didn't have a strong connection in the game. We did talk sometimes, but barely about the game. Sadly, I can't say that you had a huge direct impact in my game, your role was of a potential ally that never ended up happening. I would've honestly allied you had you made it past the fast round, as at that time I had just lost Jenna so I was looking at the market for allies, and I feel that out of the people I wasn't aligned with, you would've been the easiest person to work with, you have the kind of personality that I like allying in ORGs, loyal, honest, and shared a fair amount of information, but while the potential was there, it just never happened.

Once again, sadly, I cannot say that you had a bigger impact in my game than you had in Tate's considering he was your f2, so if that's your main focus on who's getting your vote, then I'm afraid there is no way I will be getting your vote. I do ask you to please reconsider your criteria, it is an entire game that took over two months and I feel like I have done more than enough in the game to deserve the win and it would be a shame if you voted just based on that.

Zach

Hello Zach (inlove) I'm very glad I made you proud, I was actually pretty happy of making it here, partly to represent you, losing you was by far the lowest blow in the game for me, as you were also my number one ally, I always considered we had a heavily implied f2 that we just never officialized.

I'm glad that you are not voting for me based on friendship, from the time you left I knew you would be the type of Juror to vote as objectively as possible, and people even kept considering you (and Jenna) a locked vote for me, which actually gave me some trouble but wew I was still able to survive.

Going into your questions now:

As soon as you left, which happened almost right after losing Jenna (since Alex's eviction was the fastforward one) I knew that I was getting pretty cornered and I also knew that I had to move fast or perish, so I do my best to adapt and get closer not only with Ryan and Elsa who I was already aligned with, but I also try to make better bonds with Adrian and James as they were not part of the majority alliance, as well as with Lauren, who had just saved me with the PoV. With this week in particular being survivor, I ended up alienated with everyone but Keegan and Tate, so I knew that I would be safe, and we were voting Keegan out which would've left Tate as the only person not alienated to me, but it would've been almost impossible to figure out they had an idol, thus I lost an ally, but there was nothing I could do about that.

I'm not sure why James nominated me right after, I still believe it was actually a bad move for him, but thanks to my new f2 with Ryan I was saved. Again, not alienated with Tate, I got nominated, and this time I wasn't saved with the PoV, but I managed to convince both James and Ryan (specially the latter, since James actually already was convinced to save me) that Lauren was a bigger threat and that the smart thing was to keep me.

F4 ends up with Ryan winning both HoH and PoV and he sets me free, and then in f3 Tate wins and takes me to f2, like he had promised he would do (and that I would've forced him to promise if he hadn't contacted me first)

To make a long answer short: My adaptation skills are what helped me stay in the game after having lost you.

I feel like while my game depended more on my social game, I also was able to pull strategic moves. Perhaps most clear and recent example was taking Tate to f3 during f4. This forced a f3 in which everyone was taking me to f2. It weakened Ryan's game if I was in f2 with him. And Tate wouldn't be able to claim it as his own, either, considering it was just my idea and he only benefitted from it as a reaction, not as the force that made the move.

But I started with strategic moves from day one. When I made the Forced Alliance for example, while it started as a joke, I knew it would stick at the very least for the first week -- nobody wants to go home first and it was simply a majority vote, and we had majority there. That same week, voting out Jordan over James was also strategic, to prove loyalty to my allies, specially Jenna even when it went against my personal preference (but it wasn't a big loss at all).

Tate was in a position of power during a long time of the Jury phase, thanks to his alliance with Keegan, Ryan, Lauren and Elsa, which in theory would've allowed him to pull more moves. He helped out Keegan to get the idol and got Elsa out. Congrats. You played a huge hand blindsiding a member of your own alliance. Was she a threat in the long term? Possibly, but there was no reason to get her out that early when you could've easily got rid of someone actuually threatening for you, and not someone that was playing with you for a few weeks now. Backdooring Lauren when she was the favorite to win? Yeah that's a big move no one else thought of huh. It could've backfired! Thank god it didn't or it would've been the end of me. His game could've been over at the palm of my own hand, too. But I kept him. You're welcome, Tate.

I feel like in a season in which most of the votes ended up being unanymous or almost unanymous, a social game is more relevant than a strategic game. Anyone would've been able to claim that they are responssible for voting someone out. Can everyone claim that they managed to survive this entire game when they were cornered often thanks to social links? Probably not.

Adrian

Hey Adrian! Nice to see you. Hopefully I'll be able to know more of you after the game, Ally still seems to love you and we just weren't that close over most of the game to really know you. I don't really remember lying to you, but I'll admit I was a bit scummy at times, so I guess you know better.

1) I only had two solid F2s, and only one was actually officialized. My f2s were Zach (not official) and Ryan (official). I was extremely close to Jenna but we never had an official F2, even though I would've gone very far into the game with her if possible. I did not only rely on my social bonds, but they were a major part in my game. I will expand my answer on why it wasn't only a social game in the next few questions.

2) Obviously, physical game is a part of the game, and I completely respect if it's a big deal for you. I just feel, like Sun Tzu used to say, you have to pick your battles wisely. Like I explained at the beginning of my speech, I just had come out of IoS2 being circlejerked out and I needed to focus on other things, and putting a target in my back for being good at challenges (in every other ORG I have played I've been a physical threat, believe it or not) was a bad idea. As I carried on towards the game, it was even less worth it. One of the reasons that influenciated people to keep me when I was cornered, was that I "couldn't" win comps. I did actually try in some competitions, and I actually made it to the top 3 fairly often when I did. A lot of the challenges this season were not something I could try hard at, and they almost always happened to be when I actually was in a position in which I could have spared to win a competition.

In addition, just to compare myself to Tate: he only won 2 competitions. F5 HoH and F3 HoH. F5 HoH was admitedlly one that at the moment I believed that I needeed, but I was able to survive anyways, so I didn't need it. F3 HoH was not needed at all, as I knew regardless of whether Tate or Ryan were the winners, I was making f2.

tl;dr yes, I can understand and respect that you don't like players that don't win competitions, but you have to understand that a lot of my game was based around not wininng them to make it farther into the game.

3) My envelope was definitely a con of my game, not going to lie. Although if you had won the HoH normally, it was also very likely that some of my allies were going to end up nominated. So while it sucked to lose Logan and to almost lose Zach, I would've almost certainly lose either one of them or someone else I was alienated with (most namely Elsa or Ryan) so while it was a con, it wasn't a determinant one. I feel like most of my moves happened either in late game (when I decided to take Tate instead of James like Ryan wanted) or in early game (when I decide to vote out Jordan over James, or when I made the Forced Alliance to save my own ass during the instant eviction) In a season in which a lot of votes were unanymous or almost unanymous, (we literally had 0 ties or "one vote of difference" votes) it's fairly hard to claim that anyone's eviction was truly orchestrated by one person alone. There were very few times in which, without an envelope, the votes' tendency flipped from one player to another, but the times in which I was nominated, I made sure that the tendency was always in my favor.

4) My main regret would have to be not aligning myself with certain key players on the game, such as Alex, Keegan and yourself. I don't regret not winning comps, even if it costs me your vote I firmly believe it was the best for my game. I only lost two F2s, Zach and Ryan, Zach was a low blow and Ryan was at f3, so while it sucked there wasn't much I could do about it when Tate won the HoH, it was him or me. Losing Zach actually forced me into a situation in which I needed to open my horizons which is what brought me all the way here. Losing Ryan literally allowed me to be at f2 so there's that. The only alliance I did not plan to be loyal to was The Forced Alliance, but literally no one expected that alliance to last anyways, and I would've been loyal if people took it seriously, but due to it nature that just wasn't going to happen. If you are still referring to the Late but Great Alliance, lowkey you were the one that wasn't loyal first, as I had expressed I wanted Keegan out over Elsa, but you kept insisting on Elsa and hiding information about the Idol and she went out. If at that point you had said Tate or Lauren, I could've followed, but let's be real: we were not going to agree there anyways. Lauren kept me safe the following week after I promised her my vote, so at that point I really didn't mind if it was you or Keegan going, you were both people that were supposedlly going to work with me but made zero effort to contact me and tell me stuff, plus you were playing a better game than Keegan imo anyways.

5) I honestly don't like speculating that much with these because I don't believe many Jurors have their votes locked before reading the speeches. Could they have a tendency? Probably. I believe that Tate, Zach and Jenna would've been leaning towards voting me to win, without speeches. Could I be wrong? Maybe. I expected to be dragged in these questions and so far everyone has been pretty respectful. It's clear that I had a stronger relationship with both Zach and Jenna than Ryan and plus he played a part in their evictions. Tate literally admitted he'd vote me over Ryan! Was it a strategy? Possibly, but I'm going to stick to believing him, he'd have to be pretty dumb to believe that saying something like that would've actually influenciated Ryan's decision.

6) I have played a way better Social game than him. I have played a slightly worse Physical game than him. I have played a pretty even Strategic game compared to him. And social game was most likely the most important and "unique" thing to have this season, seeing how a lot of the votes were almost unanymous. Tate would've gone home week 4 if it wasn't for his envelope, Lauren would've stayed by a landslide. I did not have a good envelope like he did, but I still managed to easily survive the very same double eviction he was up against, after he nominated me. Tate is standing here right now thanks to me allowing him to make f3.

Keegan

Hello Keegan, I hope you are doing well.

I don't see what's wrong with being a safe nom or a pawn. To reach that status, you have to be someone that "people don't want out" and for that, you do have to have a social game. Goats don't usually make good pawns and they often go home. I never went home.

I was not always a pawn. During week 4, when Tate nominated me, I was a target and he implicitely let me know that. I ruin his plans by campaigning and surviving in a 6-1-0 vote.

During international week, I was obviously the target, since as an outsider I have 0 VL circlejerk while Adrian had a lot of it, I would've gone home in a landslide had I been a final nominee. But after I asked her about her vote, Elsa recapacitated and saved me with the DPoV.

It's very likely I was a pawn during Week 7 and Week 9. Ended up not mattering since in both cases I was able to get people to save me with the PoV.

During week 10, I was once again a target, as people would've originally kept Ryan if he had been a final nominee. The backdoor of Lauren then happens and it could've backfired so easily and sent me home that I can barely count that as a good move on his end, so I'm thanksful I was able to convince Ryan and James to keep me.

Lauren

Hello Lauren! I hope you are doing great!

I guess it depends on who you ask. Adrian for example seems to take it highly in mind. Personally I feel like throwing almost every competition was a good plan for my game, as it allowed me to slide between alliances and people without putting a target on my back for being a "challenge threat". So I hope that the Jury understands that not winning challenge was mostly an strategic decision and not just my lack of skills of doing so (although I'll admit that some of them I would've never won!! dat lipsync!!)

Ryan

Good to see you Ryan, the robbed king of this game.

Things I've

Jenna: I learned a lot about her family and her boyfriend! And even her boyfriend's family. She often stayed over her boyfriend's house, she went to Zumba with her boyfriend's sister, she had a trip to Europe towards the end of her game, mainly to Italy.

Alex: His family was from Mexico and he studied psychology. He was a big survivor and big brother fan, that watched and even rewatched seasons fairly often!

Zach: He participated in a drag queen thing during pride day! He was still in high school but he's planning to go to college (maybe he started already?) in new york to study laws. I tried to play overwatch with him but he didn't have it </3

Elsa: We actually didn't do that much talk about daily life, we talked about other ORGs (EMBB, EMVV, IoS2) and that was about it, since we were in several alliances together and we trusted each other, so we could just jump straight into talking game without making much chit-chat.

Adrian: He's good friends with my friend Ally, who even campaigned for him to stay over Jenna to the point where she ruined my game for no good reason!!! His nickname is Drew and he's a fairly funny person.

Keegan: We actually had a lot of things in common so it's quite a shame we weren't more aligned! We both liked Survivor, The Walking Dead (including the game), American Horror Story, etc. He also worked in a dog's day care.

Lauren: She was still in high school, but she was planning to study either architectural or computer programming when she went to college. The funniest thing was that she often just didn't know what to say and she'd send a selfie of her, it was adorable LOL

James: Just like Keegan I actually had a lot in common with James which made it sadder when I couldn't work with him. We both liked Survivor and Kingdom Hearts, he was actually the number 1 person I went to to talk about Survivor (which is fairly important considering I watched 8 seasons during this ORG LOL) He also played LoL which I'm not a big fan but oh well!

Ryan: We actually didn't do that much chit-chatting either, we trusted each other during the entire game and we often jumped from "how are you" to "hey im good btw let's do this this week". I feel like the meta reasons between each other gave us more than enough ground to carry on without needing to do small talk often. We've talked about EMBB and EMVV, as well as SBBB, but yeah.

Closing Statement:

Hey folks, I don't really have a lot more to say, if you have read my speech and my answers then you know what my game was about. I believe I deserve the win because I had a way better social game than Tate, a slightly better strategical game and a slightly worse physical game (which I ended up not needing at all, just like I planned when I decided to throw basically everything) I know a few of you came with the idea of voting Tate, because a lot of my game happened behind the scenes and some may have even perceived me as a goat, which, I hope that after my speech and answers, it has become clear that I wasn't one at all.

Peace out! See you guys tomorrow! (maybe? I don't know how the results are announced in this ORG)

#hos17

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hos17armageddon · 8 years ago

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Jury Questions

Agustin, Tate, the jurors have gathered and would like to ask you a couple questions about your games this season.

Jenna

tate: why wasn't our final 2 mentioned in your speech?

agu: ur cute can u explain to me in 140 characters (a tweet) why i should vote for you

Alex

Hey guys!

First and foremost, I want to give a huge thank you to the hosting team for putting the season together because I wouldn't have expected to come back and redeem myself after what had happened in my last season so thanks for the second chance, it meant a lot! I also want to say thank you to the cast because you were all awesome and you made this game what it was and I enjoyed every minute of it! Now that I have all that out of the way, I want to get to you two:

Agustin,

I don't think we really did much to each other's games other than basically trying to secure any votes that would be needed but even that in my opinion is a stretch. I think you explained your game pretty well, however as narcissistic as this sounds, I want to vote for someone who I had an effect on in their game if that makes sense, like I want to feel like I played a role in getting the winner to their win so my question for you is: Did I play any role in your game or was I just another face in the crowd for you?

Tate,

You were my Day 1 ride-or-die and you were the person who I was down with from the get-go so to see you there is amazing because you were some I trusted 100% and you helped me get out of some tight spots and because of you, we were able to make the counter-alliance needed to get us to the Jury phase and to get us a good majority in the game. My thing with you was that you had a lot of F2 deals throughout the game and it kinda made me feel some type of way in the Jury because it felt like I could've been an expendable asset for you however I was glad to see that you were true to it being us two at the end if we could've been able to do it so that was a pleasant surprise to see in your Jury Speech. I really don't have a question for you because you pretty much answered it in your speech because I did want to know who was your true F2 deal in this game.

That's all I've got and I just want to wish you two the best of luck in this questioning and at the vote.

Zach

Agus!  I want to start off by saying that I am extremely proud that you made it to final two! You were probably my number one ally, and i’m super glad that although I had to fall, you managed to slither your way to the end! However, as I am a fair player who respects game play and such, my vote is not locked and it won’t be solely based on our friendship.

I will admit that I didn’t see your game at all until the end phase of the game (and reading your jury speech). Until the light was revealed (other words… I understood your game), I was rooting for you purely as a friend, not a player. However, multiple jurors brought up the fact that you were vetoed multiple times, which implied that you had a social game.

So, with that being said, my first question to you is how did you manage to prolong your life in the game after my eviction? I realize you had Ryan and Elsa with you, but elaborate on how you slithered your way into the majority alliance and managed to make it all the way to the end. I’m very interested, and impressed.

Now, before reading either speech, I figured just off my knowledge that you played a more social game, and Tate played a more strategic game. Whether this is true or not, I want you to explain why you are more deserving than Tate in the strategic field. I’m not saying that strategic is necessarily better than being social, but I want your thoughts as to why you’re more deserving than Tate.

That’s it! I wish you the best of luck, and i’m glad that we became friends during this and that I am proud of you, regardless of what the result may be.

Tate!

I want to start off by saying that my exit speech regarding social game was not applicable towards you. If anything, you were more near the top of of the list of people I respected.

After reading your speech, i’m intrigued by your level of gameplay. Am I shocked? Not necessarily. It was quite blatant that you were one of the biggest contenders to win from even before my eviction. I wanted you and Keegan out as I felt like you two were running the show. But that being said, although your strategic game seems to be excellent, your social game, at least to me, lacked a bit. By this, i’m referring to the fact that we never really talked at all during the game. I understand communication is a two way street, and that it may be my fault too, but a social game can be critical to winning, and you’re the one at the end, not me.

This leads me to my first question. What makes your game stronger than Agus’? You can take into account any aspect, but I want a semi-detailed response on why you think your game is stronger in any suit of gameplay. In addition, what was the sole indicator as to why you took Agus to the end, and not Ryan?

Now, I am also a little curious about my eviction. I never really talked with Keegan about it, but I want to know your perspective on it. You mentioned in your speech that I was an “all-around threat”, so elaborate. Why was I evicted? What made you evict me over James? — I would like to also mention that I am not bitter, nor mad one bit, I just am purely curious.

And with that, i’m done! I want to congratulate you on making it to final two, and that it was a pleasure meeting you! I wish you the best of luck!

Adrian

Hey boys, congratulations on making it to the Final 2, its not an easy task and really commend you both for having excellent social games to really navigate these tough waters.

That being said, I think the pleasantries are over and I need to dig in to the meat cause the appetizers that were your speeches left me wanting more, and really seeing the jury house claiming that they want to vote each of you because you mentioned them in their speech more or that you lacked in mentioning them is really pathetic.

So, lets begin with Agus.

You have a way with words, lemme tell you that. You really magnified your game quite a bit and it left me seeing clearly on how you managed to play this game with little to no blood on your hands since you won absolutely nothing. But you did it. I'm really impressed, but I need more than smooth talking for you to grab my vote. So I have some questions for you, and I hope you don't lie to my face again when answering these cause that would be really pitiful- since you lied to me pretty much the entire game.

1. Did you only rely on your social bonds to get you through the game? Cause you mentioned multiple F2s with many different people, and they kept getting shot down one by one.

2. Has it come to your mind that you might be scrutinized for having no competitions as you kept throwing them left and right? You can see for someone like me that respects people with a physical game where I am despised with this aspect of your game correct?

3. Did you actually captain any moves? Like did you make any impactful decisions? The only notable thing that you have done was through the power of your Envelope, and even that wasn't really good for you since you had your F2 at the time nominated. And he was gonna go home, had Logan not used that Rose Gold Veto.

4. What was one thing that you regret playing this game? Not winning comps? Losing so many F2s? Making alliances that you planned on never being loyal to?

5. If Ryan had taken you to the end, who did you honestly think would vote for you?

6. Finally, please make a final plea on why you deserve my vote over Tate. Appease me.

Keegan

Agus: you mention that you used your "amazing" social game to get vetoed or saved a lot. To me, this says people nominated you because you were expendable. It's not exactly a great game if everyone is using you as the "safe" nom to try to backdoor others. From my point of view, you constantly being nommed and vetoed says far more about others people games than yours. You were just a pawn used by others to get bigger threats out. Why should I not believe that?

Tate: tbh I can't think of a question to ask you. I loved our secret little alliance we had and I'm sad it didn't get us both to the end. But I think you played a very strong, smart game. Good luck!

Lauren

tate: was evicting me the correct move in your opinion? agus: do you think not winning any comps disproves a part of your win equity?

We will provide any jury questions directly to you if we get them but at the moment this is what we have, your answers and closing statements will be due tomorrow August 15th at 9PM EST

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Tate’s Opening Statement

Whew! What a season. I've had a great time playing this game and I just wanted to quickly thank the hosts for putting on such a great game. I'll try to keep this as short as possible, but there were so many things going on that I can't wait to talk about. My basic strategy when it comes to ORGS is to 1: Make friends early. 2: wiggle my way into a majority alliance 3: Win comps late into the game. I think I followed that game plan fairly well.

My pre-jury game was super UTR. My goal was to stay out of the spotlight and make bonds with people that I saw as real movers and shakers in this game. I quickly formed solid relationships with Jenna, Alex and Ryan. Nothing really happened until double eviction week. So after Elsa nominated me, obviously my envelope saved me this week. It can be argued that I might have stayed without it by winning the veto or getting the votes to stay, but the envelope did play into my favor. One key thing that I did was I used this as a chance to get close to Elsa. I could've nominated her at two points that week, but I saw her potential and I wanted her on my side.

Trail nomination week was when I started to really make things happen. Adrian told me he wanted to target Alex and Elsa. Those were 2 people that I was working with, so I HAD to do something. I quickly messaged Alex/Ryan/Keegan/Elsa/Lauren and told them what was going on. This was the birth of "The Leftovers Alliance". Once I switched up the nominations it left Logan and Zach on the block, and the Leftovers had a majority in this game.

The next few weeks it was mostly the majority alliance working together. During UK week, I got lot's of people from the Facebook ORG community to vote out Jenna. My reasoning was even tho I had a good relationship with Jenna, Adrian was such a good meat shield for me moving forward. I had to keep him in the game. Jenna was also such a strong social player that I was really scared of the damage she could do. So this public vote worked into my favor. The Lightning round kinda sucked because I was going to lose someone I was very close with no matter what. Losing my final 2 partner (Alex) made me have to go out and find new people to work with. Lauren and Keegan became those people. Lauren was great for me because she had insight into the game that I didn't. And Keegan was so loyal, a perfect partner to go deep into the game with.

During Keegan's HoH we knew it was best to get out Zach because he was a total all around threat. We had a plan and Keegan got it done!

Survivor week was HUGE for my game. At the Auction I found 2 clues to the idol. Keegan found a third clue there too. So with our 3 clues, Keegan was able to find the idol almost instantly. Everyone was telling me that the vote was Keegan that week, and I wasn't ready to lose Keegan just yet. I told him to play the idol on himself. We decided to idol out Elsa because we thought she was in the best position out of anyone. She had friends on both sides of the house. This was a great opportunity to send her home. I told Keegan I was going to vote with the group to try to keep my bonds with them strong. That turned out to be a great idea because the envelope that made the votes public showed that I voted with the majority!

The Adrian vote was pretty straightforward, everyone was on board.

I lost Keegan the next week while I was on vacation and could't compete.

At final 5 I knew I had to stop throwing comps and get myself to the end. I won f5 HoH. I honestly saw ways for me to get to the finale no matter who went home this week. My only goal this week was to flush Ryan's envelope. Obviously that didn't pan out but I was still able to make a move. Ryan was my initial target, but he beasted that veto comp. So I had to do plan B, Backdoor Lauren. I decided on this because I knew Lauren would be mad at me for evicting her. I had been creating this persona for a few weeks that the jury was going to be super bitter towards me. Backdooring Lauren only added to that persona. Lauren was also a player I was scared of going up against in a final 2. I was confident that my game would beat Agustin or James'.

Final 4, I knew it was in Agustin's best interest in keeping me because James was perceived as a goat. If he voted out James, he would be 2 against 1 in the final 3. Compared to if he saved me, both Ryan and I would probably take him. So this is why my plan to backdoor Lauren at f5 and keep Agustin played off.

I won the final HoH and took out Ryan. Ryan played the best all-around game imo. He won comps, was never nominated post jury. Had a decent social game with everyone. He never had to rely on his envelope, the list goes on. And now here we are.

Compared to Agustin I won more comps and had way more influence in how the game unfolded. While we both relied on other people at times, there were multiple times where I was able to steer the entire game exactly in the direction I wanted to go. The two obvious downsides to my game were that I got "saved" by my envelope (I had no control over whether it affected me or not so) and that my social game with some people wasn't the strongest (Zach). All in all, I think I played a game that deserves the win.

Thanks for reading this wall of text! I can't wait to answer any jury questions!

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hos17armageddon · 8 years ago

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Agustin’s Opening Statement

Greetings everyone! Wew, what a season! First off I'd like to congratulate Tate on making final 2. I'd also like to thank and congratulate Steffen, Dan and Owen for a great season, you were amazing hosts!

To start off my speech, I feel like it would be interesting to tell you guys how I felt before entering the game, since I believe it's something that impacted my entire game one way or another. Basically, I had just come out of Island of Shade 2, in which I basically got circlejerked out of the game, considering I was actually having a good game but people still wouldn't work with me because I was an outsider and I got voted out at the first tribal I was in. In addition to this, I headed into this game knowing that there would be a certain period in which I was going to be pretty busy and not be able to dedicate that much time to this.

Knowing these two things, I feel like I can explain my early game better. Basically, what I needed to do, more than ever, is to make strong bonds with the house. As soon as the game started, I made good bonds with Elsa and Ryan, and within a matter of minutes we made the Lucid Alliance, which would be a very important alliance to me during the entire game. But I wasn't going to settle with that, and I immediately started bonding with most people. During that first night, once it was announced that someone would be voted out in a day, I panicked, I could see myself leaving. So, halfway as a joke, halfway as a resource, I created the Forced Alliance, consisting of a literal majority of the house, CharA, Jenna, Keegan, Lauren, Logan, Kage, Ryan, Elsa and I may be missing one or two more people. The decision is soon made to vote out Dylan, and we follow. During that day I have my small fight with him, and while it ended up being irrelevant, I convinced Jordan, one of the people he threw under the bus, to vote Dylan out with us, while he initially would've voted me out. During the James vs Jordan vote, I wanted to vote out James because I heard he was the second vote on me (first being Dylan) but I strategically decide to vote out Jordan, in order to ensure my loyalty to my allies. I believe I would've been able to change the flow of this vote if I wanted to, but I didn't want to seem like I was overplaying. I did mention it to a few people, however.

During these first few weeks, my main focus was to make bonds, more importantly with Ryan, Elsa, Jenna and Logan. Soon after talking with Jenna, once the Forced Alliance starts falling due to people moving on with their games, we decide to form another alliance: Ohana. It consisted of the two of us, Elsa (invited by me), Zach (invited by Jenna) and Adrian (invited by Jenna). While at the time I still was more looking forward to honoring the Lucid Alliance, I have to admit I was a bit wary of Ryan -- unlike Elsa and myself, he was not an almost complete stranger to the community, so while I trusted him I didn't want to make my entire game depend on him.

During week 2, James was leading by far the HoH competition, and considering before I had told a few people -- when I still wasn't sure of who to trust -- that I had voted him out, I decide to start working on him ASAP, talking to him and stuff and well he simply told me I wasn't getting nominated if he won, which was a good thing. While the Ohana alliance worked out at first, we soon found out that Adrian leaked it to Ryan and when he fell nominated alongside Jenna, the logical thing was to get him out. We make Ohana 2.0 soon after, with just the other four. These alliances made me grow really close to Zach as well, who would be a great help to my game.

Initially, I had no need of winning competitions. I was in a pretty solid position socially, with several alliances protecting me, so I decided to throw every challenge for a while. Although admittedly, there were a few people that I had little to none contact, and this soon ends up backfiring on me during Week 4, when Tate ends up as one of the HoHs during the Double Eviction week and he decided to nominate me after the PoV. I have to admit I initially freaked out a bit which is what led me into opening my envelope, which didn't help my case at all. However I managed to get people to save me, staying almost unanimously, with everyone but one person saving me.

During week 5, thanks to my own envelope, the trial nominations happened, and Adrian, who had just got back with buyback, managed to win the HoH. While I knew I would most likely be safe this week, I also knew that it was very likely I would lose a close ally here, as whether it went to the side of Ryan and Elsa or the side of Jenna and Zach, it could go wrong. I ended up passing it to Jenna who told me she was passing it to Tate, who was passing it to Zach and who was passing it to Elsa. This didn't happen, Tate sent it to someone else and I lowkey panicked a bit. "Luckily" it ends up ending with Zach and Logan nominated. I loved Logan and I would've loved him to stay but there was no way I was voting out one of my closest allies, Zach. Thankfully for me, Logan was the one sent home and Zach managed to stay.

Week 6 was another tough blow, but it was also a week in which I learned a lot. I fall nominated during the International Week section, which clearly meant something: My social game was starting to be lackluster. Once I fell nominated with everyone's but two people's votes, knowing that Jenna and Adrian had auto-nominated and that Zach was basically becoming my f2, it meant that one out of Ryan or Elsa had voted me for nomination. So I go to the Lucid Alliance and ask them about it. Elsa later admitted that she was the one that placed a vote for me, because she felt people would use the diamond PoV on me. Whether or not she actually believed that ended up being irrelevant, as then SHE won the DPoV and saved me, putting Jenna in my place. Sadly, I lost Jenna, one of my closest allies here, but if I had been a final nominee I would've been evicted against anyone, so it was a bittersweet ending. During week 6 we also had the flashforward week, in which my heavily implied f2 was HoH, meaning I was safe.

During week 7, thanks to last week, I was aware that there was a majority alliance formed by Tate/Lauren/Keegan/Ryan/Elsa. Sadly, Keegan becomes HoH and he nominates James and me. I managed to convince Lauren to use the PoV on me, which was good, but sadly the renominated person ended up being Zach, and even sadder, he ends up going home. As this point I had lost my main two allies, one after the other, Jenna and Zach. My other allies still in the house were most notoriously Elsa and Ryan, but they were part of the majority alliance. This led me to form The late but great alliance, formed by James, Adrian and me. During Survivor Week, however I ended up aligning more with Elsa and Ryan again, and we decide to target Keegan. Sadly, he used his Idol and Elsa went home. This eviction helped me a lot though, with Zach, my f2, gone and with Elsa, his f2, also gone, this led into me asking him an obvious pact in the Lucid Alliance: Let's f2 each other! And so we did. This new f2 soon proved it was good: I fell nominated during James' HoH and Ryan saved me with the PoV, and we were able to evict Keegan, a big challenge threat. During week 10, once Tate won HoH, I decide to fake a small freak-out by calling out that Tate was going to nominate me and James. I'm sure this is something that caused him to rethink things, as he ended up nomming me with Ryan instead. Luckily, Ryan saves himself and Lauren ends up being nominated. I felt like the plan at that point was to eliminate Lauren, and it goes that way, after I managed to campaign to both Ryan and James to keep me.

Finally, near the end, during f4, Ryan wins both HoH and PoV and keeps me safe. He wanted me to take James to f3, but I had other plans. I have to say, having Tate begging me to take him to f3 was one of the most satisfying things in this entire game! And, worth mentioning I had already pretty much decided to take him, I do go along with it. Why? Because this forced a f3 in which I was getting taken to f2 no matter what, instead of an f3 in which Ryan was taken to f2 no matter what. Tate promised me f2, so he was taking me. Ryan also would've respected our f2 and would've taken me. I did this fully knowing that Tate was a harder foe to beat in f2 than James, so this is the time where this move may backfire, but it gave me a bigger chance of making f2, and with me having used my power to care about my game mostly. Had Tate not contacted me to take him to f3, I would've personally contacted him to let him know more or less what was going on, and trying to force him into promising to take me to f2. This move also allowed me to take a hit at Ryan's game, which would've been useful if I ended up in f2 with him. F3, Tate ends up winning and taking me to f2, just like it was going to be.

That's basically my story and I know, it was quite long, but I felt like explaining my entire game was the best way of doing this.

Notable things:

-I managed to convince people to save me with the PoV several times, proving my solid social game. -Even the times I was not saved; I was able to survive the vote with a wide margin. 6-1-0 against Ashley Sarah and Steven, 2-0 against Lauren. -I got cornered in this game several times, yet I always managed to get away from that corner and I made it all the way to f2. -I often made my own moves and had my own agenda. -I had several allies and people I aligned with thorough the game. -I didn't win a single competition, throwing most of them and the ones I didn't throw ended up being partly irrelevant, seeing how I made it this far anyways. -I was almost always honest, telling people when I was voting them out (if they reached out to me anyways) and without blindsides, except for James at f4. -I had an amazing early game, which allowed me to survive the entire game.

Sorry this went on for so long! I hope you guys aren't just going to not vote me because of a long speech (tmi) I look forward to your questions, feel free to drag me, I will answer everything, etc.

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