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[jasontoddsno1simp]

Nope, that was Bruce

Okay but did Alfred teach Jason how to shoot a gun

Because I’m like

So sure he did

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DC literally did this with Cheer. That was literally the fucking point of Cheer. It is insane to me that JT fans are the ones who get accused of not reading comics but people will say this with their whole chest.

I'm sorry, WHAT?

Firstly, Jason already knows this. What makes you think Jason, the kid who was a THIEF out of NECESSITY, whose father was a criminal to SUPPORT HIS FAMILY, doesn't know that "sometimes criminals have no choice"? Yeah no fucking shit.

Second, that IS what DC has been doing. All they've been doing is misinterpret Jason's morality and try to teach him 'the value of human life!!' and 'criminals can be redeemed!!' as if that's what his ideology was opposed to.

Jason Todd how misunderstood you are..

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Ya know, I usually like to stay out of these types of discussions because I'm a big ol faggot who shamelessly rubs her grubby mitts all over everything, but like...

I don't think some of you realize that "this does not have a heterosexual explanation" also includes platonic relationships and dynamics.

And that's distressing to me.

Because yeah, a lot of people are saying that with romantic/sexual intentions in their heart, but sometimes?! Sometimes, two people are just gay af and that's a key component to their friendship. Knowing you have someone there who understands you on an intrinsic level that most other people don't?! Someone you can share parts of yourself with that most other people don't see?! Someone who you can be wholly yourself with without fear of judgement?!

Yeah bitch, that's gay af!! And it's platonic af!!

It's both/and in this, household!!

[jasontoddsno1simp]

Idk maybe the issue isn't evil fanon (as in non-canon headcanons circulating and wildly spread into fandom space) infiltrating canon, maybe it's that fandom spaces like Tumblr and ao3 should not be the primary source of info for creators to continue developing their work.

Like, fanwork is transformative work. I can write my canon compliant fic and have fun, but at the end of the day, it's important to have the ability and freedom to write the assassin selling cupcakes and lattes in a coffee shop and the coffee shop barista killing people with a gun. I can be as wrong as I want about my characterization, and I can be as misinformed about the source media as I want, because at the end of the day i'm a loser with a full-time job and plastic plants to water who is still dedicating a good bunch of my time to creating more fun content inspired by the fandom to share with other fandom members for free, for fun, because we're enjoying stuff together. But also, it's legitimate to sigh in despair when I see that my comic book assassin is suddenly baking cookies in the new issue with no explanation and wrangling the coffee machine with not a worry in the world.

And the issue isn't that the comics are written by people who exist in fan spaces and are exposed to non-canon accurate headcanons and popular fanon tropes. The issue is that comic writers are in fact payed to perpetuate the legacy of characters older than their own fucking age and they do owe us to read the bare minimum of those characters comics and bio and have the discernment of not treating tumblr like a credible source.

I understand that everybody makes mistakes, and I'm doing anger management breathing exercises like a mature adult about it, but still. Anyway, point is I heavily encourage you to direct your frustration at the people responsible for it.

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Streets are saying it's Jaybin and I rly don't give a fuck if it's not. I'm claiming it!!

via dan moras insta

WHO IS THIS???????? im not reading this comic so i have no idea whats going on 😭 but i saw an older robin with him so is it time travel and this is young dg or is this jay/tim/someone else completely?

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Also can I just point out that there's NOTHING to indicate that Jason and Helena are gonna fuck? The term "sexy" was used to describe the pulp-noir vibe of the comic. Not Helena. Not Jason. Some of you can't read

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Cannot believe this needs to be said or even laid out but apparently it does. Jason Todd is not real. He’s lines. None of his superpowers include a misogyny ray. What jason Todd is, is a fictional character who has been written by misogynistic men who have also terribly botched some prominent, amazing female characters. Chief example of this is Scott Lobdell’s writing of starfire in rhato. Scott Lobdell, known sexual harasser Scott Lobdell. heinous guy by all accounts.

Think for two seconds about why it’s abysmally transmisogynistic to imply that just by virtue of being in this comic written by Gretchen Felker-Martin, Helena Bertinelli will undergo similar horrible misogynist writing. Think.

and think too. the comic is unreleased. We have an official blurb that doesn’t even mention Helena, and we have a couple of ship bait covers. That’s it. Get a grip.

Don’t participate in comics fandom misogyny and hate that’s literally only happening because a woman’s writing a red hood solo and she dared to put huntress in her comic.

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I really do feel for Gretchen Felker-Martin.

She's new to the industry and has just inherited a character who, due to extremely recent editorial decisions beyond her control, is going to put her on such an extreme backfoot.

She didn't write Hush 2, Loeb did. She isn't writing that fffuuucking Jason Todd solo, Jeff Lemire is.

She isn't responsible for the fucked history that Helena Bertinelli carries, in most ways imo Denny O'Neil and Chuck Dixon are.

And tbh, I'm catching some Vibes on reddit that remind me of when Sophie Campbell landed the gig on Supergirl, which imo is made worse by DC refusing to promote Campbell's massive history with the Ninja Turtles, presenting her as some random nobody when... sis she was the lead writer for one of the biggest comics franchises around for a few years lol.

My point here being, there's a whiff of "anti-DEI" nerd boy bullshit around the reddit discourse that has me hackles up.

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As per my lrb + taken from my > RIVER comments:

“To Jason’s mind, Gotham wants blood. The DC audience wants blood (a reflection of his death in the vote). He meanwhile wants to ensure that it’s the blood of rapists + mob enforcers + kidnappers rather than rape victims + civilians brutalised by the mob + kidnapped kids. For right or wrong, this is the framework he builds from his trauma + the perception that nothing seems to improve in the DC universe. There will always be harm, so he wants to control who is hurt.”

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Crowbar as a symbol of Jason trying to get over his trauma is really dumb because Jason is great at disregarding his trauma. Red Hood’s whole origin story is basically— who gives a shit if a bomb is what killed me? Its practicality as a weapon trumps that. Who gives a shit if Red Hood is the former mantle of my murderer? The message it sends trumps that.

In the end even Bruce understands— who gives a shit what gestures he can point to as evidence of his love and grief? The lack of material change trumps that.

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I'm ready to be crucified for this but the way some of y'all are talking about Gretchen and making up lies about her "prohibiting Kelly from using Helena in BoP" when Gretchen wasn't even working for DC when Kelly chose her roster is giving transmisogyny. It's giving "protecting (real) women who ACTUALLY deserve their jobs/positions" and you need a fucking wake up call

[jasontoddsno1simp]

Jason Todd in Titans: Titans Together #4 - “Career Day” (2020)

written by Phil Hester art by Scott Koblish & John Kalisz

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I love him but yes, he did some of that ( <- nuance for when your fav had a villain era and you do love some of the bad things he did but others were really bad writing)

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the day that people stop simplifying jason’s ideologies to the death penalty and punitive justice is the day i find peace

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If I haven't said it enough I hate it here

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didn’t that ship already sail before Jason died tho? With the diplomats son and really the entire Starlin 🏃‍♂️

So I'm going to answer this, but before I do, I want to note that this is kind of derailing from my original point. I don't meant this to be a gotcha or anything because I know I do it myself all the time, but my argument was that "Jason was a bad kid" stories are boring and narratively stagnant, and in that vein it...kind of doesn't matter what canon does or doesn't say? I think we take refuge in "canon says this" or "canon says that" because we want to be objectively right, whereas "bad kid Jason stories are boring" is an aesthetic assessment and therefore subjective. Maybe someone out there loves "bad kid becomes bad adult" and finds it riveting.

Ultimately, despite being a huge nerd who loves continuity, I think a good story is more important than canon accuracy. Of course, ideally you have both, but also...takes on characters shift over the decades, and I have been trying to catch myself in those moments when I push my little metaphorical glasses up my nose and say "Well actually if you look at this comic from 1987, you'll find that..." So this is me, catching myself!

That said, I am absolutely going to talk about comics from 1987 now. Anyway the short answer is: yes and no.

(God that was an annoying response. I'm so sorry I'm like this. In my defense, I've been thinking about this ask all day.)

Anyway. The thing is, the way DC writes Robin!Jason now, they really only take a very small number of stories into account. Some writers are just looking at A Death in the Family; others might also acknowledge Jason's post-Crisis origin and/or the Felipe Garzonas story. A lot of them seem to be relying solely on distant memories of those stories, or osmosis; they certainly aren't doing a close reading of the text.

There's also a game of telephone that happens: from the instant Tim first showed up, DC started writing Jason as Fundamentally Unfit To Be Robin. See, if Bruce gets a child killed and then immediately enlists another one, he's irredeemable. But if Jason's death was due to some fundamental flaw in his own nature, a flaw that Tim does not possess, then Jason's death isn't Bruce's fault, and we can keep having Robin. It's really fascinating reading early Tim comics and watching this retcon play out in real time. (And particularly interesting because Tim is so specifically designed to be Just Like You, Tween Boy Reading This!) And that idea has really metastasized over the years when it's not super present in Jason's actual appearances.

So in a way, yes, the ship has sailed, because it doesn't actually matter what Jason was really like - it matters what the people writing and editing today's comics think he was like. And this is what they're basing that characterization on.

On the other hand...this is an ongoing universe, so no ship has truly sailed. When I got into comics, the saying was that "no one stays dead in comics except Jason Todd and Bucky Barnes." You see how well that worked out. Things change.

All it takes is one really good writer looking thoughtfully at Jason's time as Robin and realizing that even Starlin didn't write Jason the way people remember him. Like, in Death in the Family? Jason is not benched because he's too violent. Bruce is mad that he's reckless, but in the opening scene he literally thinks that he'll "let Jason work his aggression out" on the guys they're fighting (who, for the record, are child pornographers, so it's not like Jason is beating up relatively harmless muggers). That is not the reaction of someone who thinks Jason is out of control. In Jason's origin, Jason is angry because Two-Face killed his father - again, a very reasonable thing to be angry about! - but even though he's extremely upset and also only 12 years old, he makes the decision not to kill Two-Face. Again, not the actions of someone who is out of control. (And for the record, how many times has Dick nearly killed Tony Zucco?) And the Felipe Garzonas story is supposed to be ambiguous. We don't know that Jason killed him! (I mean, I think he did, but technically we don't know.)

All it takes is one really good writer recognizing that this handful of stories is a very small percentage of Jason's appearances, most of which were not necessarily retconned out by Crisis except for the ones that were directly contradicted by later stories. Yes, Jason's parents being circus acrobats who were eaten by crocodiles is no longer canon, but that doesn't mean Jason wanting to be in the school play or doing extra credit for fun isn't canon.

All it takes is one really good writer recognizing that at the same time that Starlin was writing his reckless, surly Jason in Batman, Mike Barr and Alan Davis had the sweetest little bean of a boy making Batman '66-style puns and ordering milk in bars in Detective Comics.

All it takes is one really good writer recognizing that most 15-year-olds are surly and reckless, and that's not a reason to condemn them.

I don't know if we'll ever get a writer who does any of that, but there's plenty of material for them to draw from if we do. And at least it wouldn't be the same story we keep getting over and over again, which was my original complaint.

So...here's hoping!

[jasontoddsno1simp]

Sweetie…

I think you’re in the wrong place.

I’m actually discussing what happened in the comics, not RPing some bogus ass scenario that is patently untrue. If you can’t engage with what I’m saying without resorting to sensationalist moralizing or outright lying, I’m going to have to ask you to leave!!

"Jason should've ducked!!"

Yeah, and your mom should've swallowed. What's your fucking point?!