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I'll never understand people who think Archie is bad and IDW is good because IDW has the same writers and artists as later Archie Sonic it's the same cake with different coloured icing

To a degree, but the difference is actually that Sega is much more strict about IDW and pretty much puts a chokehold (as far as I know) on both the writers and artists making that series, allowing for way less creative freedom.

There's a reason I specify that I'm writing Archie Shadow in Infested. He is much, much different in there than in IDW. Ian Flynn was definitely having way more fun writing the guy back when he was unfettered in doing so vs now when Shadow has ten million mandates attached to writing him.

While anyone could bring up the original mandates for Sonic specifically (Sonic can't cry/lose/etc), I would say that even then, Sega was a lot less micromanage-y about it. Still micromanage-y (RIP Shard)! But less. If they want IDW to reach the highest highs that Archie was able to achieve, they need to loosen up. Let go of the status quo. Allow for more serious world-building.

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Hey: random fact

Do you know the famous slap of sally and sonic in archie? welp, in reality the writer NEVER write that sally must slap sonic, the artist just hated see sonic and sally togueter being a sonamy fan and just make the slap just to make everyone hate on sally.

Big bruh moment.

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Hey: random fact

Do you know the famous slap of sally and sonic in archie? welp, in reality the writer NEVER write that sally must slap sonic, the artist just hated see sonic and sally togueter being a sonamy fan and just make the slap just to make everyone hate on sally.

Big bruh moment.

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I agree that Amy shouldn't hit Sonic with her hammer but it's far from an abusive relationship. Glad SEGA stop making her do it though.

“Far from an abusive relationship”?

Ok, we all know that Amy used to be… kinda toxic.

There’s plenty of examples. For one, she yelled at Cosmo, a stranger, for wanting to speak to Sonic with no context to the point Cream finds it necessary to hold her back. Another time she forced Cream to train with her in order to lose weight in order to appeal to Sonic more, as if he was into thinner women. She also wears her main outfit mostly because Amy believes Sonic may find it attractive. She follows Sonic most of the time with him being the main source of motivation for her to do anything. 

And then she attempts to threaten him into a marriage, beating him up once he declines. She is seen trying to manipulate Sonic into dates multiple times even though it makes Sonic uncomfortable. Also she attempted to incite jealousy from Sonic by pretending she had another boyfriend.

In the Archie Comics Amy is seen defending Sonic and Sally during their date, leaning onto her hammer once done and muttering, ‘Sonic will be mine one day. Until then I just want him to be happy.’, implying that she doesn’t care about Sally’s happiness despite the fact that they’re friends. Might be reading too deeply though. It’s a rare case where she actually does care for Sonic’s happiness though rather than her own.

Aaandd… Amy is delusional. A good example is this episode. Never before have I had this much of an urge to yell at my TV.

If we’re talking about modern Amy, she is manipulative and violent towards anyone in her way, especially in the way of her relationship with Sonic. There  is more examples of her being terrible that I omitted because I’ve wasted enough time.

But yeah, Modern Amy has come a long way since her earlier incarnations. While it’s difficult for me personally to forgive her I’m glad she’s going a better route now and I am happy for her fans, too.

Prolly gonna get hate for this but I just needed to get this out of my system. Don’t worry, I can pick characters like Sally apart in a similar fashion if you want.

- Mod RaY

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Funny

I find funny that people get berserked when they say someone say SONADOW CANON but when there is a amy and sonic doing something trivial togueter, nothing romantic, they are like OMG SONAMY CANON YAY! like make your own godamnmind lol

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Unopopular opinion that I am gonna get murdered:

they are making sonic more friendly with amy for no reason when in past games he was always running away from her and just for shipping porpuse, and for no reason they make shadow more mean and sonic literally being mean to him aswell when sonic and shadow, even if they are rival, they are friends that are show in the games and sonic always cheer up shadow and doesnt even make fun of his past. for some reason they are making them more mean to each other when they were show to have respect and friends to each other. they are changing the relationship of shadow and sonic to just favorite the sonamy ship? I dont know.

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Why kate is in contact with Kotaku

Okay, so I have a question, because I’m seriously confused. SEGA blacklisted kotaku, right? Like, officially? no early game copies, no interviews, no access to inside info? they cut them off. that’s the whole point of a blakklist. It’s not a "maybe" thing, it’s a "this is over" thing.

So then… why is Katie, a SEGA employee, apparently in contact with Kotaku?

I mean- Why kate is in contanct with someone that leaks games before the release of them when is well know it is illegal?

SEGA cut off kotaku because of leaks, bad press, whatever. That means no official insider info is supposed to reach them. If you work at SEGA, you’re not supposed to be sharing anything with them. period.

she’s literally part of the company. That means she should be, you know, following company policies? Unless she’s acting rogue, which is a whole other mess.

Kotaku, besides the leaks, he threatedd with death threats, using one of their employes, nintendo because he simply he doesnt get a free game of legend of zelda: tears of the kingdom???

So what’s the deal here? Is katie just being reckless?

if the last one is true, then yikes. Like, Katie make the murder of sonic sinphony withouth the permission of sega and she is still working??? What are segas rules anyway???

and lets not mention the situation with Rafaknight in twitter. that is another whole mess that has to do with katie too.

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Both sides need actual problems fr

Lol yeah. But missinformation spread like a wildfire so why not talk about it

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Btw the idw comics are canon it's literally been confirmed

And ian sayed they are a inspiration and separate continuitys, besides the narrative doesnt even follow the canon rules of sonic universe and many plot holes created because of that. The fans have the right to cuestion the canonicy of a material if this has this many errors on the narrative and continuity

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And someone sayed that the japanese branch doesnt have importance in the sonic chornology and to be honest that make me chuckle

"IDW comics of sonic are canon!"

no. hell no. why? literally it has a continuity wrong issues and the writting is literally not good. besides is like they didnt even remember some rules about sonics universe so why it should be canon in the first place?

1.- Blaze traveling with the sol esmelads

First of all, why the heck blaze could by her own travel the dimensions when it was stabilize that she can travel only by the will of the esmerals themselves. and not only that, but requiere the 14 ESMERALDS to do it. They make that rule in sonics rush. so why so suddenly blaze could be traspassing the dimension of the universe like some game or travel?

not only that, but even if she can do it on her own, why it doesnt affect the esmerald of sonics world when it was stablished that the sol and chaos esmeralds cant coexist in a same dimension or universe? Blaze not only is bein careless, she is being a like dangerous threat to all the universe of sonic. Why the chaos esmeralds arent affected by the presence of the sol esmeralds? or even the master esmeralds itself?

what the hell ian.

2.- Sonic thinks that eggman need a second chance or come around"

Sonic, buddy. Are you serious right now? are you like in love with eggman or what. literally, eggman spread a fricking virus to all the world, make gods to literally doom all the existence. make a friking god of the time to try to erase the timeline the replace it with one with pure evilness. Literally destroyed the moon that for some reason the ocean didnt get affected by it. AND YOU THINK THAT HE NEED TO COME AROUND OR JUST GET A CLUE?! in the games, sonic is aware that eggman is incapable of redemption and even in the ask of questions on the japanese side of sonic he knows that fact.

3.- Sonic gaslight shadow on using his trauma to guiltrip him.

what kind of sonic is this? why the hell would you use someones trauma to just win a argument and to make everyone see that "everyone is stupid expect me!"? In sonic battle, sonic reminds shadow he is hero when the emerl situation was happening and dont use shadows trauma to just try to win a argument, but to make shadow UNDERSTAND why they had to not destroy emerl. good job, sonic of idw. You make not only that a virus expanded by your selfiness, but you even argue with espio using excuses to justificate why you did what you did because "it was for the good". what good, sonic? I see more like someone who is trying to push someones narrative into another persons to try to win that they are in the correct side of the side.

Isnt that a little contradictory of your message of freedom, honey? No wonder why surge hates your guts so bad.

4.-Amy is just a sally 2.0

Seriosly, I am not saying that that change is just bad. Is just... why? in the games, amy is just show to motivate the other to do their best and inspirate other with her love. Her LOVE, even if it was a little creepy in the beginning of sonic, was a central thing of her character. the message of amy it was that even in the darkness time, there was a light in the end of the tunnel. nothing has a end, so you have a chance to change for the better like she did with shadow when he was about to destroy the earth. Where all that characters development when where she is suddenly a "leader" or planning things to carry fundamental elements? is like one day she was like "I love you sonic, and everyone too!" to "I love sonic, but whatever, we need to focus on the mission on hand first"

I guess the fans that were mad about amy being a creep had their results here.

there is so much more, but remember: Ian is not the maximous authority of sega. and like everyone human being, he has his faults.

read the next document. I dont know who is the author, but basically it sayed all was is wrong with idw sonic:

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That is correct. The problem that many people believed that the events of the comics happened in the games when there are many evidences that is not the case at all

"IDW comics of sonic are canon!"

no. hell no. why? literally it has a continuity wrong issues and the writting is literally not good. besides is like they didnt even remember some rules about sonics universe so why it should be canon in the first place?

1.- Blaze traveling with the sol esmelads

First of all, why the heck blaze could by her own travel the dimensions when it was stabilize that she can travel only by the will of the esmerals themselves. and not only that, but requiere the 14 ESMERALDS to do it. They make that rule in sonics rush. so why so suddenly blaze could be traspassing the dimension of the universe like some game or travel?

not only that, but even if she can do it on her own, why it doesnt affect the esmerald of sonics world when it was stablished that the sol and chaos esmeralds cant coexist in a same dimension or universe? Blaze not only is bein careless, she is being a like dangerous threat to all the universe of sonic. Why the chaos esmeralds arent affected by the presence of the sol esmeralds? or even the master esmeralds itself?

what the hell ian.

2.- Sonic thinks that eggman need a second chance or come around"

Sonic, buddy. Are you serious right now? are you like in love with eggman or what. literally, eggman spread a fricking virus to all the world, make gods to literally doom all the existence. make a friking god of the time to try to erase the timeline the replace it with one with pure evilness. Literally destroyed the moon that for some reason the ocean didnt get affected by it. AND YOU THINK THAT HE NEED TO COME AROUND OR JUST GET A CLUE?! in the games, sonic is aware that eggman is incapable of redemption and even in the ask of questions on the japanese side of sonic he knows that fact.

3.- Sonic gaslight shadow on using his trauma to guiltrip him.

what kind of sonic is this? why the hell would you use someones trauma to just win a argument and to make everyone see that "everyone is stupid expect me!"? In sonic battle, sonic reminds shadow he is hero when the emerl situation was happening and dont use shadows trauma to just try to win a argument, but to make shadow UNDERSTAND why they had to not destroy emerl. good job, sonic of idw. You make not only that a virus expanded by your selfiness, but you even argue with espio using excuses to justificate why you did what you did because "it was for the good". what good, sonic? I see more like someone who is trying to push someones narrative into another persons to try to win that they are in the correct side of the side.

Isnt that a little contradictory of your message of freedom, honey? No wonder why surge hates your guts so bad.

4.-Amy is just a sally 2.0

Seriosly, I am not saying that that change is just bad. Is just... why? in the games, amy is just show to motivate the other to do their best and inspirate other with her love. Her LOVE, even if it was a little creepy in the beginning of sonic, was a central thing of her character. the message of amy it was that even in the darkness time, there was a light in the end of the tunnel. nothing has a end, so you have a chance to change for the better like she did with shadow when he was about to destroy the earth. Where all that characters development when where she is suddenly a "leader" or planning things to carry fundamental elements? is like one day she was like "I love you sonic, and everyone too!" to "I love sonic, but whatever, we need to focus on the mission on hand first"

I guess the fans that were mad about amy being a creep had their results here.

there is so much more, but remember: Ian is not the maximous authority of sega. and like everyone human being, he has his faults.

read the next document. I dont know who is the author, but basically it sayed all was is wrong with idw sonic:

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Remember the time when a sega employee threatened and even attempt to dox some player of phantasy star online?

yeah

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Idk if you personally blazed that sonamy post and I’m not even in this fandom, but I got curious and scrolled through your blog and wow. I did not know there were people still engaging in ship wars to this level in the 2020’s.

Incredible posting everyone. Godspeed, I guess.

Believe me. that war will never end

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Am I the only one that have a problem/questions with tailstube videos?

I mean, they are good to explain the lore of your own world and that is fantastic, but I mean... those things shouldnt be explained by itself in the games? When King boo hasnt even have a backstory but then they give him one like a powerpoint thing and I just- I think it is better if they show instead of telling the things off? And what about the classic sonic being from another dimension? So the sonic cd things we see is from the another alternative universe and sonic superstars is from the modern? If that is so, why the events doesnt make sense like the characters personalitys on the medias? the continuity isnt really clear if that is the case. where is the "show, dont tell"? and about the chaos esmeralds, if they have infinite power, then that means that they can travel to the past and future? And if the time stones are used to travel in time aswell even to move planets... then they have the same power as the esmeralds? but if the same power as the esmeralds (sol esmeralds) are in the same universe, it can collapse... so that means the time stones can be considered another "chaos esmeralds" and for that they only appear once a year?? But the presence of the times stones and chaos esmeralds in a same universe could make some changes in the world or not? why there is not consequencies in the worlds by their presence? that just appear ones a year? Why they are so different from the chaos esmeralds when, in teory, they have like the same powers since the chaos esmeralds have infinitive power then?

How is that even works that future, past and present meets in one place that is little plannet? that means that past timelines or alternative timelines appear too? if the future appear too, why silver isnt really interested in little plannet when they have the power to travel throught time and appear once a year? Sonic team gonna really change their entire cannon to just create more confussion instead of polish it or what

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This guy (not you, the two person that started insulting first for no reason lol) is like others people I spoken to: give the same arguments and in the end they dont want to continue or dont even continue the chat at all. Bruh.

Correcting Misinformation and Disinformation

If anyone is trying to say that these lines are official in Sonic Frontiers, know that it is misinformation and that they are lying because these lines were cut and are not in the game officially.

In bullet points:

These lines are cut-lines and they never made it to the final version for any platform

Ian, the writer for Sonic Frontiers, didn't even write these lines to be in the game

Since the lines are in the database of the game (but does not occur in the final version of the game), the lines can be modded into the game to make it seem official or that it's in the final version of the game

"Proofs" showing these lines to be in the game have faults within them, such as not occurring on the correct island or weather condition

There are several factors to consider when acknowledging these lines existence. One of the main factors is that these are cut-lines that never made it to the official and final version of Sonic Frontiers. This goes for both the English and Japanese version of the game. These lines can only be found through datamining the game, which means to look through files deep within the game that don't make it to the surface. So, these lines will never be activated because there is nothing to activate it, therefore it is not official lines.

Another thing to know about is that Ian, the one who wrote the story and dialogue lines for Sonic Frontiers, was not even aware of these lines existing in the game because he never wrote them or had anything similar be made for these lines to exist. Therefore, it wasn't even planned to have these lines in the game whatsoever. Someone else, other than Ian, snuck the lines in and had it go against what the original story was in the first place; they tried to have their own story or vision be put in the game aside from what Ian wrote or how it was originally conceived. This makes the lines even more unofficial and not real. Many already acknowledge that these lines are not official and are cut lines.

One more thing to consider is that even if people show "proof" of it existing in the games, these lines and even text can be easily modded into the game for it to seem like it exists in the final game. But just because it is modified in, doesn't mean that it was there originally.

As it can be seen through this individual who is able to make unused conversations be put into the game in some manner through modification, it is also possible to put unused conversations lines in the game in some manner. These lines towards Amy aren't the only lines that are unused in the game. There are many lines that aren't used and that are still in the database of the game, but that doesn't mean that any of them made it to the final game for people to see through normal means.

Another thing to take note about is that these lines towards Amy (the "Umbrella" and "Making up his mind" lines), are lines that occur on Rhea or Ouranos Island, but the first pictures shown in this thread show that the lines were randomly said on Kronos Island, the first island you go to in the game. That shows that this person modified the lines to be said in the game and that they are not triggered under normal means. Another way to figure out that these lines are modified is that the "Umbrella" line is supposed to only be triggered while it's raining, but the line is said randomly while it is only cloudy in the person's "proof" of it existing in the game.

On a side note, datamining and modifying games tend to be illegal depending on what company the game comes from. For example, Nintendo has policies that say that if you are to play their games, you cannot modify their systems or games that are played on that console. So this practice of modifying and datamining is not encouraged by the majority of game companies and isn't welcomed, therefore it should become a common practice to not to try to do these illegal activity towards any game.

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Álso, why your comments are deleted in past conversations? even your reblogs tumbrl clarificated them like gone

"Sonamy is canon and sonic likes amy back! he is just shy!"

What. Uh. The claim that "Sonamy is canon and Sonic likes Amy back but is just shy" is a misconception because it lacks clear evidence in the games or official media that Sonic reciprocates Amy’s romantic feelings in a meaningful or consistent way.

Sonic’s interactions with Amy across the games show that he cares for her as a friend and ally, but there’s no solid indication that he sees her romantically. Sonic often dodges or avoids Amy when she expresses her romantic feelings. While this is played for comedic effect, it’s far from a sign of shyness. It suggests that Sonic may not share the same feelings or simply isn’t interested in pursuing romance. Sonic cares about Amy’s safety and well-being, but this aligns with his general heroic nature and how he treats his other friends (e.g., Tails, Knuckles, or even strangers). His protective attitude doesn’t necessarily imply romantic feelings. And that some fans doesnt understand.

The evidence that some fans showed is mostly mistranslations that sega of the wester side do it on purpose when in the japanese version, where sonic is originated created, the text is completly different. So yeah, the voice over where tails read the questions about sonic having feelings for amy in the sonic cd resume of amy being sonics love interest they are already spreading wrong information, so yeah. They are literrally spreading a lie the america sega when they dont have any power on it lol. (sonadow wiki next)

"If anyone uses this to claim that it is Sonic saying that he is calling Amy his girlfriend, that is misinformation/disinformation, they are lying and it shows that they don’t know how to read Japanese at all.

This sentence has nothing to do with Sonic calling anyone his girlfriend. And what is in the parentheses is not a part of the sentence, that is a personal interpretation of what the person thought of after mistranslating the sentence.

What the sentence says is this: “Sorry but, I find a girlfriend to be an inconvenience (burden or discomfort).” or “Unfortunately, a girlfriend is something that I don’t want to inconvenience myself with, you know.”

The sentence in Japanese: “あいにく, ガールフレンドには 不自由して いないもんでね”

If you take the sentence apart (which you can see on this website) you will see each word on it’s own to see the direct translation.

あいにく = Unfortunately or Sorry, but…

ガールフレンド = Girlfriend

不自由して = Doing Discomfort or Inconvenience

いない = (something along the lines of) Do not (when paired with 不自由して)

もん = Something/Person/Thing

でね = You know

Another thing to point out is that the sentence in Japanese does not have the word or meaning “have” in it. “Have” in Japanese would involve the character or particle “が.”

One more thing to point out is that with the incorrect translation, if Sonic was saying that, then it does not reflect in the game it is in, nor future medias where he runs away from Amy constantly (like in Sonic Battle) or considers her only a friend."

Even Ian sayed that amys love is one-sided and sonic considered her as a friend, nothing more. Everyone, including employess, are just lying to this point!

And even in the video down below sonic sayed that is nothing complicated, and she is just a important friend that can be difficult to handle sometimes.

"Oh, but sonic sounds like a boy with a crush"

NO. That doesnt mean necesarrily that he have a crush People claiming "he sounds like he has a crush" are basing their argument on subjective interpretation of Sonic’s tone of voice rather than the actual words he says. Tone can be influenced by many factors: Sonic might be playful, casual, or dismissive because he doesn’t see the topic as serious.

His tone might even reflect mild awkwardness—not because of romantic feelings, but because Amy’s affection can sometimes be overbearing or embarrassing for him. When Sonic curtly responds to questions about Amy (like saying she's "an important friend" or "nothing complicated"), some fans interpret his brevity as embarrassment or an attempt to hide his true feelings. However, this interpretation comes from the fan’s desire to see a romantic connection, not from what Sonic is actually communicating.

Without concrete actions to back up this tone, interpreting it as proof of a crush is a leap. So no, friends, not everything has to be romantic.

And even in the japanese sonic channel amy is still saying that she is a "self-proclamed" girlfriend so... yeah.

And about that some fans sayed that in sonic unleashed sonic gets sad because amy doesnt recognize him and walks away, more like sonic gets sad because with that form his friends couldnt even recognize him anymore and thinks he looks like a monster. that doesnt show that he likes her romantically. He is trying to adapt to his new form, so is understandable that he felts sad with his new form if a friend doesnt recognize him. And about sonic flirting with lady percival thing: bro, sonic is acting normal like he do with knuckles, tails and even shadow. what are you into bro.