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Aggressive reminder that this is a pro-palestine blog! If you support Israel, and GENOCIDE, go away!!! Forever!!! If you’re “neutral” in the face of war, also go away!!! Forever!!!
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Lucifer: *enters the hotel*
Alastor: I cast vicious mockery 😈
An animation my sis and I made for fun
Music is Perception Check by Tom Cardy.
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Psst.
It’s a bit late to be warning since Episode’s 1-4 have been out for a whole day, but if you haven’t started watching or haven’t gotten to Episode 4 yet….DO NOT WATCH EPISODE 4. Sure, it does expand on the characters of Angel and Husk more but at the cost of you having to endure trauma you may have experienced before that many of you on here certainly have. The show failed to give a proper warning, the internet’s full of warnings about this episode…please skip it.
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I think I have made my final decision in regards to HB. I won’t abandon the show entirely, BUT, I will be focusing on fan content from now on.
You know you have a bad show when the fan works are better than the actual show.
Yeah, I’ve failed to mention - it’s not just the creator who is everything wrong with the show. It’s the writing. But because she’s IN CHARGE of the writing, well, that’s why it sucks. The show would’ve been better if she wasn’t involved at all. It could have been in the hands of people who aren’t morally bankrupt. It could be in the hands of better writers who could take her initial ideas and make a better story out of it. But none of that will happen. And it’s because of her. It’s because of her the show sucks. 😭 Beautiful art cannot save bad writing.
This isn’t the only show to have this problem, either - Miraculous Ladybug and the once-good Star Vs are two other examples. Not because the creators are human scum, mind you, but because the writing was bad.
Granted, HB isn’t Velma levels of terrible, either, and I doubt Hazbin will be, but…should we REALLY watch Hazbin this Friday? I don’t think we should…and the more I’ve thought about it, the more I’ve decided to just read what paid critics have to say. I doubt it’s gonna be good. It’ll be a “hit” in terms of views but with scathing reviews, like a blockbuster movie that’s terrible. The art and animation are the only good things about it - and, well, the music will slap too because at least Vile Viv isn’t in charge of THAT.
There’s a reason views have declined for HB, and it’s for two reasons: more and more fans realize how morally bankrupt Viv is, and former fans got sick of the shitty writing. The third is a combination of both.
I’ve known the writing wasn’t solid for…more than a year now. But I kept watching with the hope that it’d get better. Then I began to feel ashamed for liking this show as it became increasingly apparent that it’s not cool to like it anymore especially as it’s become known fact that Vile Viv is a monster. As its unpopularity increases and fans stop becoming fans, I felt frustrated and ashamed. I tried separating art from artist for years with this show, but nobody else seemed to be capable of doing it, and since both art AND artist are bad in this case, well…it’s time to let go.
Then I realized that fanfic has better writing than the show, and fans have better ideas…so fanworks are my loophole. Hate the canon? There’s fanworks out there that repair everything. Even I’ve got my own ideas for how I personally would have written Unhappy Campers.
I will not credit Vile Viv for any inspiration behind the way I draw some of my characters…tbh I think Kendraws is more responsible for that anyway, given how they re-designed Cherri Bomb. The art style of Viv’s cartoons are beautiful. I wish she was a better person who listened to criticism and knew how to actually write. I wished she’d get fired from her own shows so that they could continue in better hands.
But what we need right now is her blacklisting from the animation industry entirely.
#helluva boss#anti vivziepop#hellaverse#hazbin hotel#this is an unfocused ramble but yeah there’s always fan content#i’m just gonna read fanfic instead at this point#it’s better than the actual show#like some of it fixes the shows problems
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one last thing, I made a drink inspired by the Beelzejuice cocktail seen in S1E8 “Queen Bee”. It’s probably never gonna see the light of day, or if it does i will need to explain myself that I’m no longer a fan of the show and do not condone Viv at all.
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Reblogging from my main. I’m probably not going to be posting here anymore unless it’s complaining about the creator/praying for her to fail. I will not be drawing fanart from either show anymore. I just cannot be a fan of Hellaverse anymore.
https://at.tumblr.com/dearest-starboy/vvsiepoop-also-drew-art-making-fun-of-homeless/b13ncu6579vc
https://at.tumblr.com/what-the-hazbin/positivelydetectivecomics-pitbullsandpenguins/lvarvqrilx1w
https://at.tumblr.com/what-the-hazbin/vivziepop-and-her-hatred-of-jewish-culture/dv588rxgs5fp
Here's some that go into the racism antisemitism and also making fun of homeless people, as someone who was homeless for 4 years making it a punchline is disgusting, I can't find this one post that goes into the racist stereotype nitzy? I think? Is because she died in the 50's, yellow skinned, cleaning lady, whole thing
First off, she has a lot of haters accusing her of everything under the sun due to mistakes she made when she was younger. They blow this out of proportion saying she’s exactly like JKR when this is false.
THAT BEING SAID
I absolutely CANNOT defend the appropriation of voodou symbols. (However you spell it). Granted, Alastor is supposed to be Creole himself - but still….I’m hoping going forward for the full series this mistake will be corrected as this was just in the pilot.
Another thing we have to keep in mind is what we see in the pilot is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to canonical lore. The series proper should hopefully reveal all the canon lore that has been confirmed by Vivzie in the future - everything from Alastor being Creole and sinners being unable to leave the Pride Ring should come up in the show, among other things. Likewise with Helluva Boss, a lot of the canon still hasn’t been shown yet, but slowly over the course of the series, the things that have been officially confirmed (such as the social stigma of an Ars Goetia sleeping with an imp) took some time to show up.
A lot of the accusations come from people who haven’t even seen the show or have any desire to watch it, let alone know any of the canon the shows have yet to pick up.
As for the homeless person in the HB pilot - he was more or less a background element I think….not a joke….
As for the Sausage party stuff…I looked into that Twitter thread and some of those drawings don’t even look like her art style. I want even more proof for this one. Nothing is unbiased but I need a lot more evidence. Lilith though - yeah I can understand that. I have to say I’m no expert on either Jewish or Christian scriptures. From what I can guess - and correct me if I’m super ignorant here - is that there’s a lot of overlap. I do need to do some homework here, but while I can show concern over, say, goblins and Mr. Pinch in Pizza Tower, and decry anti-Semitism over the goblins in Harry Potter - ESPECIALLY Hogwarts Legacy, Lilith in Hazbin Hotel is a bit more complicated. I know way less in the case of Lilith, unfortunately.
In short this is a complicated mess, especially when people accuse her of everything under the sun - some of which are past mistakes she apologized for because we all do stupid stuff when we’re younger, things done out of ignorance - and then there’s things that are complete reaches and grasping at straws.
Also - with all the bullying and hate she gets, I think she’s sick of it and it really does a number on her mental health. So her blocking “critics” is probably because she just can’t deal with all of this. I get it. I hate that so many people will hate you over past mistakes because every mistake you make online is forever. And then those people will accuse you of being a flaming bigot and grasp at straws for your current projects when there is no real damning evidence.
I bet a lot of people are gonna be thinking that of me now that I’ve written this post. Or hell, even the shit I did here in 2015/2016 when I was a real depressed individual. But that’s the nature of the internet, sadly. It can’t be helped.
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who the hell cares if a stranger on the internet gets the wrong impression of you because you post about a TV show?
If somebody is that fucking judgemental, ya shouldn't want thier approval anyway
Idk I just don’t want ppl to assume I’m one of Viv’s flying monkeys just because I like her show. It’s possible to hate her but like her content, something many ppl can’t understand, and there is a toxic purity culture online where people think the things you like dictate your morality when it doesn’t.
If the creator wasn’t so horrible and despised it wouldn’t be controversial or scary to like this show with everybody around you seeming to hate it. The vileness of the creator ruins the show and it sucks. It ruins the potential, the success, the enjoyment. It’d be better if someone else took over, honestly. Idk who. I just don’t want her associated with her own work anymore.
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The very reason I created this blog was to give myself a haven where I could post HB and Hazbin related content without upsetting the followers on my main or my art blogs. It was also to “protect” my reputation because I didn’t want people to think I was ever a Viv stan (I never was, I just liked her cartoons but for years tried to remain neutral on her herself, and did have plenty of criticisms about her behavior). I thought it was possible to like these shows while condemning the creator for being a bitch.
But now, well….it feels like if you like and watch these shows, you support her and are a part of her standom. And I know that’s not true, I KNOW there are other fans who like the show and hate the creator. But it’s honestly hard to tell who is a pro-show anti-viv and a yes man. Which is why I feel like I need a disclaimer if I post HB fanart to say “Don’t get me wrong, I hate viv as much as you all do and want her fired from her own show, I just like her cartoons but want them in better hands”. Then again, I’m far too scared to publicly post ANY Hellaverse fanart anymore and have been since November.
Anyone else feel the same pressure? That we just gotta stop watching, stop posting fan content, throw away our merch and move on? Can we still watch and enjoy these shows anymore?
#what do i do#helluva boss#hazbin hotel#vivziepop#vivzieverse#hellaverse#spindlehorse#anti vivziepop
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Green light to send this around has been given, and you'd better believe I'm gonna do just that.
Long story short, something happened that Spindlehorse had to be commissioned to handle the Hazbin finale. Exactly why that is, I don't know that I can share yet, but they were payed a pittance to do it.
Proof, straight from Adam himself, of Spindlehorse paying Hazbin animators $35 per second. All the while, Vivzie's Instagramming her lavish vacations and treating herself to front row Broadway seats.
That is fucking slave wages, and this is abuse.
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It can’t be a coincidence Mammon looks like a Christmas tree. He doesn’t care if Halloween isn’t over yet, Mammon Season is already here!
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Quick sketch I decided to color between drawings. I'm counting down the days till January! Can't wait!!
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So now that Asmodeus believes that Lust can't be forced despite being the Sin of Lust, can we all stop using the fucking "It's Hell" excuse??
It's gotten to a point where one of the SEVEN PRINCES OF HELL has better morality than Valentino, yet people are still using the excuse "They're demons in Hell they're supposed to be mean and dirty". Some bullshit right there.

#tbh i think this is more critical of the fanbase#in fact its interesting that the prince of lust has better morals than say valentino#very very interesting….
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Lookie! Lady Luck has her own profile sheets with a dash of reference for all 3 versions. They’re not full turn arounds, but you got some character info, and her color scheme (plus her tattoo designs).
Sorry about that last one, I promise this is the only art related to that show I’ll post here. I wanted to have all 3 together.
#there is a reason i made this account#and it’s because i wanna keep my audiences on my other blogs comfortable#so i try to keep all hellaverse content and posts here except this one#lady luck#original character#cuphead oc#hazbin oc#hazbin hotel oc#oc#cw hazbin hotel#character ref#character profile#my art
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i see all these comments talking about this after the new episode, but. i would like to state for the record that stolitz isn't. toxic.
first off, the concept of a toxic and a healthy relationship are such... vague terms. when you're online, drenched in language and tight moral boundaries, trying to put a nuanced story like helluva boss's into boxes is easy to attempt and impossible to do.
a toxic relationship is one where one or both parties is maliciously affecting the other. I'm talking fetid, nasty, rude interactions where there is more hurt than love. they're unhappy more often than not when they're with their partner, there's no respect or give from the other side.
stolitz is nothing like that.

Stolas actively cares about Blitz and actually has no fear or hesitation in ADMITTING IT OUT LOUD TO OZZIE. he has been calling, texting, commenting, laughing and finding ways to spend time with Blitz. he's throwing everything he has to the wind, finding the courage to move forward with the divorce, putting everything he has into trying to keep him. he's been alone in a palace since he was born, on medication, with such less people dear to him that he remembered the circus boy who spent a day with him DECADES ago- so when blitz comes into his life and brings back in laughter and color and sex, he's holding on with everything he's got.

and blitz does care!!! he cares a LOT, the whole series we see him falling in love with stolas through SHOW NOT TELL (his expressions, his choices, his fear, his lashing out) and utterly unable to process that stolas cares about him too when talking to fizz; almost a desperate kind of denial-

cause yknow. the first time he tried to confess something to someone he really liked, he accidentally killed half the people he knew and ruined the lives of the rest?
thats gonna leave just a teensy impact on the will to express your emotions in the future, methinks.
even before that, he clearly felt like on some level that he was unworthy and he's said twice that he despises himself for the accident even though it wasn't actually his fault. being self aware doesn't stop the emotions from emotioning.
he keeps insisting its only sex so urgently to anyone who doesn't ask because he can't even imagine it being anything else. he's both disappointed and relieved when he repeats that stolas sees him as a novelty, because what else can it be?

(there's a whole other spiel of how brave both Stolas and Blitz have to be to say it out loud even when asmodeus can't afford to, considering how publically and completely beaten down both were at the club.)
(there's also another whole spiel about how frustrating it has been for ME to see all these comments over time with such bad takes based on like,, 20 min worth of info of a show that takes months to release an ep. like godDAMN have some patience?? let the story UNFOLD MAYBE? IT WAS ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE AN EXPLANATION WHY WOULD YOU CRITICIZE THINGS THAT ARENT EVEN FINISHED ESPECIALLY AN INDIE ANIMATION- i digress)
mind you, this has NOTHING to do with abuse. an abusive relationship is one where one is actively harming the other with full awareness. Stella is an abuser and their marriage is abusive.
and stolitz isn't that; it isn't even unhealthy or toxic. it's a consensual, transactional fuckbuddy relationship that slid into something more for both of them.
but!!!!! one of the main reasons for the problems that everyone looks over is-
they're in a BDSM relationship.

I can't possibly delve into dynamics without making this a 10k research paper BUT even though we've gotten only hints and costumes and dialogue- they're very clearly and undeniably in a BDSM contract. Behind the scenes of this crazy show is a whole different story, of these two delving into the most hardcore kinks out there- knifeplay, painplay, bondage.
if you've gotten into the community, if you've read a couple dozen particularly good fics by authors who know what they're talking about, hell; even if your only experience is fifty shades or 365 or whatever- you gotta know that BDSM scenes are crazy fucking emotionally heavy. there's so much that has gone down between them during their full moons that helluva can't get into!!
but you know how in so many of these popular medias and fics, the dom in the relationship is also like,, the billionaire/mafia heir/prince, etc, the one with financial and physical power? this isnt that. it has been very clearly stated that stolas is subbing, blitz is domming.
now take a moment and think about how much that fucks up the dynamics.

in stolas' eyes, blitz is a confident, dangerous individual who's an old friend and cherished memory of his, who he's trusted wholly with his safety during sex and he's lucky to have; and he has been in an abusive arranged marriage for the past eighteen Years, he's probably not going to be pushing his luck with his dom that much in the first place. plus, blitz is never cowed by him during their conversations- think back to the first phone call right after he stole the book, completely unafraid.

and for blitz, it's someone trusting him again- but it's also a royal- a blue blood who's nearly untouchable and so much more powerful- who couldn't possibly like a piece of shit like him, apart from the sex he gets out of it. he only flirts once he gets some sort of cue from Stolas; he's desperately trying to view this as only a Goetia trying to get his rocks off, despite all the evidence to the contrary, because anything else is unfathomable to him, no matter how clearly Stolas shows it, because of the ptsd.
both of them thinks the other has the power. both of them aren't expecting the other to keep shut if something's bothering them.
and there's so much conflicting messages from the other too!
stolas calls him a plaything when trying to intimidate the humans; stolas cups his face gently and asks if he's alright
blitz asks him on a date and tells him to get better soon; blitz yells that it's only sex and doesn't reply to his messages
ya see?
bring it to fizzozzie for a second now; even though they do look all good on surface, you can still see fizz's trauma and doubt in all their interactions, they're still forced to keep the relationship secret. do you see his face when Ozzie says in hyperbole that he's never leaving the house again, or when someone accuses him of being a pampered house pet or when he got sexualized in the 7th ep? whatever happened in the interim between the accident with mammon, it fucked him UP. even though oz seems to be well aware of this when he tells him not to apologise and in their general interactions, fizz still visibly has trouble separating plaything/commodity from healthy relationship.



shout the fuck out to Ozzie btw, man knows whats UP. rooting for these two so much omg.
i forgot where I was going with this point, I'll edit it when i remember. but yeah! lovely fucking relationship, but damn what angst filled issues.
anyway, to sum up- stolitz is not a toxic relationship. the relationship is stuck sludging through misunderstandings and careless microaggressions and trauma responses, but it's not unhealthy or toxic because of the simple reason that most of the current hurt comes from... a misunderstanding. stolas didn't realise blitz would need reassurance about what they were and blitz didn't see stolas as someone who could get hurt.
unecessarily calling it toxic, even online, is more impactful than people think too. almost all spindlehorse ARE on all social medias; so MANY YouTube animators i know have found jobs there; they see your words, especially since a lot don't tag posts with "anti hb" correctly to keep them out of the main tag. there are Very few queer medias made BY queer people that haven't gone through heavy corporate revisions- helluva boss is practically a historical landmark in its success. it's very very very fucking easy to forget that not ten years ago some of the only queer videos on YouTube were butter lover (one kiss at the end post credits), dirty paws and welcome to hell (subtext).
the amount of "critical talk" helluva boss gets for what it is is very unprecedented. it's a beautiful show. can't wait for the next episode.
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Well Christ on a stick, I guess there can be forgiveness in these characters.
Whether or not Fizz can or will forgive Blitzo remains to be seen, at the very least they are mending things between them and are in a better place at the end of the episode than when they started out.
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