nonbinarykai

[nonbinarykai]

hey man as someone who doesn’t gaf about jay or nya at all i gotta tell you that you’re lowkey being cooked rn and u gotta just take an L when it comes your way

Mind you the thing I’m being “cooked” about is that I think bizarro jay using the fact he looks liked jay in order to pull Nya into a kiss without her knowing it’s not actually jay is assault because Nya cannot consent if she is being actively deceived and she is being forcibly grabbed and pushed into it.

It is genuinely gross how often this fandom is willing to downplay genuine assault for the sake of their fictional man.

[nonbinarykai]

Saying Nya wasn’t assaulted by bizarro jay and then going “well technically nya must have also assaulted jay then” when one of the contexts of the situation was date??? Is absolutely insane behavior actually.

Yes kissing someone without consent is assault. Especially if that person is pretending to be someone else you know in order to gain your trust.

The difference between Nya kissing jay in s1 and apparently in s2 (have no idea what you’re talking about btw) is that they were already flirting and ON A DATE. Yes I don’t think being on a date means they are in a relationship but it does implying a romantic setting where kissing could be ok.

Oh and also she literally had to in order to reverse the effects of the fangpyre venom on jay. That was her only choice.

Nya was grabbed by bizarro jay and kissed under the impression that it was jay. she had no idea it was another person who took advantage of the fact he looked like jay. That is blatant assault. And to go “oh well nya kissed jay on a date so it’s the same” is extremely gross and very victim blamey!

In fact jay only being concerned with the fact someone kissed his girl and not the fact nya was assaulted is extremely worrying!

And none of what you said changes the fact that jay is still out here tackling and trying to punch people for “mocking” his supposed girlfriend being kidnapping, yelling at people for “kissing his girl”, attacking Cole during the love triangle. And being entitled afterwards. All things you have said during this conversation are things he has done. Is still painting the picture of an extremely insecure entitled boyfriend.

All of this without even TOUCHING skybound. The season where he tries to force her to love him. Says they have to be together because of the reflection. Reads a book by a misogynistic man to try to “woo” Nya over and follows the advice. Makes multiple wishes by nadakhan to win her over despite knowing how dangerous that is. Etc etc

“But he’s a teenager! He’s immature! He’s stressed!” None of that should excuse his actions? He’s still responsible for lashing out and targeting people over nya (something he does up until crystallized mind you) and literally physically attacking people because of it. Zane’s also a teenager during this time and you don’t see him acting this way about Pixal at all.

I’m sure you have good faith but I cannot in good conscious continue a conversation further with someone after they try to argue that a female character being kissed completely against her will by a man who’s taking advantage of the fact he looks like someone she trusts is the same as a girl kissing a guy who’s been flirting with her on the cheek during a date because she had no other choice. That’s really inappropriate and gross behavior. And it shows me that there’s not going to be any real attempt to understand the problematic behavior behind jays actions. Just a desire to justify and defend jay. I don’t see any point continuing this, nor would i want to after seeing the assault comment. Have a good day.

hey not to be aggressive or anything but are we actually trying to blame jay for the love triangle in season 3 right now

[nonbinarykai]

Your approaching this from the idea that jay and Nya were already dating before rebooted. Which as far as I’m aware is not true. Yes sometimes people comment about them POSSIBLY being in a relationship like the ones you have described but that does not necessarily mean that they are in one. It’s just that people notice there is romantic tension and comment on it. if jay says something like “that’s my girl” that doesn’t necessarily mean they are dating that just means he’s interested in a romantic relationship. There is a difference. And like I said before if they were dating it definitely would have been said that Nya was dating jay but they never Definitely say that. They keep it vague. They’re a little bit flirty with eachother but zero evidence beyond that. If you have any evidence to suggest otherwise I’d love to see it.

And yea they did go on a date in s1 but again going on a date is not the same as being in a relationship.

At no point in s1 or s2 are they said to be girlfriend and boyfriend. I think the only time they are definitely said they are is in s6.

So based on the fact that I have no reason to believe that jay is dating nya in s1 and s2 because it is just not there canonically. Yes I’d say jay acts entitled towards Nya here in s3 and in s1 and s2.

He says the infamous “we’re saving a girl? Is she pretty” in the pilots. He literally tackles cole in s2 because he phrased something poorly when Nya got turned evil. He gets mad that bizarro jay kisses nya (also his evil clone assaults nya, which to be fair isn’t a full indicative of normal jays character but still concerning). And of course s3.

Not to mention later seasons such as s5 or s6 where jay believed nya was meant to be his based on a future reflection to the point that he tried to force her to love him with a wish.

I mean no hate but are you really going to look at this and (again, with no definitive proof they are in fact a couple) and say this is not super weird and possessive behavior? Even if they are a couple this is still a massive red flag.

hey not to be aggressive or anything but are we actually trying to blame jay for the love triangle in season 3 right now

[nonbinarykai]

Because he’s a participant?

Yea ok jay had every right to be upset but I don’t recall jay and Nya actually dating at that point. When jay tried to flirt with her earlier that season she shut it down.

And yea nya was being dumb there’s no argument against that but jay escalated the situation by constantly challenging cole which lead to Cole to double down out of spite.

We know by multiple sources that Cole didn’t actually care about dating nya and was just upset that jay was upset. If jay had kept a level head and let Cole reject Nya then everything would have probably worked itself out.

He is still at fault partially for what happened along side cole and nya. And his behavior is indicative of his entitlement to nya if he’s willing to literally fight cole on multiple occasions for a girl that at that point wasn’t interested in him.

Plus he didn’t even apologize to nya for it! Only Cole. Which is a bit ridiculous considering that he was still undermining what she wanted for what he wanted. Nya should have apologized to them both as well

It’s upsetting that the love triangle is suddenly concluded without any input from the woman character even though she was the center of the conflict

hey not to be aggressive or anything but are we actually trying to blame jay for the love triangle in season 3 right now

[nonbinarykai]

We as a fandom ignore Nya and her struggles way too much tbh

[nonbinarykai]

One of these days we will have a talk about Jay favoritism and how it correlates with people are insistent with claiming he's white but that day is not today

[nonbinarykai]

Listen I definitely don’t like parachutingkitten and I’ve been aware of her having bad faith takes for a long time (ffs I was literally directly involved in her having extremely bad faith takes out of spite) But it upsets me that this woman who’s only crime is having bad opinions is being openly condemned by twitter atleast much more then the thieving, “Loli” defending tanner and other men in the fandom who have done MUCH worse then her. I’m seeing a lot more tweets completely shitting on her than I have for men getting called out by the fandom up until fucking Jan.

I certainly do not agree with parachutingkittens takes in the video and I think she makes alot of judgments based on very personal factors and presents it as fact but the fact one of the few women creators in this fandom and ESPECIALLY on YouTube is getting harassed over this is stupid as fuck and is exactly the type of misogyny I have been saying is present in our fandom.

Can’t believe you guys are actually making me defend parachutingkitten of all people but “jay only acted that way in s6” is blatantly untrue and I think a bunch of guys borderline harassing a woman for disliking how weird a male character is a bit fucked up for this fandom tbh.

[nonbinarykai]

Can’t believe you guys are actually making me defend parachutingkitten of all people but “jay only acted that way in s6” is blatantly untrue and I think a bunch of guys borderline harassing a woman for disliking how weird a male character is a bit fucked up for this fandom tbh.

[nonbinarykai]

Skybound fans say literally one thing about Nya challenge

[nonbinarykai]

Despite skybound being my favourite season on a wish and a prayer is my least favourite episode

Firstly jay gets blamed for Zane being gone, however zane already knew that jay made his two out of his three wishes. Now sure they don’t know that. Still really annoying, also the fact that no one gave a shit that jay was adopted is awful sure they might be mad at him but the fact that it would’ve been so much better if they just look back up him with some with some sad eyes or something and then just turn away and still angry with him but nothing so much better than them just ignoring him in general also they didn’t really tell that they might have been killed by the tiger widow but they had Cole who’s a ghost now we know we do know that ghosts are weak to water but we don’t know how they do with venom I do that how in the next episode they realised their mistake.

Also at the beginning of the episode when jay tells Cole he already made two out of three wishes and how are you and how was lucky to not to not make his Third it almost sounded as though he was going to wish it all away.

Heh oh boi Let me stop you right there, this is the take I had about 7 years ago. I grew up, I was wrong and my opinion changed let me tell you why.

First, the ninja should absolutely be mad at Jay for not telling them he made wishes.

He talked to their enemy, lied to them about his inheritance and held back vital information that would keep his friends safer.

Sure, Zane figured out Jay had made wishes and still went alone. But don’t you think Lloyd or Nya would have let him if they knew? And what about Kai!? I don’t even think Cole knows Jay could have saved him.

Jay definitely deserves some blame for Zane and Kai wishing it all away. Jay sharing his experience might have saved both of them but he didn’t give his team the best chance winning.

Even though he was manipulated into keeping the wishes to himself out of shame, that does NOT mean the other were wrong for being pissed at him.

Second, Jay brought up that he was adopted purely for sympathy in that moment. He literally says “in my defense, I did just find out my birth parents weren’t my real parents. Very much not a defense It’s fully unrelated to the way he messed up, the other have no obligation to respond to that and quite honestly I’m not even sure they heard him.

Third, he’s not actually treated that bad for what he did. The way he whines might have you believe that but ALL his friends do is be angry, ignore him and not comfort him when he’s whining about whatever.

Worst thing was nominating him to get the venom. It can be debated if Jay deserves this as he’s being put into a deadly situation.

Though I would argue this kinda is just the ninjas Job…… and he put the others in danger by withholding info. Also the others know Jay, well enough to know he can do it. Remember he’s stronger than he appears. They sure think he can get the venom on his own and he does.

However, feeling the way you do is very understandable with how Skybound is framed we are over empathetic to Jay so when his team turns on him and he starts acting like a wet cat it makes us think the others are wrong for making him feel bad. But once you look from the other ninjas perspective you’ll see the reality of the situation.

Not sure if this is a media literacy problem or more skybound framing thing but yeah a lot of kids walk away thinking what Jay did really wasn’t that bad. I mean I love him he’s my favorite but he still can act terrible.

In my opinion On a wish and a prayer is Jay getting what he deserves for being awful and after all these years I find it more amusing than sad. To be clear I think He fucked up and deserved to retrieve the venom but he doesn’t deserve getting kidnapped and what takes place after.

[nonbinarykai]

Why is Kai so low. Dude could literally get his ass beat and he would put *MORE* of an effort into being nice to you after

[nonbinarykai]

Another Zane thought, I think I might have mentioned it already but I’m to lazy to check

I see a lot abt ppl complaining that Zane is “to much like a robot” now which is fair real and true but I want to propose a in canon reason for why that is.

I think it’s entirely within Zane’s character for him to, regress I guess? After constantly dealing with the admiration he gets both in and out of canon. Which once again was probably made worse by being the ice emperor.

It’s hard for me to explain but, when was the last time in canon that Zane has been without the doubt in the wrong? And when was the last time in canon that someone has told him he is in the wrong. Yes there was the ice emperor situation but everyone in that situation minus idk Akita maybe treated him as if he had no role in it what so ever, that he can’t be held accountable.

Zane has always been treated as if he’s in the right, that he can’t do any moral failure in anyway. He’s never going to intentionally harm someone and if he does it’s just an accident or he wasn’t in control.

Now think about what that does to a regular person, how that shifts someone perception of themselves. Even someone incredibly humble might change over time. And mind you the last situation I can think of where someone told zane he was wrong was in s3, canonically several years from current DR.

So I guess what I’m trying to imply is that I think it’s possible that the in canon reason for why Zane’s character has slowly devolved to robot is because he’s slowly blocking out his human flaws in order to be the best version of himself that can exist. The version of himself that everyone praises. He canonically has blocked out his emotions when he felt like it got in the way of him being able to perform, what’s stopping him from doing that for aspects of himself he doesn’t like?

But it doesn’t entirely work like that, Zane is still a person regardless of if he decides to change aspects of himself. The way he’s dehumanizing himself is in a way, human. Hes not really blocking out these negative aspects of himself in the sense that these aspects are being fully removed from his personality, I think it’s more as if he refuses to properly acknowledge them anymore.

A great example is the “I don’t feel heightened emotions” line. Because let’s actually think about this.

He’s wrong, he is 100% wrong about that we have seen him experience extreme anger, sadness, and jealousy. There is no indication that Zane has adjusted his emotions to no longer feel that way and the way he’s missing Pixal all but proves that.

But he still says it as if it’s a fact. Almost as if he’s saying “no no I’m Zane I’m the logical down to earth guy I don’t GET emotional”. Despite the fact it’s so clearly wrong. He believes that he CANT BE, not that is he isn’t, CANT BE, emotional despite the fact that he is very much capable of that.

Which goes back to what I’m saying about him blocking out his flaws, he chooses to tell himself that he is not capable of being flawed even though he absolutely is. I think that’s interesting

[nonbinarykai]

Both crystallized and skybound fail spectacularly at being decent seasons but I think crystallized is better because even if it was ass it at the end of the day set out what it was meant to do.

Skybound (as much as people want to ignore it) was a season intended by the writers pretty clearly to address misogyny and not only failed so hard at it, It ended up doing a 180 and became the misogyny season instead of addressing the misogyny.

Give crystallized some credit it doesn’t fuck up its message so spectacularly that they have lloyd be replaced as the main character even though the issues are about him

Skybound literally failed the second it decided to make jay the main character and NOT Nya, the FEMALE character. Everything else past that was doomed to fail and it failed HARD. From the way they make almost every character misogynistic, to very clear lazy writing, to just the fact that it’s extremely gross.

Even ignoring the misogyny in the season, nadakhan is genuinely just such a bad villain and it’s clear he’s not winning because he can outsmart the ninja, he’s winning because the plot allows him to. The fact the guy who doesn’t know how to use a sword as a fucking sword is able to almost beat the ninja is embarrassing. In any other season the ninja would have been able to outsmart him easily.

Characters such as miskao and wu are written out without any explanation. Especially misako who we aren’t shown how she’s captured even though she was smart enough to not make any wishes. She’s written out for the sake of the plot. Characters are made extremely unlikeable and dumb for no reason basically, and the only character who is enjoyable gets fucking murderer at the end.

Crystallized was ass but atleast the crew had fun making it. Skybound is despised by its own writers and for good reason. It’s not a good season.

[nonbinarykai]

Hey do you guys think that after 60 or so years of having every one of his choices be validated by vex regardless of on if they’re morally correct or not, that Zane would struggle with wanting constant validation from other people for every choice he makes. Just a thought

[nonbinarykai]

I think about this a lot actually

Combined with the fact that Kai almost did die in nearly the exact way morro did and only survived because Lloyd happened to be there.

How close do you think wu was to completely breaking after that? When he realized he almost pushed another student to an early death. How badly did that fuck him up? Because I imagine it would really get at him.

Did he ever deal with his emotions privately or did he apologize to Kai off screen? Or did he wait till s5 to talk to Kai after morro showed up?

Do you think Kai is even aware himself that he was so extremely close to becoming just like morro? Is Kai even aware his mentor almost failed him?

Keeps me awake at night thinking about it

One line from season 1 I can literally never get out of my head is when Wu said to Kai at the peak of his wanting to be the green ninja nonsense:

"Perhaps it is best you do not reach your True Potential, or else someone could get hurt"

And I can't help but wonder if he said that because of how much of Morro he saw in Kai. He saw Kai slipping, teetering close to the edge, and all Wu could see was Morro.

I just picture the fear Wu had when he looked at Kai, fearing it was happening again, fearing he was going to watch another student fall down the wrong path.

In that moment, Wu wanting more than anything to not see another person he cares so deeply about fall into darkness, just as his brother did, just as Morro did. In wanting in that moment for Kai to not reach is True Potential, I think he was consciously or subconsciously wanting Kai to not have the option to be another Morro.

[nonbinarykai]

I mostly agree with this but I kinda disagree with Nya and Zane

I think I give nya a lot more leniency then the others because she had to grow up with the shared trauma of losing they’re parents with Kai. Her only emotional role model was also a child who didn’t know shit as well. So it makes sense that she struggles to deal with anyone’s emotional responses. It’s clear she does truly love Kai she just doesn’t know the right way to express that sometimes. Plus she’s not even there for the worst of it. I guarantee if she heard Lloyd calling Kai selfish or anything jay told him in s5 she would be throwing hands no question.

Zane on the other hand is a fucking menace.

Going over things not directly canon first. He drowned Kai, and he let Kai believe he was going to steal his body for the fun of it.

Now for things that are canon. He told Lloyd to not save Kai directly in front of him. He let Kai lead them the wrong direction for literal miles for no reason other than he can. He’s complicit in cole and jay always forcing choices onto Kai in s5 and then getting mad at him when he struggles with them.

Zane may not directly call Kai selfish but bro does NOT hesitate to throw Kai under the bus when needed

"Kai is not selfish, he is selfless". That's what my friend once said.

There were often phrases from other characters in the series that poked at Kai's selfish nature (which I've never seen?). Poked at the most unnecessary moment... "First you wanted to be the green ninja, now this. When will you start thinking of something other than yourself?" when Zane died. I'm still sure that Kai thought it would be better to lose him rather than the nindroid, but he was misunderstood. "You're just worried about yourself" when Lloyd almost died, but there were huge risks of losing all of their powers and then the whole of Ninjago. I noticed that all this shit follows him literally the entire series, almost right up to season 2 of dragon rising. It seems to me that only Zane didn't call him selfish (that's why I drew him standing aside with his hands down-). And what did everyone get for it? Kai regularly risked his life to save his teammates. They didn't get a bad response, but only "close the gate, don't worry about me."

Damn, even when Kai felt love and affection from his parents for the first time in many years... The only thing Nya said was, "I bet he loves being treated like a baby." Girl...

I'm sure that words don't go away without a trace. Perhaps they haunt him like some kind of ghosts of those who said this.

I want to talk about it, I want to remind you about it.

[nonbinarykai]

Kai’s a better man then me, if I was asked to be the one to speak at the funeral of the man who said this when I was about to die:

I would have brought a bomb