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trying to syscourse with people when you're truly trying to throw away the concept of punitive justice in your mind feels like i'm the person who has seen the sun and i'm trying to discuss that concept with people who are really invested in the shadows and really don't want to care about the sun.

anyways, i do think system communities would be safer as a whole if we abandon the concept of there being the Right Person to Throw Away Forever and the idea that there's a right person to dehumanize and harrass.

if you reblog this and ask me questions, i will answer them.

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stares at you so squirrel like with squirrelly intentions. 🐿

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can i have a nut? please? OnO

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Keep being squirrelly

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Idk in my experience it can create something that sounds like plurality (as it uses a plural framework) but doesn't have the headmate elaboration to actually create headmates (at least without outside work).

That being said, 100% agree with the rest of the post.

slightly hot take based on talking to some family very close to me. IFS therapy can result in parotraumagenic systems sometimes and is another very prominent form of created systems that doesn't get talked about. So actually fearmongering abt creating headmates to help with trauma is silly and we should be writing resources to help do it in a safe and beneficial way instead

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Syscourse can be so harmful for fictives.(not talking about factives here since we don't have any with known sources and we are talking about personal experience.) We've already had one too many we've had to have the talk of the internet will hate you for your source talk with. We've had a few that definitely would have been fakeclaimed for how quickly they formed if they hadn't changed their name before posting.

We've talked about how we were getting back into an old hyperfixation to try to lower dissociative barriers between us and fictives from that source and that source is being demonized now too. And we had already been careful about talking about the source(I think) as we knew there was a chance that was going to happen but we kept trying to convince ourselves it wasn't going to happen that it was safe to talk about that we should be celebrating and welcoming it.

But now officially demonized. Officially going to be potentially problematic to talk about. We will again be having a group of fictives wanting to front and have to discuss what they are comfortable with about presenting themselves online given how much hate they could get for it.

We just need to stop vilinizing sources and hyperfixations in general. We don't choose them. We don't control them. We want to feel safe to be ourselves online but not all of us are given that freedom and it's honestly scary. I want to see sources talked about with better care and not just something to throw under the bus for whatever reason. Fictives still have their own lives and their own feelings that should be respected.

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stigmatizing self harm helps no one, especially the ones who do self harm and have an addiction to it.

people put so much immense shame on those who self harm, and push forward ideas that they need to go cold turkey as "harm reduction isn't a thing, it's just another form of enabling".

i think we all truly need to destigmatize self harm and actually do actions to help people. which isnt going to be the same methods used in the War on Drugs but in a leftist paint. you may moralize your actions to yourself but the impact still genuinely isn't helping people in the long term.

if you're reading this and you self harm? you're not a monster. you are inherently a person with worth and value, no matter how you self harm. even if you've been self harming for a long time. and i genuinely hope you will achieve a future in which you don't need to rely on this to fulfill your needs.

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Saying this because I feel I need to get this off my chest.

I don't really care too much that people are harassing dria. Like, obviously, two wrongs don't make a right, but I can understand the anger and don't really blame people for acting on it.

I'm only gonna really respond to shit that rubs up against our trauma. So don't expect me to post a lot on the whole situation

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CH4T W1LL0G3NS H4V3 TH3 STR0NG3ST D3D1C4T10N 3V3R LIK3.. CR34T1NG W0RLDS 4ND B31NGS FR0M SCR4TCH 1S S0 C00L

K33P 1T UP W1LL0G3NS! Y0U GUYS 4R3 4M4Z1NG 4ND SUP3R C00L!!

[pt: Chat willogens have the strongest dedication ever like.. Creating worlds and beings from scratch is so cool

Keep it up willogens! you guys are amazing and super cool!! endpt:]

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SYSTEMS FROM ALL ACROSS THE GLOBE ARE UNEQUIVOCALLY AND UTTERLY FUCKING BASED ‼️‼️‼️

systems who struggle to find words for their experiences in their native language(s), those who coin terms in their native language(s), who have suffered (or even formed headmates) due to racism, colonialism, and generational trauma, who look out the window and wonder if there are others like them, who are from countries where neurodivergence and mental illness are heavily stigmatised, whose culture is heavily intertwined with their plurality...

YOU. ARE. NEVER. ALONE!!! ALL OF YOUR VOICES DESERVE TO BE UPLIFTED AND HEARD AND RESPECTED 🗣️🗣️🗣️ INTERSECTIONALITY IS RAD AS HELL!!! WE'LL MAKE IT THROUGH, IT IS INEVITABLE 🐦‍🔥🔥💯

[plain text: systems from all across the globe are unequivocally and utterly fucking based!

systems who struggle to find words for their experiences in their native language(s), those who coin terms in their native language(s), who have suffered (or even formed headmates) due to racism, colonialism, and generational trauma, who look out the window and wonder if there are others like them, who are from countries where neurodivergence and mental illness are heavily stigmatised, whose culture is heavily intertwined with their plurality...

You. Are. Never. Alone! All of your voices deserve to be uplifted and heard and respected 🗣️🗣️🗣️ Intersectionality is rad as hell! We’ll make it through, it is inevitable 🐦‍🔥🔥💯 end PT]

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Willos aren't always formed without trauma. For example, a system might intentionally create a headmate to deal with trauma, making that headmate both traumagenic and willogenic.

While there is significant overlap in willogenic systems who are also endogenic and willogenic systems absolutely belong in endogenic spaces if that's where they best fit, there's also more nuance to be had.

H3Y! 1'M BLUUDUD! AND 1 TH1NK 3ND0S AND W1LL0S 4R3 TH3 S4M3!

TH3 D3F1N1T1ON 0F 3ND0G3N1C 1S "4 SYST3M F0RM3D W1TH0UT TR4UM4". W1LL0G3N1C SYST3MS 4R3 4LS0 F0RM3D W1TH0UT TR4UM4!

1F 4N 4NT1-W1LL0 T3LLS Y0U 4NY D1FFR3NT, SCR3W TH3M!

W1LL0G3N1CS W1LL 4LW4YS B3 W3LC0M3 1N TH3 3ND0 C0MMUN1TY!

[pt: Hey! I'm bluudud! And I think Endos and Willos are the same!

The definition of endogenic is a "system formed without trauma." Willogenic Systems are also formed without trauma!

If an anti-willo tells you different, screw them!

Willogenics will always be welcome in the endo community! endpt:]

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I don't fucking care anymore. You're goddamn disgusting. Grow up.

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Cool. You can have system accountability without creating false stories about someone's state of mind. System accountability would be the people who have blocked and distanced themselves from dria. Or recognizing that despite struggling, she still hurt a ton of people. What isn't system accountability is whatever this narrative about a malious singlet who goes out to harm people but sometimes feels bad about it.

Honestly the worst part about Dria is that I know that on some level she knows she's in the wrong. Most serial harassers I've had the displeasure of interacting with built god complexes. But Dria occasionally gets a moment of clarity, even when partially coerced. "I need to take accountability" is still written in big letters on her blog. She is capable of thinking the thought. And yet she still decides not to follow through.

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Not liking any of syscourse topics today

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What are you talking about? From their posts on the matter, it's very clear that she's trying to manage a persecutor acting out of insecurity. Stop making false narratives about a situation that already has precise reasons laid out.

Honestly the worst part about Dria is that I know that on some level she knows she's in the wrong. Most serial harassers I've had the displeasure of interacting with built god complexes. But Dria occasionally gets a moment of clarity, even when partially coerced. "I need to take accountability" is still written in big letters on her blog. She is capable of thinking the thought. And yet she still decides not to follow through.

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People really don't get that having a CDD involves so much denial, especially a denial of trauma. You grow up not knowing anything different and assume what you went through is normal even when it was very obviously detrimental to you. Admitting something fucked you up is hard, especially when you have people ready with every excuse to tell you that's just the way things are.

Idk I don't think people really think about it all that much.

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Fair. I was worried cause you know endogenic systems deserve a space where they can feel safe and secure.

Taking a dive into some pro endo servers with a friend, trying to see if we can fully pinpoint what about them makes us so uncomfortable. We'll take a bunch of notes, feel free to ask us questions, and if yall see us in these servers, just know we aren't there to cause any trouble, we're there in good faith and will be nice I promise :3

-Milkyway

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Are you ready to shut the fuck up about fakeclaiming suicide? Cause you're telling actual suicidal people that if you actually commit over syscourse people won't believe you and drag your name an entire year after your death. Jesus fucking christ

So are we ready to stop playing pretend and accept that system-facts never actually died, or?

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They're usually just referred to as sexual alters. But yeah, they are absolutely a thing that's talked about in plural spaces.

This may be a bit on the nose or something but like- so there's holders, right? And holders can be holders of basically anything. You know what we don't see? Sexuality holders, if they even exist by that name. Alters who hold *those* sorts of feelings that don't quite fall into anything else. It would be nice to see it officially coined or something but we're nervous to do it ourselves, so if someone else would be willing to and we could let know what we actually mean by this if needed maybe...? No pressure it's just on our mind, thinking about it to maybe help an alter currently not in front but who might fit that