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swag and also pog

seeing the anti endo version of headmate pack blogs (usually framed as like... help a fragment) slowly rise in numbers has been quite interesting. so!

a headmate pack, or "build a headmate" blog, is a blog designed to write bios for potential headmates to use as a source. it is used by willomancers to assist in willomancy, it is used by traumagenic systems to help with splits and fragment elaboration, and so on and so forth. the expected headmate is not expected to be perfectly like the pack, as the pack is moreso a rough outline that many different systems can use.

the anti endo variant, "help a fragment", is moreso aimed at helping fragments elaborate and helping traumagenic systems influence splits that are already in motion.

now that definitions are out of the way,

what do YOU think of these blogs, dear reader? feel free to leave your thoughts and commentary on this very post!

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tag pro-willogenics and created systems and say directly that they're pro-created systems. it'd be helpful to know if they're a "radendo" or "pro-willo". you know. for… blocking purposes :)

Should createds content be considered unreality? Sometimes it feels like it should.

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Referring to endos as "wolves" and traumagens as "sheep" is the exact reason I hate anti endos.

Endos are not predators that seek out to destroy traumagenic systems. Anti endos, however, seem to invalidate and over-define those they deem to not be real out of existence or at least attempt to. It is, however, a brilliant representation of the self-victimisation that anti-endos do while having an ideology based in the exclusion and invalidation of the experiences of others.

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i know i basically just reiterated the same points in that last post but still important to remember that none of us can know what's inside someone else's brain. you can't tell if someone else is plural 100%, nor can you say they aren't plural at all. it goes both ways. we're not mind readers.

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i think also assuming plurality based on simple vague descriptions of stuff like "hears voices" is probably gonna lead to misinterpretations, like seeing an ADHD person's hyperactive mind as actually separate people/parts, instead of it just being one person/part with a mind that has too many trains of thought.

also something something "even if they may fall under the definition of plural, you can't force them to use that label since plural is an identity word and people pick their own identity words that they identify with, not just what you think they should call themself/selves".

Idk man but uh don't just tell people they're plural based off one thing they said. That's odd.

Like I'm sorry but no, having multiple voices in your head doesn't automatically make you a system, or even plural at all. That's a common trait of ADHD, not definitive proof of plurality.

-Toby

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there's a HUGE difference between multiple voices with senses of self, and multiple trains of thought, which are separated only by topic or concept, and not by any self identity or anything. if you have "multiple voices" as in "multiple self conscious identity states", that's NOT a symptom of ADHD, at ALL. if you get multiple trains of thought, or random thoughts, but they are still your thoughts, then that's not plurality, that's more ADHD like. that's not "multiple voices" though.

Idk man but uh don't just tell people they're plural based off one thing they said. That's odd.

Like I'm sorry but no, having multiple voices in your head doesn't automatically make you a system, or even plural at all. That's a common trait of ADHD, not definitive proof of plurality.

-Toby

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willogenic systems are exciting!!!!!!!

“You use too many exclamation points”

You don’t use enough!!!!!

the world is exciting!!!!! Be excited!!!!

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people will report posts for "tag spam" if they have slightly unrelated tags on them but then ignore the blatant tag spam Some Accounts like to do for "boosting engagement to help with mutual aid".

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isn't it... for like, insurance purposes?

like, so people who actually need to get surgery for their dysphoria can get insurance help with that? that's why people don't want it removed, since it does help those with medical needs.

there's a difference between exclusively treating transgender identity as the "gender dysphoria disorder", and acknowledging that there are those who have disordered gender dysphoria that need medical attention like hormones and surgery.

there are trans people who don't have that dysphoria (or otherwise can handle their dysphoria through things not related to surgery or hormones) but the point is, is that trans people exist on a spectrum?

gender dysphoria as a medical disorder doesn't invalidate people who need that gender affirming care, it actually helps i'm pretty sure? because insurance shit? not to "discriminate and block people from getting healthcare", but to point out that it IS important?

The thing people forget about the whole sysmed transmed comparison… the diagnosis that transmeds cling to, the official diagnosis of gender dysphoria? Yeah that was literally only made to discriminate against trans people and block as many as possible from gender affirming care.

Not really equivalent to CDDs

That's a good point tbh. Though I'm sure many pro endos would say that CDDs exist for the same reason, which is eugh.

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i find it a lil comical that aspens newest video on their baawoof is about how they dont wish death on anyone and would never tell a proshipper to kill themselves, but then the video directly before that is "i hope everyone i hurt is dying!!!"

like... okay so youre cool with wishing all these people are dead except the proshippers. interesting. k.

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thinkin about it, the people who want to make plurality and systemhood so different DO kinda remind me of those transmeds who wanted to coin "xenoidentities" to differentiate xenogenders from "real trans people".

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oh the post was worse than i remembered from earlier

"xenogenders aren't making a mockery of trans people!"

"pro trans ideas help fight anti-queer bigotry"

"what nonbinary people identify as doesn't affect you!"

"you don't know another queer persons experiences better than they do"

"why do you care if a cis person uses "weird pronouns", it's their choice!"

comparing these sentiments would only be important if endogenic experiences were comparable to radqueer ideas and experiences, and you could go "this is harmful like this other thing, and they're encouraging the harm in these ways". but just using these quotes is like. that can go for any group

"furries aren't making a mockery of otherkin!"

"trans people aren't making a mockery of gay people!"

and so on.

"Transautistics aren't making a mockery of autism!" = "Endos aren't making a mockery of systems!" "Radqueer ideas help fight all sorts of bigotry" = "Pro endo ideas help fight anti-system rhetoric" "What Trasrace people do/identify as doesn't affect you!" = "What endogenics do/identify as doesn't affect you!" "You don't know a Transabled person's experiences better than they do!" = "You don't know an endo's experiences better than they do!" "Why do you care if a Tramsharmed does something dangerous, it's their choice!" = "Why do you care if a willo makes a headmate, it's their choice!"

I'm just saying, pro endos talk a lot about how we have very similar logic to transmeds, meanwhile they make arguments that are near identical to radqueer arguments.

These are all arguments I've heard from both radqueers and endos, having been in quite a few of both spaces just to see if I was wrong about either.

Note: I'm not by any means saying that pro endos are "basically radqueers". Trust me, one is significantly worse in ever possible way, and I assure you it's not the endos that are the most dangerous. I've seen plenty of both, and know better than anyone that saying they're basically the same thing is extremely ignorant of what actually goes on in both communities.

I'm just trying to get people to talk about this in a more nuanced way. If pro endos can talk about how similar we are to transmeds, we can talk about their similarities with radqueers. Seriously, can we PLEASE talk about this in a more nuanced way than "Anti endos = transmeds!! EVIL!!!!" This isn't as airtight of an argument as yall think it is.

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yall r gonna freak when you find out radqueers are also often pro trans

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they can't even stick to their own rules...

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I MEAN IDK ABOUT THE FIRST PART BUT "FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS" IS LIKE A VERY HIM THING TO SAY. THAT'S HIS WHOLE SCHTICK

today's guest: @ratinacoat

Day 18: Can you tell me the name of one doctor who is anti-endo?

asking every day until either i get an answer that satisfies the criteria below, or everyone blocks me

this doctor must:

have a PhD or equivalent in a psych field

believe in the existence and validity of complex dissociative disorders such as DID

have made a statement where i can access via a provided hyperlink, preferably in a peer-reviewed paper

explicitly state that CDDs are the only way to experience being multiple for a prolonged period of time

Today's reading: 

Gabbard's Treatments of Psychiatric Disorders, 5th Edition, Part V: Dissociative Disorders and Trauma- and Stressor-Related Disorders (2014)

Mentions of non-disordered multiple identity: 0

Statistics:

5 named doctors 4 psych doctors 4 DID supporters 1 hyperlink 0 anti-endos

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belief doesn't dictate reality and facts don't care about feelings.

i know you absolutely did not intend to mirror ben shapiro there but my lord. the same language.

today's guest: @ratinacoat

Day 18: Can you tell me the name of one doctor who is anti-endo?

asking every day until either i get an answer that satisfies the criteria below, or everyone blocks me

this doctor must:

have a PhD or equivalent in a psych field

believe in the existence and validity of complex dissociative disorders such as DID

have made a statement where i can access via a provided hyperlink, preferably in a peer-reviewed paper

explicitly state that CDDs are the only way to experience being multiple for a prolonged period of time

Today's reading: 

Gabbard's Treatments of Psychiatric Disorders, 5th Edition, Part V: Dissociative Disorders and Trauma- and Stressor-Related Disorders (2014)

Mentions of non-disordered multiple identity: 0

Statistics:

5 named doctors 4 psych doctors 4 DID supporters 1 hyperlink 0 anti-endos