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Bertesca Family Plot Dumpster Fire

It is a rainy day and I see a lot of people compare Bertesca family which is a game-canon family to the Simon and sum it up after years long of seeing Bertesca is a better family than Simon I think I will wage a flag now: the plot of this family is fucking stupid and the family is a big malfunctioning plot device.

I think that opening is enough for a warning but i will put warning because fandom etiquette: long rant. Very long rant. Diss a lot. I am not even done but it is too long. I don't rant in order.

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Okay let’s sum up the game plot a little bit. I copy from Wikipedia fandom for quick sum-up:

“The story takes place at the Vongola Base, where Tsuna is training with Basil. Suddenly, a young man named Gelaro introduces himself as the Vongola guardian of Snow from the Bertesco Family, they appear before Tsuna and the others and managed to freeze all the Vongola Rings with his Snow Ring power and states that if Tsuna wants to melt the frozen Vongola Rings, he must go to Catafalco Island in Italy where Gelaro and his family will be waiting for them.”

And later the game is basically about Tsuna gang fighting the Bertesca and then fight the bad guy and then being friend again.

And information about the Bertesca family, again thank to Wikipedia for saving me time of my life just by copy-paste button:

“Founded by a close friend of Giotto, the Bertesca Primo, the Bertesca Famiglia was a close ally to the Vongola Famiglia. Both Famiglias' first generation members worked together to keep peace among their respective towns, until Parvento wreaked havoc, causing both Famiglias multiple problems. Unable to completely defeat Parvento, both the Bertesca Primo and Giotto sealed away Parvento by freezing him entirely with Zero Point Breakthrough: First Edition.

To keep Parvento frozen forever, they created the Vongola Snow Ring, which was the key of the seven crystals scattered throughout the island that kept Parvento frozen permanently. Each crystals were placed inside a temple that guarded by seven main members of Bertesca Famiglia (excluding Bertesca boss who is guarding the frozen Parvento). The only way to free Parvento was to freeze the original Vongola Rings with the Vongola Snow Ring and have the frozen rings unfreeze by destroying the seven crystals that connected to the island's ice spikes. To do so would require the same type of Flame that sealed Parvento, the Sky Flame.

In order to prevent Parvento's seal from being destroyed, the Bertesca Primo decided that he and his Famiglia, along with the villagers of the island, would stay on Catafalco Island to protect the seal and to prevent Parvento's tyranny from arising once more, thus cutting off their connection with the main civilization and the Vongola. Ever since then, the Bertesca Famiglia and the residents of Catafalco Island diligently protected the seal from one generation to the next.

This decision made the Bertesca Famiglia a pariah of the Mafia world and were thus persecuted by other mafia Famiglias due to their isolation on the island and their subsequent weakening, but never forget their main duty to protect the villagers and prevent Parvento from being revived again. Several years before the main storyline of the game, things started to change when Gelaro's father was killed during one of the persecutions, leaving Gelaro distraught and orphaned. In the middle of his grief, he came across the frozen Parvento during his walk to the underground part of his mansion. Recognizing Gelaro as Bertesca Family' successor, he manipulated him to think that the Vongola was the cause of their weakness, that Vongola Primo only used them as a stepping stone, and that the only way to wipe out Vongola was to free him from his frozen state. As Parvento had hoped, Gelaro then decided to seek revenge on Vongola and convinced his remaining Famiglia members to fight against the Vongola and to free Parvento, not knowing what had actually occurred between the Bertesca and the Vongola and Parvento's evil intentions.”

Just drop the chapters for a side right for now, I just want to sum up for tl;dr for this plot: This is fucking cheap stupid drama fueled by idiotic decisions from characters and lazy plotting.

Let’s talk about the Primo gen. One thing I kinda notice from anime or any not-manga-canon material that isn’t written by Amano Akira sensei (who is smart enough to write him vague to leave us bareland and do not stumble on this stupid cheap drama plot holes) is that somehow those material is very successful in making Primo gen STUPID.

“…. Unable to completely defeat Parvento, both the Bertesca Primo and Giotto sealed away Parvento by freezing him entirely with Zero Point Breakthrough: First Edition.

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In order to prevent Parvento's seal from being destroyed, the Bertesca Primo decided that he and his Famiglia, along with the villagers of the island, would stay on Catafalco Island to protect the seal and to prevent Parvento's tyranny from arising once more, thus cutting off their connection with the main civilization and the Vongola.”

I mean, seriously, who write this, because this sound like who ever write this was at the middle of snorting white powder on the roof of a high-speed bullet train when suddenly they received a phone call demanding them to make the cheapest drama ever and they followed through.

“In order to prevent Parvento’s seal from being destroyed”, the leader of the family decides to stay on the island and thus cutting off connection to the world?

What kind of leader can think of this idiotic decision and what sort of drug the whole village use to nominate that person their leader?

Why to prevent a seal from being destroyed, you must cut connection to the world? What is the relationship between those two decisions? Like honestly what about separate your family into two parts, one protecting the seal while one going outside do the job? What prevents you from going outside? Holy seven flames of Sky do you just look at the Simon family? Do they got persecuted? Yes. Do that stop them from going outside? God many will say the Simon stays on the island please FUCKING READ THE MANGA. Enma’s dad is an art dealer who goes outside enough to leave traces for Vongola, all the guardians’ family is persecuted in VONGOLA’S ALLIES’ TERRITORY. They goddamn travel around people! And lmao Bertesca Primo whoever you are you don’t even need to play dead and stay in cognito like some suicidal redhead Primo. It is like you have one mission and to do that you decide to isolate your family to the other world. Heck Vindice is also jailer too and they do not do thing to this extreme.

Bravo this decision leading to your own family got weakening, being shunned and persecuted. The Bertesca must be all blind or also stupid to agree to this decision. Only need 7 people plus the boss to protect the seal but the whole family needs to be hikikomori for life and is hated for that. Real fuck.

Round the boat back to Giotto because how the scriptwriter manages to make him this stupid is above my understanding. Or well, stupid and ungrateful. For specific.

For stupid part I will add in the Besterca Primo in this and for real this brain needs to be studied by WHO because it doesn’t function. Why, why the fuck both of you decided to seal a man way forever and also THINK OF A WAY TO FREE HIM?

What the hell does the Snow Ring even do because you have Zero Point being the seal? Why the heck did you two create them and okay let’s take it as the Bertesca needs a symbol of power so the boss created the ring, WHY THE HECK does it have to link with the very jail you decided to imprison people? See the logic here, the Snow Ring is “the key of the seven crystals scattered throughout the island that kept Parvento frozen permanently” aka the lock; also the Snow Ring can freeze Vongola Rings and to unfreeze the rings Vongola needs to destroy 7 crystal gem which aka the unlocking process? What kind of mechanic magic is this? Who designed this can you just stop at the lock part not the start of unlocking part?

(Let’s not even bring up Vongola Rings are part of Trinnisette systems and it brings up what the hell do Vongola Rings have to do with this? Why all the process starts by freezing them? They are not even part of the seal. The part of the seal is SKY FLAME, not Vongola Rings.)

And heck WHY, WHY did you pass it down? Take the Simon as role model and fucking bury it. You decided to close off your family regardless of their fate tumbling down the abyss anyways. Why did you have to hold onto your cheap metal piece of pride and pass it down cross-generations? When you want to imprison someone forever you LOCK THE CELL AND THROW THE KEY AWAY not PASS DOWN THE KEY you idiot!

Which leads to the current situation of the game plot. I call this karma of continuous bad brainless decisions. Hypothetically speaking, the game plot would not happen, the Vongola rings would not be frozen and 7 chapters fighting will not happen if someone just THROW THE RINGS AWAY. I am very generous for not asking them to shatter their family pride because okay pride. But bury them? Hide them? Not let them be visible to a bunch of people who is so fucking depressed due to the consequence of your action?

I am repeating the stupid word so many times but it’s fact.

And now I would not put the blame on Giotto because time flies but goddamit Vongola in this world is either ungrateful or ignorant as fuck. Or both. Because Giotto and Bertesca Primo both took part in sealing Parvento but somehow Giotto stayed silent at the very stupid closing-off decision of Bertesca Primo. I refuse to acknowledge this is the same man who literally shout in disbelief trying to stop Simon Cozzato going into shadow (for a much understandable reason even).

Okay maybe in the game we have that scene (though I doubt it lmao what kind of reason Bertesca Primo can give to logicalize this?) then like, what the hell Vongola is doing? Bertesca takes the responsibility to imprison a prisoner that was BOTH their and your enemy but Bertesca being persecuted and Vongola doesn’t give a fuck? Giotto helps build the prison system and no tales about it? If Vongola pays Bertesca a single visit every few decades it would’ve maintained ties, checked on the seal, reestablished purpose and trust, and the Bertesca may not suffered because Vongola still actively maintains a relationship with them (which they should), but here we got radio silence when the Bertesca is persecuted to orphan up to the next boss in line – a child too.

The Bertesca don’t even got the false rumour like the Simon “acting on their own” and Vongola doesn’t give any helping hand despite the Bertesca is literally an ally sealing once was Vongola’s enemy. Peak level of ungratefulness. That’s either gross negligence, narrative laziness, or both.

One note applaud for Parvento. People think Daemon Spade is the biggest manipulator of this series? Well apparently Daemon runs Parvento already soars. High and big. The Bertesca is persecuted, suffered and hurt due to their own ancestor’s decision. No lmao there is not even any battlefield that needs support here, the Bertesca Primo lived long and prospher. The Bertesca is persecuted by their own leader’s stupid decision and somehow our man Parvento manages to talks Gelaro down into believing this is Vongola’s fault. Virgin Daemon has to roleplay Iemitsu to kill whole Enma’s family. Gigachad Parvento only needs to use word and somehow gets Gelaro to go full Armageddon mode.

He does it when being sealed in Zero Point Breakthrough Ice. For century. Xanxus you weak ass come over here and see. Everyone applauds for this man, he manages to keep his mind consious for century being in ice, not to mention his mind is sane enough to recognize the child before him is descendant of someone who sealed him century ago (I bet the blame is on the goddam Snow Ring) and manipulate him into go against, alright check note, the strongest the biggest the most powerful the Vongola at that time. 

I really want to sympathize with Gelaro. Honestly I really want to. But god this plot makes that not a challenge but a impossible mission. Gelaro has the rings – the weapons. Gelaro doesn’t need to unlock that weapon by some heirloom of other family. What Gelaro needs to do is fucking step out there and works business and gathers force like any leader need to do when their family runs out of resource. What Gelaro really does? Waging war and playing victim. Heck give me a justified reason like Enma with the Sin aka power limitation at least.

Whoever in charge of educating the Bertesca children should really take a boat and sail to Simon island for a better development in your career. I thought the Simon’s history record is poor but god proves me wrong there is a much poorer record right here. Gelaro doesn’t even know what is the name of the prisoner he and his whole family is supposed to keep in seal and why does he need to jail him. Simon at least got a twisted history lesson. The Simon doesn’t even keep a definitely-not-human-anymore-Parvento entity that promises to wreak havoc. The Bertesca does and not a single one of them know anything. Okay Gelaro doesn’t know because he lost his father. Game plotter, you are telling me the whole village’s descendants do not know about it too? The remaining Bertesca members go along with Gelaro’s revenge plan and none of them know what happened either. No “Hey boss, maybe don’t trigger the chain reaction that releases the ancient evil our ancestors sealed?” What kind of education do you all receive?

(Don’t bring Daemon into the category of definitely-not-human-anymore entity  this because he literally haunted the Vongola for at least to Daniela’s time then suddenly ran to the Simon. He is not Simon’s responsibility, not even a shared one.)

Okay, I shouldn’t come down hard on Gelaro, he is just a teen. Adults older than him, no limit on power, also seem not own a smart enough brain to just step out there and works. They runs on autopilot of seperating themselves and bearing suffers like scrapped medals. I don’t know how this can work.

But like, the game is really trying to tell us that a century-old duty, a sacred family tradition, can be completely undone by one grieving teen who didn’t get the family history. I blame it on the stupid prison system, this family leaves the supposed strongest and most important figure aka boss near Parvento with zero supervision.

If Enma is a tragedy of legacy twisted into hate, Gelaro is a tragedy of bad historical records and no contingency planning. The Simon Famiglia is a tragic cautionary tale of what happens when history is manipulated. The Bertesca Famiglia is a plot convenience held together by every character doing the worst possible job at their responsibilities.

And I seem to be too hard on the rush ending of Inheritance arc. Enma and the Simon being friends with Tsuna’s gang again after beating them part, I had thought that was peak of rushing backstage relationship development. Game comes out and I know I’ve never been so wrong before. Because here this is literally what we have: a bunch of kids coming out of nowhere, attack you freeze your weapon make you fight them and boom in the end they are ally again like nothing happen.

We don’t even have the transfer students daily silly part. See my point?

Tl,dr again: The plot is basically “You two must fight, even at the cost of the whole's world's IQ dropping to lower than Zero Point's temperature” to Tsuna. Boy can’t catch a break. I am very worry for his future with ally like this.

Yes goddamit the Bertesca is canon in Vongola 77 I can’t even-

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Consider the basic logic is TYL Tsuna destroying rings, which is supposed to be the main weapon in the TYL time, which means he destroys weapon in the time of a war when his family is attacked. In one hand, he is preventing bloodshed, but in other hand, he leaves them weaponless to the world which make the situation more dangerous to them.

This leads to me thinking about the way adult Hibari and Gokudera fights in the TYL. One collecting bunch of rings (that can't withstand him and will break after used) and one develops a whole weapon system of boxes and rings aka system C.A.I. Both are heavily dependent on rings, and like yeah 180 and 590 are strong no doubt, but what i am wondering is is this their own way to cope with the fact that Vongola rings, their supposed weapon, are destroyed, so they have to fight other rings to use?

OKAY OKAY. YALL SIT WITH ME HERE. PUT ON THE DELUSION GLASSES AND SIT DOWN WITH ME IN THE DELULU CIRCLE OF DREAMS. It's time I share it with the class and hope that it haunts you guys just as much as it haunts me.

For a year now, I've had this theory about Non-trinisette. (Shout-out to my girlypop friend Ketchup who was performing witchcraft with me when we were screaming at each other trying to understand Arco lore, also known as trinisette lore.)

Essentially, we are led to believe that Non-trinisette is an effect that Byakuran produced in order to kill the Arcobaleno with in TYL arc. And while I believe that he did absolutely use non-trinisette to his advantage, I don't actually believe he created it. The reason I'm led to believe is that there's this really strange scene that we never call back too in the series between Giannini and Lal Mirch where Lal Mirch tells Tsuna and Co that Byakuran created the non-trinisette effect in order to do what he did. And Giannini, ODDLY, responds with "Well, we don't actually have concrete evidence, it's most likely connected but we don't actually know the origin of Non-trinisette.." and Lal interrupts all of them by reminding them that the arco were killed by the millefiore. Kusakabe even says the same that his and Hibari's investigations were also inconclusive. That bugs me, bc what do you mean?? They never go back to this. And so, sit with me here.

We know that trinisette is 7 rocks that basically hold the balance of the world within them. We know that removing a portion of them would be dangerous and hence why there were sacrifices to maintain the pacifiers. We know that Byakuran in all the timelines never "properly" won, because he was always missing one key factor because Yuni kept the pacifiers hidden or would kill herself in every timeline where he killed too many innocents.

And to that, I say, what's missing in the TYL timeline? It's the Vongola Rings. One third of Trinisette. Tsuna destroys them when people started stealing rings from each other when boxes became the new technology used in the Mafia. He wanted to prevent bloodshed, so he destroyed them. I know a lot of us believe that Kawahira said that the Vongola rings and mare rings don't interest him/are less important, but I have not once seen that line again since I looked for it in my multiple rereads of rainbow. And it's never made sense to me why the Vongola rings and the Mare rings are less important. They're all the same rocks just divided into 21 pieces.

So what this would register as is that Tsuna destroyed the Vongola Rings and caused non-trinisette to spread across the country (World?). Byakuran would have learned to control this with his knowledge from his Parallel world knowledge, but never made it. (This adds up because he knows about other trinisette related effects, because by forcing Tsuna to fight Ghost he manipulates their pieces to all resonate with each other and bring Yuni to him.)

But the biggest thing that strikes me as odd and adds to my theory is that for Choice, Byakuran offers to transport them to a place with no non-trinisette (in order for Reborn to be present) And in order for them to go to this place without non-trinisette?? They have to shove millions of Fiamma Volts to be transported into the machine. They offer flames to go to somewhere without non-trinisette.

Everytime the Vongola rings are mentioned throughout future, they are a hope. They are to remedy what the TYL generation couldn't do themselves. TYL Tsuna brought them here to bring down Byakuran, but more importantly to revert everything Byakuran had caused including the Arcobaleno. So, they could have a good future to return too. To remedy HIS mistake. There's another point to make too that Reborn asks Kawahira why he disappeared in the future, and Kawahira answers that it's because he knew that the Shaman (Yuni) would sacrifice herself to revert everything Byakuran did. Otherwise, he would have moved on his own and did something. Since trinisette was no longer in balance...yall...

So yeah, how about that.. Tsuna is allegedly the cause of death for Reborn and the other Arcobaleno. And so with all six guardians collected, all the Vongola rings are back together...and then they made their attack. Yall i feel ill. TYL Tsuna makes me so.. He was trying to prevent bloodshed..and doomed everyone around him while doing so..

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Thing about KHR that i think a lot forget is how Tsuna experiences roundly about 11-12 years in a normal relationship with his dad, since Iemitsu just leaves home for 2 years counted to the Varia arc. Mafia stuff fucks this relationship up but not to the point of no coming back.

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This make me truly wonder how major of this fandom view of dad working as soldier or undercover cop.

(especially when the standard compared for dad title is Reborn)

guys. please. iemitsu was a bad father. not a bad worker or person or even husband. even then, he wasn't really a bad father, just one who wasn't there or knew how to be a good dad

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1. Ah okay I do forget for a moment that yes to acquire a gun we need legal registration. I tend to forget that part, because this is basically a magical girl show with magical rainbow flame weapons and also a mafia-based setting that somehow got teenagers and a child bringing tons of dynamite and bombs with them around the town, so legal registration to acquire firearms just flew over my head.

But yeah, if we go down the path that Makoto acquired the firearm like a normal not-KHR logic, then it will take only a day max to track him out, even given that he didn’t acquire a gun in a normal shop but black market shop.

Still, I don’t think he is just “some art dealer”. As right after that when seeing the Flood of Blood incident with Makoto’s bullet on the screen, Iemitsu “removed” them. Why would he hide such important proof for a case, a case when his own subordinates were killed, if Makoto is just “some art dealer”? There is absolutely no reason for Iemitsu knowing that, especially when he is not behind the whole Kozato’s massacre. Like if he is truly behind that we can deduce that Iemitsu removes Makoto’s bullets to investigate on his own and then personally takes revenge on the Kozato family, but Iemitsu DID NOT kill the Kozato. So why would Iemitsu remove Makoto’s bullet on the screen here, if Makoto is just “some art dealer”?

Okay above is totally my delusional thought over the history, please ignore it? But yeah it definitely shows that Makoto is travelling around.

2. While I agree with you that there is a time when Simon members leave the island, I however do not agree that the island is abandoned any time. Abandoned for the bigger part of the island, yes. But in chapter 309 and 314, the Simon 10th family is shown to stay in a pretty decent house if not even saying extravagant with the furniture. Not to mention how in such good condition the underground castle showed to be. So I don’t think Simon just leaves the island and once in a while comes back to check up on Primo's grave. I think there are still some members staying on the island in regard the still-good condition of some households on the island.

On this topic, the rings are in the grave, however it is shown in manga that acquiring the ring is NOT the only way to decide the next boss of a family. Only Vongola is shown with this tradition. Cavallone doesn’t, Giglo Nero using a pacifier (and actually the pacifier is more like transfering the curse to the next kid than accepting them as a boss). Vongola rings are also THE ONLY RING WERE SHOWED that has the blood seal aka DNA test and the ring trial to disprove of the next boss. So no, by the story ring is maybe a means to decide the next boss of the family, but it is not THE ONLY way to decide the next boss. So Simon can go full CEDEF-way and picks the next boss through human choosing.

Really the first and foremost use of the ring (with no DNA test like Vongola rings) is to be the symbol of power aka showcase who is the boss of the family to the outsiders, which, very depend on whether the family or the boss wanting to show to the world this is the person in charge or not. (Frankly with how Enma debut walking behind Adel and hides the ring under his shirt, I’m very doubt he has the want to show to the world he is in power)

About Simon family adults having “unfortunate accidents”, the only thing I can agree on is that Vongola doesn’t know about Simon's situation. But no I don’t think Simon is persecuted WITHOUT the intention of harm. By Vongola allies or by Daemon hand or not, they are absolutely being treated with harm intention. It is shown in Aoba and Rauji’s flashback, Aoba carries Enma with various injuries when they are both children and Rauji literally got his parents die in front of him. I don’t think any treatment, having no intention of harm whatsoever, can orphaned up to 7 children. I don’t put all the blame on Vongola allies because maybe Daemon is behind it, but no you can’t kill all the adults of a family and leave 7 orphans behind then say there is no malice behind my action.

And really we are talking about Nono and the Vongola 9th. No offense here, but this is the same ceremony holder that literally doesn’t interfere a bit when the Simon BOSS is beaten up RIGHT IN their ceremony. Imagine you are a party holder and your guest punches another person which is also your guest, you literally HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY to interfere or having a guard interfere in. But no, no one from the current family stepped in and the matter is only dealt with by Tsuna. Tsuna temporarily has no relation with the current Vongola family. So no the only information brought by the Vongola 9th that is valuable here is how Simon 10th gen are all orphans. If Vongola 9th doesn’t even interfere with an outright banter right in their ceremony, then no their word of concluding “there is no intention of harm” or “there is no persecution” is not counted here. Because technically they KNOW NOTHING, if not even more bluntly and cruelly saying that they deliberately ignore the situation until there is a mess happened. I have nothing against Vongola 9th but I absolutely do not trust their attitude over Simon matter especially after the ceremony event.

About Simon doesn’t operate in a normal mafia famiglia way, well, I agree. But I don’t think passing the title of boss is not a big deal for them. Judging how the 10th gen treats Enma, yes Aoba calls him weak, yes Julie (Daemon) calls him pathetic, yes Adel scolds him, but not a single one time they outright disrespect his title if not saying they respect the Simon Decimo title. Rauji literally calls him a good boss (better than Tsuna), Shitt.P feels gratitude that she is a member of Simon after Enma trying to save her from Vindice, Adel absolutely trusts in Enma’s duty to fight as a boss. If passing the title is not a big deal for the Simon, really, Adel would be the boss of the family here, not Enma. But no everyone needs to wait for Enma’s resolution to take down Vongola to act (hence the letter scene) and Adel has to persuade Enma into testing Tsuna instead of disregarding his concern over not wanting revenge. Really the letter scene shows it well, yes the Simon operates in a very chaotic way, yes there is even someone else not owning the Earth element yet appear so leader-ly and is considered the heart of the family, but Enma is the one with the final say in the important matter regarding the family. So technically the boss title is still a respectable title here, which makes the matter of passing it down to WHO is also an important matter.

3. And yeah the most obvious bet is Giotto named Vongola after the Vongola rings and Sepira sees the future and likes his characteristics so she chooses him. The Primo time is basically bare land, bug in a jar waiting to be shaken and examined.

I love digging into the mafia part of the KHR especially the Simon since I love them so much, so yeah very hope here I don’t come off as too much or rude over the matter. And I also make grammar errors too so I hope my point can be understood well.

And well lastly just a small penny for headcanon: I think there are two possible paths to explain why Cozzato names his family Simon, not Cozzato. Before going into that we need to take into account that there IS ALREADY an Cozzato family, as stated by Giotto that he heard about Cozzato people from his “grandpa”. So there are two possibilities why Cozzato named his family Simon rather than Cozzato:

- First case is Cozzato family is just a normal family, so when Cozzato suggests Giotto to form a vigilante band and later becomes a mafia himself, he names his mafia family Simon to avoid enemies targeting his Cozzato blood family.

- Second case, if Cozzato is a MAFIA family, it would bring up the topic that there is a very high possibility Simon Cozzato DOESN’T HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP with his family. Because if he has, there is absolutely no reason for him to say “there is no one helping us” and suggests Giotto to form a vigilante band in the second memory. If he has a good relationship with his mafia family he would have his own man or at least protector who can take care of matters under his command, so no if the Cozzato family is a mafia family Simon Cozzato is highly not on a good term with them. So it would not be weird when forming his own family he will not want to have anything to do with them and name the family differently.

Thank you for reading up until now.

Them: "What are you thinking about?"

Me: "Well, there's the Simon family, right? It's very much implied that all of them are related somehow, since they lived enclosed in a goddamn island, there shouldn't have been all that much DNA exchange there. Also, it's stated that Enma's guardians are also childhood friends of Enma who have lived through a similar traumatizing experience. PLUS, in most official arts of the Simon guardians all of them have red eyes but only Enma has the crosses which confirms that he's 100% a descendent of Simon Cozzato but then... Enma is Simon 10th, although his father wasn't the boss and the family as a famiglia had kind of stopped existing for a while. So, how the fuck is Enma the 10th boss? How big was Simon's actual family that they could populate an entire island?"

Them: "Err—"

Me: "But sure, whatever. THe most pressing thing is, Simon Cozzato named the Simon family after himself. I'm pretty sure Simon was his first name, and Cozzato his surname. Though Amano makes the unfortunate choice of writing his name as シモン＝コザァート, I'm just going to assume that = is just another way of writing ・ which is what's usually used to separate foreign names. Also, Cozzato being his surname explains how Enma would end up being Kozato, names evolve and all of that. This is all very understandable, right?"

Them: "Uhm—"

Me: "But then this BEGS the question of, WHY DID GIOTTO NAME HIS FAMILY VONGOLA? wHAT WAS THE MAN THINKING?!"

To this day, KHR plotholes remain holes.

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Since Simon is a side family like how Cavallone is a side family, information about them is pretty easy to ignore as the lore is dumped in very, very small dialogue bubbles that can be easily overlooked.

You can find back information about Makoto in chapter 339. And the part about Simon X's parents in chapter 319. (Now it is seemed like I also forget the details too, this scene doesn't outright confirm Simon X's parents is killed in allies territory but saying about plenty case of Vongola allies losing their territory and not really confirm yet about the Simon persecution) And very few other lore dump here and there too.

It is easy to overlook those point and yeah forget them, very sorry if my first reblog some sound like a fact when mostly it is more conclusion from hints in manga.

Them: "What are you thinking about?"

Me: "Well, there's the Simon family, right? It's very much implied that all of them are related somehow, since they lived enclosed in a goddamn island, there shouldn't have been all that much DNA exchange there. Also, it's stated that Enma's guardians are also childhood friends of Enma who have lived through a similar traumatizing experience. PLUS, in most official arts of the Simon guardians all of them have red eyes but only Enma has the crosses which confirms that he's 100% a descendent of Simon Cozzato but then... Enma is Simon 10th, although his father wasn't the boss and the family as a famiglia had kind of stopped existing for a while. So, how the fuck is Enma the 10th boss? How big was Simon's actual family that they could populate an entire island?"

Them: "Err—"

Me: "But sure, whatever. THe most pressing thing is, Simon Cozzato named the Simon family after himself. I'm pretty sure Simon was his first name, and Cozzato his surname. Though Amano makes the unfortunate choice of writing his name as シモン＝コザァート, I'm just going to assume that = is just another way of writing ・ which is what's usually used to separate foreign names. Also, Cozzato being his surname explains how Enma would end up being Kozato, names evolve and all of that. This is all very understandable, right?"

Them: "Uhm—"

Me: "But then this BEGS the question of, WHY DID GIOTTO NAME HIS FAMILY VONGOLA? wHAT WAS THE MAN THINKING?!"

To this day, KHR plotholes remain holes.

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Hi can I ask where you got your information on Makoto? I tried to look it up but can’t find any information about him being an art dealer or well known?

The art dealer part is in his introduction on chapter 339.

I am saying Makoto is famous since on the same chapter 339 it is showed that Vongola has information related to a BULLET Makoto knows and owns. Which leads me to say he is definitely not a small fish at all because if he is a small fish who will document information about his weapon? He has a name for himself for sure, just that we never have any information of the level of his name and whether he is super well-known or is like, just starts to make appearance. But he is definitely something.

Edit: sorry if i make it sound as fact because technically we don't have an outright saying that Makoto is famous in the underworld. So above is my thought progress explaining why I think he has a name.

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1) no they do NOT live enclosed on the Holy Island, Enma's father Makoto was so famous in the underworld, Vongola has information about his BULLETS. How small is your name that other family/organization has the information about the PART OF WEAPONs you use?

Not to mention he is an art dealer. He travels.

Onto other Simon members. No it was implied very heavily that they go a lot which get all the Simon adults being killed in Vongola's allies territory. Vongola has documents about how all parents of Simon X being killed in other families's territory, they are not being killed on their main ground, they also travel.

Which also leaves the matter of Simon has limited choice of partner swept off because they apparently go out of the island. Let's not even talk about how Simon X aka Enma's gang has house in Namimori (appears in Rainbow arc) aka Simon family has resident in the main land. Of course they can hired that house to live but that's mean their living space doesn't limit onto the Holy Island and so is their choice over life partner.

2) they are not stopping existing for any while. Nono stills remembers to write them an invitation letter to the Inheritance Ceremony. Reborn says that now they have become small to the point no one remember their name, but no they are still existing.

True there is no information about Makoto being the 9th Simon boss and we just jump straight from 1st to 10th gen in Simon, but just because the history isn't showed doesn't mean they stopped existing. By that logic Cavallone will just jump straight at starting in 9th gen and make it to 10th. Or Giglo Nero jumps straight from 1st Sepira to 8th Luce.

3) Vongola can be very much the symbol of Giotto's desire to protect people. Or well Vongola is just the name he takes after the Vongola rings which is belonged to the Trinnisette system. Remember that the vigilante band DOESN'T HAVE AN OFFICAL NAME. All we know is the Vongola is the name of the later mafia family, and we don't know when did Sepira gives Giotto the Vongola rings. He can name the mafia family after the Trinisette part.

Them: "What are you thinking about?"

Me: "Well, there's the Simon family, right? It's very much implied that all of them are related somehow, since they lived enclosed in a goddamn island, there shouldn't have been all that much DNA exchange there. Also, it's stated that Enma's guardians are also childhood friends of Enma who have lived through a similar traumatizing experience. PLUS, in most official arts of the Simon guardians all of them have red eyes but only Enma has the crosses which confirms that he's 100% a descendent of Simon Cozzato but then... Enma is Simon 10th, although his father wasn't the boss and the family as a famiglia had kind of stopped existing for a while. So, how the fuck is Enma the 10th boss? How big was Simon's actual family that they could populate an entire island?"

Them: "Err—"

Me: "But sure, whatever. THe most pressing thing is, Simon Cozzato named the Simon family after himself. I'm pretty sure Simon was his first name, and Cozzato his surname. Though Amano makes the unfortunate choice of writing his name as シモン＝コザァート, I'm just going to assume that = is just another way of writing ・ which is what's usually used to separate foreign names. Also, Cozzato being his surname explains how Enma would end up being Kozato, names evolve and all of that. This is all very understandable, right?"

Them: "Uhm—"

Me: "But then this BEGS the question of, WHY DID GIOTTO NAME HIS FAMILY VONGOLA? wHAT WAS THE MAN THINKING?!"

To this day, KHR plotholes remain holes.

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Me when writing Sepira has the power to choose the future seeing people hcn Arcobaleno Sky as strongest: I'm so in.

"strongest sky"

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i love a good tiny woman and her giant ass husband - perfection :3c

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First of all, thank you @moonlit-mystery-writer for putting in your opinion.

Well, the matter here is we rate how hard of "chores" is possible, and my answer is: Chores like cooking and cleaning is not hard, and yes people who lives alone like Gokudera will definitely need it for lifes.

HOWEVER.

Even when the skill for chore IS NOT HARD, the time we need to put in for those skill to be okay IS STILL A LOT. You can't be Master Chief in a few time you fried perfectly an eggs, cooking needs time and training to make completely and good dishes, and well in this case "different dishes" because eating the same food day by day gonna makes people sick of the flavour.

Same to laundry. It takes time to remember what laundry detergent is this, what needs to washed by hand, what can washed by machine, cold or warm water for this clothes, ect... It's also a skill, and sure of course we can just toss all of clothes into the washing machine, but still it is a skill that takes time to be master of.

Now come back to the Future arc.

The girls DO have trouble the first time preparing the food:

They are obviously better than the boys regarding cooking, and yes in one single moment of not paying attention, their work is charcoal.

Even they also can NOT control the whole kitchen situation all the time if they don't put their mind into it.

Now back to the boys. Yamamoto is shown that he, in fact, can cook:

And this is the mess happening after the girls boycotts:

Okay, even though this is treats as a gag moment, I do view this scene, together with that scene above, as such: the boy CAN do chores. They can cook (sushi, instant ramen) and at least they know to put clothes in the washing machine and put detergent into it for the laundry. (Well a little too much detergent, but yeah they get the basic logic)

No, this is not a good thing that they are so clumsy. I don't think so. Heck, learn to cook at least. I view this skill with very high regard because this is a surviving skill, you can live with dirty clothes but no food means you die. But well, in this Future arc at least, I view this as the boy CAN do chores but they DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO BE GOOD AT IT.

I am sure with instruction and time they would be good at chores too. Like Yamamoto grows up in a sushi stores and he knows how to make sushi. (HxH gonna slaps anyone who say making rice with raw fish is easy :))) so yeah to make sushi good you also have to put a lot of effort) But back to the point, it all comes down to the boy does NOT have the time. They are tired (there is scene of them literally passed out on the table after training) and they don't have the skill, of course it's natural for them to resort to instant ramen which, almost has no nutrition at all. In the boycott chapter, Kyoko and Haru's worry is words by words, "whether they have enough nutrition". They don't comment on how the boy is scraping by because of course instant food can get you by. But this is a war, the normal standard of "getting day by" can't be applied into the situation anymore, the soldier needs their food. (Side note, I will put my bet on Gokudera scraping by day with instant food. This boy got school and part time jobs. He lives alone but more like an adult being squeezed by daily life living alone. Again with school and jobs, the thing you want to do when going home is to lying in bed, not cooking. Again you can get day by with instant food but not in war day)

This is the same with the scenario of what if "the girls are trained to be combatants". Of course they can be good combatants, the impossible here is they are trained to be competent ENOUGH to fight against their enemy IN A VERY SHORT TIME. It takes A LOT OF TIME, or well, shortcut like natural talent (Yamamoto) or a lot of bullet in the head (Tsuna). Both Gokudera and Ryohei have been fighting their whole life, Gokudera has his time on the street while Ryohei is the boxing club captain. In short, even with people who already have battle experience and even talent still struggling to be stronger, imagine training people with no battle experience or weapon using whatsoever like Kyoko and Haru and how long it would take, when time is the thing none of the children have here.

I always emphasis on "they do what they can do" because that exactly what is happening. The girls can do chores and can't fight (to an okay level). The boy can fight and they can't do chores (again at an okay level). Can the girl be good at fighting and the boy be good at chores? Yes, I do think they absolutely can. But do they canonically have the time to do that? No, Millifiore is trying to chop off their heads out there.

So yes Kyoko and Haru's role is never a misogynist scene to me because to me this is children trying their best to survive in a war and they put in all they can offer. Honestly the one should be taken as an example of misogynist mindset is Bianchi because she lacks fighting screentime as hell, I agree. Bianchi is the right example of girl "being reduced" to support, because she can do more than just support and we barely see her "more". But again one more time most of the fandom focus on a completely wrong target.

My original post is a regard to those people: let supporter be supporter. I am tired of people think it is problematic/misogynist that Kyoko and Haru do the chores. I am tired of people keeps saying "Let the girls fight" and call those girls useless because they can't fight. I raise the flag and waving the "the boy gonna death due to lack of nutrition combined with intensive training before facing Byakuran if not for the girls". Support is as much important as the front line fighter in any war. KHR has a lot of problems but Kyoko and Haru cooking and doing laundry in the future arc IS NOT one of them.

I can never find myself see the same perspective with the khr fandom of how the girls' role in the future arc is supposed to be misogynist.

Like, what's wrong with doing chores? What wrong with providing basic necessities like food and clean clothes? What's wrong with "We do our part so you boys can go fight in the battlefield"? What's wrong BEING THE SUPPORT IN THE REAR? Asking any generals from any countries out there, how important the rear detachment of supplying contribute to the overall win. Actually no, just reread the arc again and see how a mess it is after the girl boycotts.

And Kyoko and Haru are civilians. They don't go through Kokuyo arc. They don't go through the Ring Battle. They have zero battle experience. They are not reduced to the "housework", that implies they can do something else other than the housework. No, the housework is the ONLY thing they can do. Can they fight like Tsuna? No. (And remember at the strength level of Tsuna he still has fucking hell time with this battle) Can they activate their flame? No. Can they maintain or fix the weapon? No. What they can do is providing everyone with food so they have energy to be stronger to fight in this battle. If they are pushed to the fight with Millifiore their fate would be an absolute death. So really, forcing Kyoko and Haru to fight and it would result in: 1) their death or 2) the boys defending them which would lead to more burden onto the boys. (Bonus to this, stop dreaming of the girls being badass kicking ass. Natural born hitman like Yamamoto and monster like Hibari still have to train like hell to fight with the Millifiore. How many years would it take for Kyoko and Haru to reach 1/10 of their power? There is absolutely no way for them to be like hella fucking strong fighters in mere few days so they can stand side by side with Tsuna's gang on this)

Tl;dr:

1) Asking the girl to fight in the future arc is a hella impossible task.

2) They are doing what they can do. Underestimating their supporting role is an insult to every rear detachment workers in general and provisions department people in specific.

3) Underestimating their roles in the future arc because they do chores, the only thing they can do, and telling they have to fight in the front line aka something they can't do, is actually a mysogynist mindset itself. Also sum up as "if a female character can't fight and they can only support then they are fucking useless."

And finally: let supporter be supporter people. If you write an alternative universe when Kyoko and Haru being absolute monster from the very beginning, sure, do whatever you want with their role in the future arc. But let them be supporters in canon. There is nothing wrong with them being supporter, they are doing their best.

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I can never find myself see the same perspective with the khr fandom of how the girls' role in the future arc is supposed to be misogynist.

Like, what's wrong with doing chores? What wrong with providing basic necessities like food and clean clothes? What's wrong with "We do our part so you boys can go fight in the battlefield"? What's wrong BEING THE SUPPORT IN THE REAR? Asking any generals from any countries out there, how important the rear detachment of supplying contribute to the overall win. Actually no, just reread the arc again and see how a mess it is after the girl boycotts.

And Kyoko and Haru are civilians. They don't go through Kokuyo arc. They don't go through the Ring Battle. They have zero battle experience. They are not reduced to the "housework", that implies they can do something else other than the housework. No, the housework is the ONLY thing they can do. Can they fight like Tsuna? No. (And remember at the strength level of Tsuna he still has fucking hell time with this battle) Can they activate their flame? No. Can they maintain or fix the weapon? No. What they can do is providing everyone with food so they have energy to be stronger to fight in this battle. If they are pushed to the fight with Millifiore their fate would be an absolute death. So really, forcing Kyoko and Haru to fight and it would result in: 1) their death or 2) the boys defending them which would lead to more burden onto the boys. (Bonus to this, stop dreaming of the girls being badass kicking ass. Natural born hitman like Yamamoto and monster like Hibari still have to train like hell to fight with the Millifiore. How many years would it take for Kyoko and Haru to reach 1/10 of their power? There is absolutely no way for them to be like hella fucking strong fighters in mere few days so they can stand side by side with Tsuna's gang on this)

Tl;dr:

1) Asking the girl to fight in the future arc is a hella impossible task.

2) They are doing what they can do. Underestimating their supporting role is an insult to every rear detachment workers in general and provisions department people in specific.

3) Underestimating their roles in the future arc because they do chores, the only thing they can do, and telling they have to fight in the front line aka something they can't do, is actually a mysogynist mindset itself. Also sum up as "if a female character can't fight and they can only support then they are fucking useless."

And finally: let supporter be supporter people. If you write an alternative universe when Kyoko and Haru being absolute monster from the very beginning, sure, do whatever you want with their role in the future arc. But let them be supporters in canon. There is nothing wrong with them being supporter, they are doing their best.

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Starward ✨

"As the story of the Nameless Journey concludes, it leaves a profound imprint on our hearts. Yet, we find solace in the knowledge that they reside in the stars, cherished and remembered by those who have held them close. Their love and admiration for their journey and accomplishments are not lost, but carried forward by their successors and memories. The enduring legacy of the Nameless Journey continues to touch and inspire the lives of countless others, forging a deep and lasting connection. Igniting the path open, starward."

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No one can convince me that the vindice aren't playing "who's the best" in their free time.

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Gonna throw myself into another Iemitsu and Tsuna's relationship post because the sudden raise of people acknowledging this is more complicate than bashing fics.

One thing I believe is that if, by some chance like reincarnation fanfic, Tsuna wants to be a mafia (or well involve with the mafia) from young age, then Iemitsu would be a good dad to Tsuna. Iemitsu is capable of being a good dad/master to Basil, this is obvious, but the thing is Basil from the start is a fighter/mafia already and Tsuna is, yes, a civilian at first. (Not to mention Tsuna is still heavily rejecting mafia at the end of manga)

I don't know how Iemitsu ends up as mafia, high position one even. I just can see in the manga how Tsuna and Iemitsu interact is mostly through a mafia event first and foremost - Ring Battle, Representative Battle. I see Iemitsu makes a deal with Mukuro so Tsuna has a complete set to compete in the Ring Battle. I see the way he tries to tell something to his son is literally through fist in the Rainbow war, so yeah I see Iemitsu doesn't know how to interact with his civilian son in a normal loving way of parent. His love language with civilians, both his son and wife, is to leave them completely in the dark about himself and mafia because that would keep them safe.

But turn the matter around, as mostly Tsuna and Iemitsu interact through mafia events, I see that if Tsuna follows the mafia path, Iemitsu would be openly supportive and engaged in Tsuna's life than what happened in canon. To be honest Iemitsu may be still clumsy at conversation and throws fist to tranfer his idea, that I can't deny because I don't have a full grasp over Iemitsu's characteristic as mafia. But Iemitsu's want of Nana and Tsuna being safe is real, look at how he literally throwing himself in front of Vindice to protect Nana. If Tsuna by any chance involving with the mafia from young age, I hence see Iemitsu teaching his son how to fight and engaged in his son's life more so his now-mafia son can survive in his world.

But well since the beginning the dad and the son belongs to different world, they have no same ground to bonding as dad and son. So yeah.

A little bonus: even if Tsuna, as a teenager in manga, grows up and finally agrees to be the next mafia boss of Vongola, I still see Iemitsu being more engaged in his son's life in that situation. Meaning Tsuna doesn't have to want to be mafia at young age for dad-son relationship being closer. Of any chance, as long as Tsuna is in the mafia, Iemitsu would be more close to his son.

Well I say this because look at how Tsuna in the Future Arc, an adult Tsuna in the mafia world, completely hides his plan away from his loved one (mind you, this included Future Gokudera and Lal, debatably all other guardians except Hibari) to have chance winning against Byakuran and thus protecting his loved one. This screams Iemitsu so much, and so just personal opinion but I see in this Future arc, Tsuna-mafia-boss and Iemitsu had talked and bonded enough for Tsuna to understand his dad's method of staying silent, and then using a nearly almost same one as his way of protecting his family.

(My headcanon is at the beginning of Tsuna's mafia reign, Iemitsu is still Cedef boss and supports his son with all his might like how he supports Tsuna in the Ring Battle. I like Basil being Cedef boss one day but I see that come later in Tsuna's reign, when Basil has more experience. For the start of Neo Vongola, Iemitsu is still there for his Neo Vongola Primo son.

And logically Tsuna as mafia boss would not chase Iemitsu away even when they are not talking it out, like Iemitsu is a strong, experienced mafia who truly wants to protect Tsuna hence would be loyal too. Like no boss gonna fire (or pull the string to get rid off) someone such competent like that? It would be such a waste.)

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Some of y’all aren’t ready to accept that iemitsu is not a one-note villain (not saying he’s not a questionable father) and that Tsuna and Iemitsu’s relationship is so wonderfully complex and shouldn’t be watered down to just “iemitsu bad. Tsuna deserves better.”

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