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Odydio sketches!!

I summon the fans of Epic The Musical, the Iliad and the Odyssey!!!

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"You always remember the first. The second... you just measure against the memory."

twitter has uncensored version but im posting it on here to dump about the piece.....

Whilst Diomedes truly believes he has a connection with Odysseus, perhaps not quite love, Odysseus dismisses it as a simple companionship and a way to help one another during war time.

Diomedes' side of the room; the couch and the floor are composed and tidy. He knows what his feelings are and he's not afraid to admit it ( to himself atleast).

Odysseus' side is very messy. His feelings and thoughts are all over the place and he is not bothering to figure them out.

As for the tapestries, they are reflection of both of them and a separation– a clear line between them. Literally.

We see that Diomedes' mind is more messy. He has the burden of being Athena's warrior, a king and a general and the bloodshed it causes.

On the other hand though, he knows that when the war ends he and Odysseus will have to part. He can not help but to want the war to continue, even if it costs his psyche; wasting his life on a battlefield and potentially dying.

Odysseus, obviously, cannot wait for war to end to see Penelope. He never wanted to go and his will to return to her remains unchanged if not stringer, through the years of war.

Daedalus is there because in the book Circe by Madeline Miller Odysseus mentioned that he always wanted to be like him but wasn't as crafty. Circe later says that the two were very much alike. I see it as Odysseus, though damnably smart and infuriatingly cunning, still can't perceive himself well in the eyes of other people. I see that trait of his in EPIC the musical aswell. Though that isn't very Illiad Odysseus, I like to imagine it is...!

The wine shows how Odysseus very often cannot bring himself to be intimate with Diomedes while sober, or let's say... adrenaline fuelled.

He never takes his marriage ring of, unlike Diomedes who couldn't care less for it. In fact, he deliberately makes sure to take it off so that he isn't reminded of his wife whilst with Odysseus.

I'd say the scene is happening in the early morning. Diomedes always wakes up early to catch a glimpse of Odysseus still asleep as he knows that if it was Odysseus who woke up first he'd leave immediately without telling him.

And I just really like figs

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Opacity up😔

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this is a test…..

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Odydio sketches!!

I summon the fans of Epic The Musical, the Iliad and the Odyssey!!!

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hot artists don't gatekeep

I've been resource gathering for YEARS so now I am going to share my dragons hoard

Floorplanner. Design and furnish a house for you to use for having a consistent background in your comic or anything! Free, you need an account, easy to use, and you can save multiple houses.

Comparing Heights. Input the heights of characters to see what the different is between them. Great for keeping consistency. Free.

Magma. Draw online with friends in real time. Great for practice or hanging out. Free, paid plan available, account preferred.

Smithsonian Open Access. Loads of free images. Free.

SketchDaily. Lots of pose references, massive library, is set on a timer so you can practice quick figure drawing. Free.

SculptGL. A sculpting tool which I am yet to master, but you should be able to make whatever 3d object you like with it. free.

Pexels. Free stock images. And the search engine is actually pretty good at pulling up what you want.

Figurosity. Great pose references, diverse body types, lots of "how to draw" videos directly on the site, the models are 3d and you can rotate the angle, but you can't make custom poses or edit body proportions. Free, account option, paid plans available.

Line of Action. More drawing references, this one also has a focus on expressions, hands/feet, animals, landscapes. Free.

Animal Photo. You pose a 3d skull model and select an animal species, and they give you a bunch of photo references for that animal at that angle. Super handy. Free.

Height Weight Chart. You ever see an OC listed as having a certain weight but then they look Wildly different than the number suggests? Well here's a site to avoid that! It shows real people at different weights and heights to give you a better idea of what these abstract numbers all look like. Free to use.

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Patrochillies wip 👊

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Drawing patrochillies is killing me 😔

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"You always remember the first. The second... you just measure against the memory."

twitter has uncensored version but im posting it on here to dump about the piece.....

Whilst Diomedes truly believes he has a connection with Odysseus, perhaps not quite love, Odysseus dismisses it as a simple companionship and a way to help one another during war time.

Diomedes' side of the room; the couch and the floor are composed and tidy. He knows what his feelings are and he's not afraid to admit it ( to himself atleast).

Odysseus' side is very messy. His feelings and thoughts are all over the place and he is not bothering to figure them out.

As for the tapestries, they are reflection of both of them and a separation– a clear line between them. Literally.

We see that Diomedes' mind is more messy. He has the burden of being Athena's warrior, a king and a general and the bloodshed it causes.

On the other hand though, he knows that when the war ends he and Odysseus will have to part. He can not help but to want the war to continue, even if it costs his psyche; wasting his life on a battlefield and potentially dying.

Odysseus, obviously, cannot wait for war to end to see Penelope. He never wanted to go and his will to return to her remains unchanged if not stringer, through the years of war.

Daedalus is there because in the book Circe by Madeline Miller Odysseus mentioned that he always wanted to be like him but wasn't as crafty. Circe later says that the two were very much alike. I see it as Odysseus, though damnably smart and infuriatingly cunning, still can't perceive himself well in the eyes of other people. I see that trait of his in EPIC the musical aswell. Though that isn't very Illiad Odysseus, I like to imagine it is...!

The wine shows how Odysseus very often cannot bring himself to be intimate with Diomedes while sober, or let's say... adrenaline fuelled.

He never takes his marriage ring of, unlike Diomedes who couldn't care less for it. In fact, he deliberately makes sure to take it off so that he isn't reminded of his wife whilst with Odysseus.

I'd say the scene is happening in the early morning. Diomedes always wakes up early to catch a glimpse of Odysseus still asleep as he knows that if it was Odysseus who woke up first he'd leave immediately without telling him.

And I just really like figs

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thinking about diomedes and odysseus

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I’m not sure what I was expecting but patrochilles is up next :)

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idek anymore

@diomedesweek

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Greek Mythology Sources

Interest in greek mythology rises anew with the new number of retellings and adaptions...and misconceptions all around... Claims like "that never happened" or "that's the roman version" are around a lot...but even if you wanted to learn more, where would you even start looking? Where do you begin your research for your next fic, or next discussion? Well...That's for you! Here's a list of source names, links to access them, maps, family trees & more

Where to access the texts:

ToposText Database, interlinks all names and places, has almost all sources translated, can find all name mentions of place or character in the sources, has a map with the places

Perseus Collection Greek and Roman Materials (and Scaife Viewer) Digital Library, nearly all main greek and roman sources, including OG language text and dictionary for those languages (is instable at times, try coming back a few hours/days later and it should be up again)

Theoi Greek Mythology Database, has summary posts for individual heroes, creatures, gods and events, as well as many translations, has a search function

List of Ancient Sources

Homer's Iliad (8th BC)

Homer's Odyssey (8th BC)

Epic Cycle (and Theban Cycle) fragments (8-6th BC)

Homeric Hymns (7th BC)

Orphic Hymns (2nd BC/2nd AD)

Quintus Smyrnaeus’s Posthomerica (3rd AD)

Tryphiodorus’s Taking of Ilium (3rd AD)

Apollonius Rhodius’ Argonautica (3rd BC)

Nonnus’ Dionysiaca (5th AD)

Hesiod’s Theogony, Works and Days, Catalogue of Women (8th BC)

Statius’s Thebaid, Achilleid (1st AD)

Virgil’s Aeneid (1st BC)

Valerius Flaccus’s Argonautica (1st AD)

Colluthus’s Taking of Helen (6th AD)

Pindar’s Odes (5th BC)

Plays by Sophocles, Aeschylus, Euripides (5th BC)

Fragments of lyric poets (8th-6th BC)

Athenaeus’s Deipnoshists (2nd AD)

Lycophron’s Alexandra (3rd BC)

Pausanias’s Description of Greece (2nd AD)

Strabo’s Geography (1st AD)

Scholia on Homer (~ 5th BC - 11th AD)

Scholia on Pindar  (2nd AD?)

Scholia on Sophocles, on Euripides (1st BC-15th AD)

Maurus Servius Honoratus’ Commentaries on the Aeneid (5th AD)

Corpus Aristotelicum (4th BC)

Fragments of Hellanicus’s works (5th BC)

Diodorus Siculus’s Bibliotheca Historica (1st AD)

Herodotus’s Histories (5th BC)

Dionysius Halicarnassius’s Roman Antiquities (1st BC)

Plutarch’s Quaestiones Graecae (1st AD)

Eustathius’s commentaries on Homer (12th AD)

Apollodorus’ Bibliotheca, Epitome (2nd AD)

Hyginus’s Fabulae (2nd AD)

Ovid’s Works (1st AD)

Antoninus Liberalis’s Metamorphoses (2nd AD)

Conon’s Narrations (1st AD)

Dictys Cretensis (4th AD)

Dares Phrygius (5th AD)

Malalas’s Chronography (6th AD)

St.Jerome’s Chronicon (4th AD)

Eusebius’s Chronography (5th AD)

Philostratus the Athenian’s Heroicus (3rd AD)

Seneca Plays (1st AD)

Suda (10th AD)

Tzetzes (12th AD)

Duris of Same (4th BC)

Ptolemy Hephaestion (2nd AD)

More Sources:

WordHoard (Software/Java Document for Scholia on Homer, commentary on the Odyssey & Iliad) About This Book – Euripides Scholia: Scholia on Orestes 501–1100 Scholia on Euripides

LacusCurtius • A Gateway to Ancient Rome Roman Sources and History

https://web.archive.org/web/20050625081727/http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/OMACL/Hesiod/iliad.html Little Iliad Fragments

Most of these places have older translations for the epics, poems and hymns (with older language), places like Poetry In Translation and https://www.gutenberg.org often have newer translations available for free, though…with a bit of digging most translations even recent ones can be found online :)

Comparing several translations is also good if you want to make any arguments about what a text says without being able to read the text in the original language, does the text really say that or is it just this translation?

It also doesn't hurt to research a little about the author of a work as well to get context for which time and sociopolitical and personal situation they were writing in (it helps to do a quick search into the history of ancient greece too, i.e. epic writers writing during the 7th century BC had different agendas than playwrights of the 5th century during the persian wars, athenians during the conflicts with sparta, or later hellenistic writers after Alexander the Great)

Wikipedia: CAN be used, it's a good starting point, but check the sources cited as much as you can, rather than believing what the page itself says

Links to Maps

Ancient Greece Maps – Ancient Greece: Φώς & Λέξη

User:MaryroseB54 - Wikimedia Commons

Cyowari - Professional, Digital Artist | DeviantArt

Some of the Realms of Greece in the Heroic Age by Yaulendur on DeviantArt

Late Bronze Age Mediterranean Trade, c. 1400-1200 BCE: Empires, Merchants, and Maritime Routes of the Ancient World - World History Encyclopedia

Translators:

Translate to Ancient Greek Onlinehttps://logeion.uchicago.edu

Wiktionary

Ancient Art 

Resources

Harvard Art Museums

Family Tree: 

(Compiled by a friend, not exhaustive) - Note that there are often various different versions of lineage for many characters, so this only represents ONE of many possibilities) Family Echo

Books

Oxford classical dictionary.pdf

Brief History Of Ancient Greece.pdf

168679208-Ancient-Greece.pdfComplete Greek Drama

The Ancient Epic Cycle and it's ancient reception A companion.pdf

Final Note

These things should not be gatekept, its time to share them freely I wish I could offer even more sources via academic books and papers but I fear this would exceed my abilities considering the vastness of the topic of Greek Mythology! But this is a starting point :D Have fun! 

Google Scholar has a lot of secondary sources (scholia commentary & theories), books about history, society, politics, flora & fauna, religion, culture, etc. of the time both of history and mythical history…if you have a friend in academia with university access (if you don’t have it yourself) you can ask them to check if they have access to the papers/books otherwise hidden behind insane paywalls, because a LOT of them are available as pdfs!

I also wish I had more visual/audio sources but this is smth I cant change :") I'm sure there's some good videos on youtube out there...somewhere x)

Feel free to contact me if you have more sources you want to add or any links don't work Here is the Post as DOCs to share outside of tumblr

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an old friend pays a visit from italy

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Gay? Gay

Without the gay

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I think someone went fishing and accidentally drowned by himself, idk

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dont even ask

@idiotysseus