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18+ 616 Steve/Tony Discord Book Club: Captain America: The Chosen

It's Captain America week for Book Club and we've found yet another weird grimdark nihilistic Cap miniseries from the mid-2000s! We're reading Captain America: The Chosen, by David Morrell and Mitch Breitweiser, a six-issue miniseries from 2008, originally released under the Marvel Knights imprint.

In a world where the super-soldier serum has stopped working, Steve is dying in a hospital bed in DC, but as part of Project Multitude, he is using long-distance telepathy to fight one more battle. Literally. He uses his powers to project himself into the mind of a US soldier in Afghanistan and help give him the courage to fight on.

We do get a retelling of a lot of Steve's background here, with a version of Project Rebirth where Steve was never actually supposed to be chosen. And now, here, in the present, it's about who he chooses to follow after him.

Come join us on You Gave Me A Home, an 18+ comics Steve/Tony Discord server!

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Um,Excuse me in Layman's terms in seems like in a post regarding Civil War it says that Tony is willing to sacrifice lives,...they make it sound like he's willing to...Kill his friends or something!?Deep down I think that I know it isn't true, but anyway I hope that it wasn't meant to be written that way,Either way this question is meant purely beacause I Love him and I'm...seeking reassurance I guess!? 😢💔

I don't know what post you're talking about -- but I would say that that's more of a figure of speech for comics Civil War, because finding a solution that will preserve life is absolutely Tony's priority. He's willing to do a lot of bad things so that people won't end up dead. The things he is willing to do do in fact involve other people getting hurt -- but they're not dying.

(If it's my post, I don't remember writing a post like that, but I would say that "sacrifice lives" is being used as a metaphorical proxy for the other things he is willing to sacrifice (say, freedom), but the thing he is specifically not willing to sacrifice in CW is actual human life. So I hope I didn't write that, because that seems prone to misinterpretation, as you say. If it's not my post, then... that's not how I would put it and I'm not standing by that statement.)

I'd say that in other comics events we have evidence that Tony would in theory be willing to sacrifice others' lives for the greater good. I mean, in Hickmanvengers, specifically, he is participating in their incursion trolley-problem. He builds bombs to destroy the other Earths. When it comes down to it, of course, he can't pull the trigger, but I get the impression that, in theory, he'd say that he could sacrifice a small number of people to spare a larger number of people who would otherwise die by inaction. (He also can't actually do it, FWIW.) He's not an arms dealer anymore, no, but he's also not a strict pacifist; I think you could get him into a situation where he'd think that the best moral choice possible might involve someone dying. And there are definitely villains whose deaths he would condone -- I mean, that's what we get in Operation Galactic Storm. He has killed people. He's not proud of it, but he's willing to do it. (This is true of most superheroes, I would think.)

But in Civil War? The plans he makes are specifically to avoid getting other people killed. We find out his reasoning in Casualties of War and The Confession. He knew that the government had plans to run Project Wideawake -- the Sentinel program that is usually the thing the government tries to do to mutants -- with all superhumans as the target, and therefore he knew that if Registration happened, and Wideawake happened, a bunch of of people would die. So he gets in there and gets in charge of Registration and does a bunch of things that are really pretty terrible, like building prisons and imprisoning his friends who don't register. He does this because imprisonment is a better choice than death. Because if someone else runs Registration -- we know this canonically, from What If Civil War, where we see a world in which Gyrich runs Registration -- his friends are absolutely going to die. He very specifically picks the solution that doesn't involve killing them. He is willing to sacrifice their happiness and freedom and so on, and he's willing to do that because the other choice is sacrificing their lives. So I think in CW he is very specifically not willing to sacrifice lives. (Other than his own. There are a few statements he makes to Sentry in New Avengers that suggest he'd be fine with dying for the cause.)

And the thing that really messes him up is, as we find out in The Confession, that he does all of this to try to keep people safe and alive... and Steve dies anyway. The one person whose death he was most trying to prevent is the person who dies anyway. Granted, it's not his fault (even though he believes it is) and it's also not because of Registration (even though he possibly believes it is), but what really, really hurts him is Steve's death, because that was absolutely unacceptable to him. And it happened anyway.

So, yeah, no, in Civil War, I would say that life is the thing Tony is not willing to sacrifice, and that all the actions he takes are meant to preserve human life.

However, I must inform you that sometimes comics are bad and there are multiple comics where Tony does in fact straight-up kill his friends. It's just that none of those are Civil War.

Mostly it happens because Tony is under some form of mind-control, as in The Crossing, which is, incidentally, the worst comic book I have ever read and it's hard to say what he does or doesn't believe in it. But I think that we're supposed to think that all of the murders he commits are indeed at Kang's instigation.

And there is, unfortunately, Cantwell's recent Iron Man run, in which Tony, who is at the time addicted to morphine and making some very bad decisions, gets the Power Cosmic and murders Rhodey when Rhodey tries to stop him from taking over New York. This isn't a villain AU or anything. This is one of several reasons that this run is dead to me. So, uh, sometimes canon itself is OOC and can contradict things previously established in canon. This is a fun thing that can happen in comic books. I am using the word "fun" sarcastically.

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last boop of the day 👆🏻

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The Tumblr April Fool's feature is booping, poking someone affectionately on the nose and declaring "Boop!" but implemented with cat paws. If you have Dashboard Unfucker on, it may be interfering. You can boop other people by clicking the boop link next to their names. Long clicks (let the link change color) are super boops, super-long clicks (let the link change color three times) are Evil boops. Enjoy, or at any rate survive till midnight.

Thank you for the explanation! I shall boop with wild abandon!

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Pin for survivors

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“I’m always happy to spend time with you, Steve. I wouldn’t have it any other way.”

“Me neither, Tony. I’m right where I want to be.”

Tony and Steve enjoying a quiet evening, drawn for @welcomingdisaster​ as part of the @cap-ironman​ Holiday Exchange. 

Based on this Leyendecker painting.

Close-ups under the cut.

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18+ 616 Steve/Tony Discord Book Club: Dark Ages

Book Club's back! It's Avengers week! We heard you like dystopian AUs, so we're putting some dystopian AU in your dystopian AU, and we're reading Tom Taylor and Iban Coello's 2021 miniseries Dark Ages #1-6! Unlike your regular technological panopticon dystopias full of robots, Dark Ages is set on an Earth where electricity no longer works, and our heroes have to survive without it. And also, you know, stop Apocalypse from taking over the world. Regular superhero things.

Tony lost a leg in the original disaster that caused this dystopia, and he spends his time tinkering with everything he can to try to get the power back on. Steve's got a Depression Beard (okay, I guess it's a Dystopian Beard) and he's running around killing vampires. But at least Steve and Tony have got each other. Probably. Maybe. You'll see.

Come join us on You Gave Me A Home, an 18+ comics Steve/Tony Discord server!

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@phoenixmetaphor Thanks so much for the tag! I love your art! I am very glad you tagged me, because I have been writing and also I finally have a last sentence that is reasonably short. I have included the rest of the paragraph for context, because I love sentence fragments.

Well, Tony was glad that someone here was having fun. Jesus Christ. At this rate, Steve was going to give him his next heart attack. Maybe his next three heart attacks.

That's... six? Uh. Tagging @cherryblossomsmist @kiyaar @teatotally @isozyme @oluka @nostalgicatsea and anyone else who wants to say I tagged you. I have no idea who is currently writing, so, you know, answer, or not, as your whims take you.

Last sentence tag game

RULES: Post the last sentence you wrote (fanfic / original / anything) and tag as many people as there are words in the sentence.

Thanks for the tags @mistresslrigtar and @dubiiousfood !! Here is what I have, from the next of the depths:

Losing his arm had been a shock, but the loss of his gear was devastating.

Tagging: @flutefemme @leiladebees @louwhose @cooking-with-hailstones @embyrinitalics @ladyhoneydee @hyylia @aurathian + anyone else who wants to play!

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caesars assassination but with empty cardboard tubes

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FLUFF BINGO by @feedthefandomfest

i absolutely couldn't resist another challenge so here is a new bingo that i have finished ♡ as expected, the more i comment the easier it gets and the more joy it brings me; i get genuinely excited to share my thoughts and appreciation.

these are some of the wonderful fics i've left a comment under in the past few weeks in no particular order:

Shower Rocks by Amuly | stevetony | T

If You Never Say Your Name Out Loud To Anyone by theladyingrey42 | stevetony | T

Just Like Magic by @sunnysideprincess | winteriron | G

Captain Ameritits by @pleasetakethis | stevetony | E

Coming in Hot by @frankthesnek | stevetony | G

i would always be yours by @tinystark616 | stevetony | T

Steve Rogers' Life Is Not A Romance Movie (He Wouldn't Get The References, Anyway) by someonelsesheart | stevetony | T

A Real Boy by @sineala | stevetony | E

love the sin, love the sinner by @silkspectred | stevetony | E

A flower a day by @perlmutt-perl | stevetony | G

Picture This by @stovetuna | stevetony | E

The Love Song of a Pair of Awkward Weirdos by @musicalluna | stevetony | T

you are the sweetest melody i never sung by @soliloquent-stark | stuckony | T

What A Diff'rence A Day Makes by Last_Chance_Anna | stevetony | T

Night Out by @musicalluna | stevetony | T

Spooning by Grimm_mii | stevetony | M

with your own two hands by @thahiree | stevetony | T

Tony Shouldn't Speak Before Coffee by Heartithateyou | stevetony | G

shades of hedonism by @areiton | stevetony | M

I died in your arms tonite by lizzybizzyzzz (orphan_account) | sambucky | G

Drawn to You by @jellybeanforest-a-go-go | stevetony | M

I Take It In Real Slow by @carsonian | stevetony | M

What Is Home by leviarty | sambucky | T

flyin' high (in the friendly sky) by @lies-unfurl | sambucky | M

that feeling I get about you deep inside by @glittercake | sambucky | E

go give them a read and make sure to leave a comment! and thank you to each and every writer whose lovely fics i have had the honour of reading, i appreciate you. 🩷

another reminder for everyone to comment under ALL fics they enjoy, including: fics that seem 'abandoned', fics by authors who no longer write for the ship/fandom you're in or haven't been active in years, fics posted 10+ years ago, popular fics with hundreds of comments, fics by authors who don't respond to comments etc.

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WHAT is going on with these baseball uniforms? like does Nike really think no one's noticed?

Last I heard, they were still insisting that the fabric was exactly the same as last year but the cut was different, and people concluded that the tighter pants were what was causing the, uh, unfortunate visibility issues. I haven’t heard anything about the pants in a bit so maybe they are doing something? Who knows. I think the players’ association was getting formally involved? I guess these are serious pants problems.

The part where the names are off-center is just bad, presumably. I saw a Tweet somewhere of someone complaining about an off-center name and the customer service account for the fan jerseys got involved in the thread without realizing that the guy complaining was an actual player holding his actual jersey.

I like to cheer myself up by looking at pictures of misspelled jerseys from years gone by. It wouldn’t have occurred to me that it was even possible to misspell the name of the team or the city, but I guess all the letters go on individually.

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If you're like me, sometimes you need the full text of Civil-War-era Tony's letter to Steve in the event of his death from "What If? Fallen Son" (2009). So here it is in its entirety!

If you notice any typos on my part, please let me know.

I put line breaks wherever the text was broken up, either by being in different sections of a panel or different panels/pages. I preserved the ellipses, though I didn't double them (in many cases a section of text would end in "..." and then the next section would also begin with "..."). I also didn't double up line breaks and ellipses.

Steve, I hope you never have to read this, old friend, because if you do, it means something terrible has happened. It means I'm dead. I suppose it shouldn't come as much of a surprise, really. During my years as Iron Man, I've racked up hundreds of enemies who wanted to do me in… and after recent events, probably a few old friends who feel the same. It's funny, though. I always prided myself on being a futurist--constantly thinking a leap ahead of everyone else. Apparently, that leap wasn't nearly far enough. But this letter is about looking forward--not back. It doesn't matter what killed me. All that matters is what happens next… and the legacy I've left behind. I'm not talking about Iron Man, either. The suit is nothing without the right man inside… and there aren't many I'd trust to pilot. Rhodey. Pepper. Happy. Maybe Jarvis… though he was never really the hero-type. And you, Steve. Whether you believe it or not, I always trusted you. Even during the darkest days--during the war--I never stopped believing in you. No one did. But like I said, this isn't about choosing a new Iron Man. There was a world before him, and there will be one after. This is about my ideas--the plans and inventions that I hoped would make the world a better place. This is about making sure those things don't fall into the wrong hands. I don't even want to imagine the suffering that could cause… That's where you come in it. I need your help, Steve. I need you to keep an eye on things now that I can't anymore--which is a lot to ask, I know, after what I've put you through. Still you're the only one I trust to make certain everything I was working for doesn't fall apart without me… and to ensure that the threats that I wasn't around to predict… don't end up blindsiding us in my absence. Our war may be over, Steve, but we both know that it won't be the last one. When the time comes, the world will still need heroes. And when the fighting is over and history is written… I can only hope that we will be remembered as more than just heroes. I hope that we will be remembered as I will always remember us… As friends.

And the typeface used in the comic is--or is very close to--Lucida Handwriting Light, which used to come free with a lot of Microsoft products.

I also have a rough mock-up of the entire letter.

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my problem as a writer and as a roleplayer is that I always want characters to do that thing where you hold your hand out, palm to the ground, and kind of tilt it quickly left and right to express uncertainty or a "kinda-sorta"/"yes and no" vibe. but I don't know an official term for this so I always just call it the Noncommittal Hand Waggle