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Desperate me has a hard time placing myself among all (!) quadras, even, not knowing which ExFx I am. Probably due to low Ti, ironically 😅You don't have to write a book, though if you have time, what's /the/ surefire way to know which ExE/xEE one is? I've tried everything, to no avail. So frustrating not to find one's type 😭Thank you in advance. PS: What a marvelously informative and concise blog! I read it for hours, it's all so neatly laid out 😍What is your type, in fact? - ethic anon ❤️

I'm glad you find the information here helpful!

To distinguish between ExE and xEE, the easiest thing to do first would be determine whether Ti is your suggestive function or your vulnerable function.

Ti (introverted logic) is the function that analyzes formal rules and patterns. It tries to achieve understanding by establishing relationships between facts. For types that value Ti, facts are only accepted if they already fit into the overall logical structure that the Ti user has created. Things have to "make sense", based on their own understanding and analysis. Facts that are outside of this structure can be discarded.

So to narrow it down, ask yourself:

Do you like it when someone provides long, detailed and orderly explanations about things? - likely ExE, Ti suggestive

OR do you lose patience when someone is overly detailed and would prefer to just be shown what to do in an efficient way? - likely xEE, Ti polr

Do you more often feel rules and guidelines provide a helpful structure that gives you a sense of organization? Are rules a source of comfort? - likely ExE, Ti suggestive

OR do you more often feel rules and guidelines are restrictive and unnecessary? - likely xEE, Ti polr

Do you put great care into filling out paperwork and forms and strive to be precise when doing so? - likely ExE, Ti suggestive

Is it frustrating to fill out forms, complete official paperwork or work on administrative tasks? Would you prefer to avoid it completely and have someone else take care of it? - likely xEE, Ti polr

Are you usually interested in how and why something works? - likely ExE, Ti suggestive

...Or just how to use it? - likely xEE, valued Te > Ti

Reflecting on the above and figuring out which of those you lean toward more often will hopefully help narrow down your relationship with Ti.

Once you've figured that out, the next thing to do to help narrow it down is figure out whether you are a sensory type or intuitive type.

If you've decided you are likely ExE - Do you have a strong understanding of your bodily needs and those of others? Do you know how to create comfort for yourself and others? Are you an aesthete with a natural eye for what looks good and a strong understanding of how to create beauty? Is harmony and beauty in your surroundings very important to you, and are you able to create it? Are you a natural caregiver or natural hostess? If so...likely ESE.

On the other hand, do you ignore or overestimate all the above? Are you either overly concerned with, or completely indifferent to, your health, appearance, and the beauty and harmony of your surroundings? Do you struggle taking care of your own physical needs and those of others? Do you have trouble judging whether something looks good, or have you ever been told you have strange tastes? Is cooking and caretaking something you would rather not ever have to do, and something you struggle with when you do have to? If so...likely EIE.

If you've decided you are likely xEE - Are you fascinated with and constantly looking for the unique, mysterious, strange, and unusual? Do you frequently fantasize and daydream? Do you have a good feel for opportunities? Are you easily able to see the multitude of possibilities available to you in the world, easily see what could be, but get exhausted with sustained physical exertion? Do you lack a natural athleticism and struggle to be aware of what is happening around you in the present moment? If so...likely IEE

OR do you have a naturally strong command over your body, a natural athleticism, and a high awareness of what is happening around you in the present moment? Does sustained physical exertion come easily to you, do you like physical challenges? Do you feel natural putting pressure on others? Are you naturally domineering and enjoy using force to overcome obstacles? Are you a practical and concrete person? Do you live in the present moment and see things for what they are, but struggle to see what could be or what might happen in the future? If so...likely SEE.

If you reflect on what you are most likely to lean toward from the options above, it should give you some ability to narrow it down to your type. There are many other differences between the various ExEs and xEEs, but the above points are some of the easiest ways to distinguish between them.

#comparisons

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socionicsdatabase · 2 years ago

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Quick question! I’m a bit stuck between EIE and ESE ://

It’s hard to notice what my PoLr is but all i know is I’m more intuitive and imaginative as a person (and was always called the creative and expressive type) yet idk if my Si is bad?

Okay, so you're trying to identify between Ni polr vs. Si polr.

Si-polr: Do you feel out of touch with your body? The EIE does not naturally pay much attention to things like comfort and health. They may be unaware if something is making them sick, or be unaware that they are even sick in the first place. They may forget to eat and drink, may not realize they are hungry or tired, and can feel irritated if someone tries to slow them down to pay attention to those things. If given the choice, the EIE would probably prefer not to have a body at all. EIEs also tend to be absentminded, are impractical, and may have no idea whether a certain food or item is high quality or not. Their aesthetic taste may be odd or completely ignored, wearing clothing that does not match or colors that do not go well together. They may see themselves as "beyond" any physical concerns.

Ni-polr: Do you lack a natural sense of time? Are you impatient, or often in a hurry? The ESE is often worried that they are going to be late. This applies not only to appointments, but also to milestones and life in general. For example, an ESE may fear they have "run out of time" if they are not married or have children by a certain "expected" age. They lack confidence in the unfolding of time and as a result may rush into or force things before they are ready. ESEs tend to need schedules with time slots in order to feel comfortable. They may feel very distressed if something/someone is taking up too much of their time and they are thrown off schedule. They will almost always arrive on time, and have high expectations that others will do the same.

So ask yourself, which do you have greater struggle with - being in tune with your body, or being in tune with the flow of time?

Both ESEs and EIEs can be creative and expressive. If you are an ESE and Si is your creative function, you will be confident with the physical world, have a good sense of aesthetics, know what tastes/smells/looks good, and will know how to create comfort and harmony in the environment naturally. If you are an EIE, you will likely have a hard time with all of those things, but you will be far-sighted with a good sense of how things are likely to unfold in the future. EIEs are patient, they are not afraid of the passage of time. They know when to act and when to wait.

You say that you are intuitive. What are you intuitive about? Are you intuitive about time? Do you have a natural gut feeling for when is the right time to act? If so, that is likely EIE.

#EIE vs ESE

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socionicsdatabase · 2 years ago

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May I request a typing?

Of course! Please do. It can take a while but I do respond to every ask I get.

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INFj (EII) Vs INFp (IEI)

These two quasi-identical types have the same strength of each function, but in very different positions. Both are dreamers with a good understanding of people, but with different approaches and values.

Fi Lead (4D - EII, Valued) vs. Fi Demonstrative (4D - IEI, Unvalued)

Both of these types have strong introverted ethics, and both are skilled at understanding the bonds between people as well as the hidden feelings and emotions. The difference is that Fi is the focus of the EII, while the IEI downplays it's importance. The EII is focused on their own personal feelings about things and people - how a certain person or situation makes them feel, and how close or distant they want to be to that. This is the lens that guides their decisions.

In contrast, the focus of the IEI is the unfolding of time. Unlike the EII, they are not "ethical analysts" (Stratiyevskaya). They are willing to overlook their own likes, dislikes, and personal preferences in favor of the prevailing emotional atmosphere of the moment. They are more concerned with the way emotions are being expressed, rather than analyzing whether they are right or wrong. Such judgments often occur subconsciously for the IEI.

Ne creative (3D - EII, Valued) vs. Ne Ignoring (3D - IEI, Unvalued)

The EII is constantly evaluating possibilities. They can easily see the various ways that a situation or relationship can unfold. Fixating on only one option can seem limiting to EIIs. EIIs are also more likely to focus on "what could be" rather than "what is", as they can easily see the potential within a person or situation.

In contrast, although IEIs can also see many different paths, they prefer to focus only on the one they believe is most likely. This can make them less hesitant and indecisive than EIIs, because they are not constantly focusing on the other possibilities.

Role Ti (2D - EII, Unvalued) vs. Ti Mobilizing (2D - IEI, Valued)

The EII can appear analytical, but truly the EII is an analyst only of people. They can be skilled at going into great depth and give detailed explanations regarding human behavior. Because Ti is weak, their explanations may seem too wordy and overly descriptive, but they do know how to describe things in depth. When it comes to analysis of other topics outside of people, however, they may have very little interest or ability. For example, an EII may be able to give a detailed explanation of the potential conflict that could arise between two people. However, when asked to analyze a topic removed from relations and people, such as the ingredients in a chemical reaction, they may fail or have to put in significantly more effort. Long explanations of logical systems may be seen by the EII as unnecessary and overly complicated; they would rather someone tell them how to use the information in a practical way.

In contrast, IEIs greatly appreciate in-depth explanations on systems of information. They don't mind if it isn't something they can actually put into practical use. They just enjoy making sense of things. This may be why the hidden agenda of IEIs is "to understand". IEIs (and SEIs) are driven to make sense of the world around them, and Ti ego types help them to accomplish this.

Se Vulnerable (1D - EII, Unvalued) vs. Se Suggestive (1D - IEI, Valued)

EIIs value harmony and peace in their daily lives and dislike it when someone interrupts that by trying to "push them" into action (Si > Se). They don't like physically exerting themselves and are not naturally inclined to athletics. They also tend to dislike aggressive actions and open displays of power and status, and see such things as crass and unnecessary.

In contrast, IEIs do want someone who stimulates them to action. Big, bold displays of power and strength tend to be impressive to them. They enjoy having strong people in their life who can take action. Unlike EIIs, the IEI appreciates it when someone "shakes things up" and pushes them.

Te Suggestive (1D - EII, Valued) vs. Te Vulnerable (1D - IEI, Unvalued)

EIIs appreciate competent, knowledgeable people who can get things done. EIIs tend to be conservative with spending and may excessively save what they have. They admire a skilled use of resources and being shown how they can make the best, most efficient use of what they have. They are often trying to learn new things and appreciate it when someone can demonstrate the best way to do something.

In contrast, IEIs appreciate a bit of extravagance. They tend to be more interested in appearances than practicality. They may be poor at managing money and have difficulty saving resources. They are more interested in how things work versus actually having to use them (Ti > Te). Being shown how to do a particular task may be seen as patronizing by them.

Si Mobilizing (2D - EII, Valued) vs. Si Role (2D - IEI, Unvalued)

The EII functions best in environments that are pleasing to their senses. While some types can ignore discomfort and get the job done, the EII has a hard time doing their best if the environment is lacking harmony. Often, however, EIIs struggle to create a harmonious environment themselves. For example, they may have no idea how to buy a comfortable chair, how to adjust lighting to avoid glare, or how to arrange furniture, but they do need to have all of these things in place before they can perform at their best.

IEIs may actively try to create an environment that is pleasing to the senses, but their aesthetic tastes are based more on status and expensive items than on practicality or comfort (valued Se > unvalued Si). For example, an office designed by an IEI may have flashy, eye-catching furniture that is costly and artistically arranged, but is impractical for daily use. Unlike an Si ego type, IEIs are not naturally able to balance both aesthetics and functionality.

Fe Ignoring (3D - EII, Unvalued) vs. Fe Creative (3D - IEI, Valued)

The EII can easily see the prevailing emotional atmosphere. They know when people want them to smile, laugh, or give an emotional reaction in some way. However, EIIs only choose to show emotions when they themselves feel like it, regardless of what the people around them are doing. If everyone in the room is laughing and having a good time but the EII is having a bad day, they will not join in, even if it "kills the mood". The EII also tends to be private and protective about their emotions. They will show only what they want to show, and may conceal other feelings that they do not want others to know.

The IEI, in contrast, will ignore their own emotions in order to blend into the overall emotional atmosphere around them. The IEI is skilled at crafting the exact emotional response that they know others want from them, and can use the emotional environment as a "tool". As Beta types, IEIs think it is important for all emotions to be expressed - whether positive or negative, as long as it is honest and authentic. Concealing emotions may be seen as dishonest.

Ni Demonstrative (4D - EII, Unvalued) vs. Ni Lead (4D - IEI, Valued)

The EII can "feel time" the way an IEI can. They can sense when the time is right for something and can feel the way things are unfolding, however, it is not an ability they are able to consciously tap into or control like an IEI. The EII's sense of time is often used in the background, and may give them vivid memories of certain events in time that made a particular impression. As Stratiyevskaya notes, "Some of the representatives of this type have a phenomenal memory and can even in old age describe in detail the events that happened to them in early childhood, consistently restoring in memory all the circumstances to the smallest detail." Ni demonstrative also enables EIIs to understand when is the right time to act in regard to relationships. They are not rushed or hurried, knowing that all things will happen at the right time.

In contrast to the subconscious background workings of Ni in the EII, the IEI consciously "conducts" time, subjecting everyone to their own pace (Stratiyevskaya). For example, the IEI may drag out a conversation or intentionally stall a person. They do not like to keep themselves busy with activity, acting only when they know the time for action is right. With their mastering and conscious manipulation of time, the IEI can save their energy and avoid the pitfalls of hasty action, appearing to "walk into" favorable moments at just the right time. As Stratiyevskaya notes, the IEI "knows how to "sit out" troubled times in some kind of "safe harbor" or arrange for himself an "incubation period" under someone's "wing".

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Hello! What do you think about Belle's socionics type in 1991 ver and 2017 ver? I think the Live-Action one is an EII and the animated one is an IEI. But I want to ask your opinion tho, because I'm not good at putting my thoughts into word.

Hi there,

I agree that the 2017 Live-Action version of Belle leads with Fi, but I would say ESI over EII. In that movie, she's described as "strong-willed" and takes action quickly without hesitation. She's very forceful about doing what she thinks is right, which points to Se serving as a tool to implement Fi judgments. She doesn't spend any time contemplating the possible options, the way an EII would - she is decisive and acts immediately. Her intuition also seems to be weak. She likes to read books, but unlike the animated Belle, she doesn't read primarily to feed her imagination or daydream. Instead, she reads to gain practical knowledge and information, which she then puts into action through her inventions.

The animated Belle seems to be the EII. If she were an IEI, I think she would have been more compatible with Gaston. Gaston leads with Se and has an "aggressor" romance style - he wants to "conquer" Belle, which is exactly one of the things she hates about him. In contrast, an IEI would actually respond well to that kind of approach. IEIs typically want someone to fearlessly overcome obstacles to pursue and conquer them. With Se in the suggestive position, the IEI is impressed by someone who shows their strength and power. They naturally desire the bold leader, like Gaston, who does not let anyone stop them. Gaston is a hunter. He is competitive and not hesitant to go after what he wants, even with resistance. He does not back down easily. These traits would be impressive to IEIs (and ILIs) with the suggestive Se. However, this would not typically impress the EII, who with unvalued, painful Se would see such displays of strength as crass and excessive, and would see Gaston's persistence as invasive and disrespectful rather than courageous (which is what Belle does).

This is just a brief analysis for now, but I have both versions of Belle on my typing list and plan to be adding them in the near future.

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socionicsdatabase · 2 years ago

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Hi! I'd be so thankful if you'd help me type myself.

I have had so many tests which results are always EII or LII, some of them included relative results, as it determines the percentage of my answers matching each type, and so the result is most of the time in this order: 1)EII 2)LII 3)ILI/IEI 4)ILE 5)IEI and the rest are almost null.

upon reading a little about the information elements I can confirm that both my Ne and Ni are strong and I'm pretty sure that Ne is the valued one, on the other hand both my Se and Si are very weak I don't know which one is the valued one though (I only concluded that it's Si depending on the previous data), this helped me eliminate the ILI and IEI, but still I'm having trouble determining the positions of the judging elements, I tried reading about the quadras values and I can say that I relate to the Alpha quadra primarily, and to a lesser extent the Delta quadra, reading about each type didn't help either I can't say that I don't relate to any or relate to all, I simply don't know if I do relate or not, seeing how the more I read the more confused I get, I thought I should seek assistance before I embark upon reading about the DCNH and the lead/parent subtypes.

if considering my types in other systems would do any help, here's what I'm sure about:

Enneagram core: 6(w5)

Tritype: 694

Instinctual Variants : Sp/Sx (So blind spot)

BigFive: [R]LUAI

Attitudinal Psyche (not super sure but like 60%): 1V2 2E3 3L1 4F4 (VELF)

Thanks in advance!

Hi, thanks for the question.

The problem with personality tests is that it is hard to get an accurate result unless you are absolutely sure you are answering honestly and objectively. And that can be hard to do. However, it sounds like you have tried many different tests and are always scoring either as EII or LII.

So, I would say the easiest way to tell the difference between those two types is to ask yourself how easy it is for you to accurately assess feelings, both of your own and of others. The EII can easily see and understand the way another person feels. They are excellent at reading body language, and can also often accurately determine the feelings between two individuals and the type of relationship between them. They can even see the potential relationship between two people and what is likely to develop. They are not mind readers and are not always right - but they are much more in tune with these things than an LII. They are also highly aware of their own preferences, like/dislikes, and personal feelings towards everything. Their subjective experience of their feelings is what they use to make their judgments and it guides their decisions.

In contrast, the LII has trouble accurately picking up on another person's feelings. They are also often not "in tune" with their own feelings toward people and things, because it is not what they are using to make their judgments and decisions. Instead, the LII relies on their own system of logical reasoning. Of course, LIIs do have feelings like everyone else, but their detection and understanding of emotions is weak. With weak and valued Fe, LIIs need clear, openly expressed emotions in order to be confident about them. They are not able to easily pick up on subtle cues and emotional body language the way that EIIs can. The LII may also be more likely to accidentally offend someone because they are not as aware of how their words and actions may impact the emotions of others. EIIs are also more sensitive and more easily hurt than LIIs, who are less likely to care what people think of them.

Using romantic attraction as an example, the LII is the kind of person who could be around someone for years and have no idea that the person was romantically interested in them. In contrast, the EII would have picked up on that a long time ago, because the EII is highly in tune with subtle cues and body language that give away emotions. Also, with valued Fi, the EII can often understand feelings without words or open expression. In contrast, the LII, with weak ethical functions and valued Fe, needs and prefers open, clear emotional expression. Without that, they may have no idea how another person feels or can only determine it with great difficulty. This is why LIIs are compatible with high Fe users - types like ESEs and SEIs are emotionally expressive and thus easier for the LII to understand.

Also, the EII may be more protective and secretive of their feelings than the LII. The EII is aware of their feelings and emotional reactions, but may be hesitant to make them known. In contrast, the LII may be more willing to express their feelings when prompted, but is less likely to identify what they are to begin with.

As for Quadra values, Delta emphasizes the individual unique characteristics that make us different from each other, while Alpha emphasizes the ways that we are all the same and would prefer to eliminate those differences. Democratic (Alpha and Gamma) vs. Aristocratic (Delta and Beta). Asking yourself which of those resonates more with you could further help differentiate between EII and LII.

So, I hope this helps. Both of them can appear similar on the outside, both are very reserved and analytical, but the EII understands human behavior and emotions much more easily than the LII, who may struggle in that area.

Based on your results, I think the 4 fix in your tritype combined with your Big Five result of RLUAI makes EII seem more likely, as "limbic" types are more sensitive, more easily hurt and more aware of their emotions and emotional reactions. This corresponds more with EII than LII. Also, the way that you described the process of typing yourself sounds more like an Fi/Te approach - you are searching for information (Te) and determining whether or not you can personally relate to it/share the same values (Fi). LIIs would likely take a more organized, impersonal approach of learning the personality system in depth first and then deciding where they fit within that system.

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ESI(ISFj) vs SLI(ISTp)

Lead Fi (4D - ESI, Valued) vs. Fi Mobilizing (2D - SLI, Valued)

One of the easiest ways to distinguish between these two types is to look at their comfort level regarding relationships and emotions. The ESI leads with introverted ethics and is easily able to see the bonds/attraction between people. The ESI can often accurately determine how a person feels just by observing them, and because Fi is their lead function, they are very confident in the accuracy of these assessments. They can tell who likes/dislikes who, and can easily see affinities between people.

In contrast, the SLI is often uncertain about the feelings of other people. With Fi in the activation position, they are motivated to have close relationships and often have deep feelings of attachment, but are unconfident in this area. They may try to keep deep feelings hidden out of fear. They are not able to easily determine how another person feels about them. Even if they know a person feels positively about them, they may feel uncertain in what to do and unsure of how to establish a closer relationship. They can harbor feelings for a long time without acting on them because this is a weak area of confidence for them and they may not be sure what to do about it.

Creative Se (3D - ESI, Valued) vs. Se Ignoring (3D - SLI, Unvalued)

Both ESIs and SLIs have good command of their bodies, both are observant and both are in tune with their surroundings and the present moment. Both of them are also quite capable of defending themselves through force when necessary. The difference is that ESIs use pressure and force quite frequently to achieve a specific aim, while SLIs use it much more rarely. ESIs use pressure and forcefulness as a tool to achieve the aims/goals as dictated by their lead Fi. As rational types, they have an idea of the way things "should" be, according to their own personal sense of ethics. ESIs are often driven to "push" others into action. This is appreciated by LIEs and ILIs, who need that extra forceful push to motivate them.

In contrast, SLIs are much more "go with the flow" types. They can come across as "softer" and more gentle than ESIs, and the more forceful and aggressive side of them can usually only be seen when their boundaries are crossed. SLIs do not put pressure on others and do not respond well to outside pressure, obstinately refusing it. They do not allow others to push them into action. The more one tries to put pressure on an SLI, the more stubbornly they will refuse it.

Role Ti (2D - ESI, Unvalued) vs. Demonstrative Ti (4D - SLI, Unvalued)

ESIs appreciate structure and try to be objective and logical in their assessments, but they are highly guided by their subjective values. Their personal feelings color almost everything they do. For example, they may categorize people without realizing that their own emotions are creating bias. For example, they may categorize people into "good" and "bad" groupings without realizing that their assessments are being driven by how they personally feel about them. While they appreciate rules and laws, they strictly adhere to them only if they are in line with their lead Fi judgments.

SLIs can be organized and structured, but it is not something they consciously pay much attention to. Introverted logic for SLIs is primarily used to provide clarity and explanations for their subjective sensory impressions. As Stratiyevskaya says, "With the help of logical symbols, Gabin [SLI] expresses the world of his subtlest sensual sensations, the state of his deepest experiences. "Sensory symbolism", in turn, fills his subjective sensations with meaning and meaning and makes them accessible to the understanding of the people around him."

Ne Vulnerable (1D - ESI, Unvalued) vs. Ne Suggestive (1D - SLI, Valued)

Another way to help distinguish between these two is to look at their openness to the unusual and unexpected. Although both ESIs and SLIs are traditional and routine-oriented, SLIs welcome the new and the strange, while ESIs do not. ESIs, as rational types driven by their strong lead judging function, tend to be closed-off to anything that seems to differ from their lead Fi judgments. Anything new or out of the ordinary is viewed with wariness. "What if" scenarios and the presentation of various alternatives can make them feel fearful and stressed.

Like ESIs, SLIs are also very traditional types and can struggle with the new and unusual. Unlike ESIs, however, they actually welcome it. SLIs often enjoy talking about and exploring the supernatural, the unknown, the extraordinary and strange, the weird and bizarre. They greatly appreciate people who can introduce these things into their lives. They have an appreciation for the unique, and also appreciate it when other people can see the unique potential within them. They like being presented with multiple possibilities and ideas. ESIs, on the other hand, may not see the point in entertaining such ideas. They may reject anything they see as too bizarre, and being presented with multiple possibilities can make them anxious, as they are looking for one correct option and are generally not interested in exploring the others (Ni > Ne).

Te Suggestive (1D - ESI, Valued) vs. Te Creative (3D - SLI, Valued)

Another clear difference between these two types is to look at the ease and confidence at which they accomplish tasks efficiently. ESIs are often workaholics who keep themselves busy doing many different things, but they may not be doing them in an efficient way. In contrast, SLIs know how to perform a task well and how to accomplish it while expending the least amount of energy possible. For example, an ESI may spend all day clearing their driveway of snow, while an SLI can accomplish the same task even better in just an hour or two. The ESI has the energy and the drive to work hard at a task, but they are often lacking the knowledge at how best to accomplish it.

Ni Mobilizing (2D - ESI, Valued) vs. Ni Role (2D - SLI, Unvalued)

In combination with vulnerable Ne, ESIs want to know what is the right option to choose, and when is the right time to do it. This kind of information is something they receive from ILIs and LIEs, who have the logic of actions (Te) and intuition of time (Ni) as strong ego functions. Without this information, ESIs can feel very unconfident when making decisions about the future. They may constantly seem rushed or in a hurry, frequently occupying themselves with taking action, though they do not know if the actions they are taking are the right ones. Combined with creative Se, ESIs also have a tendency to push, rush and hurry other people as well. They can experience a lot of anxiety regarding knowing what to do and when to do it, and greatly appreciate it when someone can advise them on those aspects.

With Ni as a role function, SLIs appear much more relaxed about time. They tend to have a contemplative demeanor and can spend long periods of time without actively doing something. The SLI "as a rule, does not hurry anywhere" (Beskova). They do not like to hurry or be rushed, but have their own sense of when to do things. Because their intuition is weak, it can take SLIs a very long time to take a particular action (especially if this action is related to something emotional), but they will do it when they feel they are ready, regardless of outside pressure.

Fe Ignoring (3D - ESI, Unvalued) vs. Fe Vulnerable (1D - SLI, Unvalued)

Both ESIs and SLIs tend to come across as calm, reserved, and cold. The difference is that ESIs are confident about expressing their emotions if/when they choose to, while SLIs are fearful of it. It is important to SLIs to appear to be in control of their emotions at all times. Strong emotions truly make them feel vulnerable. It is uncomfortable for them, it disrupts their inner harmony (Si lead) and stormy emotional showdowns from others may even be viewed by SLIs as a sign of mental instability (Stratiyevskaya). In contrast, ESIs are comfortable with emotional expression, but may simply choose not to engage in it if they don't feel like it. They do not have the fearfulness and discomfort of emotional expression that is typical of SLIs.

Si Demonstrative (4D - ESI, Unvalued) vs. Si Lead (4D - SLI, Valued)

Both ESIs and SLIs know how to create comfort for themselves and others. Both types have a strong sense of aesthetics, can effortlessly dress well and have an eye for decorating. However, comfort and harmony of sensations may be overlooked by ESIs if they get in the way of achieving some bigger goal or gain. For example, ESIs will "push" themselves or others while ignoring comfort and health if it helps in the achievement of an objective. Inner harmony is subconsciously present in the background, but is not as important as gaining something through action (Se > Si).

For SLIs, however, harmony and aesthetics are of supreme importance. They view the world through the lens of subjective sensory harmony. The beauty and harmony of appearances, tastes and sounds are all constantly being sought after by SLIs, and they are very confident in their tastes. They will move toward things that are pleasing to their senses, and move away from things that are unpleasant. In contrast, ESIs are more likely to deliberately push themselves and others into doing things that are viewed as unpleasant as a type of challenge or obstacle to overcome (Se > Si).

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How can I request typing and what should I do ?

Thanks

Hi, to request a typing just click on the 'QUESTIONS/REQUEST A TYPING' link at the top of the page and send it in. I do still respond to every one of them, though it may take a while because I like to be thorough when answering and often have to do extra research when writing up the answers.

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Someone on Sunday set a class for Thursday , and on Monday he also set another class for Thursday at the same time because he forgot that he set a class on Sunday ( In other words: he now have two classes at the same hour and day because he forgot about the first class when he set up the second class ) , is this low Ni or low Te ? Thanks

It depends on if this is a consistent pattern. We can all have a temporary lapse of memory and be forgetful, regardless of type. It may not be type related. But if this is something that happens often, and this person seems to be bad at managing time as a frequent character trait, it is more likely related to low Ni than Te. Te is about the logic of actions - doing things efficiently, figuring out the best way to perform an action. It is not related to time in itself, which is more the realm of Ni.

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LII (INTj) Vs SLI (ISTp)

Lead Si (4D - SLI, Valued) vs. Si Mobilizing (2D - LII, Valued)

One of the first and most obvious differences you'll notice between these two types is the degree of comfort with the physical world around them. With lead introverted sensation backed by creative extroverted logic, SLIs are competent and comfortable in hands-on situations. Practical and resourceful, things like camping and wilderness survival come naturally to SLIs. They know how to make good use of scarce resources, and enjoy doing so. Not only do they enjoy applying practical hands-on skills in the natural world, they also enjoy teaching these skills to others, and are usually very good at doing so. SLIs are observant, know how to prepare themselves for unexpected situations and can quickly adapt and respond to their surroundings.

With lead Si, SLIs also tend to have a natural sense of aesthetics and style. They naturally know how to pick clothing that fits and flatters them, have an eye for recognizing and creating beauty in themselves and their environment, and may be natural artists or musicians due to their ability to create harmony. In addition to being aristocratic types, SLIs may be seen as overly critical or snobby when it comes to aesthetics due to their high standards and tastes in these areas. Indeed, "few can compare with representatives of this type in the ability to give a comparative analysis of the color scheme or composition of this or that artist" (Stratiyevskaya).

In contrast, LIIs tend to live in their heads and in their imaginations, making them oblivious to details in their actual environment. With weak sensing functions, and extroverted sensation as a painful vulnerable point, LIIs would be extremely uncomfortable if thrown into a wilderness situation and expected to survive. While SLIs tend to enjoy and be "at-home" exploring the natural, physical world around them, LIIs are more likely to enjoy and be "at-home" with mental stimulation in their own heads. Hands-on skills do not come naturally to them, and they tend to be clumsier and lack the physical coordination of SLIs.

LIIs are also not as naturally "in-tune" with their bodies, or at recognizing or taking care of their body's needs. They usually appreciate it when someone else can lead them or provide guidance when it comes to navigating the sensory world. This is exactly one of the reasons they are referred to as "Infantile" types according to Gulenko's romance styles; taking care of practical matters does not come naturally to LIIs, they tend to struggle with this and appreciate it when someone else can show them the way in this area.

Creative Te (3D - SLI, Valued) vs. Te Ignoring (2D - LII, Unvalued)

As mentioned earlier, SLIs are highly resourceful. Think of the aviator Charles Lindbergh, the first person who successfully flew across the Atlantic by making good use of very little resources; or the American frontiersman Kit Carson, who walked on foot from California to Washington DC in only 60 days, surviving by drinking cactus water and trapping animals for food as needed. Extroverted logic, when combined with lead introverted sensation, gives rise to a person who can figure out how to thrive on minimal resources. SLIs know how to scan their external surroundings, figure out what needs to be done, and can do it efficiently and competently.

In contrast, LIIs are not typically the most "practical" people. They tend to ignore applied logic in favor of their own internal logic and thought processes. While the SLI may work through things using their hands, the LII prefers to work through things using their imaginations. Using the above examples, the LII might think about what it would take to fly across the Atlantic ocean, and might consider all the possible ways that a person could theoretically walk from California to Washington DC; but actually doing it is something they prefer to keep in their imaginations. LIIs are natural analysts and can thoroughly work out all the possible logical outcomes of every decision. This makes them highly insightful, but they are not action-oriented.

Role Ni (2D - SLI, Unvalued) vs. Demonstrative Ni (4D - LII), Valued

Both SLIs and LIIs generally have a contemplative demeanor. SLIs can spend long periods of time sitting and thinking without taking any action. They can be fascinated with mysticism and may try to cultivate their imaginations. They tend to give off an aura of mystery themselves. Role Ni helps SLIs (and SEIs) see the deeper meaning behind all of their subjective impressions, which enables them to experience the natural world in a spiritual way. For example, as Charles Lindbergh (SLI) said: "In the wilderness I sense the miracle of life, and behind it our scientific accomplishments fade to trivia". With role Ni, SLIs experience nature as a bridge to the supernatural world. However, with weak intuition, they are much more comfortable in the natural world, and tend to lack the depth of imagination that comes so easily to the LII. SLIs may also struggle to see the bigger picture and have difficulty imagining how future events can unfold.

In contrast, LIIs are quite at home in their imagination. They have a natural feel for the flow of time and can easily see how future possibilities are likely to unfold. They may spend a lot of time thinking about events across time, for the sake adding greater understanding to their mental frameworks. They tend not to trust their gut instinct about how a situation is likely to play out as much as an ILI or IEI would, however, they still have that natural ability within them. Demonstrative Ni gives a natural confidence that all things will work out at the right time, as they should, and they can be very insightful.

Fe Vulnerable (1D - SLI, Unvalued) vs. Fe Suggestive (1D - LII, Valued)

The differing responses to expressed emotions is another easy way to differentiate between these two types. The easiest way this difference can be described is "repression vs. expression". The SLI tends to respond to strong emotions by repressing them as much as possible, while the LII will want to express their emotions and appreciates people who can get them to do this.

Extroverted ethics is a weak function in both SLIs and LIIs, and both may appear unemotional at first. But for the SLI, the expression of personal emotions is truly painful at times. More than any other types, SLIs (and ILIs) are terrified of having their personal emotions exposed to ridicule, which makes them extremely uncomfortable with anyone who tries to get them to "open up' emotionally. Maintaining an outward calm and stability is important to SLIs. In the face of chaotic emotions, their natural reaction is to stay calm and stoic until it dies down, or to get away from the situation. Some Socionics theorists, such as Stratiyevskaya, have noted that SLIs (and ILIs) may even see chaotic emotions as a sign of mental instability.

According to Stratiyevskaya, the SLI "would rather look like an insensitive idol in someone's eyes than allow someone to discover his true state of mind...He will try his best to look restrained, calm, in control of the situation, smiling imperturbably, so as not to betray his real feelings. Any attempt to break his "armor" with increased emotional impact (in other words, tantrums and scandals) is perceived by him as a monstrous act that has no equal." The SLI would rather appear rude and insensitive than make themselves vulnerable by revealing certain emotions before they are ready.

In contrast, LIIs tend to enjoy emotionally expressive environments, and can appreciate it when someone encourages them to express themselves and how they feel. People with strong extroverted ethics can make the LII feel like they are "coming alive". According to Stratiyevskaya, the LII "connects to the mood of others very carefully. In the company of people who are not sympathetic to him, he is constrained and withdrawn. Only when he gets into an atmosphere of relaxed fun, sincere cordiality, warmth and comfort, does he begin to "thaw", relax, recharge with a general mood, and become a charming and interesting conversationalist. He literally begins to sparkle with fun, smiles with a most charming, "sunny" smile, jokes subtly and gracefully, entertains the company with all sorts of funny stories that you usually want to remember and then retell to someone else." Instead of repressing their own strong emotions like the SLI tends to do, the LII is more likely to let those emotions out somehow, and they appreciate being allowed an outlet to do so.

Ne suggestive (1D - SLI, Valued) vs. Ne Creative (3D - LII, Valued)

SLIs tend to enjoy mystery, exploring the unknown, and often have an interest in the unusual, paranormal and supernatural. However, they usually need to be prompted in these areas in order to pay attention to them. Left to their own devices, SLIs have difficulty "thinking outside the box", may miss out on opportunities, and can be very conventional. They may struggle to see alternative paths and be unaware of the many different options available. They may also have a hard time seeing a solution or way out of a difficult situation.

LIIs, on the other hand, are highly skilled at seeing the many different options and possibilities available. Using their imaginations, the LII can easily see and analyze the many different ways a situation could play itself out. LIIs are unconventional thinkers who can easily come up with new ideas, creative solutions and new ways of thinking about things. Strong creative Ne also means that LIIs are able to pick out the path or opportunity most suited to their goals and needs, as dictated by their lead introverted logic.

Fi Mobilizing (2D - SLI, Valued) vs. Role Fi (2D - LII, Unvalued)

With introverted ethics in the mobilizing position, the SLI is actually highly motivated and inspired by love, and their entire hidden agenda is "to love". It may not seem like it on the outside, however, because Fe in the vulnerable position leads them to hide and repress their deep emotions. SLIs tend to be highly aware of what they like/dislike, but passionate feelings are stirred up within them rarely. Sometimes they satisfy this function by taking care of a pet (Stratiyevskaya), unable to find a fellow human who they feel strongly about. However, when they do find someone who stirs up those feelings and enables them to act on their hidden agenda to love, they can hold on to the person for a very long time. The SLI is "capable of falling in love from a distance, only by eyes, observing the person who randomly captured his heart for a long time" (Beskova). Of course, when faced with these strong emotions, the natural reaction of the SLI is to repress and hide it until they can finally bear it no longer. Only a highly intuitive person may be able pick up on the subtle ways that the hidden feelings of the SLI are (often subconsciously) expressed. Their understanding of relationships is weak, and their fear of exposing their emotions to ridicule can make it very difficult to get close to them in the beginning.

With Fi as an unvalued function in the role position, the LII may appear to be more in-tune with their personal feelings, but they are actually even less aware of them than the SLI. While the SLI is aware of their likes/dislikes and the personal feelings stirred up within them, the LII may be unaware of their own personal feelings at first. The LII is more likely to form relationships based on fun shared moments and external signs of warmth and approval, such as welcoming smiles and a jovial attitude, than on any particular personal preferences. When the LII does feel strong emotions toward someone, they are generally more comfortable expressing themselves when prompted and do not have the same instinct for repression of feelings that SLIs have.

Se Ignoring (3D - SLI, Unvalued) vs. Se Vulnerable (1D - LII, Unvalued)

Both SLIs and LIIs may appear calm, gentle and non-confrontational. Both of them also dislike being rushed and/or pushed by others. However, the SLI is more naturally able to use force and assert themselves when necessary. SLIs tend to have a strong sense of boundaries and they do not shy away from physically defending themselves.

As mentioned earlier, compared to the SLI, the LII may appear absent-minded and unaware of their surroundings. They can struggle with confrontation and are not naturally confident with confronting others or their surroundings. The LII prefers to use logic and reason to work their way through conflicts, and do not usually see the value in using brute force.

Ti Demonstrative (4D - SLI, Unvalued) vs. Ti Lead (4D - LII, Valued)

The practical-minded SLI is usually not going to spend a lot of time creating mental frameworks or logical categories in their mind. Their natural preference is to experience life as it is, rather than analyzing it. If they do create such categories, they are related to their subjective sensory impressions from their lead Si. The strong background Ti of the SLI is used to analyze aesthetics. They use it for "the play of color and tonal spots, and the play of planes; here are both spatial and textural effects so that they can be felt as if by touch; the play of light and shadows, the play of sounds - the symbolism of sounds, the symbolism of sensations. And all this sensory symbolism is filled with deep content and philosophical meaning." (Stratiyevskaya). The introverted logic of the SLI fills their sensory impressions with meaning and understanding.

For the LII, introverted logic is the all-encompassing way that they see and filter everything in their lives. For the LII (and LSI), there are logical "rules" for everything. The LII naturally sees what is just and unjust, and can analyze every situation through the lens of logic. The LII is inclined to rationalize and explain everything through logical frameworks, with the goal of determining core truths and principles that can then be applied to everything else. Often lead Ti causes the person to break apart various arguments and concepts into pieces, in order to analyze and understand each piece with clarity. Logical consistency and logical "rules" are extremely important to them. One clear example of an LII worldview is St. Thomas Aquinas and his Summa Theologiae, in which Aquinas uses his introverted logic frameworks to explain that the existence and identity of God can be discovered simply through use of logic and reasoning.

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EII (INFj) Vs SLI (ISTp)

Lead Fi (4D - EII, Valued) vs. Fi Mobilizing (2D - SLI), Valued

I think the easiest way to tell these two apart is to look at their confidence level regarding emotions and relationships. Both EIIs and SLIs tend to have intense emotions that they do not show outwardly. They are both very aware of how they feel about things and people, but the biggest difference here is that SLIs will usually not know what to do about their feelings and may be afraid of them, while EIIs are more comfortable with their emotions and are more confident to act on them.

For example, when romantically interested in someone, both EIIs and SLIs may spend a long time observing the person without giving away how they feel. The EII, however, can intuitively sense when and how to act on those feelings. The SLI, in contrast, will be much more hesitant and can spend months or even years contemplating what to do before actually taking any action. Beskova explains this SLI trait quite well, stating that the SLI “is capable of falling in love from a distance, only by eyes, observing the person who randomly captured his heart for a long time. In this case, being a contemplator by his nature, he can spend months and even years in this state and not take any action.”

While EIIs can detect how a person feels about them fairly easily, SLIs will be far more uncertain and afraid of being emotionally exposed (due to Fe as vulnerable function). SLIs (and ILIs) have Fi in the position of the mobilizing/activating function, also known as the “hidden agenda”. There is a fear of “failing” at the mobilizing function, so types with Fi in the activating position tend to keep their feelings secret at first (also due to Fe-polr) and it may take a very long time for them to take any initiative towards establishing a relationship.

With weak intuition and weak ethics, the SLI is not confident in the realm of emotions, and “his understanding of relationships is poor” (Beskova). Establishing a close relationship with an SLI is usually no easy task, even for Delta NFs. They tend to be afraid of becoming emotionally vulnerable (Fe-polr). And even if they realize that the person they like is interested in return, they may still be uncertain of what to do next, or afraid of taking the next steps to establish an actual relationship. SLIs tend to fear clearly defined relationships (Stratiyevskaya) and can try to blur the boundaries in various ways, such as disappearing at times. In contrast, EIIs are more confident in discerning another person’s motivations and feelings, and are also more likely to take a risk to establish a relationship than the SLI (though even for EIIs, this may still take a very long time, due to introversion).

Creative Ne (3D - EII, Valued) vs. Ne Suggestive (1D - SLI, Valued)

SLIs tend to be stable, routine-oriented people who greatly appreciate the introduction of new, strange, and unusual ideas. They tend to be attracted to the mysterious and unique. The supernatural world, miracles, and unnatural phenomenon all tend to be of interest to them, though they have trouble discovering these things for themselves. They appreciate creativity but can have trouble innovating on their own. They can struggle with seeing opportunities and with thinking “outside the box”. As a result, they may limit themselves to following conventional paths. They can also struggle with understanding the motivations of other people, and highly respect those who can understand and explain these things to them.

In contrast, EIIs tend to be highly imaginative and skilled at discerning the motivations and intentions of others. Unlike the conventional SLI, they (like IEEs) may come across as somewhat eccentric due to their unconventional thinking and interest in the unusual and strange. EIIs also have a strong awareness of the multiple possibilities and opportunities available to them, and can use these to their advantage.

Role Ti (2D - EII, Unvalued) vs. Demonstrative Ti (4D - SLI, Unvalued)

EIIs, with Ti as a role function, strive to come across as rational and level-headed. They are analytical and enjoy explaining their insights about people and relationships (especially in writing). They can write in a scholarly and academic way, however, they tend to struggle with writing concisely, and may include a lot of unnecessary details in their explanations. Though skilled at analysis of people, they may struggle with scientific analysis in fields such as math and science and when dealing with impersonal, objective data.

In contrast, SLIs can be skilled in analysis in scientific fields and easily interpret impersonal data, but struggle when it comes to understanding the inner workings of people.

Se Vulnerable (1D - EII, Unvalued) vs. Se Ignoring (3D - SLI, Unvalued)

Another easy way to tell these two apart is to look at their level of confidence in sensory matters. SLIs tend to be naturally athletic and in command of their bodies. They can easily excel in sports, outdoor activities, and anything requiring physical and hands-on skills. EIIs, in contrast, usually struggle with athletics and may seem to lack bodily awareness. Though they can become skilled in physical activities, it requires much more effort and does not come as naturally to them as it does for the SLI.

SLIs also tend to be very “present” and aware of what is happening around them, enabling them to react quickly if needed. In contrast, EIIs can seem absent-minded and at times oblivious to the external environment (especially if intuitive subtype). The SLI has a physical confidence and ease with their bodies that the EII does not have.

The SLI will also not shy away from confrontation and conflict when it appears. Although neither SLIs nor EIIs like conflict and both of them can seem gentle, the SLI when provoked is more confrontational and aggressive than the EII. The EII may be more conflict avoidant due to fear of disrupting the harmony of a relationship, while the SLI is much less concerned with this.

Te Suggestive (1D - EII, Valued) vs. Te Creative (3D - SLI, Valued)

The EII can seem impractical at times. EIIs can struggle to find the most effective and efficient way of doing things, which causes them to waste a lot of time and effort. In contrast, SLIs are very practical people. They can easily find the fastest and best way of completing a task. They may also enjoy teaching and instructing others with how to accomplish tasks (Stratiyevskaya).

SLIs are also highly resourceful. This tends to make them good “survivalists” who can thrive on the bare minimum. They know how to locate and maximize their resources, and can get by comfortably on very little if needed. In contrast, EIIs lack confidence in their ability to locate and use resources effectively.

Si Mobilizing (2D - EII, Valued) vs. Si Lead (4D - SLI, Valued)

SLIs are aesthetes who have an eye for beauty. They are confident in their tastes and can effortlessly create beauty and harmony, while minimizing or eliminating anything aesthetically unpleasing. Contrary to what is sometimes said of them, SLIs do not dress only for comfort. Though comfort can be one factor, it is very important to them that they are aesthetically pleasing, and they will take care of their looks and their health to ensure that this is maintained.

While EIIs may also be aesthetes and greatly appreciate beauty and harmony, they are less confident in their ability to create it. For the EII, Si is in the mobilizing position. Again, skill in the areas of the mobilizing function greatly boost a person’s confidence, while failure in these areas has a devastating impact on confidence. This makes EIIs especially sensitive to criticism about things such as their looks, style, and health, and they fear “failing” in these areas. Their health is important to them, though they often do not know the best and most efficient way to take care of themselves and it can take them a lot of effort to do so.

SLIs are also natural caregivers who can take care not only of themselves, but also others. They tend to be practical and well-prepared to handle whatever their environment requires. For example, if going hiking in cold weather, they can be counted on to have the right gloves, the appropriate jacket, a hat, and all the needed supplies. In contrast, physical preparation takes much more effort for EIIs, and they are less aware of what needs to be done. For example, they may come underdressed in cold weather or overdressed in hot weather. They are less aware of the subtle internal nuances that SLIs are so attuned to.

Fe Ignoring (3D - EII, Unvalued) vs. Fe Vulnerable (1D - SLI, Unvalued)

At first glance, both EIIs and SLIs can seem stoic and both can lack emotional expression. The difference lies in the level of confidence and comfort in external emotional expression. EIIs are highly aware of the emotional environment around them, and they can participate in it if they feel like it. They would know exactly what to do to engage. However, if they do not feel like it, they will ignore it. In contrast, SLIs may lack awareness of the emotional environment. They may not know how they can participate in it, even if they wanted to. They are wary of any emotional intrusions and are often unsure of what is expected of them in emotionally vibrant situations.

SLIs are also notoriously known for “regulating” the emotions of others, sometimes in ways that seem harsh. For example, an SLI who feels that their partner is too emotionally attached to them may suddenly disappear on them, avoid them, or can even end the relationship for a time, until they feel the person has emotionally “cooled down” and the SLI feels more comfortable with the level of emotions. According to Stratiyevskaya, “Gabin [SLI] has his own ways of “adjusting” the emotional impulses of a partner - he either inflames or cools him. Moreover, sometimes this is done by changing the psychological distance: Gabin seems to end his relationship with him, then, as if nothing had happened, resumes them again. Moreover, it never occurs to him that by “regulating” a person’s emotions in this way, he sometimes makes him suffer very much”. In this kind of behavior, the irrationality of the SLI can be seen.

In contrast, the EII is much more comfortable with emotional expression. They do not have the need to “regulate” the emotions of others, and can handle emotionally intense situations much better than the SLI.

Ni Demonstrative (4D - EII, Unvalued) vs. Ni Role (2D - SLI, Unvalued)

Both EIIs and SLIs are contemplative types who can spend long periods of time thinking things through. Neither of them appear hurried or rushed, and they both dislike it when others try to rush or push them.

The strong background Ni of EIIs enables them to intuitively feel when the right time to act has come. This is especially true with regard to development of relationships. As a result, EIIs tend to be extremely patient. EIIs also tend to have the ability to predict how relationships are going to develop, and have a significant amount of insight into this.

Unlike EIIs, SLIs lack the intuitive feel for picking out the right time to act. As a result, they may wait a significant amount of time before taking action. They are not in a hurry. As mentioned earlier, this is especially true in the realm of relationships.

With Ni as a role function, the SLI strives to appear as an insightful and contemplative individual. According to Stratiyevskaya, “He trains his intuition: he tries to predict the development of his relationship with this or that person at the earliest stage of his acquaintance with him.” However, making these kinds of predictions does not come as naturally to them as it does for the EII. They lack confidence in their abstractions and prefer to rely on what they can observe.

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SEE (ESFp) vs ESE (ESFj)

With these two types, you have an aggressor (SEE) versus a caregiver (ESE) from opposite quadras. Basically, the SEE will want to push you out of your comfort zone, while the ESE will want to create that comfort zone.

Lead Se (4D - SEE, Valued) vs. Se Demonstrative (4D - ESE, Unvalued)

SEE types like pushing themselves, physically, to the max. They seek out intense physical challenges that are difficult for them. For example, if an SEE goes rock climbing, it's because they want to do something challenging and prove that they are capable of 'conquering' it. If someone can’t keep up with them, they may see them as weak. They can appear competitive, domineering, and aggressive at times. Use of physical force is seen as something natural to them, they may see roughness and aggression as playful and they may be confused if others criticize them for it.

ESEs, in contrast, are not as concerned with pushing themselves for the sake of a challenge. They engage in physical experiences primarily because they are pleasant and enjoyable. If an ESE goes rock climbing, it's because they think it's fun and they like the feeling it gives them. The 4D Se in the ESE makes them athletic and capable of taking on difficult physical challenges. They have a lot of energy for performing physical activities. However, they don't typically seek out physical experiences just for the challenge. They can protect themselves and others if necessary, but they prefer not to use aggression and are usually gentle, docile people.

Creative Fi (3D - SEE, Valued) vs. Fi Ignoring (3D - ESE, Unvalued)

SEEs are very aware of who they like and dislike, and can quickly and easily build relationships that can help them attain their Se-driven goals. They often like to be 'in charge' of social situations and expect to be the undisputed leader in social groups (Se-Fi). They are aware of the power dynamics of social situations, and will desire for themselves to hold the upper hand in interactions. They may put particular focus on certain individuals who have what they are looking for, while not paying as much attention to others. They are also highly aware of and respectful of individual traits and characteristics, and will usually not force everyone to join the group or participate if they don’t want to.

ESEs, on the other hand, try to engage everyone equally and want everyone to be included. They tend to assume everyone wants to be included, even if that is not the case. The ESE overlooks individual personality traits and characteristics in favor of the overall collective atmosphere. It is more important to them that everyone participate and be a part of something together, regardless of their own personal preferences.

Role Ne (2D - SEE, Unvalued) vs. Mobilizing Ne (2D - ESE, Valued)

SEEs want to appear like adventurous people who are always seeking something new. They often are looking for new experiences, but these are physical experiences rooted in reality. They are not easily able to see possibilities and opportunities, and may show little interest in fantasy and abstract ideas, especially if they can’t be applied to the real world. They can quickly grow tired of discussions involving “what could be”. They would rather take action than speculate, and may see such discussions as a waste of time.

ESEs also have weak Ne, but unlike SEEs, they are fascinated by fantastical, abstract ideas, even if they have no rooting in reality. Like the Alpha NTs, they may have an interest in science fiction and enjoy discussing strange and unusual ideas, crazy inventions (Ne-Ti), and future possibilities. They enjoy talking about “what could be”, even if they don’t intend to take action right away. These types of discussions are highly enjoyable for them and can inspire them.

Vulnerable Ti (1D - SEE, Unvalued) vs. Ti Suggestive (1D - ESE, Valued)

SEEs are impulsive and often act without thinking things through. They hate having rules or structure imposed on them, and may see them as a restriction of their freedom. They also often do not have the patience for lengthy, detailed explanations. They will grow bored of any attempt to explain or define a concept in depth. They are primarily interested in the necessary information needed to do the task. “What do I need to know?” And then they will be quick to act based on that.

In contrast, ESEs will eagerly listen to in-depth, detailed explanations of concepts. They want clarity and seek to understand things in their entirety. They highly respect people who can provide clear definitions to concepts and can think things through logically (Stratiyevskaya). They also appreciate structure and will often try to act within a framework that they have accepted. They see rules and structure as comforting rather than restrictive.

Ni Suggestive (1D - SEE, Valued) vs. Vulnerable Ni (1D - ESE, Unvalued)

The SEE often acts without thinking of the consequences. They don’t think much about what is going to happen in the future, but they highly respect people who can give them some insight and clarity into it. They appreciate someone who can tell them which steps are most beneficial to take in the future (which Gamma NTs, due to their strong Ni-Te, do naturally) and want someone who can point out the right path and enable them to make good decisions. A person who knows which steps to take for the best possible future outcome is a person who can save the SEE from wasting time, and this is one of their most valuable resources.

Time is also a valuable resource for the ESE, but they may never feel that they have enough of it. Thinking about the future is a source of stress for the ESE, and unlike the SEE, they may be irritated by any attempts to tell them what they should do for the future and what decision to make. Like the SEE, they may be constantly in a hurry and constantly rushing around (Stratiyevskaya). But in contrast to the SEE, speaking about the future does not calm them or give them confidence. It only stresses them out even more. They already feel overwhelmed enough with making use of the time they have in the present moment.

Activating Te (2D - SEE, Valued) vs. Te Role (2D - ESE, Unvalued)

The SEE loves working with efficient people who can get things done effectively, and they strive to be this way themselves. They like being the leader and can be seen as bossy. They are confident that they know how to get things done quickly, and appreciate hard workers who know how to accomplish tasks well.

The ESE also likes to be seen as a productive, efficient person. They may always be busy and appear to be completing many different tasks, but this will usually be done in an ineffective way, and they may waste a lot of time and energy doing unnecessary things. The tasks they prioritize are often driven by social concerns and a desire to please others rather than real efficiency.

Si Ignoring (3D - SEE, Unvalued) vs. Si Creative (3D - ESE, Valued)

Harmony, comfort, coziness? The SEE is aware of these things, they just don’t care much about them. In their opinion, it’s much more fun to force yourself through strenuous physical challenges than it is to worry about maintaining comfort. They may be health conscious, but place a lot of emphasis on physical exertion. They may overwork themselves and pay little attention to rest and relaxation. They may even see the need for relaxation as a sign of weakness or laziness, a belief common to all the Gamma types.

In contrast, the ESE desires to create harmony, comfort, and coziness. They are natural caregivers. They want to make sure everyone is comfortable and taken care of. They enjoy taking care of the physical needs of others. Hands-on tasks such as cooking and sewing may come naturally to ESEs and they genuinely like being able to take care of others. They try to create the relaxation that SEEs may see as unimportant.

Fe Demonstrative (4D - SEE, Unvalued) vs. Fe Lead (4D - ESE, Valued)

The SEE is expressive and can come across as emotionally dramatic at times. They don’t try to hold their emotions in, but they also aren’t consciously using their emotions in any particular way. If they feel something, it just comes out. They may try to be cheerful and blend into the group atmosphere, and can often easily become the center of attention, but if something irritates them, they are not going to hide it. They can be engaging and entertaining, but it all depends on their own mood and how they are feeling.

ESEs, on the other hand, try to engage others and create a positive emotional mood regardless of how they themselves personally feel. One of their main concerns is whether or not people are enjoying themselves and having a good time. These are the types of people who see the person standing alone in the corner and will go over to them, engage them in friendly conversation, try to make them smile and laugh and then bring them into the larger group. If someone appears emotionally unexpressive, they may mistakenly think that the person is unhappy and may try to get them to “open up”. This is because Fe relies on external indications of emotion.

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SLE (ESTp) Vs EIE (ENFj)

Lead Se (4D - SLE, Valued) vs. Se Mobilizing (2D - EIE, Valued)

One of the easiest ways to tell these two apart is to look at their willpower and ability to take action. EIEs lack willpower, which is why they benefit from someone with strong Se pushing/forcing them to take action. The presence of such a person motivates the EIE to become more active themselves. Without that, they are slow to act and can spend a lot of time thinking and imagining instead of doing. They often doubt their decisions and can hesitate to act. Once they become aware of the capacity for willpower within themselves, they are greatly inspired and can more readily take action.

In contrast, the SLE is action-oriented. Once they have decided to do something, they tend to do it right away. They are confident about their actions. They don't doubt themselves, and unlike the EIE, they are not dreamers. They live in the present moment of the concrete, physical world. Thoughts quickly become actions, and they don't spend a lot of time thinking about the long-term consequences of their actions. These are also people who like to "take up space". They want to make a physical impact, and to make their presence felt and known.

Creative Ti (3D - SLE, Valued) vs. Ti Suggestive (1D - EIE, Valued)

The EIE struggles with organization. They want their ideas to be organized and structured, but they have no idea how to go about doing this. They are also constantly seeking clarity and concise explanations of things. They are fascinated by people who can explain logical systems and concepts in depth. They know how to inspire people, but they don't know how to give a structured, logical backing to their ideas.

The SLE does not need help with logical explanations. They are skilled at understanding logical systems and hierarchies, but will only use this as a tool to further their Se ambitions, such as to gain further dominance or power. Systems of logic are interpreted in a way that best serves their goals.

Role Ne (2D - SLE, Unvalued) vs. Demonstrative Ne (4D - EIE, Unvalued)

The background Ne of the EIE manifests by their belief that there are no hopeless situations. They can always see many different possibilities and options, but this may be easier for them to do for others than for themselves (Stratiyevskaya). Demonstrative Ne helps the EIE see the various possible ways that they can emotionally impact people through their lead Fe. They can always find a way out of difficult situations, if necessary.

In contrast, it's hard for the SLE to foresee various possibilities and options. They like to demonstrate their abilities and appear as adaptable, original people who can come up with unconventional solutions (Beskova and Udalova). However, though they like to appear this way, the truth is that they are not very good at this. They don't know how to pick out the best opportunity at the right time, and have trouble predicting the potential and unfolding of various possibilities. They try to make up for this by powering through various situations by force instead.

Fi Vulnerable (1D - SLE, Unvalued) vs. Fi Ignoring (EIE - 3D, Unvalued)

The SLE has a lot of trouble understanding how people feel about them, and how they themselves feel about others. They have trouble understanding bonds and relationships between people and will be clueless to a person's feelings if they are not being shown externally. They also lack a sense of what could be seen as offensive or inappropriate, and can be unaware of acting in an unethical way. Moral criticism or any questioning of their character is painful for them.

In contrast, the EIE will know whether something is right or wrong, or will be seen as inappropriate and offensive, but they will not censor themselves. Instead, they believe in free and open expression of all emotions, both positive and negative. They will express themselves freely and honestly, and encourage others to do so too. In relationships, they they may doubt the sincerity of a relationship if there is no external emotional expression of affection.

Ni Suggestive (1D - SLE, Valued) vs. Ni Creative (EIE - 3D, Valued)

The SLE has a weak understanding of the "right time" and often acts quickly without worrying about future consequences. They are very rooted in the present moment, and pay little attention to the future. They appreciate warnings about when to act and when not to. Otherwise, they tend to act on impulse. They take comfort in someone who can predict what is likely to happen, and can warn them of the right time to act. Certainty about what will happen in the future brings them confidence.

In contrast, the EIE is very cautious before acting. They live in the past or the future. They have a strong understanding of how and when things are likely to unfold. Creative Ni is a tool the EIE can use to see the moment when their emotional impact will be the most influential. They can foresee the direction that society is heading in, and can use this to their advantage when trying to appeal to the masses.

Fe Mobilizing (2D - SLE, Valued) vs. Fe Lead (EIE - 4D, Valued)

The SLE, like all Beta types, loves being in exciting, emotionally charged environments. They want to be able to express their emotions and viewpoints, both good and bad, without the fear of being judged or restricted by what is "appropriate". However, they are not able to create these environments themselves. Instead, they seek them out and try to participate in the emotional atmosphere, feeling activated by people who laugh at their jokes or join in on their antics.

EIEs, however, are skilled at creating emotionally charged environments. They are very in control of the emotional atmosphere, and can easily inspire people through their passionate expressions. They desire everyone to be on the same emotional "wavelength", and can create a lot of excitement among crowds and big groups. The SLE uses Fe to have a good time and win appreciation (to be loved), while the EIE's goal is to emotionally influence others in some way.

Te Ignoring (3D - SLE, Unvalued) vs. Te Role (EIE - 2D, Unvalued)

The EIE likes to show off their business qualities. They will want to be seen as a skilled, practical professional. Truthfully, however, they are not very good at these things. They try to be economic, but will often end up buying something expensive that throws the budget off (Stratiyevskaya). They enjoy being leaders but struggle with routine work. They are more interested in emotional impact than objective facts.

In contrast, the SLE is naturally skilled at business endeavors. They are extremely practical people who know how to make and save money. They can also easily pick out objective facts from reliable sources, but they will ignore them in favor of their own internal logical interpretation, or will selectively incorporate the ones that fit their logical system.

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Relations of Superego: LSI and EII

These two types come from opposing quadras and thus have completely opposite values and clashing ways of communicating. From a distance, there is some mutual admiration between the two of them. LSI respects the EII's commitment to moral values. EII respects the LSI's responsibility and dedication. But although both are rationals and share the same Ij temperament, they are likely to have many misunderstandings.

LSI, who is oriented toward the strong Fe of Beta NFs, expects open, frequent communication with clearly expressed sentiments. Beta Quadra values honest emotional expression, regardless of whether it is positive or negative. The reluctance of EIIs to state how they are feeling, to keep their emotions to themselves, arouses suspicion in the LSI. LSIs do not deal with uncertainty well (Ne-polr) and without clear communication, will start to wonder if the EII has something to hide. Such negative character assumptions are very painful to EII.

Delta Quadra gets to know new people in phases. This is in contrast to Beta, who immediately begins interacting with people at the level they should be at. In Delta, and for EIIs, there are various levels of intimacy with different information shared depending on how close one is to them. EII subconsciously expects this to be understood and respected and does not offer an explanation for their behavior. EII may be slow to respond or may be very evasive in their answers. This is EII's typical way of regulating distance in relations, and they treat people differently depending on their relation and closeness to them. This can be insulting to LSI, who believes everyone should be treated the same.

According to Gulenko, it is common for one Superego partner to feel that the other is intrusive and clingy. EIIs may feel that LSIs are too pushy and intruding. LSIs may try to provoke a reaction out of the EII to get an emotional reaction. This is because LSI, who is again oriented to the open and expressive Beta NFs, perceives EII as too closed-off and uncommunicative. Likewise, EII perceives LSI as too invasive. Both may perceive each other as selfish.

LSI, who is uncomfortable with uncertainty, deals with it by preparing for every possible worst case scenario. Not only do they do this for themselves, but they also expect others to adhere to the same protocol. LSI thinks in terms of groups and expects everyone in the group to follow the same rules. If a person is not cooperating, they will grow frustrated and may pressure them or reprimand them in front of the group. They poorly perceive individual differences and do not understand that what is necessary for one person may not be necessary for another. Instead, they apply the same rules to everyone regardless. This is frustrating to EII, who is not worried about future possibilities and finds this unnecessary. EIIs expect an individualized approach, which the LSI does not provide. The EII finds the LSI imposing and does not understand why LSI's own "personal rules" are also being applied to them. Unlike LSE, the LSI creates additional rules and protocols based off of their own personal judgment (Ti) and expects everyone to follow it. To EII, who is oriented to objective Te, it feels as if LSI is forcing not a rule or law, but rather, LSI's own personal opinion.

It is also typical for Superego partners to view each other as acting out of spite. For example, the EII does not see the necessity for the LSI's additional Ti restrictions and may not know exactly what it is the LSI wants from them, believing the LSI is doing it out of spite. Likewise, the LSI becomes frustrated with the EII and may think that the EII is deliberately ignoring their instructions to spite them. They may view the EII as irresponsible and unreliable, and this is perceived painfully by EII who aspires to be a responsible person. EII may also have a tendency to wander away in group activities and sharing. LSI, who desires group cohesion, perceives this as an insult.

LSI subconsciously expects other people to provide them with emotions. EII often does not do this, and may instead appear serious and stoic, which is frustrating to LSI, who does not know how someone is feeling unless they tell them or clearly express it. LSI wants to know what someone is feeling and desires to have that out in the open. EII does not do this and that creates uncertainty for LSI and is very uncomfortable for them.

LSIs may express controversial opinions in public, even if it creates conflict. This can make EII very uncomfortable. Unlike EIE, the EII is not comfortable with confrontation. LSI perceives this as cowardly and sees EII as too hesitant to leave their "comfort zone". In an attempt to help break them out of this, LSI may push EII to act when they are not comfortable doing so. Although this is appreciated by EIEs (Se activation), this kind of pressure makes the EII even more uncomfortable and withdrawn (Se-polr). LSIs grow impatient with the infantile EII who seems so fragile and timid to them. They are confused by the reluctance of the EII to get involved. In an attempt to increase the distance, the EII may start to avoid the LSI, and the LSI will not understand why.

Overall, there is continual misunderstanding and frustration between these two types, as both have opposite values and communicate in opposite ways. Though Superego types may look attractive from a distance, once they start interacting and become closer, the clashes become apparent.

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The EII-Ne Subtype

The EII-Ne subtype tends to come across differently than EII-Fi subtypes. Some EII-Ne types may confuse themselves with IEEs. Both of them can appear animated, scattered and absent-minded. Both of them are constantly searching for the unusual, new, and unique ideas. However, the EII-Ne has a clear IJ temperament and the IEE is EP temperament.

The EII-Ne may work inconsistently and in short bursts, like an irrational type. The difference, however, is that the EII-Ne doesn't want to work that way. As a true rational type, the EII-Ne innately desires to be consistent and thorough, but struggles with this due to the strong emphasis on Ne. The EII-Ne may constantly be opening up new possibilities before finishing previous ones, just like an IEE. However, unlike the IEE, this kind of behavior bothers the EII-Ne. The strong Ne may cause the EII-Ne to follow their interests and constantly explore new topics; however, they will want to go back and tie up any loose ends. They are going to feel driven to narrow the scope of possibilities to those they have the greatest interest in (Fi lead). In this way, the EII-Ne may feel there is a constant struggle between their Ne and their rational temperament. A truly irrational type does not feel this struggle.

Though Ne is emphasized in the EII-Ne, ultimately, it is Fi that still has the final say. The EII-Ne will explore new possibilities not for the sake of novelty itself (like an IEE), but rather, to serve their Fi values and interests. And though they may be more scattered and absent-minded than the typical EII, they are still rational types that strategize, plan, and desire to see things through to completion.

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Maleficent - ESI (ISFj)

Gamma Quadra: The Quadra who fears “tied hands” (Stratiyevskaya)

In Gamma Quadra, independence and the freedom to act are of absolute importance. They value hard work and want to achieve things by their own merit. Gamma types hate having to ask others for help. When Maleficent’s wings were stolen from her, it was a double blow to her Gamma values. Not only was she betrayed by someone she trusted, but she became dependent on some else (Diaval) and was no longer able to do the work of protecting her kingdom. According to Stratiyevskaya, one of the ways Gamma may fall into despair is “when they are unable to respond with a decisive and immediate action to an inflicted offense.” (the16types.info) The betrayal and loss of freedom changed Maleficent into a villain.

IJ type: “An IJ draws inner stability from a stable reality, especially as seen through his leading function. That makes him confident that things will probably remain as they are despite what he sees as minor disturbances; periods of clear upheaval are very disturbing and the individual is anxious that things will “settle down” one way or the other soon enough.” (sociotype.com) Maintaining order and protecting the land were of primary importance to Maleficent. She made sure traditions and laws were upheld and took comfort from stability.

Temperament: Phlegmatic - “Phlegmatic people are sociotypes who are calm both externally and internally. It is the most balanced of all temperaments. Introverted rationality makes them reserved and closed, not distracted by external irritants. This does not mean at all that the phlegmatic person is not able to flare up. It just takes a lot of effort to bring it to this state.“ (socionic.ru) In outward appearance, Maleficent appeared calm and in control. She was not distracted by what was happening outside of herself, nor did it phase her.

Lead function: Fi (4D, Valued)

The entire movie ‘Maleficent’ centers around Fi. Maleficent is betrayed and her bond with Stefan is broken, causing her to take revenge and act against his daughter Aurora. However, unexpectedly, she develops a new bond with Aurora, which ultimately ends up redeeming her. Maleficent’s Fi is in the lead position, and she filters her perspectives through it. Throughout the movie, her behavior is dictated not by logic, but rather, by her personal feelings toward someone. For example, Maleficent was hurt by Stefan, but instead of directly attacking him, which would have been the logical choice, she chooses to curse his daughter because she knows it will cause him more pain. Additionally, she curses Aurora in a way that has personal meaning to her and reflects how her own feelings were hurt by Stefan. She chooses to cast her into a deep sleep on her 16th birthday, and only allows her to be waken by “true love’s kiss” - exactly the age she herself was when Stefan told her he was giving her “true love’s kiss”. Though Maleficent is at first reluctant to let herself develop a bond with Aurora, she eventually gains Maleficent’s trust, and the distance between them shortens. To understand Maleficent, it is also helpful to remember that ESIs are negativist types. This means that they tend to have a pessimistic view of relationships and are not eager to establish new ones. In the ESI, Fi is used to identify things they don’t like, which they then move away from (Fi-). This can sometimes cause ESIs to be mistyped as logical types. In contrast, EIIs are positivist types. They have a more optimistic view of relations and use Fi to identify things they do like and move toward them (Fi+). This positivist pattern can be seen in Aurora, who is an EII. Aurora continually closes the distance between herself and Maleficent, which forges a new bond with her and ultimately wins her love. Overall, the betrayal of an Fi-bond turned Maleficent into a villain. The development of a new Fi-bond turned her into a hero.

Creative function: Se (3D, Valued)

In the beginning of the movie, we can see that Maleficent is frequently active and often flies around the Moorlands, patrolling them and seeing what is happening around her. We also see that she serves as a strong guardian and protector of the Moorlands. She does not go out looking for a fight and is not actively trying to gain dominance, but she does not back down from using physical force and attacking invaders when needed. She is immersed in the present moment and is quick to act in the midst of her circumstances.

Role function: Ti (2D, Unvalued)

ESIs try to be logical and objective when examining situations (the16types.info), however, they are not easily able to do this. The role function and lead function are opposite to each other and cannot both be “on” at the same time, which is why even when Maleficent tried to be objective, everything she did was ultimately colored by her feelings. Her analysis of situations was ultimately driven by her lead Fi.

Vulnerable Function: Ne (1D, Unvalued)

Maleficent has difficulty believing in the potential for people to change. Once Stefan betrays her, she no longer sees any good in him and he becomes her permanent enemy. Her inability to consider other perspectives also makes it difficult for her to trust Aurora, and at first, she can see her no differently than she sees Stefan. Only after consistently seeing good in Aurora does she start to trust her. From this we can see that her view of people is based on what they have actually demonstrated to her and on what she has witnessed in reality, and she does not speculate about what they could potentially be (Se > Ne). She also struggles to believe in possibilities that she has not seen in the real world. For example, she rejects the possibility of true love, because it is not something that she has ever actually experienced.

Suggestive Function: Te (1D, Valued)

Without the ability to fly, Maleficent lacks knowledge about what is happening in the world around her, and this makes her insecure. To make up for this need, she turns Diaval into a bird and uses him to gather information. Once she has gathered enough objective facts, she uses her lead Fi function to decide what to do. For example, when she finds out that King Stefan has had a daughter, she makes a judgment based on her personal feelings about what to do about it, and thus decides to take revenge.

Mobilizing Function: Ni (2D, Valued)

Maleficent poorly foresees the future consequences of her actions. Because she generally acts quickly based on her emotions (Fi-Se), she is not able to predict how her actions are likely to unfold. This is because in response to information received through Fi, ESIs are quick to take action. Maleficent is so driven by her feelings of hatred toward Stefan that she curses Aurora without stopping to think of the consequences (and later regrets this). According to Gulenko, when an ESI “has decided to take revenge, he can find and deal a blow to the weakest spot of his opponent” (the16types.info). This is exactly what we see with Maleficent. She understands that Stefan’s weakness is his newborn daughter (Fi-lead) and takes action against her in order to get back at him (Se creative). However, due to weak Ni she does not stop and reflect on what could potentially happen as a result of this action. She does not think about the future - she prefers to act immediately.

Ignoring Function: Fe (2D, Unvalued)

Maleficent does not pay much attention to the emotional atmosphere around her. Though she is clearly aware of it, she ignores it in favor of her own personal feelings. For example, when she arrives to see Aurora in Stefan’s palace, she knows that she is interrupting the overall emotional atmosphere and ignores it on purpose. In Mistress of Evil, she ignores the emotional atmosphere when eating dinner with Philip’s family and does not make any effort to entertain them because she has decided that she does not like them (Fi). Her convictions do not allow her to hold back on speaking unpleasant truths just for the sake of emotional harmony, and she does not shy away from conflict or confrontation (Fi-Se).

Demonstrative Function: Si (4D, Unvalued)

Maleficent is in tune with physical realities and can competently take care of them. When Aurora is a baby, she is able to anticipate her physical needs and takes care of her. She understands when she is hungry and feeds her, protects her, and serves as her caregiver. She is also able to create beauty and harmony in her environment, as can be seen in the Moorlands. However, though she is skilled in doing this, it is not her primary focus.

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